[W126 Coupe] Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23
Dick Spellman
spell.yy at verizon.net
Sun Jun 26 17:47:17 EDT 2005
Calvin:
1. Check your resting voltage on the battery. If it's below 12.6 with engine off or below 13.7 with engine on it could be your alternator is on the way out.
2. Jumper the fuel pump relay and see if you get the car to sit at idle in your driveway for more than 5 minutes without stalling.
3. Pull the distributor cap and inspect it for bad tower wire or failed carbon pick-up.
But, right away I suspect your alternator. So do not drive the car out of your driveway without checking things first or a tow-truck will be your next likely call.
Dick
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From: Calvin Young
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Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:59 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23
Well guys I had the absolute weird problem today on my 83 380 SEC. Car's rpms drop to zero and car stalls. Car won't start, just clicks and nothing. Wait 10 minutes, car restarts and drives fine. five miles down the road, same result. RPM gage is jumping around 2000 rpm but engine is doing that. Car radio goes off and on. Using safety flashers when rpms are dropping causes car to die faster. I have never seen anyting like this. Meanwhile, I still have the hard start problem after car is warmed up. Any suggestions.
To Mike and Dick, thanks a bunch on the pressure brake bleeder info. Works like a charm on the 86. I could use some help on getting the bearing races out of the rotors. Is there a special tool for this? Can't get either race out using a screwdriver and hammer. First time to change an MB, never an issue with other makes.
Cal
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1. Re: air conditioner Refrigerant question (Iain Gunn)
2. Re: need bolts for 25mm spacer (Sam Sisic)
3. re: 89 SEC For Sale (Mike Rasmussen)
4. RE: air conditioner Refrigerant question (Shayegan, Richard)
5. Re: air conditioner Refrigerant question (Dan Landiss)
6. Re: air conditioner Refrigerant question (Iain Gunn)
7. Re: air conditioner Refriger ant question (jralex at ix.netcom.com)
8. Re: engine will not rev past 5,000 rpm (Mister McGoo)
9. White gauge face (David Oh)
10. Re: HIGH IDLE (Mister McGoo)
11. Re: HIGH IDLE (Jim)
12. A/C conversion (Hein)
13. RE: air conditioner Refrigerant question (Mike R.)
14. RE: re: 89 SEC For Sale (Mike R.)
15. Re: A/C conversion (Dick Spellman)
16. Re: air conditioner Refrigerant question (Dick Spellman)
17. Re: air conditioner Refrigerant question (Dan Landiss)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:36:27 -0400
From: "Iain Gunn"
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] air conditioner Refrigerant question
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists"
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Duracool, works great, 3 years now with no problem. Charged and topped up 8 ca rs last year and about 7 so far this year.
Larger molecules, lower head pressures, reasonably priced, no licences required, Use less. Direct top up for r134, r12 systems should be evacuated, before charged with Duracool. I get great technical support, and get to talk to real live technicians.
EDUCATE yourself before using, you DO NOT use the same amount as R134, etc. You CAN'T rely on the sight glass, If you fill until all the bubbles are gone, you are overfilled. Need any other help, let me know. Iain
http://www.duracool.com./
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From: PONDERSOA at aol.com
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com ; 126 at mbz.org ; Mercedes at striplin.net
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:29 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] air conditioner Refrigerant question
HI
all I have a question I was talking to a member maybe a year and a half ago regarding propane conversions of automotive air conditioners this member was quite well versed in the conversion technique and was kind enough to send a link
so if it was you please get back at me
mike Collins
phila pa
1985 500 sec
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:41:44 -0500
From: "Sam Sisic"
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Re: need bolts for 25mm spacer
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Ned,
No I do not... I checked with a source I got my spacers from,
Performance Products, and the y no longer deal with H&R as it's been
taking too long to get the spacers from them for Mercedes.
