From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 4 14:46:01 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:46:01 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Happy New Year! Message-ID: Dear All, Happy New Year to all KO peops. Hope you had a good holiday and that you have some photos to share on the Forum. The list has been rather quiet - the Forum is under constant review and has had just enough traffic to keep it alive! I have carried my faithful old Rapid around a few times over the last month but a 'flu bug has conspired to keep me at home. Anyway, looking forward to productive 2003. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 4 15:21:01 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 10:21:01 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: 135mm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Robert Monaghan wrote: > In general, the switch to digital is driving down med fmt prices, and > many dealers are selling off slow moving stock as well, so prices are > very "favorable" if you are a buyer now... I've notice the same thing with all film formats. Someday there won't be much available to shoot in 120, but I'm not going to worry about that just yet but rather enjoy while I can... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 4 18:04:15 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Thomas Bogdan) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 19:04:15 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Finder contrast enhancement Message-ID: <18Usee-09CrWyC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> Hello Clive, and everyone else here! HNN to all ! There is indeed something to contribute to the list from my side. In a previous posting I told you that I have added a piece of XP2 to the finder window - worked well in bright light, but was too dim in low light situations. My solution now was an unexposed piece of EFKE 25 film. It has a very slight pinkish colour when developed, but is otherwise absolutely clear. The colour is just enough to make the rangefinder spot more visible! The unexposed film of course was a bit of learning: dont automaticly transport the film to cock the shutter after changing the magazine ... Well I still have to get used to some things ;-) Best, Tmas -- From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 4 20:42:30 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:42:30 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Finder contrast enhancement In-Reply-To: <18Usee-09CrWyC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030104154149.01ec2900@pop.mindspring.com> At 01:04 PM 1/4/2003, you wrote: >Hello Clive, > >and everyone else here! >HNN to all ! > >There is indeed something to contribute to the list from my side. >In a previous posting I told you that I have added a piece of XP2 to the >finder window - worked well in bright light, but was too dim in low light >situations. >My solution now was an unexposed piece of EFKE 25 film. It has a very slight >pinkish colour when developed, but is otherwise absolutely clear. The colour >is just enough to make the rangefinder spot more visible! > >The unexposed film of course was a bit of learning: dont automaticly >transport the film to cock the shutter after changing the magazine ... >Well I still have to get used to some things ;-) Curiously one of my two Rapids has a yellow tinge to the RF patch - one of the pieces of glas sin the finder has what appears to be a factory-fitted bit of yellow gel over it. -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html The real question is why did the kamikaze pilots wear helmets? From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 4 21:00:43 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Thomas Bogdan) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 22:00:43 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Finder contrast enhancement Message-ID: <18UvRL-1HOjXUC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> -- ---------- >Von: Craig Zeni > Curiously one of my two Rapids has a yellow tinge to the RF patch - one of > the pieces of glas sin the finder has what appears to be a factory-fitted > bit of yellow gel over it. That's why the pink works that fine, I think...My RF patch is yellow, too. Tmas > The real question is why did the kamikaze pilots wear helmets? Eehhmmm...what about mens nipples? From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jan 6 02:30:13 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 21:30:13 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Finder contrast enhancement Message-ID: <6ECF5CB6.249BDA9F.0D149C81@netscape.net> TBogdan@t-online.de (Thomas Bogdan) wrote: > >-- > > >---------- >>Von: Craig Zeni > >> Curiously one of my two Rapids has a yellow tinge to the RF patch - one of >> the pieces of glas sin the finder has what appears to be a factory-fitted >> bit of yellow gel over it. > >That's why the pink works that fine, I think...My RF patch is yellow, too. > >Tmas > >> The real question is why did the kamikaze pilots wear helmets? > >Eehhmmm...what about mens nipples? > If seven eleven's are open 24 hours a day then why do they have locks on the doors. >_______________________________________________ >KOML mailing list >KOML@koni-omega.org >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jan 8 00:49:42 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Martyn, Rick) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:49:42 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Backs for KO Rapid? Message-ID: I recently purchased a KO Rapid, and would like to get a 220 back for it = (this is the old version, not the one that fits the M, 100 or 200). If = anyone out there has one they are interested in selling, please let me = know. I am also looking the 60 mm and 180 mm lenses. Thanks, Rick Martyn From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jan 8 14:47:04 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:47:04 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Backs for KO Rapid? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I recently purchased a KO Rapid, and would like to get a 220 back >for it (this is the old version, not the one that fits the M, 100 or >200). If anyone out there has one they are interested in selling, >please let me know. I am also looking the 60 mm and 180 mm lenses. > >Thanks, >Rick Martyn Rick, Good luck with the search - the backs are around and not valued as highly as the 120 backs so you will probably find a bargain somewhere along the line. I do like the older KO Rapids - they do not have some of the engineering improvements of the later cameras and of course you cannot change backs mid-roll as you can on some of the later cameras - but they have a character all of their own. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jan 20 20:14:16 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:14:16 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Hand holding Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5B7@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Just out of curiosity, how many of you hand hold your Koni and at what shutter speed do you begin to mess about with a cable release? 1/125? 1/60? 1/30th. I hardly ever use a cable release. Well, I've had to a couple of times...and I should have a couple of times.... Barbara From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 21 00:30:36 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (M Melton) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:30:36 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Hand holding In-Reply-To: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5B7@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: I have the cable release that attaches to the left hand grip and you press with your left thumb. So in one since of the word, I use a cable release every time I take a picture. If I'm taking group, portrait, or other such photos, I use a short air bulb release every time. The same goes with my 35mm also. Also, since I was able to acquire a ground glass back for my Koni several years ago, I also use it for the same type of work (the range finder and I don't agree on what sharp focus is). Maurice -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Barbara Lee Spinnenweber Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:14 PM To: KOML mailing list (E-mail) Subject: [KOML] Hand holding Just out of curiosity, how many of you hand hold your Koni and at what shutter speed do you begin to mess about with a cable release? 1/125? 1/60? 1/30th. I hardly ever use a cable release. Well, I've had to a couple of times...and I should have a couple of times.... Barbara _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 21 00:41:29 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:41:29 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Hand holding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Just out of curiosity, how many of you hand hold your Koni and at what > shutter speed do you begin to mess about with a cable release? 1/125? 1/60? > 1/30th. > > I hardly ever use a cable release. Well, I've had to a couple of times...and > I should have a couple of times.... > > Barbara I can handhold the omegaflex w/135 at about 1/100th. no cable release, it hurts more than it helps handheld... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jan 20 21:23:06 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:23:06 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Hand holding Message-ID: <20030120212305.ZBKK7073.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I normally hand hold with the 60mm, 90mm or 135mm down to about 1/125th. With the 180 or below 1/125th, try for tripod. If I'm doing portraits, I always try to use a tripod. The great thing about using flash with the Koni, though, is that it will synch at 1/250th, which is what I use for flash, so hand-holding is not as much of an issue. I do, however, use a cable release so I can release the shutter with my thumb when hand held. That seems to give me more stability in holding the camera. Best, Barry > > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > Date: 2003/01/20 Mon PM 03:14:16 EST > To: "KOML mailing list (E-mail)" > Subject: [KOML] Hand holding > > Just out of curiosity, how many of you hand hold your Koni and at what > shutter speed do you begin to mess about with a cable release? 1/125? 1/60? > 1/30th. > > I hardly ever use a cable release. Well, I've had to a couple of times...and > I should have a couple of times.... > > Barbara > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jan 20 21:44:11 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Game*Alot Toys & Games) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:44:11 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Hand holding In-Reply-To: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5B7@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5B7@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: Well, Barbara, 125 is about as slow as I can reliably hand hold my Koni. I simply go up in in film speed be be reasonably certain I can stay at least at this speed. Perhaps others have steadier hands than I do. Frank >Just out of curiosity, how many of you hand hold your Koni and at what >shutter speed do you begin to mess about with a cable release? 1/125? 1/60? >1/30th. > >I hardly ever use a cable release. Well, I've had to a couple of times...and >I should have a couple of times.... > >Barbara > >_______________________________________________ >KOML mailing list >KOML@koni-omega.org >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml -- Game*Alot Toys & Games Voice: 831/429-9009 Fax: 831/429-6609 Quality Toys for Fun and Learning Web :www.gamealot.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jan 22 12:00:58 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:00:58 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Hand holding In-Reply-To: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5B7@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5B7@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: At 1:14 pm -0700 20/1/03, Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: >Just out of curiosity, how many of you hand hold your Koni and at what >shutter speed do you begin to mess about with a cable release? 1/125? 1/60? >1/30th. > >I hardly ever use a cable release. Well, I've had to a couple of times...and >I should have a couple of times.... > >Barbara Hello Barbara, I use my old KO Rapid handheld from time to time. This usually has the 90mm lens attached so I try to keep the shutter speed above 1/60 unless there is a convenient wall or post to brace the camera. Results have generally been excellent and freedom from the tripod is a good creative experience. Given the leaf shutter, you can probably get away with 1/30 if you have really steady hands.... I have shot hand held using a wall as a brace at 1/15 and got away with it. I tend to use cable release and tripod for most photography unless it's 35mm and that is generally used for reportage and snatched portraiture. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 23 19:18:12 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:18:12 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Hand holding Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5C1@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Thanks for all the replies guys! Whew! I was beginning to think that I must have been an oddball for handholding. Now I know that we are all oddballs!! (grin) Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Clive Warren [mailto:cocam@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:01 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] Hand holding At 1:14 pm -0700 20/1/03, Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: >Just out of curiosity, how many of you hand hold your Koni and at what >shutter speed do you begin to mess about with a cable release? 1/125? 1/60? >1/30th. > >I hardly ever use a cable release. Well, I've had to a couple of times...and >I should have a couple of times.... > >Barbara Hello Barbara, I use my old KO Rapid handheld from time to time. This usually has the 90mm lens attached so I try to keep the shutter speed above 1/60 unless there is a convenient wall or post to brace the camera. Results have generally been excellent and freedom from the tripod is a good creative experience. Given the leaf shutter, you can probably get away with 1/30 if you have really steady hands.... I have shot hand held using a wall as a brace at 1/15 and got away with it. I tend to use cable release and tripod for most photography unless it's 35mm and that is generally used for reportage and snatched portraiture. Cheers, Clive _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 01:33:01 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Bill Barton) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:33:01 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5C1@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: <3E3097CD.30908@bellatlantic.net> Well Greg Weber has come thru, his average RO-100 w/90mm and 120 back is pretty clean, also got a inst book and a real 100 box.... I am really impressed with the rf/vf on the camera clean, bright much better then my old Fuji GS 645s camera. Also does not seem that heavy from my old Kowa Super 66, gone but not forgotten. Now it's time to run my first roll of film, I have a number of Fuji 100 Provia sitting in the freezer seems time to break it out... Question As you depress the shutter their is that little "click" before the shutter fires, I take it that is the pressure plate doing it's thing y/n? Now do I get another back or the 180mm first???? bill From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 02:53:59 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:53:59 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy Message-ID: <20030124025401.CYZQ16621.lakemtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Hi, Bill, When you depress the shutter on a Rapid, the click you hear is the backing plate. When you depress the shutter on a Rapid Omega 100 or 200, the click you hear is the "frame exposed" indicator on the film back going off. And if you decide not to take the picture and back off the shutter release before firing, the back will tell you you have taken the picture. It's just put there to confuse you. Don't be initimidated. You can get another back cheaper than you can get a 180mm, but you might not need another back for a while. Best, Barry > > From: Bill Barton > Date: 2003/01/23 Thu PM 08:33:01 EST > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: [KOML] new guy > > Well Greg Weber has come thru, his average RO-100 w/90mm and 120 back is > pretty clean, also got a inst book and a real 100 box.... > > I am really impressed with the rf/vf on the camera clean, bright much > better then my old Fuji GS 645s camera. Also does not seem that heavy > from my old Kowa Super 66, gone but not forgotten. Now it's time to run > my first roll of film, I have a number of Fuji 100 Provia sitting in the > freezer seems time to break it out... > > Question > > As you depress the shutter their is that little "click" before the > shutter fires, I take it that is the pressure plate doing it's thing > y/n? > > Now do I get another back or the 180mm first???? > > bill > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 03:41:58 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:41:58 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5C1@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> <3E3097CD.30908@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: <3E30B605.F826847C@earthlink.net> Bill, Congratulations and good luck with your" new "camera.As far as lens choices go, I find myself using the 58 and 90 far more frequently than the 180 (or the 135 for that matter)....IMHO, the 180`s minimum focusing distance (about 12 ft.) does`nt lend itself to portrait use (unless you`re in a really big room)....and it does`nt have enough reach to pull in those far-away shots.Probably a great lens for street photography, but it`s hard to be discreet with something this size.Just a matter of personal shooting styles, I guess....anyone else care to comment on this? Robert Bill Barton wrote: > Well Greg Weber has come thru, his average RO-100 w/90mm and 120 back is > pretty clean, also got a inst book and a real 100 box.... > > I am really impressed with the rf/vf on the camera clean, bright much > better then my old Fuji GS 645s camera. Also does not seem that heavy > from my old Kowa Super 66, gone but not forgotten. Now it's time to run > my first roll of film, I have a number of Fuji 100 Provia sitting in the > freezer seems time to break it out... > > Question > > As you depress the shutter their is that little "click" before the > shutter fires, I take it that is the pressure plate doing it's thing > y/n? > > Now do I get another back or the 180mm first???? > > bill > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 04:26:28 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:26:28 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy Message-ID: <20030124042628.DLZZ22151.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I use my Koni for portraits a lot, so use the 90 and 135 the most. The 60 is used for scenics. I agree that the 180 is, for me at least, more of an accessory. Not much use for it, but nice to have just in case. Best, Barry > > From: Nancy Brown > Date: 2003/01/23 Thu PM 10:41:58 EST > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: Re: [KOML] new guy > > Bill, > Congratulations and good luck with your" new "camera.As far as lens choices > go, I find myself using the 58 and 90 far more frequently than the 180 (or > the 135 for that matter)....IMHO, the 180`s minimum focusing distance (about > 12 ft.) does`nt lend itself to portrait use (unless you`re in a really big > room)....and it does`nt have enough reach to pull in those far-away > shots.Probably a great lens for street photography, but it`s hard to be > discreet with something this size.Just a matter of personal shooting styles, > I guess....anyone else care to comment on this? > Robert > > > Bill Barton wrote: > > > Well Greg Weber has come thru, his average RO-100 w/90mm and 120 back is > > pretty clean, also got a inst book and a real 100 box.... > > > > I am really impressed with the rf/vf on the camera clean, bright much > > better then my old Fuji GS 645s camera. Also does not seem that heavy > > from my old Kowa Super 66, gone but not forgotten. Now it's time to run > > my first roll of film, I have a number of Fuji 100 Provia sitting in the > > freezer seems time to break it out... > > > > Question > > > > As you depress the shutter their is that little "click" before the > > shutter fires, I take it that is the pressure plate doing it's thing > > y/n? > > > > Now do I get another back or the 180mm first???? > > > > bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 14:31:58 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Bill Barton) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:31:58 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5C1@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> <3E3097CD.30908@bellatlantic.net> <3E30B605.F826847C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3E314E5E.5020402@bellatlantic.net> All right thanks for all the feedback. My reason for looking at a 180mm lens first is I have the Fuji GS645W with the 45mm f5.6 right now plus the GS645S with the 60mm lens, both really great lenses. However the 60mm with the 645 format is like having a 75mm on the KO if they made one, so I have been normal and tele deprived for the past couple of years. I was very impressed with how the back loads and holds tension on the film, I was not too sure if I even wanted to get a 220 back for the KO but after loading the 100 this AM I see it will not be a problem. I tired to talk a buddy into trying a KO with me but he went for a older Bronica S2a I feel I got the much better deal. All right more snow last night time to get out there, I have had my two cups already.... bill From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 15:21:41 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:21:41 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: <20030124152142.E2F4D535DB@pairlist.net> Hello, Just got my Koni Omega 100 last week. I bought it through ebay from someone who had recently had it cla'd through Greg Weber. I've just run a roll of film through it but haven't had time to develope it yet. I plan on doing mostly black and white and developing and printing at home. I look forwards to using the Koni. It seems worthy camera to add to my ecclectic collection. The ergonomics are superior to most of what I use to take pictures. My collection: KO 100 with 58 and 90mm Kiev 60 (ok, this one is not so good...) Moskva 5 Mamiya C330 Pentax K1000 Nikon F100 Olympus C4040 What's everyone else got in their camera bags? I ask because its interesting to see what else they use on a regular basis. Regards, Jim Seaman From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 16:12:16 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Martyn, Rick) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:12:16 -0800 Subject: [KOML] new guy Message-ID: I don't have the 180mm, but would like to get one for landscape work. = It seems really odd to me that the minimum focusing distance is 12 ft., = since everything I've read indicates the camera was designed in large = part for the wedding photographer. It doesn't seem like the lens would = be of much use for a wedding photographer with the 12 foot limitation. = Am I missing something? Rick M. -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Brown [mailto:archerenterprises@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:42 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] new guy Bill, Congratulations and good luck with your" new "camera.As far as lens = choices go, I find myself using the 58 and 90 far more frequently than the 180 = (or the 135 for that matter)....IMHO, the 180`s minimum focusing distance = (about 12 ft.) does`nt lend itself to portrait use (unless you`re in a really = big room)....and it does`nt have enough reach to pull in those far-away shots.Probably a great lens for street photography, but it`s hard to be discreet with something this size.Just a matter of personal shooting = styles, I guess....anyone else care to comment on this? Robert Bill Barton wrote: > Well Greg Weber has come thru, his average RO-100 w/90mm and 120 back = is > pretty clean, also got a inst book and a real 100 box.... > > I am really impressed with the rf/vf on the camera clean, bright much > better then my old Fuji GS 645s camera. Also does not seem that heavy > from my old Kowa Super 66, gone but not forgotten. Now it's time to = run > my first roll of film, I have a number of Fuji 100 Provia sitting in = the > freezer seems time to break it out... > > Question > > As you depress the shutter their is that little "click" before the > shutter fires, I take it that is the pressure plate doing it's thing > y/n? > > Now do I get another back or the 180mm first???? > > bill > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 16:26:27 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:26:27 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: new guy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Martyn, Rick wrote: > I don't have the 180mm, but would like to get one for landscape work. It > seems really odd to me that the minimum focusing distance is 12 ft., since > everything I've read indicates the camera was designed in large part for the > wedding photographer. It doesn't seem like the lens would be of much use for > a wedding photographer with the 12 foot limitation. Am I missing something? You're right that this lens isn't useful for people work on the K-Os (rangefinders); that is the purview of the 135... I shoot a Koni-Omegaflex and can get as close as 7 feet with the 180. I find the character of the 135 and the 180 quite different and recommend both... