[W126 Coupe] RE: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16

Sat Aug 13 17:54:27 EDT 2005

Jeeze, I even hate to mention Freeze12.  My wife and I just came back from an MBCA Peach Tree Section meeting in Atlanta (301 miles round trip)driving our '82 380SEC is an unmodified original type charged with Freeze12.  Its an extremely hot day and it blew nice and cold....my sister-in-law in the back seat commented on it.  So there's another refrigerant for you to think about.

Bruce Gorsak,
1964 190D, '72 280SE 4.5, '73 450SL, '75 300D,
 '80 300TD, '82 500SE, '82 380SEC, '86 560SEL

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>   1. RE: Re: Refrigerant info (Rupert Schmitt)
>   2. Re: Switch to R134 (Axel Wulff)
>   3. RE: Indicators (Axel Wulff)
>   4. Re: Indicators (Patrick McMurray)
>   5. Re: Indicators (Axel Wulff)
>   6. Re: Brake upgrades (Dan Landiss)
>   7. Re: OVER HEAT QUESTION (Nathan Goodlet)
>   8. Re: OVER HEAT QUESTION (PONDERSOA at aol.com)
>   9. Re: Re: Refrigerant info (Iain Gunn)
>  10. Re: OVER HEAT QUESTION (Dick Spellman)
>  11. Aluminum bonding (Mike R.)
>  12. Wheels and springs (Dave Hamilton)
>  13. Re: Re: Refrigerant info (Iain Gunn)
>  14. Re: OVER HEAT QUESTION (Iain Gunn)
>  15. Re: OVER HEAT QUESTION (PONDERSOA at aol.com)
>  16. RE: Re: Refrigerant info (Rupert Schmitt)
>  17. Re: OVER HEAT QUESTION (Paul Samarin)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:07:14 -0400
>From: "Rupert Schmitt" <rschmit2 at earthlink.net>
>Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Re: Refrigerant info
>To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>Ian
>
>How much of which duracool product do I need for the 560SEC?
>What about the DuraDry, the Seal-Quick and/or the Systemseal, did you
>ever need that and when/why?
>
>Could you go into a little detail, I need to do this, I guess.
>
>MFG, Rupert, 86 560SEC
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
>[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Iain Gunn
>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:28 AM
>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: Refrigerant info
>
>
>Why does everyone keep messing with r134 and r12? Got to the Duracool
>site, 
>educate yourself, get the Duracool kit, follow the instructions, and
>install 
>yourself. Its simple. You won't die, blow yourself up, pollute the 
>environment, and you will have a nice cool system. I have now, over the
>last 
>4 years, filled over 10 vehicles, including my own and have had no
>problems. 
>I am not affiliated with Duracool in any way, just happen to think it is
>the 
>best solution out there, that's why almost three quarters of the world
>uses 
>this type of refrigerant.
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Gary Green" <Gary at EverGreen-Systems.COM>
>To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:08 AM
>Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Re: Refrigerant info
>
>
>>I see those "auctions" all the time.  My question is, are they legit? 
>>(in  the sense that an auction winner actually receives what they paid 
>>for).  I  need a couple of cans for my 93 Suburban but am hesitant to 
>>"bid".
>>
>> Anyone have any thoughts?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com 
>> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
>> On Behalf Of airedale at sbcglobal.net
>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:04 AM
>> To: figstir at yahoo.com; Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: Refrigerant info
>>
>> R-12 seems to sell on eBay for $15. and up per can.
>> John
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "a figment of the imagination" <figstir at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Richard Hogarth" <R_Hogarth at Foundrycove.com>; "'Mercedes Coupes
>> Mailing
>> Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 3:11 AM
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Re: Refrigerant info
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Richard et al.:
>>>
>>> Now that I have read through all your links and become throughly 
>>> versed in physical chemistry, HVAC, and am ready sit for examinations
>
>>> for a mechanical engineering degree and HVAC license, I'm thoroughly 
>>> con-fuzed... :(
>>>
>>> I'm not sure whether to switch to R134a or stay with R12.
