I've found the Bergger to be a tad "relatively" slower the Ilford films. I rate the Ilford films about 1/3 to 1/2 stop slow; the Bergger, 1/2 stop slow -- that is, around 125-ish on the meter. It does not seem to pick up excessive contrast shot this way. Don Feinberg donf@cybernex.net Vocatus atque non vocatus, deus aderit...