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 16:39:32 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Martyn, Rick) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:39:32 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: In addition to my recently acquired KO Rapid I have/use: Rolleiflex 3.5F (busted light meter=3Dgood price) Nikon F Rollei 35TE Zeiss-Ikon Nettar (6x6) Others I have, but rarely use: =20 Ansco Speedex=20 A bunch of Argus 35mm (C3, C4, Model 21 ...) Yashica A Rolleicord III with Xenar (like a Tessar) Nikkormat FTN Rick M. -----Original Message----- From: jim-seaman@attbi.com [mailto:jim-seaman@attbi.com] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:22 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Hello, Just got my Koni Omega 100 last week. I bought it through ebay from = someone=20 who had recently had it cla'd through Greg Weber. I've just run a roll = of film=20 through it but haven't had time to develope it yet. I plan on doing mostly black and white and developing and printing at = home.=20 I look forwards to using the Koni. It seems worthy camera to add to my=20 ecclectic collection. The ergonomics are superior to most of what I use = to=20 take pictures. My collection: KO 100 with 58 and 90mm Kiev 60 (ok, this one is not so good...) Moskva 5 Mamiya C330 Pentax K1000 Nikon F100 Olympus C4040 What's everyone else got in their camera bags? I ask because its = interesting=20 to see what else they use on a regular basis. Regards, Jim Seaman _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 16:47:10 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:47:10 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Another new guy... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Martyn, Rick wrote: > Others I have, but rarely use: > Rolleicord III with Xenar (like a Tessar) Please use this camera! Compact, reliable, rugged, nice ergonomics, and capable of stunning images! (You probably knew that... ;-)) Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 18:22:19 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:22:19 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy References: Message-ID: <3E31845B.C12AAA7C@earthlink.net> Don`t forget that it was also designed to be a Press camera, one application where the 180 probably really shines. Robert "Martyn, Rick" wrote: > I don't have the 180mm, but would like to get one for landscape work. It seems really odd to me that the minimum focusing distance is 12 ft., since everything I've read indicates the camera was designed in large part for the wedding photographer. It doesn't seem like the lens would be of much use for a wedding photographer with the 12 foot limitation. Am I missing something? > > Rick M. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nancy Brown [mailto:archerenterprises@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:42 PM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: Re: [KOML] new guy > > Bill, > Congratulations and good luck with your" new "camera.As far as lens choices > go, I find myself using the 58 and 90 far more frequently than the 180 (or > the 135 for that matter)....IMHO, the 180`s minimum focusing distance (about > 12 ft.) does`nt lend itself to portrait use (unless you`re in a really big > room)....and it does`nt have enough reach to pull in those far-away > shots.Probably a great lens for street photography, but it`s hard to be > discreet with something this size.Just a matter of personal shooting styles, > I guess....anyone else care to comment on this? > Robert > > Bill Barton wrote: > > > Well Greg Weber has come thru, his average RO-100 w/90mm and 120 back is > > pretty clean, also got a inst book and a real 100 box.... > > > > I am really impressed with the rf/vf on the camera clean, bright much > > better then my old Fuji GS 645s camera. Also does not seem that heavy > > from my old Kowa Super 66, gone but not forgotten. Now it's time to run > > my first roll of film, I have a number of Fuji 100 Provia sitting in the > > freezer seems time to break it out... > > > > Question > > > > As you depress the shutter their is that little "click" before the > > shutter fires, I take it that is the pressure plate doing it's thing > > y/n? > > > > Now do I get another back or the 180mm first???? > > > > bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 24 19:43:39 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:43:39 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy Message-ID: <4AC37EB5.1B2D6E32.0D149C81@netscape.net> so what is the min.focus on the 135mm ? chip renner __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 25 05:51:56 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:51:56 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... References: <20030124152142.E2F4D535DB@pairlist.net> Message-ID: <3E3225FB.63028E94@earthlink.net> Jim, Welcome aboard, I think you`ll really enjoy the new addition to your collection.In response to your query, here`s some of my cameras, most of which get used on a rotating basis: K-O Rapid M K-O M Rapid 200 All four lenses for above Pentax 645 Minolta Autocord L TLR (6x6) 35mm SLRs: Canon FT-QL Canon F1N Canon A2E Konica T3N 35mm Rangefinders: Konica S2 Konica S3 Yashica Electro-35 GTN Minolta Hi-Matic E Canon QL17III Minox 35-GL Robert jim-seaman@attbi.com wrote: > Hello, > > Just got my Koni Omega 100 last week. I bought it through ebay from someone > who had recently had it cla'd through Greg Weber. I've just run a roll of film > through it but haven't had time to develope it yet. > > I plan on doing mostly black and white and developing and printing at home. > > I look forwards to using the Koni. It seems worthy camera to add to my > ecclectic collection. The ergonomics are superior to most of what I use to > take pictures. > > My collection: > KO 100 with 58 and 90mm > Kiev 60 (ok, this one is not so good...) > Moskva 5 > Mamiya C330 > Pentax K1000 > Nikon F100 > Olympus C4040 > > What's everyone else got in their camera bags? I ask because its interesting > to see what else they use on a regular basis. > > Regards, > > Jim Seaman > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 25 14:19:59 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Bill Barton) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:19:59 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... References: <20030124152142.E2F4D535DB@pairlist.net> <3E3225FB.63028E94@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3E329D0F.5090509@bellatlantic.net> Well more cameras then I should have..... RO-100 Fuji GS645S 60mm Fuji GS645W 45mm Linhof 220 6x7 VERTICAL RF fixed lens, a real moster to carry around makes a KO/RO look like a normal camera M5 M3 M4-2 Hexar RF Fuji Super DL zoom Minox 35 GT-E Russian/Ukraine Kiev 35a Kiev 2 Kiev 4 Kiev 4am Moskva 5 Moskva 2 bill From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 25 14:33:50 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:33:50 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... In-Reply-To: <3E329D0F.5090509@bellatlantic.net> References: <20030124152142.E2F4D535DB@pairlist.net> <3E3225FB.63028E94@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030125092927.01eb84e0@pop.mindspring.com> At 09:19 AM 1/25/2003, you wrote: >Well more cameras then I should have..... Ditto: KO Rapid KO Rapid M - also have 58 and 180 for these. Hartblei-modified Kiev 60 with Superfly-style covering and Arsat 30mm fisheye Moscow 5 Zeiss Nettar Rolleiflex MX and a slew of 35mm stuff... -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html In dog years, I'm dead. From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 25 19:07:14 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:07:14 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy Message-ID: <20030125190715.IAAO7073.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Minimum focal distance on the 135mm is about six feet. Barry > > From: PinholeRenner@netscape.net > Date: 2003/01/24 Fri PM 02:43:39 EST > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: Re: [KOML] new guy > > so what is the min.focus on the 135mm ? > chip renner > > __________________________________________________________________ > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 25 20:03:46 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:03:46 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: I'm fairly new to Koni, having picked up a fully working (after a little = shutter cleaning) KO Rapid last spring for $25. Other stuff I shoot, in = MF: Voigtlander Bessa RF 6x9 " Perkeo 6x6 Moskva 2 Russian (exact) copy of the Zeiss Super Ikonta C 6x9 (don't use = this very much) Lubiter 166 TLR (the only Lubitel that automatically frames and cocks as = you wind). (don't use this much either) and in 35mm: Nikon FE2,FE,FM,FG and assorted russian and voigtlander 35mm rangefinder and scale focus = cameras, most of which I use at least occasionally, as there is = something about each that I really like. I also do an unconventional = type of large format, with homemade cameras. All of these cameras were purchase used; The Nikon FE2 by far the most = expensive ($250 in nearly-new condition). I have only the 90mm for my KO Rapid, but I have really enjoyed shooting = with it over the past year, and I have been very pleased with the = results. I'm surprised how ergonomic it is. I often carry it around = with me while walking, and it is surprisingly comfortable dangling from = it's hand grip (I wouldn't want to hang it off my neck though). Interesting to see how many of us use old cameras.... --John -----Original Message----- From: Martyn, Rick [mailto:RZM1@pge.com] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:40 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: RE: [KOML] Another new guy... In addition to my recently acquired KO Rapid I have/use: Rolleiflex 3.5F (busted light meter=3Dgood price) Nikon F Rollei 35TE Zeiss-Ikon Nettar (6x6) Others I have, but rarely use: =20 Ansco Speedex=20 A bunch of Argus 35mm (C3, C4, Model 21 ...) Yashica A Rolleicord III with Xenar (like a Tessar) Nikkormat FTN Rick M. -----Original Message----- From: jim-seaman@attbi.com [mailto:jim-seaman@attbi.com] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:22 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Hello, Just got my Koni Omega 100 last week. I bought it through ebay from = someone=20 who had recently had it cla'd through Greg Weber. I've just run a roll = of film=20 through it but haven't had time to develope it yet. I plan on doing mostly black and white and developing and printing at = home.=20 I look forwards to using the Koni. It seems worthy camera to add to my=20 ecclectic collection. The ergonomics are superior to most of what I use = to=20 take pictures. My collection: KO 100 with 58 and 90mm Kiev 60 (ok, this one is not so good...) Moskva 5 Mamiya C330 Pentax K1000 Nikon F100 Olympus C4040 What's everyone else got in their camera bags? I ask because its = interesting=20 to see what else they use on a regular basis. Regards, Jim Seaman _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 25 20:35:17 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Thomas Bogdan) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:35:17 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: <18cX0j-0J3sCeC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> -- ---------- >Von: "Beaver, John" >An: >Betreff: RE: [KOML] Another new guy... >Datum: Sam, 25. Jan 2003 21:03 Uhr > > > Interesting to see how many of us use old cameras.... > > --John > Indeed! the Koni being the latest (bought) old camera to me , I had to see, that the cameras I use and buy are getting older and older! And bigger btw... Best, Tmas From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jan 26 16:50:29 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Bill Barton) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:50:29 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5C1@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> <3E3097CD.30908@bellatlantic.net> <3E30B605.F826847C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3E3411D5.8070008@bellatlantic.net> I found a web page doing a search on goggle for KO/RO under pictures.... and I had not seen this page in any of the "normal" KO/RO sites... http://www.kyphoto.com/classics/images/koniomega.jpg Thought I would pass it on... bill From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jan 26 23:11:51 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (M Melton) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:11:51 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy In-Reply-To: <3E3411D5.8070008@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: Thanks Bill. I haven't seen before either. Added it to my collection of articles. Maurice -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Bill Barton Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 11:50 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] new guy I found a web page doing a search on goggle for KO/RO under pictures.... and I had not seen this page in any of the "normal" KO/RO sites... http://www.kyphoto.com/classics/images/koniomega.jpg Thought I would pass it on... bill _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jan 27 04:38:49 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (M Melton) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:38:49 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... In-Reply-To: <20030124152142.E2F4D535DB@pairlist.net> Message-ID: My user collection is: 35mm Konica Autoreflex T (2) " " T3 (1) " " T3n (1) " " T4 (2) carry both " FP (1) 15mm 25mm 28mm carry 35mm carry 52mm 55mm carry 85mm carry 135mm carry 200mm 35-80 zoom 70-210 zoom plus extenders, close-up rings, bellows, slide copier, flashes, etc. and one Olympus XA with flash (inherited this one) Med. format Koni M w/90mm ground glass back all extension rings Guess I'm kinda partial to Konica. The first new camera I bought was the T in 1971 from Ball Photo in Asheville, NC. Still have the camera and everything that can with it. Mr. Ball let me make payments on it. Took me six months to get it paid off. What I like about everyone of these, is they can and will operate without batteries (except the FP). After I saw the first battery dependant camera rewind it's film when a new battery was installed, I figured I'd keep what I had. Maurice -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of jim-seaman@attbi.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:22 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Hello, Just got my Koni Omega 100 last week. I bought it through ebay from someone who had recently had it cla'd through Greg Weber. I've just run a roll of film through it but haven't had time to develope it yet. I plan on doing mostly black and white and developing and printing at home. I look forwards to using the Koni. It seems worthy camera to add to my ecclectic collection. The ergonomics are superior to most of what I use to take pictures. My collection: KO 100 with 58 and 90mm Kiev 60 (ok, this one is not so good...) Moskva 5 Mamiya C330 Pentax K1000 Nikon F100 Olympus C4040 What's everyone else got in their camera bags? I ask because its interesting to see what else they use on a regular basis. Regards, Jim Seaman _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jan 27 19:04:17 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:04:17 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: <20030127190416.ZAUO27253.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Well, OK, let me see. I'm a Konicanista as well. I do mostly 35mm stuff. I have the following (may miss a few): Konica NT3 black Konica FP-1 Konica FS-1 Konica FT-1 black (3) The following Hexanons: 15mm/f2.8 UC fisheye (carry) 21mm/f2.8 21mm/f4 24mm/f2.8 (carry) 28mm/f1.8 UC (carry) 28mm/f3.5 35mm/f2.8 40mm/f1.8 (carry) 50mm/f1.7 50mm/f1.8 55mm/f3.5 macro with 1:1 ext tube (carry) 57mm/f1.4 57mm/f1.2 (2) I carry one of these at all times 85mm/f1.8 (carry some, if doing people) 100mm/f2.8 135mm/f3.2 (nice portrait lens) 135mm/f2.5 (great portrait lens) 200mm/f3.5 (great fireworks lens) 35-70/f3.5-4 zoom Third party: 28-105 Kiron zoom 28-210 Kiron zoom (carry) 600mm fixed f8 Sigma mirror In medium format, I have a Rapid Omega 200, with a couple of 120 backs and a couple of 200 backs. And I have an original Koni Omega Rapid with one 120 back. I have all four lenses (two 90's, 60, 135, 180) and an Auto-up II. Oh, yeah, I also have a Minolta S304 digital, just so I can say I'm keeping up with the times. Not a lot of stuff, but enough to keep me busy. Best, Barry > > From: "M Melton" > Date: 2003/01/26 Sun PM 11:38:49 EST > To: > Subject: RE: [KOML] Another new guy... > > My user collection is: > > 35mm > Konica Autoreflex T (2) > " " T3 (1) > " " T3n (1) > " " T4 (2) carry both > " FP (1) > 15mm > 25mm > 28mm carry > 35mm carry > 52mm > 55mm carry > 85mm carry > 135mm carry > 200mm > 35-80 zoom > 70-210 zoom > plus extenders, close-up rings, bellows, slide copier, flashes, etc. > > and one Olympus XA with flash (inherited this one) > > Med. format > Koni M w/90mm > ground glass back > all extension rings > > Guess I'm kinda partial to Konica. The first new camera I bought was the T > in 1971 from Ball Photo in Asheville, NC. Still have the camera and > everything that can with it. Mr. Ball let me make payments on it. Took me > six months to get it paid off. What I like about everyone of these, is they > can and will operate without batteries (except the FP). After I saw the > first battery dependant camera rewind it's film when a new battery was > installed, I figured I'd keep what I had. > > Maurice > > > -----Original Message----- > From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On > Behalf Of jim-seaman@attbi.com > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:22 AM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... > > > Hello, > > Just got my Koni Omega 100 last week. I bought it through ebay from someone > who had recently had it cla'd through Greg Weber. I've just run a roll of > film > through it but haven't had time to develope it yet. > > I plan on doing mostly black and white and developing and printing at home. > > I look forwards to using the Koni. It seems worthy camera to add to my > ecclectic collection. The ergonomics are superior to most of what I use to > take pictures. > > My collection: > KO 100 with 58 and 90mm > Kiev 60 (ok, this one is not so good...) > Moskva 5 > Mamiya C330 > Pentax K1000 > Nikon F100 > Olympus C4040 > > What's everyone else got in their camera bags? I ask because its > interesting > to see what else they use on a regular basis. > > Regards, > > Jim Seaman > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jan 27 22:43:08 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:43:08 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5C9@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Besides my Koni 200 I have: Olympus E-20N (5 mp digital, SLR-ish) Canon EOS A5 (Japanese A2E) Canon EOS Elan II Bronica ETRS Holga (for fun, used twice) On a regular basis, I have to confess that I use the Oly. E-20N digital. No film expense. Although 2 weeks ago I managed to get out with my Koni. But, no amazing images to report on. I haven't even processed the film...'cause I haven't finished either roll. For printer equipment: Epson 1270 and Epson 785 EPX Epson Premium Semigloss is favorite paper so far. Use Epson inks only. But have discovered Eckerd's Fuji Frontier (also at some Ritz/Wolf, Walmart and Sam's. I like dotphoto.com as well - signed up as "pro" to get good deals. Now, I only use inkjet when I'm in a hurry. For scanners: Epson 2450 (flatbed - good for med. format film) Minolta Dimage Scan Dual (35mm film scanner) Flash: Sunpak 555 (I love this flash and use it to bounce light frequently) Vivitar 283 (kind-of new for me and not as liked as the Sunpak) Canon 540 EZ (My intelligent dedicated flash. It's much smarter than me so I put it on automatic. I also use Quantum battery pack) Alien Bee 1600 monolight (plan on getting more in the future - really great!!!) Pocket Wizard transmitter and receiver (very cool) I haven't set up my darkroom since Sept. of last year. Most images are processed on the computer. I like having more control and spending less time...and I don't have to clean my bathroom before and after each darkroom use! I kind-of miss the darkroom...and I will bring it back out when I finally get a good enough negative or two. Oh yeah, I use a Beseler 23CII enlarger... Barbara > -----Original Message----- > From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On > Behalf Of jim-seaman@attbi.com > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:22 AM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... > > > Hello, > (SNIP) > > What's everyone else got in their camera bags? I ask because its > interesting > to see what else they use on a regular basis. > > Regards, > > Jim Seaman > From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 28 00:41:04 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Bill Barton) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:41:04 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5C9@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: <3E35D1A0.6030309@bellatlantic.net> Barbara, How do you like your epson 2450, I am holding out for the replacement 3200 when it comes out in the next two months. I have a 1160 and a C80 printers and just a Agfa e50 flat bed scanner that lets me play with some Panoramic slides in 35 and is ok to make some 5x7's from 35 mm stuff. bill From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 28 00:47:54 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:47:54 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... In-Reply-To: <3E35D1A0.6030309@bellatlantic.net> References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5C9@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030127194727.01d241b0@pop.mindspring.com> At 07:41 PM 1/27/2003, you wrote: >Barbara, > >How do you like your epson 2450, I am holding out for the replacement 3200 >when it comes out in the next two months. I have a 1160 and a C80 >printers and just a Agfa e50 flat bed scanner that lets me play with some >Panoramic slides in 35 and is ok to make some 5x7's from 35 mm stuff. I just plumped for a 2450 from B&H - they have refurbs for $299 with full warranty... -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html In dog years, I'm dead. From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 28 01:36:50 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Bill Barton) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:36:50 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5C9@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030127194727.01d241b0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3E35DEB2.4010903@bellatlantic.net> Craig Thanks for the info, I have purchased both my C80 and 1160 as refurb's and they have been great deals. I "hear" the only complaint with the 2450 is it's slow to scan y/n and that the 3200 will be faster? Any thoughts or ideas... bill From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 28 01:52:25 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:52:25 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... In-Reply-To: <3E35DEB2.4010903@bellatlantic.net> References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5C9@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030127194727.01d241b0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030127205125.02452210@pop.mindspring.com> At 08:36 PM 1/27/2003, you wrote: >Craig > >Thanks for the info, I have purchased both my C80 and 1160 as refurb's and >they have been great deals. I "hear" the only complaint with the 2450 is >it's slow to scan y/n and that the 3200 will be faster? > >Any thoughts or ideas... No idea - have never seen one in action but they seem to be quite well regarded for their output. And the price was pretty right... Now if that dang 17" Mac LCD didn't cost a grand... -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html In dog years, I'm dead. From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 28 03:41:05 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:41:05 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: <45D0B06C.612A031D.0D149C81@netscape.net> Bill Barton wrote: I love my 2450 however I have to complain about my epson c-80.less then 1 &1/2 years old & it has broken.when it worked it was great.anyone have any expierence with epson printers 7 their repair? >Barbara, > >How do you like your epson 2450, I am holding out for the replacement >3200 when it comes out in the next two months. I have a 1160 and a C80 >printers and just a Agfa e50 flat bed scanner that lets me play with >some Panoramic slides in 35 and is ok to make some 5x7's from 35 mm stuff. > >bill > > >_______________________________________________ >KOML mailing list >KOML@koni-omega.org >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 28 05:55:47 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jim Seaman) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:55:47 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... References: <20030126231238.4F6A35377D@pairlist.net> Message-ID: <000e01c2c691$e7c685a0$fbcee60c@attbi.com> Well, it looks like I will fit in (with ecclectic camera gear, anyway!)