>>>
>>> I don't know who's side is truly correct, because I've read arguments
>
>>> on both sides that are plausible and some as well a bit specious, 
>>> perhaps?
>>>
>>> Sadly though, all of this translates as me still roasting in my black
>
>>> SEC with tinted windows.  That means damp and sticky work 
>>> clothes...in near 100+ F temps....and the embarrassment of wearing a 
>>> "wet one" after getting out of a simply badd ass look'n SEC 
>>> machine...Oh, "the horror....the horror", as Marlon Brando (Kurtz) 
>>> plainly put it.
>>>
>>> So, even though several of you have successfully converted to R134a, 
>>> either the swiss-cheesed savants are totally right, totally wrong, 
>>> somewhere in between, or totally passing gas---it's simply more hot 
>>> air, that's fryin my pan, burning my bacon and roasting my nuts.
>>>
>>> shivers.  (i wish)  it seems better to cook with spam for the next 
>>> two months, with the hopes of shelling out 3 cans X $50-75/can of R12
>
>>> = $150 to $225 to keep me cool and in the shade.  (Thank gawd, mom 
>>> has a HVAC license and can get R12....geez louise???)
>>>
>>> Then, can we unanimously conclude it's just better to stick with R12?
>>>
>>> Or, really, where's the beef with the R134a?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Someone please tell me I'm not going crazy from the heat....
>>>
>>> What's the final verdict for SEC owners who plan to keep their cars 
>>> for the long haul without burnin up the A/C oil and compressor, 
>>> clogging the system, etc...galore...and gored...?
>>>
>>>
>>> Help!
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank ya, man!
>>>
>>>
>>> -figment of great misfortune in too much dmn heat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:13:11 -0400
>From: "Axel Wulff" <axelwulff at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Switch to R134
>To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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>If your AC system does not leak - you won't have to re-fill all the time.
>
>Properly maintained, the freon load can last for 10 years, or more.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>Axel J. Wulff
>
>
>
>
>>From: FOOTFXR52 at aol.com
>>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>>To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
>>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Switch to R134
>>Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:40:26 EDT
>>
>>In a message dated 8/12/2005 11:06:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>airedale at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>So you're going to spend $300, so you can save about $80 on refrigerant. 
>>I'm
>>an older fellow and learned my math before what was called "New Math" came
>>along. But, I fully expect that even with "New Math" you will find changing
>>to 134 will cost an extra $220.
>>AH, BUT THIS SOUND LOGIC ASSUMES THIS TO BE A ONE TIME EVENT AND WE ALL 
>>KNOW
>>THIS IS NOT LIKLY TO BE THE CASE.
>>
>>ROBIN
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:28:19 -0400
>From: "Axel Wulff" <axelwulff at hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Indicators
>To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
>Message-ID: <BAY104-F71E3A803C258055939F4EB1BF0 at phx.gbl>
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>Where are you located?
>
>The side indicator lamps are required in certain jurisdictions (Scandinavia 
>and the UK comes to mind...), but we don't have them in the US.
>
>The US Department Of Transportations (DOT) rules require the front 
>indicators to be visible from the side, as well as the front. Hence the 
>difference between US corners and Euro corners.
>
>
>Regards,
>Axel J. Wulff
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Patrick McMurray" <patrick.mcmurray at ntlworld.com>
>>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>>To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>>Subject: [W126 Coupe] Indicators
>>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:40:26 +0100
>>
>>I am embarrassed to ask this question but how do you remove the side 
>>indicators. The small ones on the side of the wing. I have tried but cannot 
>>shift them.
>>
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>
>>Patrick
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:43:49 +0100
>From: "Patrick McMurray" <patrick.mcmurray at ntlworld.com>
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Indicators
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>Axel
>
>Located in the UK.
>
>
>Regards
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Axel Wulff" <axelwulff at hotmail.com>
>To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:28 PM
>Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Indicators
>
>
>> Where are you located?
>>
>> The side indicator lamps are required in certain jurisdictions 
>> (Scandinavia and the UK comes to mind...), but we don't have them in the 
>> US.