Although the ones I got were 15mm hub-centric spacers. These will work
with simply longer bolts, i.e. 55mm shaft length. When you get into
anything over a 20mm spacer, one should use the type where the spacer
bolts to the hub first and then the standard wheel bolts are used to
bolt the wheel to the spacer.
Someone from the group also mentioned a spacer manufacturer from
Australia that makes excellent quality spacers. I can't seem to find the
link for that.
Here is an H&R link...
http://www.hrsprings.com/site/index.html
Sam
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Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:04:57 +0100
From: Edmund Conran
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] need bolts for 25mm spacer
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do you know the H&R part no. for the sec?
All the best,
Ned
On 23 Jun 2005, at 21:10, Sam Sisic wrote:
> "The safety concern"??
> Especially for someone who likes to run 135MPH+... HA!
> I would trust Talbir on this one Franco... Invest in a proper spacer
> like the H&R's Talbir mentioned. It's very cheap insurance.
>
> Sam
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:37:07 +0000
> From: "Sharan Bains"
> Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] need bolts for 25mm spacer
> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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> The safety concern would be the shaft length of the bolt - if the
> shaft
> lengt h is 70mm, and only 20mm of this is being tightened into the hub,
> then
> you have 50mm f shaft protruding.
>
> The longer the shaft, the greater the risk of it breaking under
> stress.
>
>
> talbir
>
>
>> From: "Franco"
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>> Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] need bolts for 25mm spacer
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:44:02 -0700
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>> Talbir,
>>
>> no these spacers do not bolt onto the hub
>> and my wheels are aftermarket
>> so what safety concern do you see?
>>
>>
>> ciao,
>> Franco
>> 1987 560SEC
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:48:12 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: Mike Rasmussen
Subject: [W126 Coup e] re: 89 SEC For Sale
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Hey everyone!
I have an '89 560SEC which is probably in 8 outta 10 condition. It has 167
000 miles. It has a reasonably newish transmission ($4200)...newish timing
chain, valve seals, etc etc etc.
I paid $17,500 (Canadian) 2 1/2 years ago, and spent upwards of $10,000
(Canadian).
It hasn't been driven in over 9 months.
Now it HAS to go....$5000 (CAD) or $4100(US)....price is FIRM!
drop me a note and I'll send you a bunch of pics.
Mike Rasmussen
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:43:57 -0400
From: "Shaye gan, Richard"
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] air conditioner Refrigerant question
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists"
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That's what's in my system. Works well, but when the temperature starts to get into the mid 90's and higher, I do find my cooling at idle to not be optimal (but still, it's cool, just not cold). Just moving a tiny bit alleviates this.
Richard
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From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com on behalf of Iain Gunn
Sent: Fri 6/24/2005 5:36 PM
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] air conditioner Refrigerant question
Duracool, works great, 3 years now with no problem. Charged and topped up 8 cars last year and about 7 so far this year.
Larger molecules, lower head pressures, reasonably priced , no licences required, Use less. Direct top up for r134, r12 systems should be evacuated, before charged with Duracool. I get great technical support, and get to talk to real live technicians.
EDUCATE yourself before using, you DO NOT use the same amount as R134, etc. You CAN'T rely on the sight glass, If you fill until all the bubbles are gone, you are overfilled. Need any other help, let me know. Iain
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.duracool.com." claiming to be http://www.duracool.com./
----- Original Message -----
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To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com ; 126 at mbz.org ; Mercedes at striplin.net
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:29 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] air conditioner Refrigerant question
HI
all I have a question I was talking to a member maybe a year and a half ago regarding propane conversions of automotive air conditioners this member was quite well versed in the conversion technique and was kind enough to send a link
so if it was you please get back at me
mike Collins
phila pa
1985 500 sec
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:46:42 -0500
From: Dan Landiss
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] air conditioner Refrigerant question
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Iain Gunn wrote:
> *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
> "www.duracool.com." claiming to be* http://www.duracool.com./
Gives one a lot of confidence in MailScanner, doesn't it?
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Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:18:44 -0400
From: "Iain Gunn"
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] air conditioner Refrigerant question
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I've never seen this before, is it new?? the link is good, not a fraud.