... Even some others who like the Moskva (aka Moskow 2 and 5). Hoping to get some more time to run some film through the KO. Lots of family stuff going on right now so creative photography is pushed off for a few more days. I've almost talked myself out of the 180, after reading the discussions... That's a LONG minimum focus distance... Maybe I should save my money for the 135... Regards, Jim From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 28 13:26:41 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Bill Barton) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:26:41 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: epson printer repair out of warr...... References: <45D0B06C.612A031D.0D149C81@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3E368511.2060007@bellatlantic.net> As you know if you have a epson printer that fails under the usa warr. all you do is call epson and they send out a replacement printer... With a recall tag for the broken printer. However if it is out of warr. you need to find a epson repair shop close to you, check their web site and it will locate a shop close to you... Now I had my 1160 fail after 2.5 years and took it into the local repair station. It was a little local repair shop for all types of printers, they were very nice and just thought that I had a piece of paper under one of the sensors and took the whole printer apart while I waited on a Sat morning. Yes I did have a tiny piece of paper under one of the sensors and we thought that was all that was needed. But the printer would still not print. Any way something was bad on the main circuit board and they had to order one and it would take 2-3 days, not a big deal. Well three months later they gave up trying to repair my printer and sent me a replacement 1160 that cost me 250.00 for the "repair" Not a shinning example of after warr. repair. My take on all this is if you have a small carriage epson printer that dies after warr. just buy a new printer. This was not a real option on the 1160 because a new wide carriage printer would still have been much more then the 250.00 I spent for the repair. I picked up my C-80 from the epson refurb department on line for 105.00 with free shipping while all this was going on so I could print. bill From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 28 13:50:04 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 8:50:04 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: <20030128135006.GJT7073.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Hey, Barbara, I just bought an Epson 2400 scanner, which if I am told right, is the same machine as the 2450, but with only USB. It comes with a holder for 35mm negs and slides. It says that there is an optional plate for 4"X5" transparencies. Do you have that? I was wondering if I could put the medium format negs under the light and have it work. Haven't had it long enough to get into the details. I may need more memory (I have 128meg of RAM) before I can use it for film. How about a scanning tutorial. It also says it's a 4800dpi scanner, but the highest recommended scanning resolution is 3200. What's with that? I love showing my ignorance. Best, Barry > > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > Date: 2003/01/27 Mon PM 05:43:08 EST > To: "'koml@koni-omega.org'" > Subject: RE: [KOML] Another new guy... > > Besides my Koni 200 I have: > Olympus E-20N (5 mp digital, SLR-ish) > Canon EOS A5 (Japanese A2E) > Canon EOS Elan II > Bronica ETRS > Holga (for fun, used twice) > > On a regular basis, I have to confess that I use the Oly. E-20N digital. No > film expense. > Although 2 weeks ago I managed to get out with my Koni. But, no amazing > images to report on. I haven't even processed the film...'cause I haven't > finished either roll. > > For printer equipment: > Epson 1270 and Epson 785 EPX > Epson Premium Semigloss is favorite paper so far. Use Epson inks only. > > But have discovered Eckerd's Fuji Frontier (also at some Ritz/Wolf, Walmart > and Sam's. I like dotphoto.com as well - signed up as "pro" to get good > deals. Now, I only use inkjet when I'm in a hurry. > > For scanners: > Epson 2450 (flatbed - good for med. format film) > Minolta Dimage Scan Dual (35mm film scanner) > > Flash: > Sunpak 555 (I love this flash and use it to bounce light frequently) > Vivitar 283 (kind-of new for me and not as liked as the Sunpak) > Canon 540 EZ (My intelligent dedicated flash. It's much smarter than me so I > put it on automatic. I also use Quantum battery pack) > > Alien Bee 1600 monolight (plan on getting more in the future - really > great!!!) > Pocket Wizard transmitter and receiver (very cool) > > I haven't set up my darkroom since Sept. of last year. Most images are > processed on the computer. I like having more control and spending less > time...and I don't have to clean my bathroom before and after each darkroom > use! > > I kind-of miss the darkroom...and I will bring it back out when I finally > get a good enough negative or two. > > Oh yeah, I use a Beseler 23CII enlarger... > > > Barbara > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On > > Behalf Of jim-seaman@attbi.com > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:22 AM > > To: koml@koni-omega.org > > Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... > > > > > > Hello, > > > (SNIP) > > > > What's everyone else got in their camera bags? I ask because its > > interesting > > to see what else they use on a regular basis. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jim Seaman > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 28 13:55:13 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 8:55:13 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: <20030128135515.HCA7073.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Hi, Jim, That's what I did. I saved my money and bought the 135 first. And I use it a lot. And they are coming down in price, too. They used to regularly go for over $500 (I'm talking mint ones), but I got mine for a little under $400 if I remember right, and I've seen them go now for a little less than that. Then I picked up a mint 180, but haven't really put it to use yet. Best, Barry > > From: "Jim Seaman" > Date: 2003/01/28 Tue AM 12:55:47 EST > To: > Subject: RE: [KOML] Another new guy... > > Well, it looks like I will fit in (with ecclectic camera gear, anyway!)... > Even some others who like the Moskva (aka Moskow 2 and 5). Hoping to get > some more time to run some film through the KO. Lots of family stuff going > on right now so creative photography is pushed off for a few more days. > > I've almost talked myself out of the 180, after reading the discussions... > That's a LONG minimum focus distance... Maybe I should save my money for > the 135... > > Regards, > > Jim > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jan 28 16:44:10 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Martyn, Rick) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:44:10 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: I am not very experienced with scanning, but I did buy an Epson 2400 = last year so I have some experience with it. =20 I believe that it REALLY only scans at 2400 dpi (or spi - whatever), = 3200 or 4800 is interpolated (i.e. made up). I tried some test scans = (on negatives) comparing 2400 and 4800, and the 4800 scan had no = additional detail. The difference between 1200 and 2400 was = significant, so I always use 2400. =20 I recently sprung for the larger transparency adapter to scan 120 negs. = The included 35mm unit is a bit too narrow for 120, although I read that = you can get it to work (you just miss some of each neg). I have really = been enjoying scanning 120 negs with this. You do get big files though = (around 100 MB for color!), so you may run into memory problems. =20 I was given a Epson 820 for printing (cost about $90 - $100), and I am = quite impressed with the quality of color 8x10 I can make by scanning a = 120 neg, adjusting color balance and contrast in Photoshop Elements 2.0, = and printing with the 820. That brings up another point, the Epson 2400 = came with Adobe Photoshop Elements 1.0. If you call Adobe and ask, they = will give you a free upgrade to 2.0 for just the shipping cost ($5.95). = A VERY informative site on "How to Scan" can be found at: http://www.scantips.com/ Hope this helps. Let me know if I can help on any other Epson 2400 = questions. Rick M. -----Original Message----- From: Barry F [mailto:afs760bf@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:50 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: RE: [KOML] Another new guy... Hey, Barbara, I just bought an Epson 2400 scanner, which if I am told right, is the = same machine as the 2450, but with only USB. It comes with a holder for = 35mm negs and slides. It says that there is an optional plate for 4"X5" = transparencies. Do you have that? I was wondering if I could put the = medium format negs under the light and have it work. Haven't had it = long enough to get into the details. I may need more memory (I have = 128meg of RAM) before I can use it for film. How about a scanning = tutorial. It also says it's a 4800dpi scanner, but the highest = recommended scanning resolution is 3200. What's with that? I love = showing my ignorance. Best, Barry >=20 > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > Date: 2003/01/27 Mon PM 05:43:08 EST > To: "'koml@koni-omega.org'" > Subject: RE: [KOML] Another new guy... >=20 > Besides my Koni 200 I have: > Olympus E-20N (5 mp digital, SLR-ish) > Canon EOS A5 (Japanese A2E) > Canon EOS Elan II > Bronica ETRS > Holga (for fun, used twice) >=20 > On a regular basis, I have to confess that I use the Oly. E-20N = digital. No > film expense. > Although 2 weeks ago I managed to get out with my Koni. But, no = amazing > images to report on. I haven't even processed the film...'cause I = haven't > finished either roll. >=20 > For printer equipment: > Epson 1270 and Epson 785 EPX > Epson Premium Semigloss is favorite paper so far. Use Epson inks only. >=20 > But have discovered Eckerd's Fuji Frontier (also at some Ritz/Wolf, = Walmart > and Sam's. I like dotphoto.com as well - signed up as "pro" to get = good > deals. Now, I only use inkjet when I'm in a hurry. >=20 > For scanners: > Epson 2450 (flatbed - good for med. format film) > Minolta Dimage Scan Dual (35mm film scanner) >=20 > Flash: > Sunpak 555 (I love this flash and use it to bounce light frequently) > Vivitar 283 (kind-of new for me and not as liked as the Sunpak) > Canon 540 EZ (My intelligent dedicated flash. It's much smarter than = me so I > put it on automatic. I also use Quantum battery pack) >=20 > Alien Bee 1600 monolight (plan on getting more in the future - really > great!!!) > Pocket Wizard transmitter and receiver (very cool) >=20 > I haven't set up my darkroom since Sept. of last year. Most images are > processed on the computer. I like having more control and spending = less > time...and I don't have to clean my bathroom before and after each = darkroom > use! >=20 > I kind-of miss the darkroom...and I will bring it back out when I = finally > get a good enough negative or two. >=20 > Oh yeah, I use a Beseler 23CII enlarger... >=20 >=20 > Barbara > =20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On > > Behalf Of jim-seaman@attbi.com > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:22 AM > > To: koml@koni-omega.org > > Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... > >=20 > >=20 > > Hello, > >=20 > (SNIP) > >=20 > > What's everyone else got in their camera bags? I ask because its > > interesting > > to see what else they use on a regular basis. > >=20 > > Regards, > >=20 > > Jim Seaman > >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml >=20 _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 30 14:48:53 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:48:53 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5CC@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Sorry to get back to y'all so late. Apparently I either have strep throat...or a bone stuck in my throat and it's decaying... I guess I'll find out today when I go to the doctor. I have 76 emails in my inbox so bear with me if this has already been talked about. I'm actually rather happy with my Epson 2450. These past couple days that I've been home allowed me to play with it. I started with a medium format negative and cropped a little portion of it, but scanned it 1:1 but I was one setting below the highest setting. The highest setting would have yielded a 1.1 gig file. I opted for the 600 megs (I think that's what it started out as). After messing about with the image in Photoshop, my file did increase to over a gig (1.4 gigs). I think it took about twelve minutes just to save. I got sick of dealing with the long time it took to do anything on the computer and sized it to 8 x 10 at 360 dpi or ppi. I am very pleased with my image now. That Epson has already made up it's cost. Considering that it cost about $25 to scan in a med. format negative here in Houston at a pro lab. I've already scanned in a lot. It's paid for itself and then some. It's rescued me from a wedding. I shot the posed portraits (family and wedding party) with the strobe directly behing me. I swear I even bounced it, but I managed to get my shadow in all the pictures in which I had to stand on a chair. Not a strong shadow, but enough to make a wedding dress look dirty. So I had to scan in all the negs with that problem. Made it nice having that capability. I fixed them in photoshop (which I'm still learning). And had them printed on the Fuji Frontier and you wouldn't know there was a problem with them! So yes, I don't regret buying the 2450. It's one of the best purchases I've made. I'm not familiar with it's replacement, but if it's only a few months then I guess I'd hold out. I guess the reason I'm not familiar with it's replacement because I've actually been happy with the one I have. I wonder how they can improve it? The two items that I have that go with the 2450 is monitor wipes (which I use on the glass of the 2450) and an air canister to blow off the dust on the negs. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Bill Barton [mailto:wbill@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:41 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] Another new guy... Barbara, How do you like your epson 2450, I am holding out for the replacement 3200 when it comes out in the next two months. I have a 1160 and a C80 printers and just a Agfa e50 flat bed scanner that lets me play with some Panoramic slides in 35 and is ok to make some 5x7's from 35 mm stuff. bill _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 30 15:07:15 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:07:15 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5CD@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Um...wow I'm feeling pretty ignorant right about now too. I can only answer one question with absolute certanty. Yes, I have the holders for 4x5 transparencies...but it's of no use since I don't have a 4x5 camera yet....I have two boxes of expired 4x5 film that I got for free...just waiting on the camera. Although my med. fomat holder is on the same holder as the 4x5 holder. I think my 2450 is USB. I'm pretty sure it is. I have lot's of USB devices. I have two hubs that hold 4 USB devices each and it's full. That's with only one printer cable plugged in. I swap the cable between the two printers. You might try using painters tape (???? somebody else might know the right tape term) to hold down your med. format neg....but I don't know how you'd get it to focus at the right spot. Unless it's autofocus...or does it even work that way? Now I'm really showing my ignorance. I think mine goes to 9600...I don't know what the recommended is though. (Now I see that I'm not done in my research). I do know that my pentium 177, 256 blah blah blah is too slow for one notch below the highest setting. The highest setting yields a 1.1 gig file... I guess in my mind that if it's capable of going to 9600 or whatever then why not? But, I guess it's like having a sports car. Maybe just 'cause you can go 230 or 250 mph, maybe you just shouldn't do it all the time???? Nah, that's not it! I have also used the Silver Fast software that came with the 2450, but I'm discovering I like the Epson twain driver just as much if not more. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Barry F [mailto:afs760bf@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:50 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: RE: [KOML] Another new guy... Hey, Barbara, I just bought an Epson 2400 scanner, which if I am told right, is the same machine as the 2450, but with only USB. It comes with a holder for 35mm negs and slides. It says that there is an optional plate for 4"X5" transparencies. Do you have that? I was wondering if I could put the medium format negs under the light and have it work. Haven't had it long enough to get into the details. I may need more memory (I have 128meg of RAM) before I can use it for film. How about a scanning tutorial. It also says it's a 4800dpi scanner, but the highest recommended scanning resolution is 3200. What's with that? I love showing my ignorance. Best, Barry > > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > Date: 2003/01/27 Mon PM 05:43:08 EST > To: "'koml@koni-omega.org'" > Subject: RE: [KOML] Another new guy... > > Besides my Koni 200 I have: > Olympus E-20N (5 mp digital, SLR-ish) > Canon EOS A5 (Japanese A2E) > Canon EOS Elan II > Bronica ETRS > Holga (for fun, used twice) > > On a regular basis, I have to confess that I use the Oly. E-20N digital. No > film expense. > Although 2 weeks ago I managed to get out with my Koni. But, no amazing > images to report on. I haven't even processed the film...'cause I haven't > finished either roll. > > For printer equipment: > Epson 1270 and Epson 785 EPX > Epson Premium Semigloss is favorite paper so far. Use Epson inks only. > > But have discovered Eckerd's Fuji Frontier (also at some Ritz/Wolf, Walmart > and Sam's. I like dotphoto.com as well - signed up as "pro" to get good > deals. Now, I only use inkjet when I'm in a hurry. > > For scanners: > Epson 2450 (flatbed - good for med. format film) > Minolta Dimage Scan Dual (35mm film scanner) > > Flash: > Sunpak 555 (I love this flash and use it to bounce light frequently) > Vivitar 283 (kind-of new for me and not as liked as the Sunpak) > Canon 540 EZ (My intelligent dedicated flash. It's much smarter than me so I > put it on automatic. I also use Quantum battery pack) > > Alien Bee 1600 monolight (plan on getting more in the future - really > great!!!) > Pocket Wizard transmitter and receiver (very cool) > > I haven't set up my darkroom since Sept. of last year. Most images are > processed on the computer. I like having more control and spending less > time...and I don't have to clean my bathroom before and after each darkroom > use! > > I kind-of miss the darkroom...and I will bring it back out when I finally > get a good enough negative or two. > > Oh yeah, I use a Beseler 23CII enlarger... > > > Barbara > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On > > Behalf Of jim-seaman@attbi.com > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:22 AM > > To: koml@koni-omega.org > > Subject: [KOML] Another new guy... > > > > > > Hello, > > > (SNIP) > > > > What's everyone else got in their camera bags? I ask because its > > interesting > > to see what else they use on a regular basis. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jim Seaman > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Feb 2 20:56:01 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Bill Barton) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 15:56:01 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy has brain fart!!! References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8EF5C1@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> <3E3097CD.30908@bellatlantic.net> <3E30B605.F826847C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3E3D85E1.1060702@bellatlantic.net> Well I thought I would give everyone a laugh for the day. First time in the past couple of weeks since I got my RO-100 that the sun was really out and I did not have a cold. So I said it was time to really put some film through the camera. I called up a buddy and said lets use these cameras we own, we got together and I was showing him proudly my "new to me" RO-100 and then tried to load the camera backwards. I guess being so used to other MF cameras where I always look at the back of the film instead of the front when loading I sat and stared for about 5 min before I could figure out why the film would not line up with the start dot. Well at last six rolls later all ends well, but boy did I feel really STUPID!!!!! BILL From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Feb 3 16:48:23 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Martyn, Rick) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:48:23 -0800 Subject: [KOML] new guy has brain fart!!! Message-ID: "Old habits die hard" -----Original Message----- From: Bill Barton [mailto:wbill@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:56 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] new guy has brain fart!!! Well I thought I would give everyone a laugh for the day. First time in=20 snip proudly my "new to me" RO-100 and then=20 tried to load the camera backwards. I guess being so used to other MF cameras where I always look at the back of the film instead of the=20 front when loading I sat and stared for about 5 min before I could=20 figure out why the film would not line up with the start dot. Well at last six rolls later all ends well, but boy did I feel really=20 STUPID!!!!! BILL _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Feb 3 18:28:17 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:28:17 -0500 Subject: [KOML] new guy has brain fart!!! Message-ID: <20030203182818.JMKD8513.lakemtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> There are lots of stupid stories with RO cameras. Many have to do with leaving the dark slide in after changing lenses, or not taking it out in the first place. Then there's always the lens cap. Best, Barry > > From: Bill Barton > Date: 2003/02/02 Sun PM 03:56:01 EST > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: Re: [KOML] new guy has brain fart!!! > > Well I thought I would give everyone a laugh for the day. First time in > the past couple of weeks since I got my RO-100 that the sun was really > out and I did not have a cold. So I said it was time to really put some > film through the camera. > > I called up a buddy and said lets use these cameras we own, we got > together and I was showing him proudly my "new to me" RO-100 and then > tried to load the camera backwards. I guess being so used to other > MF cameras where I always look at the back of the film instead of the > front when loading I sat and stared for about 5 min before I could > figure out why the film would not line up with the start dot. > > Well at last six rolls later all ends well, but boy did I feel really > STUPID!!!!! > > BILL > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Feb 5 20:55:42 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:55:42 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Scanning Message-ID: <20030205205543.QWXW27253.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Greetings: A few messages ago, we had been discussing scanning a little bit. I had just purchased an Epson 2400, which I am told is the same as the 2450 as far as capabilities, but it only has USB. Anyway, I have played with it a little bit and I am impressed. I had bought a Visioneer scanner about six months ago that came with Photoshop Elements and said it would scan slides and negs. It locked up my PC while trying to install, and I never could get it to scan a slide so I could tell it was a picture. I took it back. The 2400 installed easily. The smart scanner screen, or whatever you call it, is confusing and doesn't work too well. All the defaults are set up for automatic operation - automatic preview, automatic scan, etc. First thing I had to figure out was to turn all that auto stuff OFF. Every time I tried to scan a 120 neg from my Koni (see, this is KONI related) it would tell me it couldn't find the film. But if you turn all the auto stuff off, you can pre-scan, find what you want to scan, outline it, and then scan manually. I made some images from scanned negs. I'll upload one to the forum later - I'm not at my home computer now. I know you can pay four grand for a film scanner, but for my purposes, I don't see how I could get much better value than this. If I don't want to go over eight by ten (my printer won't do that, anyway) then this will work fine. I can scan at 1600ppi and enlarge to 300dpi at 4X6 or 8X10 for printing and it does great, and it's nice and sharp. I can scan at 2400 or 4800, but I only have 128meg of RAM, and my machine tends to lock up. Obviously, I'm needing a new computer (looking for some justification) if I'm going to print 16X24. Anyway, if anyone has any scanning tricks, I'm listening. Now I also could use that Olympus dye-sub printer that Barbara wants. Did you get that yet? Best, Barry From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Feb 5 21:16:43 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:16:43 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Scanning Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E180579@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Nope, and I'm not going to get that Polaroid dye sub. I already have the two Epsons....and I've recently discovered Walmart! 