>>
>> The US Department Of Transportations (DOT) rules require the front 
>> indicators to be visible from the side, as well as the front. Hence the 
>> difference between US corners and Euro corners.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Axel J. Wulff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Patrick McMurray" <patrick.mcmurray at ntlworld.com>
>>>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>>>To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>>>Subject: [W126 Coupe] Indicators
>>>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:40:26 +0100
>>>
>>>I am embarrassed to ask this question but how do you remove the side 
>>>indicators. The small ones on the side of the wing. I have tried but 
>>>cannot shift them.
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>Patrick
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:45:09 -0400
>From: "Axel Wulff" <axelwulff at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Indicators
>To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
>Message-ID: <BAY104-F1B6413A38AA8D5616890FB1BF0 at phx.gbl>
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>Side indicator lamps AND the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car....
>
>Sheesh.....  :-)
>
>
>
>Regards,
>Axel J. Wulff
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Patrick McMurray" <patrick.mcmurray at ntlworld.com>
>>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Indicators
>>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:43:49 +0100
>>
>>Axel
>>
>>Located in the UK.
>>
>>
>>Regards
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Wulff" <axelwulff at hotmail.com>
>>To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:28 PM
>>Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Indicators
>>
>>
>>>Where are you located?
>>>
>>>The side indicator lamps are required in certain jurisdictions 
>>>(Scandinavia and the UK comes to mind...), but we don't have them in the 
>>>US.
>>>
>>>The US Department Of Transportations (DOT) rules require the front 
>>>indicators to be visible from the side, as well as the front. Hence the 
>>>difference between US corners and Euro corners.
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Axel J. Wulff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Patrick McMurray" <patrick.mcmurray at ntlworld.com>
>>>>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>>>>To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>>>>Subject: [W126 Coupe] Indicators
>>>>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:40:26 +0100
>>>>
>>>>I am embarrassed to ask this question but how do you remove the side 
>>>>indicators. The small ones on the side of the wing. I have tried but 
>>>>cannot shift them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Patrick
>>>>The MB Coupes Website!
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>>>>Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
>>>
>>>
>>>The MB Coupes Website!
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:06:37 -0500
>From: Dan Landiss <dan at landiss.com>
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Brake upgrades
>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>Daryl Armstrong wrote:
>
>>I would guess no one wants me
>>pushing product, and it's not my intention to do so.
>>  
>>
>We don't get as nutso against this as some other lists -- well, maybe 1 
>or 2 of us do. In general we LIKE to hear more about ways to upgrade, 
>maintain and repair our cars. Go for it, with some semblance of 
>moderation, and we'll watch your back for you.
>
> 
>--
>Never argue with a dragon, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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>Message: 7
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:15:20 -0500
>From: "Nathan Goodlet" <nathang at texoma.net>
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] OVER HEAT QUESTION
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>If the radiator is 18-20 years old, it needs replacing, 
>Don't wonder about it. Don't flush it. Replace it
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:15:25 EDT
>From: PONDERSOA at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] OVER HEAT QUESTION
>To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
>Message-ID: <8c.2cea945f.302f5a7d at aol.com>
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>alex 
> i am shocked ,,,shocked to hear ( some body else did the same as  me!!!!)
>lol 
>i was trying to figgure out it i needed the flush  or clutch...
>oh well 
> 
>thanks 
>mike collins  
>1985
>500 sec 
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>Message: 9
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:49:01 -0400
>From: "Iain Gunn" <igunn at bmts.com>
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: Refrigerant info
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>I hope this helps. It is not complicated, it just looks that way.
>As I said, Go to the Duracool site and educate yourself 
>http://www.duracool.com/ If you have never worked on a A/C system, get 
>someone who has to assist. The biggest mistake you can make is to connect to 
>the high side, the next is to overfill.
>You cannot direct fill or top up on a r12 system. You Can on a r134 system. 