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MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.duracool.com." claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.duracool.com." claiming to be http://www.duracool.com./
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Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:01:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 05:43:06 +0000
From: "Mister McGoo"
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] engine will not rev past 5, 000 rpm
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:00:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Oh
Subject: [W126 Coupe] White gauge face
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I just got done installing white gauge face for my 89 560sec but now my oil pressure gauge doesn't work. I installed the needle right where it was but now when I turn the motor on, it is pegged beyond level 3 and stays there. What did I do wrong?
David
89 560SEC AMG
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 06:07:09 +0000
From: "Mister McGoo"
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] HIGH IDLE
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:33:37 +1000
From: "Jim"
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] HIGH IDLE
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Bellamy
With the real ICM now removed I can still have 650 at idle (somestimes) and 150 0 when I unplug the 2 pin from the air slide valve. Yes, temporary replacement of all unit's
will narrow it down but before that I need to find and check the throttle switch. Here again its position and type is different on the 500 euro.
James
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Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] HIGH IDLE
Jim;
In my cars the cruise module is bolted up beside/under the steering column. (It is aluminum and longer than the idle speed) It is screwed to a bracket with 2 phillip screws and in this case it is easier to remove the bracket (one bolt) than try to get the screws. The idle speed box has two mounting screws and I imagine that your situation is the same.
If you have no way to actually test anything, and an intermittent problem is difficult even if you have test equipment, sometimes substitution with a known good component is the easiest way. Of cour se, in this case you can use either component. Your valve at the air intake is easier to install, plus I believe the valve (part number) is more common. (000 141 12 25 in my case)
If you are lucky and can borrow a known good valve, switch with yours, and if the sudden high idle problem still occurs, you know the culprit is the ICM.
Snow? That's nice. I'm very happy for you.
-Bellamy
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>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] HIGH IDLE
>Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:31:38 +1000
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>Bellamy
>Thanks for your help. Found that Idle Control Module. It is behind the dash attached close to the brake pedal box on my 84 500 euro . Thats just below the steering wheel Its a RHD. So that would read passengers side on USA cars
> It was the air slide valve and connec tor?( near the distributor ,with 2 large rubber air connectors at back and 2 pin connector at front) that I tapped with the screwdriver.
> Yes, idle up to 1500 without warning and back to 650 when it feels like it. Is what I have
>Will have to move the seat right back and somehow get my head into a position where I can see how the ICM is mounted. hope
>it will just unclip and pull off. Tomorrow, As its 8.30 PM here in South East Australia, with heavy Snow falling.
> James
>Down Under
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:18:12 -0230
From: "Hein"
Subject: [W126 Coupe] A/C conversion
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Hi
I know this has been done to death.....
Does anyone have a nice explanation to link me to or to forward me of how to convert to R134, including parts needed.
I had it all in chronological order on my old computer.....which is now a counterweight for the plow on my tractor.
Hein
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 06:20:22 -0700
From: "Mike R."
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] air conditioner Refrigerant question
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I have R12 in the 560SEC and R134 in the 560SEL. Both exhibit this problem -
not much cooling when stopped but 5 mph and it blows cold.
Later,
Mike R.
Las Vegas
HOT town (pun intended)
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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 3:44 PM
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That's what's in my system. Works well, but when the temperature starts to
get into the mid 90's and higher, I do find my cooling at idle to not be
optimal (but still, it's cool, just not cold). Just moving a tiny bit
alleviates this.
Richard
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From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com on beha lf of Iain Gunn
Sent: Fri 6/24/2005 5:36 PM
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] air conditioner Refrigerant question
Duracool, works great, 3 years now with no problem. Charged and topped up 8
cars last year and about 7 so far this year.
Larger molecules, lower head pressures, reasonably priced, no licences
required, Use less. Direct top up for r134, r12 systems should be evacuated,
before charged with Duracool. I get great technical support, and get to talk
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