8 x 10 for less that $3. Can't beat that! My next big purchase will be another alien bee 1600 strobe...and possibly a light panel translucent box thingy that goes over the light. Oh yeah, and slide show software...and frames software.... I went to www.drycreekphoto.com where they have some fuji/noritsu profiles. That's also a great site to help you learn about color calibrating and profiles. I'm getting pretty close to what's on my monitor. I profile my monitor every couple of weeks it seems. It doesn't change much either. As far as scanning tip on the Epson; I don't use that automatic feature - quick scan - or whatever it is either. I felt the same way about it as you do. I had a hard time understanding the Epson Twain so I use the SilverFast software which also came with the scanner. I was impressed 'cause you can even tell it what brand (Kodak, Fuji, Ilford, etc.) and model (tmax, gold, etc) film. Now, I've gone back to trying the Epson twain as an experiment. I don't understand how I didn't understand it before! It seems easy now. But, I have much to learn. That scanner is definitely a good purchase. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Barry F [mailto:afs760bf@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:56 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Scanning Greetings: A few messages ago, we had been discussing scanning a little bit. I had just purchased an Epson 2400, which I am told is the same as the 2450 as far as capabilities, but it only has USB. Anyway, I have played with it a little bit and I am impressed. I had bought a Visioneer scanner about six months ago that came with Photoshop Elements and said it would scan slides and negs. It locked up my PC while trying to install, and I never could get it to scan a slide so I could tell it was a picture. I took it back. The 2400 installed easily. The smart scanner screen, or whatever you call it, is confusing and doesn't work too well. All the defaults are set up for automatic operation - automatic preview, automatic scan, etc. First thing I had to figure out was to turn all that auto stuff OFF. Every time I tried to scan a 120 neg from my Koni (see, this is KONI related) it would tell me it couldn't find the film. But if you turn all the auto stuff off, you can pre-scan, find what you want to scan, outline it, and then scan manually. I made some images from scanned negs. I'll upload one to the forum later - I'm not at my home computer now. I know you can pay four grand for a film scanner, but for my purposes, I don't see how I could get much better value than this. If I don't want to go over eight by ten (my printer won't do that, anyway) then this will work fine. I can scan at 1600ppi and enlarge to 300dpi at 4X6 or 8X10 for printing and it does great, and it's nice and sharp. I can scan at 2400 or 4800, but I only have 128meg of RAM, and my machine tends to lock up. Obviously, I'm needing a new computer (looking for some justification) if I'm going to print 16X24. Anyway, if anyone has any scanning tricks, I'm listening. Now I also could use that Olympus dye-sub printer that Barbara wants. Did you get that yet? Best, Barry _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Feb 6 00:44:53 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 19:44:53 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Scanning Message-ID: <2639E97E.2FD57BC7.0D149C81@netscape.net> I tried the silver wire do dad for a while but found it lacking.then when I went back to use it I found it must have been a trial version since there is writing on it that interfers with my finished scan.is this normal?also when I scan the image I usually do a 6x7 neg at around 300 dpi & am happy with the 8x10 prints.someone said they do it at full 24oo.that takes forever & the files are so large they are unmanagable.what settings do most of you use for 8x10 prints on 35mm,120 & 4x5 ? I was happy with my results but am not a computer junkie who understands all of the processes involved. chip renner __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Feb 6 14:35:00 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 9:35:00 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Scanning Message-ID: <20030206143501.WAYU27253.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Speaking of Walmart's three dollar 8X10's, the Sam's Club just a couple of miles from me has installed a Fuji Frontier. I took the pictures that my son and his fiancee are going to send out with their wedding announcements. Used Photoshop to clean them up (remove shadows, film marks, etc), put them on a disc and took them there. That's a great machine. I did a few 8X10's and a bunch of 8-up wallets on 8X10 sheets. $1.96 per 8X10 sheet. And the pictures look as good as if I'd paid fifteen bucks a sheet. I'm sold. So I guess I won't need that fancy printer, either. Best, Barry > > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > Date: 2003/02/05 Wed PM 04:16:43 EST > To: "'koml@koni-omega.org'" > Subject: RE: [KOML] Scanning > > Nope, and I'm not going to get that Polaroid dye sub. I already have the two From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Feb 6 14:56:41 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 9:56:41 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Scanning Message-ID: <20030206145642.FVBH14046.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Well, I don't know what a "silver-wire do-dad" is, but I don't guess I use one. As for scanning resolution, photo quality for PRINTING is 300DPI. I don't think you get any better quality from a printer, and some give you less. I believe the dye-sub printers use 300dpi for photos. So, whatever the size of my negative, I scan to get 300DPI for however many inches I'm going to print. For an 8X10, I need 2400X3000 pixels (DPI in printer lingo). For a 120 neg, that's about 1200 dpi at the scanner. If you're only going to print a 4X6, you only need 1200X1800 pixels. If you're going to print an 8X10 from a slide, you'll need to scan at about 2400 to get enough pixels. That's why you need pro scans to print 24X36, because you need to scan a slide at about 7200dpi to get there. Some printers won't show much difference between 200 and 300dpi, but some will. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Doesn't mean it's necessarily the best way. But it doesn't do any good to scan at a higher DPI than you need for print, because you just lose it when sizing the image. If you only want to display the image on a monitor or the web, about 150DPI is plenty. Best, Barry > > From: PinholeRenner@netscape.net > Date: 2003/02/05 Wed PM 07:44:53 EST > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: RE: [KOML] Scanning > > I tried the silver wire do dad for a while but found it lacking.then when I went back to use it I found it must have been a trial version since there is writing on it that interfers with my finished scan.is this normal?also when I scan the image I usually do a 6x7 neg at around 300 dpi & am happy with the 8x10 prints.someone said they do it at full 24oo.that takes forever & the files are so large they are unmanagable.what settings do most of you use for 8x10 prints on 35mm,120 & 4x5 ? > I was happy with my results but am not a computer junkie who understands all of the processes involved. > chip renner > > __________________________________________________________________ > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Feb 13 17:21:52 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:21:52 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Odd email with KOML in the heading. Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E18059A@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> I had just sent an email to the Koni group. Everything seemed to go smoothly. I even got my email back to me (happens after I send it 'cause I don't exclude myself). But, then I get an "Auto Reply Acknowledgement" with the "[KOML] handholding (#6932-000152-1688\152168)" as the subject. This auto reply seems to have nothing to do with the Koni list. It's from Doman Direct Client Services and seems to be about website services and pricing. And it's implying that I emailed them with a question. Anybody else get this? Barbara From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Feb 14 02:35:41 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:35:41 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Odd email with KOML in the heading. References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E18059A@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: <3E4C55FD.A8322A5E@earthlink.net> This has also happened on a couple other discussion groups I belong to....seems the spammers are becoming a little more sophisticated in attempting to infiltrate these groups, using existing subject headings to outsmart spam filters.Just delete `em. Robert Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: > I had just sent an email to the Koni group. Everything seemed to go > smoothly. I even got my email back to me (happens after I send it 'cause I > don't exclude myself). > > But, then I get an "Auto Reply Acknowledgement" with the "[KOML] handholding > (#6932-000152-1688\152168)" as the subject. > This auto reply seems to have nothing to do with the Koni list. It's from > Doman Direct Client Services and seems to be about website services and > pricing. And it's implying that I emailed them with a question. > > Anybody else get this? > > Barbara > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Feb 16 02:20:17 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (KOML Admin) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:20:17 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Odd email with KOML in the heading. In-Reply-To: <3E4C55FD.A8322A5E@earthlink.net> References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E18059A@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> <3E4C55FD.A8322A5E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 9:35 pm -0500 13/2/03, Nancy Brown wrote: >Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: snip > > But, then I get an "Auto Reply Acknowledgement" with the "[KOML] >handholding >> (#6932-000152-1688\152168)" as the subject. >> This auto reply seems to have nothing to do with the Koni list. It's from >> Doman Direct Client Services and seems to be about website services and >> pricing. And it's implying that I emailed them with a question. >> > > Anybody else get this? > >This has also happened on a couple other discussion groups I belong >to....seems >the spammers are becoming a little more sophisticated in attempting to >infiltrate these groups, using existing subject headings to outsmart spam >filters.Just delete `em. > >Robert As Robert suggests, it is the spammers at work again. One day they'll read the market research reports that describe how spam alienates potential buyers of their products. Any spam sent to the list is blocked and reported to the owners of the mail server and several other interested bodies who are logging all spam for the time that these people will become accountable for their actions. The KOML server will only accept mail from subscribers who provide a valid EMail address. Spammers invariably use spoof addresses. Regards, KOML Admin -- All the best, Clive http://www.f32.net From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Feb 16 18:23:15 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (M Melton) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:23:15 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Odd email with KOML in the heading. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Barbara, I've never seen what you're describing. My ISP may be blocking it. Maurice -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of KOML Admin Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:20 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] Odd email with KOML in the heading. At 9:35 pm -0500 13/2/03, Nancy Brown wrote: >Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: snip > > But, then I get an "Auto Reply Acknowledgement" with the "[KOML] >handholding >> (#6932-000152-1688\152168)" as the subject. >> This auto reply seems to have nothing to do with the Koni list. It's from >> Doman Direct Client Services and seems to be about website services and >> pricing. And it's implying that I emailed them with a question. >> > > Anybody else get this? > >This has also happened on a couple other discussion groups I belong >to....seems >the spammers are becoming a little more sophisticated in attempting to >infiltrate these groups, using existing subject headings to outsmart spam >filters.Just delete `em. > >Robert As Robert suggests, it is the spammers at work again. One day they'll read the market research reports that describe how spam alienates potential buyers of their products. Any spam sent to the list is blocked and reported to the owners of the mail server and several other interested bodies who are logging all spam for the time that these people will become accountable for their actions. The KOML server will only accept mail from subscribers who provide a valid EMail address. Spammers invariably use spoof addresses. Regards, KOML Admin -- All the best, Clive http://www.f32.net _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Mar 2 18:07:07 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:07:07 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Spring has Sprung! Message-ID: Well at least today it is not raining here in sunny England. Thought I'ld drop a quick note to the list. Most of you are probably aware of the KOMF, that is the Discussion Forum available to Koni and Rapid Omega users where you can also post your 6x7 photos. The Forum is staying on-line at http://www.koni-omega.org/discus/ but you will have to use it to justify its continued existence. The list of course goes on from strength to strength - I think we even had a post last last month ;-) Hope you are all well and enjoying the change in the weather. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Mar 2 19:43:48 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Thomas Bogdan) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 20:43:48 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Spring has Sprung! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Clive Warren02.03.2003 19:07 Uhr > Well at least today it is not raining here in sunny England. Thought > I'ld drop a quick note to the list. Most of you are probably aware of > the KOMF, that is the Discussion Forum available to Koni and Rapid > Omega users where you can also post your 6x7 photos. The Forum is > staying on-line at http://www.koni-omega.org/discus/ but you will > have to use it to justify its continued existence. > > The list of course goes on from strength to strength - I think we > even had a post last last month ;-) > > Hope you are all well and enjoying the change in the weather. > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml Hey, didn't know about that forum - great! So I will have a longer look at it soon, maybe try to post myself..? Tmas From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 3 01:14:42 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 01:14:42 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Spring has Sprung! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:43 pm +0100 2/3/03, Thomas Bogdan wrote: >Clive Warren02.03.2003 19:07 Uhr > >> Well at least today it is not raining here in sunny England. Thought >> I'ld drop a quick note to the list. Most of you are probably aware of >> the KOMF, that is the Discussion Forum available to Koni and Rapid >> Omega users where you can also post your 6x7 photos. The Forum is >> staying on-line at http://www.koni-omega.org/discus/ but you will > > have to use it to justify its continued existence. snip >Hey, >didn't know about that forum - great! >So I will have a longer look at it soon, maybe try to post myself..? > >Tmas Tmas, Yes, you can post as a guest or simply sign-up and take advantage of all the facilities including notifications when there is something new that is of interest to you. There are some great photos up there and am looking forward to seeing more KO and RO photos. The original e-Classifieds has also been upgraded and is now sitting here waiting for people to post their wants and items for sale - http://koniomega.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Mar 12 14:21:07 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (KOML Admin) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:21:07 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Searching and Accessing KO Knowledge Message-ID: The KO search engine has just been updated and an access point made from the KO Web site Home Page http://www.koni-omega.org/. The search engine will eventually search the mailing list archives of this list, in addition to the Forum at http://www.koni-omega.org/discus/ and the old mailing list archives that are currently included. It is all working perfectly so please use and enjoy! Always a good place to start looking for an answer to a question and then perhaps follow up here or on the Disussion Forum. Regards, KOML Admin From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Mar 13 01:47:07 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:47:07 +0000 Subject: [KOML] List Matters Message-ID: The list has been misbehaving itself at the weekend - well I guess we all need to have some fun.... Anyway, all is now well and everything is back to normal. I am posting this really just to let you know. Well we need some traffic to keep the list alive! Guess you have all been out there with your cameras or spending the small hours in the darkroom. I have been tapping away on this keyboard for the last week or so updating the web site and upgrading various bits and pieces. The Forum is fairly active right now and it's good to see some photos being posted. Anyway, hope you are all enjoying yourselves - very little KO content in this post so will close now and wish you all good light. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Mar 16 18:51:54 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:51:54 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Tumbleweeds Message-ID: Dear All, I hope the silence on the list is a result of you all being out there with your cameras and not having the time to post anything KOML related! Just a quick reality test as I watch the tumbleweeds drift by. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Mar 16 20:22:50 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (M Melton) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:22:50 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Tumbleweeds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Spring has sprung, the grass is green and Scouting has kicked in fulltime with events every weekend and most nights. Don't know about everyone else, but there isn't enough hours in the day to get things done. One thing I do know is a Rapid M and backpacking don't mix for me. By the way just lost the battle on doing portraits for a BSA Troop with my M to a $100.00 digital and an Epson Printer. I can do them of less than the digital, BUT "it's old technology" and I can't hand out the "pictures" right then. Anybody have a decent response to this argument? Later, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Clive Warren Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:52 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Tumbleweeds Dear All, I hope the silence on the list is a result of you all being out there with your cameras and not having the time to post anything KOML related! Just a quick reality test as I watch the tumbleweeds drift by. Cheers, Clive _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Mar 16 19:27:15 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Thomas Bogdan) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:27:15 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Tumbleweeds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Clive Warren16.03.2003 19:51 Uhr > Dear All, > > I hope the silence on the list is a result of you all being out there > with your cameras and not having the time to post anything KOML > related! > > Just a quick reality test as I watch the tumbleweeds drift by. > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml Hi Clive, to answer the (muted) question: I would be glad to be out and use my cameras, but in fact my profession as a musician and my family do demand their part of the spare time of 24 hours a day... Well KOML related ... I do like my koni a lot, and even more so, when I happen to see a Hasselblad in my local dealers window, as i did just two hours ago, when I left my theatre. I do like rangefinder-focusing much more than this turning back and forth and again.. untill I hope to be in focus with groundglass. So it is a double joy to have the quality of a H. combined with this advantage for the price of a H's 120-back... My part to save the list with thoughts that right now came across my mind! Best, Tmas BTW, what are tumbleweeds? From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 17 03:48:03 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff McAuliffe) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:48:03 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Tumbleweeds References: Message-ID: <3E754573.51E59235@optonline.net> What will those digital pictures look like in 10 years? In 25 years? When a scout wants to show his grandchildren what it was like in the "old days"? Or you can have your picture in 5 minutes. The customer gets to choose. Geoff McAuliffe Piscataway, New Jersey Koni-Omega, Mamiya TLR, Rolleiflex and Speed Graphic guy. M Melton wrote: > Spring has sprung, the grass is green and Scouting has kicked in fulltime > with events every weekend and most nights. Don't know about everyone else, > but there isn't enough hours in the day to get things done. One thing I do > know is a Rapid M and backpacking don't mix for me. By the way just lost > the battle on doing portraits for a BSA Troop with my M to a $100.00 digital > and an Epson Printer. I can do them of less than the digital, BUT "it's old > technology" and I can't hand out the "pictures" right then. Anybody have a > decent response to this argument? > > Later, > > Maurice From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 17 19:44:37 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jack Fallon) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:44:37 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Tumbleweeds References: <3E754573.51E59235@optonline.net> Message-ID: <002a01c2ecbd$a5354120$7fb3fea9@watavue> Geoff..I don't know how old you are...but I remember when Dr. Land invented the Polaroid Land Camera and everybody just had to have one. Why...did you know that it was going to put Kodak out of business!!! NEVER HAPPENED!! Smilin' Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff McAuliffe" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Tumbleweeds > What will those digital pictures look like in 10 years? In 25 years? When a > scout wants to show his grandchildren what it was like in the "old days"? Or you > can have your picture in 5 minutes. The customer gets to choose. > > Geoff McAuliffe > Piscataway, New Jersey > Koni-Omega, Mamiya TLR, Rolleiflex and Speed Graphic guy. > > M Melton wrote: > > > Spring has sprung, the grass is green and Scouting has kicked in fulltime > > with events every weekend and most nights. Don't know about everyone else, > > but there isn't enough hours in the day to get things done. One thing I do > > know is a Rapid M and backpacking don't mix for me. By the way just lost > > the battle on doing portraits for a BSA Troop with my M to a $100.00 digital > > and an Epson Printer. I can do them of less than the digital, BUT "it's old > > technology" and I can't hand out the "pictures" right then. Anybody have a > > decent response to this argument? > > > > Later, > > > > Maurice > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 17 17:11:31 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:11:31 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds In-Reply-To: <002a01c2ecbd$a5354120$7fb3fea9@watavue> Message-ID: Jack Fallon wrote: > Geoff..I don't know how old you are...but I remember when Dr. Land invented > the Polaroid Land Camera and everybody just had to have one. Why...did you > know that it was going to put Kodak out of business!!! NEVER HAPPENED!! Except our film choices are being eroded dramatically. I cannot get any color for my 2-1/3 x 3-1/4 Speed; 127 Super Slides are history, Verichrome Ortho and Pan are gone, and there are useful emulsions I wish I had in 120 that are not available... Yes, good old organic film will be with us for a long time but our options and choices will likely continue to diminish, which is not a great thing... With regard to digital archiving and what prints will look like in 10 years, I would ask another essential question: how will the digital files survive? No responsible archivist or curator will touch digital storage mediums; the Library of Congress is trying to find a way to wrestle with files which were created digitally with a mandate from Congress... There are massive problems with storing files on media which only have a useful life of 10ish years... I will guarantee you this... for the foreseeable future digital life will not be a fraction of the 150+ year life of civil war glass plates, Dags and the 100+ year life of prints... