At 04:48 PM 12/9/2003 -0500, LNphoto wrote: >4 times brighter, 4 times heavier, 4 times more expensive. > >Les My f4.5 Grandagons are in #0 shutters and take 67mm filters. They are the smallest lightest lenses I own. My other lenses, 120, 180, 270, etc, are in #1 shutters and all are much larger and heavier. I bought my Grandagons used so the tab was reasonable. Jim