>In an R12 system, you need to have the system evacuated ( go to an garage 
>that can empty your system, tell then you are having the engine pulled or 
>something and you need the system empty, and have a vacuum pulled on it to 
>see if there are any leaks.) Do not tell them you are going to do your own 
>work and are using an alternative refrigerant or be prepared for the biggest 
>line of doublespeak you have ever heard. If your system is Ok you fill with 
>the 12a. Go here for instruction sheet 
>http://www.deepfreezeinc.ca/pdf/complete.pdf
>
>
>DC0098
>Brass conversion fitting (Capped)
>converts high side and low side R12 ports
>to R134a quick release fitting. (Most vehicles).
>Package contains one #DC0095 and one #DC009
>
>
>Universal Recharge Kit
>Includes:
>Charging hose
>Adapter fittings
>2 Cans - 6oz Refrigerant
>    You will require these parts to cover the old r12 valves and the 
>recharge kit should have enough refrigerant to fill your system. Purchase 1 
>extra can to be on the safe side. Basically if your system is OK, you do not 
>need to add oil, as there should be enough oil left in the system. What I do 
>is fill the system as per the instructions. DO NOT OVERFILL, Ignore the old 
>saying, "clear the bubbles in the sight glass" (If you do that you will have 
>far too much coolant in the system).You use LESS duracool than r12 or r134. 
>I put only enough in the system to get the compressor to start and then 
>cycle it on and off  3-4 times. I then let the system idle. If it starts to 
>cycle of and on, I add small amounts only until the cycling stops. Believe 
>it or not this is the safest way to fill. 
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>Message: 10
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:48:25 -0400
>From: "Dick Spellman" <spell.yy at verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] OVER HEAT QUESTION
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>Mike:
>
>You did not indicate the health of the cooling system prior to the gauge work.  Was it running at the right operating temperature with and without AC compressor engaged prior to the needle thing???
>
>Either way the IR meter will tell you the actual temp at the tstat and can also be used to measure the effectiveness of the radiator by zone if you aim carefully.  So, it will pick up a bad area in the radiator if one exists.
>
>Dick
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>  Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:15 AM
>  Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] OVER HEAT QUESTION
>
>
>  alex 
>   i am shocked ,,,shocked to hear ( some body else did the same as me!!!!)
>  lol 
>  i was trying to figgure out it i needed the flush or clutch...
>  oh well 
>
>  thanks 
>  mike collins  
>  1985
>  500 sec 
>
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:50:45 -0700
>From: "Mike R." <mramay at att.biz>
>Subject: [W126 Coupe] Aluminum bonding
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>My wheel spacers are just loose enough on the hub that I get some vibration
>in the car from the wheel not centering. The use of a little .010" thick
>aluminum makes it all well but...the shim material needs to be attached to
>the spacer. JB Weld does not attach it particularly well.
>
> 
>
>Any suggestions on attaching aluminum shim material to an aluminum spacer
>without welding it? Any glues that would work?
>
> 
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike R.
>
>(702) 494-8056
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>Message: 12
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:54:39 +0100
>From: "Dave Hamilton" <dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk>
>Subject: [W126 Coupe] Wheels and springs
>To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>Hi,
>
>I have a 500 SEC which was fitted with 17" Borbet alloys by a previous 
>owner. The wheels are nice, though the fronts seem to stick out a bit to 
>much, but the car seems to sit very high on them. Would fitting lowering 
>springs cure this and if so how much would I need to lower the suspension, 
>bearing in mind that I may go to 18" AMG (style) alloys in the future.
>
>Cheers
>
>Dave (UK) 
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 13
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:55:16 -0400
>From: "Iain Gunn" <igunn at bmts.com>
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: Refrigerant info
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <002901c5a017$04808270$6501a8c0 at Thguns>
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>    reply-type=original
>
>DuraDry is for a system that is empty and has some moisture in it, 
>Seal-Quick and/or the Systemseal are to seal small leaks. I have only used 
>to drying agent, on a couple of units.
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Rupert Schmitt" <rschmit2 at earthlink.net>
>To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:07 AM
>Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Re: Refrigerant info
>
>
>> Ian
>>
>> How much of which duracool product do I need for the 560SEC?
>> What about the DuraDry, the Seal-Quick and/or the Systemseal, did you
>> ever need that and when/why?