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 17 16:31:26 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Martyn, Rick) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:31:26 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Backpacking MF Message-ID: Maurice, Sorry about the BSA troop portraits. Unfortunately, I think that when = immediacy is more important than quality, digital with on the spot = printer, will win out. With regards to the difficulty of bringing your Rapid M backpacking, I = agree that it weighs just a BIT too much to be practical. If you have = never tried an old medium format folder, you might want to give it a go. = I have been able to get several old Zeiss-Ikon Nettars for around $30, = and have been VERY impressed with the quality of the photos. The = Nettars are MUCH less expensive than the Super Ikontas due to their lack = of rangefinder (must guess focus) and use of less expensive triplet = lenses (compared to the Tessars found on Super Ikontas). You can get = great condition, 50's era, Nettars in 6x6 and 6x9 format that fold up to = about the size of a large 35mm body without lens. The triplet lenses = are quite sharp if you use them well stopped down (f11 or f16). For = distant scenes the guess focus works fine (tougher for portraits = though). Sorry this has gotten a bit off-topic, but I am just so amazed = at the quality photos I have gotten with my Nettars, for the very cheap = price. Rick Martyn -----Original Message----- From: M Melton [mailto:memelton@bigfoot.com] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:23 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: RE: [KOML] Tumbleweeds Spring has sprung, the grass is green and Scouting has kicked in = fulltime with events every weekend and most nights. Don't know about everyone = else, but there isn't enough hours in the day to get things done. One thing I = do know is a Rapid M and backpacking don't mix for me. By the way just = lost the battle on doing portraits for a BSA Troop with my M to a $100.00 = digital and an Epson Printer. I can do them of less than the digital, BUT "it's = old technology" and I can't hand out the "pictures" right then. Anybody = have a decent response to this argument? Later, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Clive Warren From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 17 23:02:03 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:02:03 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Backpacking MF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Martyn, Rick wrote: > With regards to the difficulty of bringing your Rapid M backpacking, I agree > that it weighs just a BIT too much to be practical. If you have never tried > an old medium format folder, you might want to give it a go. I have been able > to get several old Zeiss-Ikon Nettars for around $30, and have been VERY > impressed with the quality of the photos. The Nettars are MUCH less expensive > than the Super Ikontas due to their lack of rangefinder (must guess focus) and > use of less expensive triplet lenses (compared to the Tessars found on Super > Ikontas). You can get great condition, 50's era, Nettars in 6x6 and 6x9 > format that fold up to about the size of a large 35mm body without lens. The > triplet lenses are quite sharp if you use them well stopped down (f11 or f16). > For distant scenes the guess focus works fine (tougher for portraits though). > Sorry this has gotten a bit off-topic, but I am just so amazed at the quality > photos I have gotten with my Nettars, for the very cheap price. This is good advice... you can also look for Agfa 69 folders with Apotars or Agnars (triplets) for short money; again no rangefinder, though small aux shoe-mounted rangefinders can be found in camera store junk-boxes for a couple of bucks... I have several... Also, triplets actually make nice portrait lenses shot open... they have that nice "smooth, yet sharp" quality which can be used to great advantage. Calibrate your focus with GG or wax paper at the film plain and Bob's Your Uncle... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Mar 18 07:14:07 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (R. J. Bender) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:14:07 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc References: Message-ID: <003101c2ed1d$f81d4ee0$3c2564ce@rjbender> Eric Goldstein wrote: > Except our film choices are being eroded dramatically. I cannot get any > color for my 2-1/3 x 3-1/4 Speed; 127 Super Slides are history, Verichrome > Ortho and Pan are gone, and there are useful emulsions I wish I had in 120 > that are not available... Hi Eric, Cheer up! Don't you have a Singer roll film back for your Speed Graphic? Super Slides? I use a Mamiya superslide cutter to cut 120 film down to 4 x 4. Just use a 58 mm on your Koni Omega and you will have close to a "normal" lens for the 127 film format. The 6 x 7 format also gives you room to crop that you don't have with 127 film. Gepe still makes superslide mounts. Last summer, I bought 5 boxes of Gepe Superslide mounts for $20 on Ebay. Check out these cool digital black and white filters for Photoshop: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0008/00082806silveroxide.asp http://www.silveroxide.com/Products.htm > Yes, good old organic film will be with us for a long time but our options > and choices will likely continue to diminish, which is not a great thing... Film emulsion is made with gelatin which comes from cattle bones and hides. I'd prefer an egg white emulsion because chickens aren't affected by Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy but I don't have time to make my own glass plates. > With regard to digital archiving and what prints will look like in 10 years, > I would ask another essential question: how will the digital files survive? > No responsible archivist or curator will touch digital storage mediums; the > Library of Congress is trying to find a way to wrestle with files which were > created digitally with a mandate from Congress... There are massive problems > with storing files on media which only have a useful life of 10ish years... Scan all your images and burn them on to DVD-Rs. Life expectancy of a DVD-R is up to 100 years. For added protection, make a back up copies of your DVDs every 50 years. R.J. Bender From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Mar 18 13:54:41 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:54:41 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc In-Reply-To: <003101c2ed1d$f81d4ee0$3c2564ce@rjbender> Message-ID: R. J. Bender wrote: > Eric Goldstein wrote: >=20 >> Except our film choices are being eroded dramatically. I cannot get any >> color for my 2-1/3 x 3-1/4 Speed; 127 Super Slides are history, Verichro= me >> Ortho and Pan are gone, and there are useful emulsions I wish I had in 1= 20 >> that are not available... >=20 > Hi Eric, > Cheer up! Don't you have a Singer roll film back for your Speed Graphic? I do Rich but not the same, especially for film flatness and zone system work... BTW I am cheerful as long as I have cameras to shoot and film to load... > Super Slides? I use a Rolleiflex T with superslide adapter. But the camera is MUCH larger... 127 was neat! > Film emulsion is made with gelatin which comes from cattle bones and > hides. I'd prefer an egg white emulsion because chickens aren't affected = by > Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy but I don't have time to make my own gla= ss > plates. LOL. Quite the film gelatin connoisseur you are... I'm coming to your house for dinner! We'll have some Delta 400 saut=E9ed in Xtol 1:3... > Scan all your images and burn them on to DVD-Rs. Life expectancy of a > DVD-R is up to 100 years. This is manufacturer propaganda. No magnetic or optical digital media is rated beyond 10-15 years by archivists... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Mar 19 17:47:30 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (R. J. Bender) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:47:30 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc References: Message-ID: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> Eric Goldstein wrote: >> Film emulsion is made with gelatin which comes from cattle bones and >>hides. I'd prefer an egg white emulsion because chickens aren't affected by >> Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy but I don't have time to make my own glass >> plates. >LOL. Quite the film gelatin connoisseur you are... I'm coming to your house >for dinner! We'll have some Delta 400 sautéed in Xtol 1:3. LOL. How about alphabet soup made with the numbers "0" and "1" and Jello for desert? The rendering process does not inactivate the prions believed to be the cause of this disease. With all the hype about today's film technology, it seems strange that it needs cow bones to make it all work. What happens to the developer and fixer after people pour these down their drains? What long term effects do these chemicals have on our health? Digital media doesn't have to deal with these issues. >> Scan all your images and burn them on to DVD-Rs. Life expectancy of a >> DVD-R is up to 100 years. >This is manufacturer propaganda. No magnetic or optical digital media is >rated beyond 10-15 years by archivists... Stone tablets beat them all! http://www.oit.umass.edu/publications/at_oit/Archive/fall98/media.html http://www.straightdope.com/columns/020816.html R.J. Bender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Goldstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc R. J. Bender wrote: > Eric Goldstein wrote: > >> Except our film choices are being eroded dramatically. I cannot get any >> color for my 2-1/3 x 3-1/4 Speed; 127 Super Slides are history, Verichrome >> Ortho and Pan are gone, and there are useful emulsions I wish I had in 120 >> that are not available... > > Hi Eric, > Cheer up! Don't you have a Singer roll film back for your Speed Graphic? I do Rich but not the same, especially for film flatness and zone system work... BTW I am cheerful as long as I have cameras to shoot and film to load... > Super Slides? I use a Rolleiflex T with superslide adapter. But the camera is MUCH larger... 127 was neat! > Film emulsion is made with gelatin which comes from cattle bones and > hides. I'd prefer an egg white emulsion because chickens aren't affected by > Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy but I don't have time to make my own glass > plates. LOL. Quite the film gelatin connoisseur you are... I'm coming to your house for dinner! We'll have some Delta 400 sautéed in Xtol 1:3... > Scan all your images and burn them on to DVD-Rs. Life expectancy of a > DVD-R is up to 100 years. This is manufacturer propaganda. No magnetic or optical digital media is rated beyond 10-15 years by archivists... Eric Goldstein _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Mar 20 04:02:36 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff McAuliffe) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:02:36 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> Message-ID: <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> Hmmm. "R. J. Bender" wrote: > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > >> Film emulsion is made with gelatin which comes from cattle bones and > >>hides. I'd prefer an egg white emulsion because chickens aren't affected > by Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy but I don't have time to make my own > glass plates. > > >LOL. Quite the film gelatin connoisseur you are... I'm coming to your house > >for dinner! We'll have some Delta 400 sautéed in Xtol 1:3. > > LOL. How about alphabet soup made with the numbers "0" and "1" and Jello > for desert? > > The rendering process does not inactivate the prions believed to be the > cause of this disease. Prions ARE the cause of the disease. > With all the hype about today's film technology, it > seems strange that it needs cow bones to make it all work. What happens to > the developer and fixer after people pour these down their drains? Are you suggesting that prions from film and paper are in our drinking water? That would be pretty easy to verify. > What long > term effects do these chemicals have on our health? Digital media doesn't > have to deal with these issues. Right. Computers and digital media are 100% environmentally friendly because their manufacture and use cause no polution. Geoff McAuliffe Piscataway, NJ From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Mar 20 20:19:10 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (R. J. Bender) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:19:10 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> Message-ID: <00a901c2ef1d$f88d6020$402564ce@rjbender> Geoff McAuliffe wrote: > Are you suggesting that prions from film and paper are in our drinking water? > That would be pretty easy to verify. If it's possible to get the disease by spreading powdered bone meal in your garden and inhaling the dust wouldn't you like to know if prions exist in film emulsion? When you finish a roll of 120, how do you seal the roll? Forget about mad cow disease and exposure to chemicals used in photo processing. I forgot that you need cyanide to process wet plates made with egg white emulsion. When film has to compete against digital, the price of color print film has to fall. Manufacturers will discontinue some black and white films because of a decrease in demand for those products. So what do you do... try to find someone who has a freezer full of the stuff you want, pay triple the price for it and process the film yourself? All I'm suggesting is to look at other options when your favorite film becomes obsolete. If you like 127 superslides get a Rapid Omega with a 58 mm or a Mamiya TLR with a 55 mm and cut the image down to superslide size. If your favorite black and white film becomes unavailable, shoot 120 color film, have someone else process it and scan your own negatives. Now you have a 30-50MB image that you can't get with your digital camera. Subtract color, use digital filters, burn and dodge on your computer and take your digital file to a lab that makes photographic prints from digital files. If it seems like the art of photography is lost in that process don't blame digital fanatics, blame the market. > Right. Computers and digital media are 100% environmentally friendly because > their manufacture and use cause no polution. No, I didn't say that. Just consider the time and energy expended in getting your film and prints to and from the lab. R.J. Bender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff McAuliffe" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc > Hmmm. > > "R. J. Bender" wrote: > > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > > >> Film emulsion is made with gelatin which comes from cattle bones and > > >>hides. I'd prefer an egg white emulsion because chickens aren't affected > > by Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy but I don't have time to make my own > > glass plates. > > > > >LOL. Quite the film gelatin connoisseur you are... I'm coming to your house > > >for dinner! We'll have some Delta 400 sautéed in Xtol 1:3. > > > > LOL. How about alphabet soup made with the numbers "0" and "1" and Jello > > for desert? > > > > The rendering process does not inactivate the prions believed to be the > > cause of this disease. > > Prions ARE the cause of the disease. > > > With all the hype about today's film technology, it > > seems strange that it needs cow bones to make it all work. What happens to > > the developer and fixer after people pour these down their drains? > > Are you suggesting that prions from film and paper are in our drinking water? > That would be pretty easy to verify. > > > What long > > term effects do these chemicals have on our health? Digital media doesn't > > have to deal with these issues. > > Right. Computers and digital media are 100% environmentally friendly because > their manufacture and use cause no polution. > > Geoff McAuliffe > Piscataway, NJ > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Mar 21 04:19:54 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff McAuliffe) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:19:54 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> <00a901c2ef1d$f88d6020$402564ce@rjbender> Message-ID: <3E7A92EA.601FC39F@optonline.net> I'm back! "R. J. Bender" wrote: > Geoff McAuliffe wrote: > > > Are you suggesting that prions from film and paper are in our drinking > water? > > That would be pretty easy to verify. > > If it's possible to get the disease by spreading powdered bone meal in your > garden and inhaling the dust wouldn't you like to know if prions exist in > film emulsion? That is a pretty big IF. Who said it is "possible to get the disease by spreading powdered bone meal in your garden and inhaling the dust"? Have there been scientific studies, not scare stories in the newspapers, showing prions in bone meal purchased from garden stores? Which journals were these studies published in? > When you finish a roll of 120, how do you seal the roll? I lick the little adhesive tab. I lick stamps and envelopes too. I am not worried about getting a spongiform encephalopathy from those actions. > Forget about mad cow disease and exposure to chemicals used in photo > processing. I forgot that you need cyanide to process wet plates made with > egg white emulsion. When film has to compete against digital, the price of > color print film has to fall. Manufacturers will discontinue some black and > white films because of a decrease in demand for those products. So what do > you do... try to find someone who has a freezer full of the stuff you want, > pay triple the price for it and process the film yourself? > > All I'm suggesting is to look at other options when your favorite film > becomes obsolete. If you like 127 superslides get a Rapid Omega with a 58 mm > or a Mamiya TLR with a 55 mm and cut the image down to superslide size. If > your favorite black and white film becomes unavailable, shoot 120 color > film, have someone else process it and scan your own negatives. Now you have > a 30-50MB image that you can't get with your digital camera. Subtract color, > use digital filters, burn and dodge on your computer and take your digital > file to a lab that makes photographic prints from digital files. You lost me. What does this have to do with film emulsions? > If it seems like the art of photography is lost in that process don't blame > digital fanatics, blame the market. That we agree on. > > Right. Computers and digital media are 100% environmentally friendly > because their manufacture and use cause no polution. > > No, I didn't say that. Just consider the time and energy expended in getting > your film and prints to and from the lab. My lab is on my way to work. How about the time and energy going to the store to buy ink cartridges and paper for the printer? Time spent adjusting in PhotoShop? One can find something "wrong" with everything if you want to. > R.J. Bender Geoff McAuliffe Piscataway, NJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff McAuliffe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc > > > Hmmm. > > > > "R. J. Bender" wrote: > > > > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > > > > >> Film emulsion is made with gelatin which comes from cattle bones and > > > >>hides. I'd prefer an egg white emulsion because chickens aren't > affected > > > by Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy but I don't have time to make my own > > > glass plates. > > > > > > >LOL. Quite the film gelatin connoisseur you are... I'm coming to your > house > > > >for dinner! We'll have some Delta 400 sautéed in Xtol 1:3. > > > > > > LOL. How about alphabet soup made with the numbers "0" and "1" and > Jello > > > for desert? > > > > > > The rendering process does not inactivate the prions believed to be the > > > cause of this disease. > > > > Prions ARE the cause of the disease. > > > > > With all the hype about today's film technology, it > > > seems strange that it needs cow bones to make it all work. What happens > to > > > the developer and fixer after people pour these down their drains? > > > > Are you suggesting that prions from film and paper are in our drinking > water? > > That would be pretty easy to verify. > > > > > What long > > > term effects do these chemicals have on our health? Digital media > doesn't > > > have to deal with these issues. > > > > Right. Computers and digital media are 100% environmentally friendly > because > > their manufacture and use cause no polution. > > > > Geoff McAuliffe > > Piscataway, NJ > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Mar 21 07:59:31 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (R. J. Bender) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 01:59:31 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> <00a901c2ef1d$f88d6020$402564ce@rjbender> <3E7A92EA.601FC39F@optonline.net> Message-ID: <003d01c2ef7f$ce8c9540$372564ce@rjbender> Geoff McAuliffe wrote: > That is a pretty big IF. Who said it is "possible to get the disease by > spreading powdered bone meal in your garden and inhaling the dust"? Have there > been scientific studies, not scare stories in the newspapers, showing prions in > bone meal purchased from garden stores? Which journals were these studies > published in? Ok, I'm not going to argue with a Ph.D. of Neuroscience and Cell Biology about bone meal dust, prions and gelatin. I should be asking you if it's impossible to get Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease from inhaling contaminated bone meal dust and if all products made from cattle bones should be tested for prions. One more question: would you load your KO back with film and then eat a sandwich without washing your hands? > You lost me. What does this have to do with film emulsions? I've noticed a trend. When people complain that their favorite film is no longer available, they usually have something bad to say about digital media. > My lab is on my way to work. How about the time and energy going to the store to > buy ink cartridges and paper for the printer? Time spent adjusting in PhotoShop? > One can find something "wrong" with everything if you want to. Ink cartridges last several months. Time adjusting images in Photoshop is more cost effective than making a series of prints in the darkroom. If you can produce an acceptable 11 x 14 with a 5 megapixel camera why use film? The only thing wrong I can see with digital is that it intimidates people who only use film. R.J. Bender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff McAuliffe" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc > I'm back! > > "R. J. Bender" wrote: > > > Geoff McAuliffe wrote: > > > > > Are you suggesting that prions from film and paper are in our drinking > > water? > > > That would be pretty easy to verify. > > > > If it's possible to get the disease by spreading powdered bone meal in your > > garden and inhaling the dust wouldn't you like to know if prions exist in > > film emulsion? > > That is a pretty big IF. Who said it is "possible to get the disease by > spreading powdered bone meal in your garden and inhaling the dust"? Have there > been scientific studies, not scare stories in the newspapers, showing prions in > bone meal purchased from garden stores? Which journals were these studies > published in? > > > When you finish a roll of 120, how do you seal the roll? > > I lick the little adhesive tab. I lick stamps and envelopes too. I am not > worried about getting a spongiform encephalopathy from those actions. > > > Forget about mad cow disease and exposure to chemicals used in photo > > processing. I forgot that you need cyanide to process wet plates made with > > egg white emulsion. When film has to compete against digital, the price of > > color print film has to fall. Manufacturers will discontinue some black and > > white films because of a decrease in demand for those products. So what do > > you do... try to find someone who has a freezer full of the stuff you want, > > pay triple the price for it and process the film yourself? > > > > All I'm suggesting is to look at other options when your favorite film > > becomes obsolete. If you like 127 superslides get a Rapid Omega with a 58 mm > > or a Mamiya TLR with a 55 mm and cut the image down to superslide size. If > > your favorite black and white film becomes unavailable, shoot 120 color > > film, have someone else process it and scan your own negatives. Now you have > > a 30-50MB image that you can't get with your digital camera. Subtract color, > > use digital filters, burn and dodge on your computer and take your digital > > file to a lab that makes photographic prints from digital files. > > You lost me. What does this have to do with film emulsions? > > > If it seems like the art of photography is lost in that process don't blame > > digital fanatics, blame the market. > > That we agree on. > > > > Right. Computers and digital media are 100% environmentally friendly > > because their manufacture and use cause no polution. > > > > No, I didn't say that. Just consider the time and energy expended in getting > > your film and prints to and from the lab. > > My lab is on my way to work. How about the time and energy going to the store to > buy ink cartridges and paper for the printer? Time spent adjusting in PhotoShop? > One can find something "wrong" with everything if you want to. > > > R.J. Bender > > Geoff McAuliffe > Piscataway, NJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Geoff McAuliffe" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc > > > > > Hmmm. > > > > > > "R. J. Bender" wrote: > > > > > > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Film emulsion is made with gelatin which comes from cattle bones and > > > > >>hides. I'd prefer an egg white emulsion because chickens aren't > > affected > > > > by Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy but I don't have time to make my own > > > > glass plates. > > > > > > > > >LOL. Quite the film gelatin connoisseur you are... I'm coming to your > > house > > > > >for dinner! We'll have some Delta 400 sautéed in Xtol 1:3. > > > > > > > > LOL. How about alphabet soup made with the numbers "0" and "1" and > > Jello > > > > for desert? > > > > > > > > The rendering process does not inactivate the prions believed to be the > > > > cause of this disease. > > > > > > Prions ARE the cause of the disease. > > > > > > > With all the hype about today's film technology, it > > > > seems strange that it needs cow bones to make it all work. What happens > > to > > > > the developer and fixer after people pour these down their drains? > > > > > > Are you suggesting that prions from film and paper are in our drinking > > water? > > > That would be pretty easy to verify. > > > > > > > What long > > > > term effects do these chemicals have on our health? Digital media > > doesn't > > > > have to deal with these issues. > > > > > > Right. Computers and digital media are 100% environmentally friendly > > because > > > their manufacture and use cause no polution. > > > > > > Geoff McAuliffe > > > Piscataway, NJ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Mar 22 02:32:47 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff McAuliffe) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 21:32:47 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> <00a901c2ef1d$f88d6020$402564ce@rjbender> <3E7A92EA.601FC39F@optonline.net> <003d01c2ef7f$ce8c9540$372564ce@rjbender> Message-ID: <3E7BCB4F.8BB7EEE2@optonline.net> More! "R. J. Bender" wrote: > Geoff McAuliffe wrote: > > > That is a pretty big IF. Who said it is "possible to get the disease by > > spreading powdered bone meal in your garden and inhaling the dust"? Have > there > > been scientific studies, not scare stories in the newspapers, showing > prions in > > bone meal purchased from garden stores? Which journals were these studies > > published in? > > Ok, I'm not going to argue with a Ph.D. of Neuroscience and Cell Biology > about bone meal dust, prions and gelatin. I should be asking you if it's > impossible to get Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease from inhaling contaminated bone > meal dust and if all products made from cattle bones should be tested for > prions. Impossible is a big word and there is no way to prove someting cannot happen. I garden a lot and I remember hearing about the "dangers" of using bone meal. I never heard of any evidence to support these dangers. I would be very easy to test bone meal from the garden store for prions. Since there has not been any (documented) BSE in cattle slaughtered in the US, it does not seem to be a problem here. In Great Britain, I would wear a respirator or not use bone meal. > One more question: would you load your KO back with film and then > eat a sandwich without washing your hands? Maybe. I might wash my hands before loading the film. I don't ususally put my fingers on the film, just the paper. There are lots of toxic things in film emulsions, silver for instance. That does not mean that touching the film or or something the film touched (backing paper) will transfer the toxin to you. > > You lost me. What does this have to do with film emulsions? > > I've noticed a trend. When people complain that their favorite film is no > longer available, they usually have something bad to say about digital > media. Could be. Some people will complain about anything and/or look for someone to blame. > > My lab is on my way to work. How about the time and energy going to the > store to buy ink cartridges and paper for the printer? Time spent adjusting in > > PhotoShop? > > Ink cartridges last several months. Time adjusting images in Photoshop is > more cost effective than making a series of prints in the darkroom. Cost effective? PS is $600. Time effective? Well the learning curve is pretty steep but one does not need to learn every aspect of PS to do 'darkroom' work on the computer. As much as I like darkroom work I am finding PS is more time effective for making prints for scientific publication at work. Assembling multiple figures into plates, getting the contrast right, with labels, etc was very time consuming the 'old way'. PS is not simple but once you know how to do something, it can be fast. That the prints may not last forever is not an issue there. For display stuff at home or for friends I still like the permanance of silver. I don't believe the longevity claims of the ink/paper manufacturers. > If you can produce an acceptable 11 x 14 with a 5 megapixel camera why use > film? Some people might want to stay with film. Their choice. > The only thing wrong I can see with digital is that it intimidates people > who only use film. And you get to make your choice. Geoff > R.J. Bender > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff McAuliffe" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc > > > I'm back! > > > > "R. J. Bender" wrote: > > > > > Geoff McAuliffe wrote: > > > > > > > Are you suggesting that prions from film and paper are in our drinking > > > water? > > > > That would be pretty easy to verify. > > > > > > If it's possible to get the disease by spreading powdered bone meal in > your > > > garden and inhaling the dust wouldn't you like to know if prions exist > in > > > film emulsion? > > > > That is a pretty big IF. Who said it is "possible to get the disease by > > spreading powdered bone meal in your garden and inhaling the dust"? Have > there > > been scientific studies, not scare stories in the newspapers, showing > prions in > > bone meal purchased from garden stores? Which journals were these studies > > published in? > > > > > When you finish a roll of 120, how do you seal the roll? > > > > I lick the little adhesive tab. I lick stamps and envelopes too. I am not > > worried about getting a spongiform encephalopathy from those actions. > > > > > Forget about mad cow disease and exposure to chemicals used in photo > > > processing. I forgot that you need cyanide to process wet plates made > with > > > egg white emulsion. When film has to compete against digital, the price > of > > > color print film has to fall. Manufacturers will discontinue some black > and > > > white films because of a decrease in demand for those products. So what > do > > > you do... try to find someone who has a freezer full of the stuff you > want, > > > pay triple the price for it and process the film yourself? > > > > > > All I'm suggesting is to look at other options when your favorite film > > > becomes obsolete. If you like 127 superslides get a Rapid Omega with a > 58 mm > > > or a Mamiya TLR with a 55 mm and cut the image down to superslide size. > If > > > your favorite black and white film becomes unavailable, shoot 120 color > > > film, have someone else process it and scan your own negatives. Now you > have > > > a 30-50MB image that you can't get with your digital camera. Subtract > color, > > > use digital filters, burn and dodge on your computer and take your > digital > > > file to a lab that makes photographic prints from digital files. > > > > You lost me. What does this have to do with film emulsions? > > > > > If it seems like the art of photography is lost in that process don't > blame > > > digital fanatics, blame the market. > > > > That we agree on. > > > > > > Right. Computers and digital media are 100% environmentally friendly > > > because their manufacture and use cause no polution. > > > > > > No, I didn't say that. Just consider the time and energy expended in > getting > > > your film and prints to and from the lab. > > > > My lab is on my way to work. How about the time and energy going to the > store to > > buy ink cartridges and paper for the printer? Time spent adjusting in > PhotoShop? > > One can find something "wrong" with everything if you want to. > > > > > R.J. Bender > > > > Geoff McAuliffe > > Piscataway, NJ > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Geoff McAuliffe" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:02 PM > > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc > > > > > > > Hmmm. > > > > > > > > "R. J. Bender" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> Film emulsion is made with gelatin which comes from cattle bones > and > > > > > >>hides. I'd prefer an egg white emulsion because chickens aren't > > > affected > > > > > by Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy but I don't have time to make my > own > > > > > glass plates. > > > > > > > > > > >LOL. Quite the film gelatin connoisseur you are... I'm coming to > your > > > house > > > > > >for dinner! We'll have some Delta 400 sautéed in Xtol 1:3. > > > > > > > > > > LOL. How about alphabet soup made with the numbers "0" and "1" and > > > Jello > > > > > for desert? > > > > > > > > > > The rendering process does not inactivate the prions believed to be > the > > > > > cause of this disease. > > > > > > > > Prions ARE the cause of the disease. > > > > > > > > > With all the hype about today's film technology, it > > > > > seems strange that it needs cow bones to make it all work. What > happens > > > to > > > > > the developer and fixer after people pour these down their drains? > > > > > > > > Are you suggesting that prions from film and paper are in our drinking > > > water? > > > > That would be pretty easy to verify. > > > > > > > > > What long > > > > > term effects do these chemicals have on our health? Digital media > > > doesn't > > > > > have to deal with these issues. > > > > > > > > Right. Computers and digital media are 100% environmentally friendly > > > because > > > > their manufacture and use cause no polution. > > > > > > > > Geoff McAuliffe > > > > Piscataway, NJ > > > > From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Mar 28 13:00:26 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:00:26 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Re: Tumbleweeds, film, etc In-Reply-To: <3E7BCB4F.8BB7EEE2@optonline.net> References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> <00a901c2ef1d$f88d6020$402564ce@rjbender> <3E7A92EA.601FC39F@optonline.net> <003d01c2ef7f$ce8c9540$372564ce@rjbender> <3E7BCB4F.8BB7EEE2@optonline.net> Message-ID: At 9:32 pm -0500 21/3/03, Geoff McAuliffe wrote: >More! Well perhaps not too much more! One person has unsubscribed complaining of mad cow disease, so the warnings about eating your negatives have been useful. It's good to see a little activity on the list. The weather has changed for the better here in the UK and I'm looking forward to grabbing some time to take the trusty old KO Rapid out there loaded with cow. Cheers, Clive PS - Pleases remember to snip the previous posts that you are responding to include only the pertinent part of the message. Thanks. CW From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Mar 29 02:24:50 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff McAuliffe) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:24:50 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: eating film? References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> <00a901c2ef1d$f88d6020$402564ce@rjbender> <3E7A92EA.601FC39F@optonline.net> <003d01c2ef7f$ce8c9540$372564ce@rjbender> <3E7BCB4F.8BB7EEE2@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3E8503F2.2CE179@optonline.net> Hi Clive! Well, I seem to have driven Mr. Bender back to photography with my discourse. I certainly meant no offense. I am going forth with camera this weekend assuming the weather is not too bad. My 120 back needs an overhaul (9.5 frames) so I guess I'll have to try out that mint 220 back I picked up for a song. I'm sure film could make one sick if eaten, with or without parts from mad cows. Of course, eating digital storage media might do the same thing. Geoff McAuliffe Piscataway, NJ Clive Warren wrote: > At 9:32 pm -0500 21/3/03, Geoff McAuliffe wrote: > >More! > > Well perhaps not too much more! One person has unsubscribed > complaining of mad cow disease, so the warnings about eating your > negatives have been useful. > > It's good to see a little activity on the list. > > The weather has changed for the better here in the UK and I'm looking > forward to grabbing some time to take the trusty old KO Rapid out > there loaded with cow. > > Cheers, > Clive > From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Mar 29 16:42:22 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (R. J. Bender) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:42:22 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: eating film? References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> <00a901c2ef1d$f88d6020$402564ce@rjbender> <3E7A92EA.601FC39F@optonline.net> <003d01c2ef7f$ce8c9540$372564ce@rjbender> <3E7BCB4F.8BB7EEE2@optonline.net> <3E8503F2.2CE179@optonline.net> Message-ID: <016001c2f612$2c9b1380$582564ce@rjbender> Geoff McAuliffe wrote: > Well, I seem to have driven Mr. Bender back to photography with my > discourse. I certainly meant no offense. Actually, your argument for using film was not very convincing! Thanks, however, for assuring us that prions in film is nothing to be concerned about when HANDLING film. I never suggested that people eat film as your subject line implies. R.J. Bender From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 31 02:23:01 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff McAuliffe) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:23:01 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: eating film? References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> <00a901c2ef1d$f88d6020$402564ce@rjbender> <3E7A92EA.601FC39F@optonline.net> <003d01c2ef7f$ce8c9540$372564ce@rjbender> <3E7BCB4F.8BB7EEE2@optonline.net> <3E8503F2.2CE179@optonline.net> <016001c2f612$2c9b1380$582564ce@rjbender> Message-ID: <3E87A685.6C5F7C6D@optonline.net> Eating film was a bit of hyperbole from Clive.I just ran with it. Sorry if I distorted your intent. Geoff "R. J. Bender" wrote: > Geoff McAuliffe wrote: > > > Well, I seem to have driven Mr. Bender back to photography with my > > discourse. I certainly meant no offense. > > Actually, your argument for using film was not very convincing! Thanks, > however, for assuring us that > prions in film is nothing to be concerned about when HANDLING film. I never > suggested that people > eat film as your subject line implies. > > R.J. Bender > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Apr 2 11:40:52 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:40:52 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Spacers for Close Focus Message-ID: Dear All, Am looking for a set of spacers for a Rapid Omega to allow closer focus using a ground glass back in place of the film back. These seem to be rather thin on the ground so any leads would be welcome. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Apr 2 16:35:10 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Martyn, Rick) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:35:10 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Spacers for Close Focus Message-ID: I think the "spacers" you are looking for are often known as "extension = tubes". I haven't seen any on E-bay or elsewhere, but will keep you in = mind if I run across any. Rick M> -----Original Message----- From: Clive Warren [mailto:cocam@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:41 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Spacers for Close Focus Dear All, Am looking for a set of spacers for a Rapid Omega to allow closer=20 focus using a ground glass back in place of the film back. These seem to be rather thin on the ground so any leads would be = welcome. Cheers, Clive _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 3 13:59:44 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:59:44 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Spacers for Close Focus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:35 am -0800 2/4/03, Martyn, Rick wrote: >-----Original Message----- >>From: Clive Warren >>Dear All, >> >>Am looking for a set of spacers for a Rapid Omega to allow closer >>focus using a ground glass back in place of the film back. >> >These seem to be rather thin on the ground so any leads would be welcome. >I think the "spacers" you are looking for are often known as >"extension tubes". I haven't seen any on E-bay or elsewhere, but >will keep you in mind if I run across any. > >Rick M> Hello Rick, Yes, also known as spacers but I seem to recall that the RO extension tubes are called spacers by the factory. Well, they always have a unique way of doing things so naming unconventionally is par for the course. Would be grateful for a shout if you do come across any. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 31 03:07:58 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Robert M. Bennett, Esq.) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:07:58 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Film Recommendation References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> <00a901c2ef1d$f88d6020$402564ce@rjbender> <3E7A92EA.601FC39F@optonline.net> <003d01c2ef7f$ce8c9540$372564ce@rjbender> <3E7BCB4F.8BB7EEE2@optonline.net> <3E8503F2.2CE179@optonline.net> <016001c2f612$2c9b1380$582564ce@rjbender> <3E87A685.6C5F7C6D@optonline.net> Message-ID: <000a01c2f732$bbe3a900$0402a8c0@robert7dzlpodr> Would an experienced Koni-Omega user please comment on (or recommend) the best types of color and b&w films available for the 100, assuming that most of the exposures are out of doors in daylight conditions. Thanks in advance. Robert M. Bennett (Anxiously waiting for my new Ebay acquisition). From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 4 04:46:14 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (M Melton) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 23:46:14 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Spacers for Close Focus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I remember correctly, they are called spacers and a complete set consisted of three of different thickness. I have a complete set (sorry, not for sale) and will try tomorrow to dig them out (they are packed away) and post their proper name and size. However I bet there are others who have a set or two and know off the top of their head what their correct name is. Good luck finding them, I lucked upon my set after four or five years of intense searching. Clive, is there a definite list of exactly what was available for the KO? It seems as there is always some obscure piece turning up that many of us never knew existed. Later, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Clive Warren Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:00 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: RE: [KOML] Spacers for Close Focus At 8:35 am -0800 2/4/03, Martyn, Rick wrote: >-----Original Message----- >>From: Clive Warren >>Dear All, >> >>Am looking for a set of spacers for a Rapid Omega to allow closer >>focus using a ground glass back in place of the film back. >> >These seem to be rather thin on the ground so any leads would be welcome. >I think the "spacers" you are looking for are often known as >"extension tubes". I haven't seen any on E-bay or elsewhere, but >will keep you in mind if I run across any. > >Rick M> Hello Rick, Yes, also known as spacers but I seem to recall that the RO extension tubes are called spacers by the factory. Well, they always have a unique way of doing things so naming unconventionally is par for the course. Would be grateful for a shout if you do come across any. Cheers, Clive _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 4 05:11:04 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 06:11:04 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Spacers for Close Focus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:46 pm -0500 3/4/03, M Melton wrote: snip > >Hello Rick, > >Yes, also known as spacers but I seem to recall that the RO extension >tubes are called spacers by the factory. Well, they always have a >unique way of doing things so naming unconventionally is par for the >course. > >Would be grateful for a shout if you do come across any. > >Cheers, > Clive > >If I remember correctly, they are called spacers and a complete set >consisted of three of different thickness. I have a complete set (sorry, >not for sale) and will try tomorrow to dig them out (they are packed away) >and post their proper name and size. However I bet there are others who >have a set or two and know off the top of their head what their correct name >is. Good luck finding them, I lucked upon my set after four or five years >of intense searching. > >Clive, is there a definite list of exactly what was available for the KO? >It seems as there is always some obscure piece turning up that many of us >never knew existed. > >Later, > >Maurice Hello Maurice, I had a feeling that someone on the list would at least have a set :-) They do seem rather hard to find - there is probably a dusty box of them sitting in a storeroom somewhere in the world. There is no definitive list of all accessories although some of the manuals do have a list of some of the accessories. The long term plans are to illustrate all of the accessories on the koni-omega.org web site. As with many of these altruistic projects, making the time to put the web site together is the real challenge. If you have the time to take a few photos of the spacers that would be a good incentive to put together a page for accessories on the web site. Drop me line off the list if you think you'll be able to provide some shots - you will of course receive world-wide fame :-) Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 4 06:18:41 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Alan D. Crowe) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:18:41 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Film Recommendation References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> <00a901c2ef1d$f88d6020$402564ce@rjbender> <3E7A92EA.601FC39F@optonline.net> <003d01c2ef7f$ce8c9540$372564ce@rjbender> <3E7BCB4F.8BB7EEE2@optonline.net> <3E8503F2.2CE179@optonline.net> <016001c2f612$2c9b1380$582564ce@rjbender> <3E87A685.6C5F7C6D@optonline.net> <000a01c2f732$bbe3a900$0402a8c0@robert7dzlpodr> Message-ID: <001701c2fa72$09c02bc0$9a210544@oc.cox.net> For black and white, I use Kodak T400CN film. It is b&w film processed in C-41 chemistry. The film is virtually grainless and has good contrast. Be sure you over expose it though. I rate the film at 250 which yields great results. I wouldn't make the prints w/ color paper though. Stick with traditional b&w papers. Good luck. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Bennett, Esq." To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Film Recommendation > > Would an experienced Koni-Omega user please comment on (or recommend) the > best types of color and b&w films available for the 100, assuming that most > of the exposures are out of doors in daylight conditions. Thanks in advance. > Robert M. Bennett (Anxiously waiting for my new Ebay acquisition). > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 4 09:07:53 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:07:53 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Film Recommendation In-Reply-To: <000a01c2f732$bbe3a900$0402a8c0@robert7dzlpodr> References: <002a01c2ee3f$9db17bc0$8be08ed0@rjbender> <3E793D5C.A4325BBB@optonline.net> <00a901c2ef1d$f88d6020$402564ce@rjbender> <3E7A92EA.601FC39F@optonline.net> <003d01c2ef7f$ce8c9540$372564ce@rjbender> <3E7BCB4F.8BB7EEE2@optonline.net> <3E8503F2.2CE179@optonline.net> <016001c2f612$2c9b1380$582564ce@rjbender> <3E87A685.6C5F7C6D@optonline.net> <000a01c2f732$bbe3a900$0402a8c0@robert7dzlpodr> Message-ID: At 7:07 pm -0800 30/3/03, Robert M. Bennett, Esq. wrote: >Would an experienced Koni-Omega user please comment on (or recommend) the >best types of color and b&w films available for the 100, assuming that most >of the exposures are out of doors in daylight conditions. Thanks in advance. >Robert M. Bennett (Anxiously waiting for my new Ebay acquisition). For B&W I use Ilford XP400 a lot as it is so forgiving in exposure. Great to use for hand-held shots when you don't have time to grab the meter. The traditional Ilford FP4 and HP5 are great films but I also use Delta 100 and 400 in the Rapid Omega. As for colour, all trannie work here for me and this is generally Provia and sometimes Velvia. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 4 14:15:12 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:15:12 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Film Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Clive Warren wrote: > For B&W I use Ilford XP400 a lot as it is so forgiving in exposure. > Great to use for hand-held shots when you don't have time to grab the > meter. I second this. Also known as XP2 Super, this film has a useful speed rating of 50 - 800 with no change in processing! Rated at 100, you will produce the most beautiful negatives with exceptionally long tonal ranges that print like a dream! (Too dense for scanning though... 200 is best here) For chromes... I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of Velvia 100 in both color and b/w! Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 4 21:05:57 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (M Melton) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:05:57 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Close-up Kit Message-ID: Afternoon Everybody! I found the spacers I said I had. They were part of a kit. I have the complete kit in the original box. The name on the box label is CLOSE-UP KIT for Koni-Omega 'M' (this is the exact wording). The catalog number for the kit is 706-043. The label reads: CONSISTS OF: Cat. No. 706-016 2-10 mm SPACER ATTACHMENTS Cat. No. 706-015 1-GROUND GLASS ATTACHMENT Cat. No. 706-091 1-EYE LEVEL VIEWER The kit box is about 6in X 6in X 4in. The spacers and the ground glass attachment are in their own boxes inside the larger box. The eye level viewer is in a case out of material like a lens case. Hope this answers some questions. Maurice From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 4 21:36:08 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:36:08 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Close-up Kit Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E18063A@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Clive, close your mouth...you're drool is getting all over your keyboard!! (chuckle) Barbara -----Original Message----- From: M Melton [mailto:memelton@bigfoot.