>> 
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 14
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:56:04 -0400
>From: "Iain Gunn" <igunn at bmts.com>
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] OVER HEAT QUESTION
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <003a01c5a017$20c6f950$6501a8c0 at Thguns>
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>
>Ditto
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Nathan Goodlet" <nathang at texoma.net>
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] OVER HEAT QUESTION
>
>
>> If the radiator is 18-20 years old, it needs replacing, 
>> Don't wonder about it. Don't flush it. Replace it
>> 
>> The MB Coupes Website!
>> W126 SEC Mailing List
>> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
>> 
>>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 15
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:05:35 EDT
>From: PONDERSOA at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] OVER HEAT QUESTION
>To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
>Message-ID: <be.2ed03a78.302f663f at aol.com>
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>
>when i got the car it was winter i did the ac work and everything else on  
>the car and by spring replaced the condenser and compressor added r 12 and  now 
>i notice the temp gauge rising how ever it also did the gauge   face 
>replacement ...
>mike collins 
>1985 500 
>sec
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>Message: 16
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:24:53 -0400
>From: "Rupert Schmitt" <rschmit2 at earthlink.net>
>Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Re: Refrigerant info
>To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <000001c5a01b$27b212f0$6501a8c0 at Rupilap>
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>Thank you very much Ian, I'll try soon.
>
>MFG, Rupert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
>[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Iain Gunn
>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:49 AM
>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: Refrigerant info
>
>
>I hope this helps. It is not complicated, it just looks that way. As I
>said, Go to the Duracool site and educate yourself 
>http://www.duracool.com/ If you have never worked on a A/C system, get 
>someone who has to assist. The biggest mistake you can make is to
>connect to 
>the high side, the next is to overfill.
>You cannot direct fill or top up on a r12 system. You Can on a r134
>system. 
>In an R12 system, you need to have the system evacuated ( go to an
>garage 
>that can empty your system, tell then you are having the engine pulled
>or 
>something and you need the system empty, and have a vacuum pulled on it
>to 
>see if there are any leaks.) Do not tell them you are going to do your
>own 
>work and are using an alternative refrigerant or be prepared for the
>biggest 
>line of doublespeak you have ever heard. If your system is Ok you fill
>with 
>the 12a. Go here for instruction sheet 
>http://www.deepfreezeinc.ca/pdf/complete.pdf
>
>
>DC0098
>Brass conversion fitting (Capped)
>converts high side and low side R12 ports
>to R134a quick release fitting. (Most vehicles).
>Package contains one #DC0095 and one #DC009
>
>
>Universal Recharge Kit
>Includes:
>Charging hose
>Adapter fittings
>2 Cans - 6oz Refrigerant
>    You will require these parts to cover the old r12 valves and the 
>recharge kit should have enough refrigerant to fill your system.
>Purchase 1 
>extra can to be on the safe side. Basically if your system is OK, you do
>not 
>need to add oil, as there should be enough oil left in the system. What
>I do 
>is fill the system as per the instructions. DO NOT OVERFILL, Ignore the
>old 
>saying, "clear the bubbles in the sight glass" (If you do that you will
>have 
>far too much coolant in the system).You use LESS duracool than r12 or
>r134. 
>I put only enough in the system to get the compressor to start and then 
>cycle it on and off  3-4 times. I then let the system idle. If it starts
>to 
>cycle of and on, I add small amounts only until the cycling stops.
>Believe 
>it or not this is the safest way to fill. 
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 17
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:36:35 -0700
>From: Paul Samarin <pauls at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] OVER HEAT QUESTION
>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <07F6C2AC-0C10-11DA-AD39-000393DBD57E at sbcglobal.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
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>I paid to repair mine.  Then I replaced it (~1 yr later.)  I recommend 
>you take Nathan's advice.
>
>Paul
>'86 560 SEC
>
>On Aug 13, 2005, at 7:15 AM, Nathan Goodlet wrote:
>
>> If the radiator is 18-20 years old, it needs replacing, Don't wonder 
>> about it. Don't flush it. Replace it
>>
>> The MB Coupes Website!
>> W126 SEC Mailing List
>> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
>>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>End of MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16
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