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:06 PM To: Koml Subject: [KOML] Close-up Kit Afternoon Everybody! I found the spacers I said I had. They were part of a kit. I have the complete kit in the original box. The name on the box label is CLOSE-UP KIT for Koni-Omega 'M' (this is the exact wording). The catalog number for the kit is 706-043. The label reads: CONSISTS OF: Cat. No. 706-016 2-10 mm SPACER ATTACHMENTS Cat. No. 706-015 1-GROUND GLASS ATTACHMENT Cat. No. 706-091 1-EYE LEVEL VIEWER The kit box is about 6in X 6in X 4in. The spacers and the ground glass attachment are in their own boxes inside the larger box. The eye level viewer is in a case out of material like a lens case. Hope this answers some questions. Maurice _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 4 23:15:08 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 00:15:08 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:05 pm -0500 4/4/03, M Melton wrote: >Afternoon Everybody! > >I found the spacers I said I had. They were part of a kit. I have the >complete kit in the original box. The name on the box label is CLOSE-UP KIT >for Koni-Omega 'M' (this is the exact wording). The catalog number for the >kit is 706-043. > >The label reads: > >CONSISTS OF: > >Cat. No. 706-016 2-10 mm SPACER ATTACHMENTS > >Cat. No. 706-015 1-GROUND GLASS ATTACHMENT > >Cat. No. 706-091 1-EYE LEVEL VIEWER > > >The kit box is about 6in X 6in X 4in. The spacers and the ground glass >attachment are in their own boxes inside the larger box. The eye level >viewer is in a case out of material like a lens case. > >Hope this answers some questions. > >Maurice Afternoon Maurice, well it's late evening here, but it should be afternoon..... Thanks for the additional info., great stuff. I have seen the first two items and have a home-made ground glass back. The eye level viewer is a new phrase in my KO vocabulary. Please describe this gizmo - is it a mono or bino back to fit the ground glass back? Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 4 23:19:33 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 00:19:33 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Re: Film Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:15 am -0500 4/4/03, Eric Goldstein wrote: >Clive Warren wrote: > >> For B&W I use Ilford XP400 a lot as it is so forgiving in exposure. >> Great to use for hand-held shots when you don't have time to grab the >> meter. > > >I second this. Also known as XP2 Super, this film has a useful speed rating >of 50 - 800 with no change in processing! Rated at 100, you will produce the >most beautiful negatives with exceptionally long tonal ranges that print >like a dream! (Too dense for scanning though... 200 is best here) > >For chromes... I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of Velvia 100 in both >color and b/w! Thanks Eric - XP2 Super is the current name on the pack! You're so right about rating it at 100 - shame they stopped making it in sheet sizes.... Word has it that the new Velvia isn't really Velvia - according to a pro. friend who likes to attend trade shows..... It's a new film that Fuji have decided to call Velvia 100. Maybe they'll change the name of the older emulsion to Velvia 40 ;-) Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 4 23:38:51 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 00:38:51 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E18063A@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E18063A@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: At 2:36 pm -0700 4/4/03, Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: M Melton >> >>Afternoon Everybody! >> >>I found the spacers I said I had. They were part of a kit. I have the >>complete kit in the original box. The name on the box label is CLOSE-UP KIT >>for Koni-Omega 'M' (this is the exact wording). The catalog number for the >>kit is 706-043. >> >>The label reads: >> >>CONSISTS OF: >> >>Cat. No. 706-016 2-10 mm SPACER ATTACHMENTS >> >>Cat. No. 706-015 1-GROUND GLASS ATTACHMENT >> >>Cat. No. 706-091 1-EYE LEVEL VIEWER snip >Clive, close your mouth...you're drool is getting all over your keyboard!! >(chuckle) > >Barbara Damn! Left the web cam on again ;-) Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 4 23:34:54 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:34:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [KOML] Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030404233454.95179.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> > > Afternoon Maurice, well it's late evening here, but > it should be afternoon..... > > Thanks for the additional info., great stuff. I have > seen the first > two items and have a home-made ground glass back. > The eye level > viewer is a new phrase in my KO vocabulary. Please > describe this > gizmo - is it a mono or bino back to fit the ground > glass back? > > Cheers, > Clive > Greetings Clive & all, This sounds a lot like the kit for close-up work with the Omegaflex. I've got all the pieces thereof, acquired separately. Clive, the eye-level viewer is a pseudo-pyramid-shaped, loupe-like device which fits onto the ground glass assembly. It has an eyepiece on the small end which I believe has 2.8x magnification, vs. 3x for the reflex viewer -- or vice-versa. RE the spacers, those described by Maurice have the same thickness as the Omegaflex spacers (though of course a much different design). Can anyone post a quick primer/reminder on exposure adjustments when using these spacers? Or am I confused -- maybe no adjustment is necessary? Maurice, maybe you have a manual for the kit that addresses this? -Paul Reese From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Apr 5 00:02:29 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:02:29 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: <20030404233454.95179.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Paul Reese wrote: > > This sounds a lot like the kit for close-up work with > the Omegaflex. I've got all the pieces thereof, > acquired separately. Yes. But I think the flex spacers are 20mm... They, too, are scarce as hen's teeth... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Apr 5 00:13:43 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:13:43 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Film Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Clive Warren wrote: > Word has it that the new Velvia isn't really Velvia - according to a > pro. friend who likes to attend trade shows..... It's a new film that > Fuji have decided to call Velvia 100. Maybe they'll change the name > of the older emulsion to Velvia 40 ;-) Would not surprise me Clive... actually Velvia's probably a bit long in the tooth at this point so ground-up development might be a good thing... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Apr 5 00:38:07 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:38:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [KOML] Re: Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030405003807.14300.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Eric, You may be right -- but from memory, I thought they were less than 1/2" each. One thing's for sure -- I need to use them more! Fortunately I just moved into a great shooting space, so I plan to do a lot of studio stuff for which the spacers will come in handy(flowers, sexy bell peppers, ... who knows?). Any info. on the exposure adjustment issue? I recalled that I have the Konica 55mm macro lens for 35mm, and when the extension tube for it is mounted, the effective max. aperture is definitely smaller. So it would seem you DO lose light with extension tubes (seems right intuitively -- greater distance to film plane, fall-off, same input covering a larger image circle, right?). But how much light is lost? Is there some formula involving the focal length and amount of extension? I'm sure I've got this info. somewhere or could find it on-line, but (a) I'm feeling lazy, and (b) if Maurice has info. direct from KO, and perhaps correlated to the KO lens lengths and extension amounts ... bonus! -Paul --- Eric Goldstein wrote: > Paul Reese wrote: > > > > > This sounds a lot like the kit for close-up work > with > > the Omegaflex. I've got all the pieces thereof, > > acquired separately. > > > Yes. But I think the flex spacers are 20mm... They, > too, are scarce as hen's > teeth... > > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Apr 5 00:54:57 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:54:57 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: <20030405003807.14300.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Paul Reese wrote: > Eric, > > You may be right -- but from memory, I thought they > were less than 1/2" each. One thing's for sure -- I > need to use them more! Fortunately I just moved into > a great shooting space, so I plan to do a lot of > studio stuff for which the spacers will come in > handy(flowers, sexy bell peppers, ... who knows?). > > Any info. on the exposure adjustment issue? H Paul - Just measured... it's 20mm... I am too much the math paraplegic so had a pal run the numbers for me once... it is somewhere around 1/2 stop per spacer for the 90... less for the longer lenses cause the % is less as a function of the fl, and more for the 58... the long and short of it is it's all within bracket range for one spacer, add a stop for the 58 or when using two tubes with the other lenses... I must say, these cameras are not super fast or great to run with tubes... the GG is dim and dark in the corners, and the chimney's not great at the extremes... but the end results on the chromes are quite impressive. I ditch the chimney, use the viewing lens to focus, then use the film-plane GG to compose. If I want critical focus with the GG, I use a high powered loupe and not the finder... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Apr 5 01:23:26 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:23:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [KOML] Re: Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030405012326.18320.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eric Goldstein wrote: > > H Paul - > > Just measured... it's 20mm... > > I am too much the math paraplegic so had a pal run > the numbers for me > once... it is somewhere around 1/2 stop per spacer > for the 90... less for > the longer lenses cause the % is less as a function > of the fl, and more for > the 58... the long and short of it is it's all > within bracket range for one > spacer, add a stop for the 58 or when using two > tubes with the other > lenses... > > I must say, these cameras are not super fast or > great to run with tubes... > the GG is dim and dark in the corners, and the > chimney's not great at the > extremes... but the end results on the chromes are > quite impressive. I ditch > the chimney, use the viewing lens to focus, then use > the film-plane GG to > compose. If I want critical focus with the GG, I use > a high powered loupe > and not the finder... > > > Eric Goldstein > > Good info and advice Eric, thanks! -Paul From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Apr 5 14:40:42 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:40:42 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: <20030404233454.95179.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030404233454.95179.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 3:34 pm -0800 4/4/03, Paul Reese wrote: snip >Clive, the eye-level viewer is a >pseudo-pyramid-shaped, loupe-like device which fits >onto the ground glass assembly. It has an eyepiece on >the small end which I believe has 2.8x magnification, >vs. 3x for the reflex viewer -- or vice-versa. Paul, I use the Omegaflex reflex viewer for ground glass focusing on large format cameras and also have the Omegaflex eye-level viewer. Seems to make sense that it's the same device used for the Rapid Omega and Koni-Omega Rapid cameras. The reflex viewer is ideal for getting into the corners of the ground glass and has a fairly bright image. The magnification of the eye-level viewer always seems a little short of the mark required for critical focusing. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Apr 5 15:08:27 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 10:08:27 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Found this to help calc exposure comp shooting close in... http://www.salzgeber.at/disc/ Seems to work well... also gives you derivations so you can do the math for yourself if you wish... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Apr 6 08:57:14 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 23:57:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [KOML] Re: Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030406075714.32380.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Eric! I'll have to try this. I was supposedly good at math in high school, but anything more complicated than the Pythagorean Theorem these days makes my eyes cross ... -Paul --- Eric Goldstein wrote: > Found this to help calc exposure comp shooting close > in... > > http://www.salzgeber.at/disc/ > > Seems to work well... also gives you derivations so > you can do the math for > yourself if you wish... > > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Apr 6 08:54:52 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 23:54:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [KOML] Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030406075452.38039.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> --- Clive Warren wrote: > Paul, > > I use the Omegaflex reflex viewer for ground glass > focusing on large > format cameras ... . > > Cheers, > Clive > I'll have to try that, thanks! -Paul From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Apr 7 01:50:15 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 20:50:15 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: <20030406075714.32380.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Paul Reese wrote: > Thanks Eric! I'll have to try this. > > I was supposedly good at math in high school, but > anything more complicated than the Pythagorean Theorem > these days makes my eyes cross ... I am a fingers/toes man myself Paul... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Apr 7 20:19:42 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Close-up Kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030407191942.1386.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eric Goldstein wrote: > Paul Reese wrote: > > > Thanks Eric! I'll have to try this. > > > > I was supposedly good at math in high school, but > > anything more complicated than the Pythagorean > Theorem > > these days makes my eyes cross ... > > > I am a fingers/toes man myself Paul... > > > Eric Goldstein I believe crossing of the fingers and toes is a traditional bid for good luck, thus implying hope of success. Eye-crossing, in my case, indicates abject surrender (and possible loss of consciousness). Kudos to you. -Paul From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 25 21:36:46 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Game*Alot Toys & Games) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:36:46 -0700 Subject: [KOML] 10MM Koni Spacer Message-ID: eBay has a 10MM Koni space up for auction right now. Item #2924613314. When I looked it was at $46.00. Judging from that price, they must truly be hard to find. Frank -- Game*Alot Toys & Games Voice: 831/429-9009 Fax: 831/429-6609 Quality Toys for Fun and Learning Web :www.gamealot.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 25 22:43:53 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:43:53 -0400 Subject: [KOML] 10MM Koni Spacer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Game*Alot Toys & Games wrote: > eBay has a 10MM Koni space up for auction right now. Item > #2924613314. When I looked it was at $46.00. Judging from that price, > they must truly be hard to find. I have seen the 20mm spacers fir the 'flex go for a hundred bucks... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Apr 27 19:34:05 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (John L) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:34:05 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: 120 in 220 Message-ID: Hey Has anyone used 120 film on a 220 back? John _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Apr 27 20:50:17 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (R. J. Bender) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:50:17 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: 120 in 220 References: Message-ID: <000701c30cf6$3afdb720$88e08ed0@rjbender> Greetings, Yes, it is possible to use 120 film in a 220 RO back. The frames do not overlap, but the spacing gradually decreases from 13 mm between frames 1 and 2 to 3 mm between frames 9 and 10. There is about 35 mm of film leader and trailer at the ends. Advancing one frame requires about 1 and 1/2 turns on the take up spool. Due to the thickness of the paper backing, 1 1/2 turns on the take up spool will pull more 120 film across the film gate than the 220 film for which the counter was designed. Just remember to advance to frame 20 before removing the back from the camera. Most of the 220 backs I've seen are usually in great shape and cheap. No one seems to want them. R. J. Bender ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L" To: Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 1:34 PM Subject: [KOML] Re: 120 in 220 > Hey > > Has anyone used 120 film on a 220 back? > > John > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Apr 27 21:05:43 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Archer Enterprises) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:05:43 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: 120 in 220 References: <000701c30cf6$3afdb720$88e08ed0@rjbender> Message-ID: <000c01c30cf8$63143fc0$9d4d9d40@user> And start shooting on the last set of green dots (before number 1 comes up), the 220 back has 4 sets as opposed to 3 on the 120. I`ve seen quite a few 220 backs that were damn well beat up by wedding photogs who used/abused them every weekend. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. J. Bender" To: Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: 120 in 220 > Greetings, > > Yes, it is possible to use 120 film in a 220 RO back. The frames do not > overlap, but the spacing gradually decreases from 13 mm between frames 1 and > 2 to 3 mm between frames 9 and 10. There is about 35 mm of film leader and > trailer at the ends. > Advancing one frame requires about 1 and 1/2 turns on the take up spool. > Due to the thickness of the paper backing, 1 1/2 turns on the take up spool > will pull more 120 film across the film gate than the 220 film for which > the counter was designed. Just remember to advance to frame 20 before > removing the back from the camera. > Most of the 220 backs I've seen are usually in great shape and cheap. No > one seems to want them. > > R. J. Bender > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John L" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 1:34 PM > Subject: [KOML] Re: 120 in 220 > > > > Hey > > > > Has anyone used 120 film on a 220 back? > > > > John > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu May 15 13:58:06 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:58:06 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Spacers for Close Focus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:40 pm +0100 2/4/03, Clive Warren wrote: >Dear All, > >Am looking for a set of spacers for a Rapid Omega to allow closer >focus using a ground glass back in place of the film back. > >These seem to be rather thin on the ground so any leads would be welcome. Well, one spacer went on EBay for $153 recently!! That's more than I paid for my K-O Rapid and must have been a couple of collectors rather than users pushing the price up - or maybe another case of EBay madness..... Will continue to keep my eyes open. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu May 15 14:18:29 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:18:29 +0100 Subject: [KOML] 10MM Koni Spacer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:36 pm -0700 25/4/03, Game*Alot Toys & Games wrote: >eBay has a 10MM Koni space up for auction right now. Item >#2924613314. When I looked it was at $46.00. Judging from that >price, they must truly be hard to find. > >Frank Frank, Thanks for the heads up on the spacer - I was trying to remember who had posted the info. The final price of $153 was unbelievable! Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 17 21:09:54 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:09:54 -0600 Subject: [KOML] E-20 and gear up on Ebay. Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E180702@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> I've discovered a new hobby: motorcycles (got my license Monday after = taking the MSF course this past weekend). I'm selling some of my camera gear = and hanging on to just a simple point and shoot digital (Nikon 5400 after I = sell my Nikon 4300 soon) for awhile so that I may be able to save money to = get the bike. I'm not getting out of photography, just toning it down a = bit. Still have the Bronica ETRS and Canon A5.=20 =A0 So if you know anybody interested in getting an E-20 or some = accessories, go take a look. Hopefully, it's all listed correctly and at decent = starting prices. It's been awhile. I originally bought everything listed except = the macro for $1600 as a Buy It Now on eBay. $1600 would get me a decent = used starter cruiser.....Kawasaki Eliminator, Suzuki Savage, Honda Rebel... =A0 ....and yes, I will wear a full face helmet! =A0 =A0 E-20N: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2935597455&category= =3D43457 &rd=3D1 =A0 LiPo Battery/grip set: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2935603912&category= =3D29994 &rd=3D1 =A0 Macro: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2935606416&category= =3D30068 &rd=3D1 =A0 Wide Angle: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2935608966&category= =3D30068 &rd=3D1 =A0 And my Koni Omega Rapid 200 (6x7 Rangefinder), 220 back, 120 back and = the Auto-Up will also be going to auction some time this week. =A0 Thanks, Barbara From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 17 21:55:27 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:55:27 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: E-20 and gear up on Ebay. In-Reply-To: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E180702@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: > I've discovered a new hobby: motorcycles What in G-d's name is this about?!? Motorcycles? Crotch-rockets? What about art? What about expression? What about your sensitive nurturing side? What happened? Is there a story here... a new relationship? A life-changing event? For G-d's sake, sell the digital stuff, but at least hold on to the K-Os; you could have a change of heart... I really don't feel well... my world is shaken... Barbara how could you? Please don't leave... Love, Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 17 22:24:12 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:24:12 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: E-20 and gear up on Ebay. Message-ID: <20030617212413.IWMY7627.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Well, you know how those fickle ladies are - one day they're bracketing shots of a Day Lilly, and the next they're out smoking up the atmosphere on their chopper. So instead of that new printer, you'll be saving for leather pants, I suppose. Well, be careful. It's a jungle out there. But have fun. Have you thought of taking pictures while airborne on a Harley? New photographic category. You should keep the K-O's. At today's prices, they won't bring enough to make a big difference anyway, and you might want to revert some day. Best, Barry > > From: Eric Goldstein > Date: 2003/06/17 Tue PM 04:55:27 EDT > To: > Subject: [KOML] Re: E-20 and gear up on Ebay. > > Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: > > > I've discovered a new hobby: motorcycles > > > What in G-d's name is this about?!? Motorcycles? Crotch-rockets? What about > art? What about expression? What about your sensitive nurturing side? What > happened? > > Is there a story here... a new relationship? A life-changing event? > > For G-d's sake, sell the digital stuff, but at least hold on to the K-Os; > you could have a change of heart... > > I really don't feel well... my world is shaken... Barbara how could you? > Please don't leave... > > > Love, > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 17 22:23:21 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:23:21 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: E-20 and gear up on Ebay. Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E180704@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> No, not crotch rockets...cruisers! Nurturing side??? HA!!! Yeah, I hate to sell the Koni, but I'll be around on the list. I'll be the Koni-less person in the group. That's funny if you think about it. I used to have 3 of 'em and 13 backs and all the lenses and then some. I'll eventually get another Koni. I just want the bike sooner than later, before I forget everything. You nailed it! It WAS a life altering event that got me wanting to seriously ride. Don't get me wrong, I've always wanted to ride. And I guess I never realized I could actually do it. Daddy can't say no now. I can remember the exact day. It was the day of my karate tournament. I must have gotten hit in the head pretty hard 'cause ever since, that's all I can think about is riding. I won both matches in the tournament and got a big trophy. I've watched the show on the Discovery channel where the six girls ride through four states. I've watched it twice. Two of 'em are photographers! I LOVED the weaving thing we did in the motorcycle school. I want more!!! Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Eric Goldstein [mailto:egoldste@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:55 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Re: E-20 and gear up on Ebay. Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: > I've discovered a new hobby: motorcycles What in G-d's name is this about?!? Motorcycles? Crotch-rockets? What about art? What about expression? What about your sensitive nurturing side? What happened? Is there a story here... a new relationship? A life-changing event? For G-d's sake, sell the digital stuff, but at least hold on to the K-Os; you could have a change of heart... I really don't feel well... my world is shaken... Barbara how could you? Please don't leave... Love, Eric Goldstein _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 18 00:18:40 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:18:40 +0100 Subject: [KOML] E-20 and gear up on Ebay. In-Reply-To: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E180702@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E180702@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: At 2:09 pm -0600 17/6/03, Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: >I've discovered a new hobby: motorcycles (got my license Monday after taking >the MSF course this past weekend). I'm selling some of my camera gear and snip > >And my Koni Omega Rapid 200 (6x7 Rangefinder), 220 back, 120 back and the >Auto-Up will also be going to auction some time this week. > >Thanks, >Barbara Barbara, If you were in the UK you could have DOG - my old lowrider if you keep your KO kit! You will probably make more from your auto-ups than the camera the way that things have been going on EBay. I would suggest hanging on the the RO 200 with the standard lens as it can be difficult to find 'em in good condition. That RO will fit nicely into a shoulder bag for when you are out on the highway and find that one off shot that really should be on MF film rather than a digital point and shoot...... DOG is a 2 litre DOHC Ford Pinto engine with twin choke carb running straight through shotgun pipes, no gearbox and a right angle bevel drive off a mine sweeper (Portsmouth Harbour Scrap Yard) to a chain drive - think Mad Max and you'll have it..... It's faster than my Laverda Jota 180 (and a lot more lively!) Keep the camera AND have the cycle :-) Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 18 02:37:45 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (R. J. Bender) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:37:45 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: E-20 and gear up on Ebay. References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E180704@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: <002001c3353a$38261120$85e08ed0@rjbender> From: "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" > I LOVED the weaving thing we did in the motorcycle school. I want more!!! Now it's weaving.... then "stoppies" http://www.streetfighterz.com/images/pics/01_pics/james_stoppie.jpg "wheelies" http://www.streetfighterz.com/images/pics/dan_frog_wheelie2.jpg and "highchairs" http://www.streetfighterz.com/images/pics/d_highchair.jpg From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 18 02:41:59 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:41:59 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: E-20 and gear up on Ebay. Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E180709@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Hmmm....I nearly did a "stoppie", on pure accident. (luckily) I let go of the front brake and reapplied. -----Original Message----- From: R. J. Bender [mailto:rjbender@apci.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:38 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: E-20 and gear up on Ebay. From: "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" > I LOVED the weaving thing we did in the motorcycle school. I want more!!! Now it's weaving.... then "stoppies" http://www.streetfighterz.com/images/pics/01_pics/james_stoppie.jpg "wheelies" http://www.streetfighterz.com/images/pics/dan_frog_wheelie2.jpg and "highchairs" http://www.streetfighterz.com/images/pics/d_highchair.jpg _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 18 02:50:53 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Peter Jones) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:50:53 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Odd Koni hood 51 mm ??? Message-ID: <87hvevorapo75lh0tcfdptsrgo7nhhgepq@4ax.com> Hi, I've just come into posession of a rather odd sized Konica lens hood. The box says ' Koni Hood 51 mm for Konica'. It's a clamp on type hood with a small thumbscrew. I think it might well be for a Koni Omega lens. Can anyone hazard a guess as to what it was originally made to fit? Peter -- -- Peter Jones peter@urbanimage.net London NW6 From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 18 03:05:47 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] E-20 and gear up on Ebay. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030618020547.23424.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> --- Clive Warren wrote: > > Barbara, > I would > suggest hanging on > the the RO 200 with the standard lens as it can be > difficult to find > 'em in good condition. That RO will fit nicely into > a shoulder bag > for when you are out on the highway and find that > one off shot that > really should be on MF film rather than a digital > point and > shoot...... > > Keep the camera AND have the cycle :-) > > Cheers, > Clive > Barbara, Follow that passion (carefully)! I'll second Clive's suggestion to hang onto the RO200 & 90mm lens if possible. (Do you really want to be without 6x7 entirely?) But I'm NOT sure you'll want to carry it along when riding. I have a biker friend who has had several cameras come apart (and rather quickly) due to the vibrations from his Harley. Screws just love to come loose. I'll bet you'd have a heck of a time keeping the rangefinder properly adjusted, too. Wear your helmet & leathers -- and enjoy! -Paul From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 18 04:53:56 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Archer Enterprises) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:53:56 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Odd Koni hood 51 mm ??? References: <87hvevorapo75lh0tcfdptsrgo7nhhgepq@4ax.com> Message-ID: <002601c3354d$3f3fb700$854d4bab@user> All K-O lenses come with built-in hoods, so I would guess that it`s for one of the older Konica 35mm rangefinders. Most of them used 49mm filters, so 51mm would be just about right for a lens hood. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jones" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:50 PM Subject: [KOML] Odd Koni hood 51 mm ??? Hi, I've just come into posession of a rather odd sized Konica lens hood. The box says ' Koni Hood 51 mm for Konica'. It's a clamp on type hood with a small thumbscrew. I think it might well be for a Koni Omega lens. Can anyone hazard a guess as to what it was originally made to fit? Peter -- -- Peter Jones peter@urbanimage.net London NW6 _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 21 13:03:50 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:03:50 +0100 Subject: [KOML] E-20 and gear up on Ebay. In-Reply-To: <20030618020547.23424.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030618020547.23424.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 7:05 pm -0700 17/6/03, Paul R. wrote: snip > > Keep the camera AND have the cycle :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Clive >> > >Barbara, > >Follow that passion (carefully)! > >I'll second Clive's suggestion to hang onto the RO200 >& 90mm lens if possible. (Do you really want to be >without 6x7 entirely?) But I'm NOT sure you'll want >to carry it along when riding. I have a biker friend >who has had several cameras come apart (and rather >quickly) due to the vibrations from his Harley. >Screws just love to come loose. I'll bet you'd have a >heck of a time keeping the rangefinder properly >adjusted, too. > >Wear your helmet & leathers -- and enjoy! > >-Paul Yes, but all Hardleys are like that ;-) 'Bout 20 years ago only one person I knew had a Hardley - we used to follow up behind picking up various bits and pieces as they vibrated off...... Having carried KOs and ROs, various SLRs and large format cameras on a range of motorcycles, the only problem I have had was being caught up in Hurricane Charlie when an SLR became a little damp.... If you use a shoulder bag the additional cushioning will keep any delicate device happy. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 21 13:22:45 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:22:45 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Odd Koni hood 51 mm ??? In-Reply-To: <002601c3354d$3f3fb700$854d4bab@user> References: <87hvevorapo75lh0tcfdptsrgo7nhhgepq@4ax.com> <002601c3354d$3f3fb700$854d4bab@user> Message-ID: At 11:53 pm -0400 17/6/03, Archer Enterprises wrote: >All K-O lenses come with built-in hoods, so I would guess that it`s for one >of the older Konica 35mm rangefinders. Most of them used 49mm filters, so >51mm would be just about right for a lens hood. > >Robert > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Jones" >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:50 PM > >I've just come into posession of a rather odd sized Konica lens hood. >The box says ' Koni Hood 51 mm for Konica'. It's a clamp on type hood >with a small thumbscrew. > >I think it might well be for a Koni Omega lens. > >Can anyone hazard a guess as to what it was originally made to fit? > >Peter Remember also the Konica SLR cameras eg the Autoreflex. These had a range of excellent Hexanon lenses produced over a number of years. Could also be a hood for one of SLR lenses. Seems possible that Robert has hit the nail on the head with the rangefinder, however the Konica Auto S has a 54mm outside diameter on the lens. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 21 17:21:04 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Odd Koni hood 51 mm ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030621162104.42306.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> --- Clive Warren wrote: > At 11:53 pm -0400 17/6/03, Archer Enterprises wrote: > >All K-O lenses come with built-in hoods, so I would > guess that it`s for one > >of the older Konica 35mm rangefinders. Most of > them used 49mm filters, so > >51mm would be just about right for a lens hood. > > > >Robert > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Jones" > >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:50 PM > > > >I've just come into posession of a rather odd sized > Konica lens hood. > >The box says ' Koni Hood 51 mm for Konica'. It's a > clamp on type hood > >with a small thumbscrew. > > > >I think it might well be for a Koni Omega lens. > > > >Can anyone hazard a guess as to what it was > originally made to fit? > > > >Peter > > Remember also the Konica SLR cameras eg the > Autoreflex. These had a > range of excellent Hexanon lenses produced over a > number of years. > Could also be a hood for one of SLR lenses. Seems > possible that > Robert has hit the nail on the head with the > rangefinder, however the > Konica Auto S has a 54mm outside diameter on the > lens. > > Cheers, > Clive > I have a few Konica SLRs and many Hexanon lenses for them, in a variety of focal lengths. From everything I've seen, 55mm is the 'standard' filter ring size. There are larger filter rings on some of the exotic Hexanons, but I've never seen one _smaller_ than 55mm. The only add-on (not built in) hood that I've seen is for the 24mm and 28mm Hexanons -- and once again, they have the common 55mm filter rings. So Robert's rangefinder guess seems likely correct to me. -Paul From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 21 20:24:52 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Archer Enterprises) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:24:52 -0400 Subject: [KOML] E-20 and gear up on Ebay. References: <20030618020547.23424.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c3382a$caa99880$2a4b4bab@user> Re: the Harley/vibration problem....the solution is to get a 55-gallon drum of Lock-Tite and dip the whole bike in it....(grins) Robert (former XLCH Sportster owner) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Warren" To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] E-20 and gear up on Ebay. > At 7:05 pm -0700 17/6/03, Paul R. wrote: > snip > > > Keep the camera AND have the cycle :-) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Clive > >> > > > >Barbara, > > > >Follow that passion (carefully)! > > > >I'll second Clive's suggestion to hang onto the RO200 > >& 90mm lens if possible. (Do you really want to be > >without 6x7 entirely?) But I'm NOT sure you'll want > >to carry it along when riding. I have a biker friend > >who has had several cameras come apart (and rather > >quickly) due to the vibrations from his Harley. > >Screws just love to come loose. I'll bet you'd have a > >heck of a time keeping the rangefinder properly > >adjusted, too. > > > >Wear your helmet & leathers -- and enjoy! > > > >-Paul > > > Yes, but all Hardleys are like that ;-) 'Bout 20 years ago only one > person I knew had a Hardley - we used to follow up behind picking up > various bits and pieces as they vibrated off...... > > Having carried KOs and ROs, various SLRs and large format cameras on > a range of motorcycles, the only problem I have had was being caught > up in Hurricane Charlie when an SLR became a little damp.... > > If you use a shoulder bag the additional cushioning will keep any > delicate device happy. > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 3 22:07:15 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:07:15 -0400 Subject: [KOML] 135mm and Rapid? Message-ID: Every so often one gets in the right place at the right time - happened to me today. Stopped in my local camera emporium and there on the country was a Rapid Omega 200 with three lenses - the 90, the 58 and a 135. All lovely. Body+90 was $250, 58+aux finder was $150, 135 was $100. Had been left on consignment about 30 minutes earlier. I snagged the 135 instantly. I already have the wide angle and a pair of straight Rapid bodies. I know that there's no lines in the Rapid finder for the 135, but will it still focus correctly? I plan to use an aux finder for framing. Also side effect of changing computers is that I've misplaced the contact info for Mr Weaver...if anybody can help I'd appreciate it. -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html WARNING: Above message may contain nuts or nut products. From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 3 22:16:35 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Martyn, Rick) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:16:35 -0700 Subject: [KOML] 135mm and Rapid? Message-ID: Craig, Any chance you would be willing to purchase the 58 plus finder and = resell it to me? If everything is working $150 is a very good price and = I would be forever in your debt. Thanks for considering this, Rick Martyn (home) zvalmart@worldnet.att.net=20 or (work) rzm1@pge.com (925) 682-2408 -----Original Message----- From: Craig Zeni [mailto:clzeni@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:07 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] 135mm and Rapid? Every so often one gets in the right place at the right time -=20 happened to me today. Stopped in my local camera emporium and there=20 on the country was a Rapid Omega 200 with three lenses - the 90, the=20 58 and a 135. All lovely. Body+90 was $250, 58+aux finder was $150,=20 135 was $100. Had been left on consignment about 30 minutes earlier.=20 I snagged the 135 instantly. I already have the wide angle and a pair=20 of straight Rapid bodies. I know that there's no lines in the Rapid finder for the 135, but=20 will it still focus correctly? I plan to use an aux finder for=20 framing. Also side effect of changing computers is that I've misplaced the=20 contact info for Mr Weaver...if anybody can help I'd appreciate it. --=20 Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html WARNING: Above message may contain nuts or nut products. _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 7 16:04:33 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 11:04:33 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex Outfit Message-ID: Folks - Anyone interested in a nice system can check out: http://www.photo.net/gc/view-one.tcl?classified_ad_id=536741 I know the seller from email correspondence. Unusual for this camera is the Maxwell screen installed by Greg Weber... first ever! Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 7 17:08:32 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:08:32 +0100 Subject: [KOML] 135mm and Rapid? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:07 pm -0400 3/7/03, Craig Zeni wrote: >Every so often one gets in the right place at the right time - >happened to me today. Stopped in my local camera emporium and >there on the country was a Rapid Omega 200 with three lenses - the >90, the 58 and a 135. All lovely. Body+90 was $250, 58+aux finder >was $150, 135 was $100. Had been left on consignment about 30 >minutes earlier. I snagged the 135 instantly. I already have the >wide angle and a pair of straight Rapid bodies. > >I know that there's no lines in the Rapid finder for the 135, but >will it still focus correctly? I plan to use an aux finder for >framing. > >Also side effect of changing computers is that I've misplaced the >contact info for Mr Weaver...if anybody can help I'd appreciate it. Hello Craig, Well you picked up a bargain there! The Rapid Omega should have the focus lines for the 135mm - the Koni-Omega Rapid does not. Your Rapid Omega should be fine with the 135mm and we're looking forward to hearing about how well it performs. Search the archives on http://www.koni-omega.org for Greg's contact details - everything inside! I would have been tempted to pick up the 58mm and finder as well but resisting a bargain has always been difficult....... Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 7 17:28:37 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Donald R Hensley, Jr.) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:28:37 -0400 Subject: [KOML] 135mm and Rapid? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does the camera shop still have the 58? I would be interested in the contact info for the shop if possible. Donald R. Hensley, Jr. Photographer & Historian Visit Tap Lines at http://taplines.net Southeastern Short Line and Industrial Railroad History Specializing in Florida and Georgia -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Clive Warren Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:09 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] 135mm and Rapid? At 5:07 pm -0400 3/7/03, Craig Zeni wrote: >Every so often one gets in the right place at the right time - >happened to me today. Stopped in my local camera emporium and >there on the country was a Rapid Omega 200 with three lenses - the >90, the 58 and a 135. All lovely. Body+90 was $250, 58+aux finder >was $150, 135 was $100. Had been left on consignment about 30 >minutes earlier. I snagged the 135 instantly. I already have the >wide angle and a pair of straight Rapid bodies. > >I know that there's no lines in the Rapid finder for the 135, but >will it still focus correctly? I plan to use an aux finder for >framing. > >Also side effect of changing computers is that I've misplaced the >contact info for Mr Weaver...if anybody can help I'd appreciate it. Hello Craig, Well you picked up a bargain there! The Rapid Omega should have the focus lines for the 135mm - the Koni-Omega Rapid does not. Your Rapid Omega should be fine with the 135mm and we're looking forward to hearing about how well it performs. Search the archives on http://www.koni-omega.org for Greg's contact details - everything inside! I would have been tempted to pick up the 58mm and finder as well but resisting a bargain has always been difficult....... Cheers, Clive _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/2003 From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 7 18:02:29 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Martyn, Rick) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:02:29 -0700 Subject: [KOML] 135mm and Rapid? Message-ID: The 58 and finder have been purchased. Rick M. -----Original Message----- From: Donald R Hensley, Jr. [mailto:taplines@alltel.net] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:29 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: RE: [KOML] 135mm and Rapid? Importance: High Does the camera shop still have the 58? I would be interested in the = contact info for the shop if possible. Donald R. Hensley, Jr. Photographer & Historian Visit Tap Lines at http://taplines.net Southeastern Short Line and Industrial Railroad History Specializing in Florida and Georgia -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Clive Warren Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:09 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] 135mm and Rapid? At 5:07 pm -0400 3/7/03, Craig Zeni wrote: >Every so often one gets in the right place at the right time - >happened to me today. Stopped in my local camera emporium and >there on the country was a Rapid Omega 200 with three lenses - the >90, the 58 and a 135. All lovely. Body+90 was $250, 58+aux finder >was $150, 135 was $100. Had been left on consignment about 30 >minutes earlier. I snagged the 135 instantly. I already have the >wide angle and a pair of straight Rapid bodies. > >I know that there's no lines in the Rapid finder for the 135, but >will it still focus correctly? I plan to use an aux finder for >framing. > >Also side effect of changing computers is that I've misplaced the >contact info for Mr Weaver...if anybody can help I'd appreciate it. Hello Craig, Well you picked up a bargain there! The Rapid Omega should have the focus lines for the 135mm - the Koni-Omega Rapid does not. Your Rapid Omega should be fine with the 135mm and we're looking forward to hearing about how well it performs. Search the archives on http://www.koni-omega.org for Greg's contact details - everything inside! I would have been tempted to pick up the 58mm and finder as well but resisting a bargain has always been difficult....... Cheers, Clive _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/2003 _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 7 18:25:58 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:25:58 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex Outfit Message-ID: <20030707172559.KSLH26675.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I exchanged a couple of emails with the seller about this. Sounds like a very nice setup, but he's gotten a couple of offers (according to him) in the $1350 range, and wants more. He would be willing to discuss a trade for some lighter MF stuff, however. So you'll need some cash if you wish to pursue this, but it sounds like a nice outfit. Best, Barry > > From: Eric Goldstein > Date: 2003/07/07 Mon AM 11:04:33 EDT > To: > Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex Outfit > > Folks - > > Anyone interested in a nice system can check out: > > http://www.photo.net/gc/view-one.tcl?classified_ad_id=536741 > > I know the seller from email correspondence. Unusual for this camera is the > Maxwell screen installed by Greg Weber... first ever! > > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 8 03:03:17 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff McAuliffe) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:03:17 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex Outfit References: Message-ID: <3F0A2665.6045C126@optonline.net> This sounds very much like a beautiful and complete Omegaflex outfit that was on Ebay a year (or 2?) ago. The seller was from South Africa. I dropped out just below $900 (US), it went for over $1000 plus at least $100 for shipping. Geoff McAuliffe Piscataway, NJ Eric Goldstein wrote: > Folks - > > Anyone interested in a nice system can check out: > > http://www.photo.net/gc/view-one.tcl?classified_ad_id=536741 > > I know the seller from email correspondence. Unusual for this camera is the > Maxwell screen installed by Greg Weber... first ever! > > Eric Goldstein > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 8 03:27:00 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:27:00 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex Outfit In-Reply-To: <3F0A2665.6045C126@optonline.net> Message-ID: Geoff McAuliffe wrote: > This sounds very much like a beautiful and complete Omegaflex outfit that was > on Ebay a year (or 2?) ago. The seller was from South Africa. I dropped out > just below $900 (US), it went for over $1000 plus at least $100 for shipping. > > Geoff McAuliffe > Piscataway, NJ Hi Geoff - The seller of this outfit's name is Paul and he is US... he bought the outfit about 6 months ago with my help (from B&H), worked with Bill Maxwell to get the first of his Omegaflex screens installed (took forever!) 'cause his eyes aren't what they used to be, then tried to shoot it and found it too heavy (he has a bit of arthritis). He needs something lighter... maybe a Mamaya 7... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 16 21:29:02 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:29:02 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... Message-ID: Insidious, I tell you. It's EVIL. After grabbing the 135mm lens, and another list member getting the wide angle, I went back to the store yesterday and got the camera itself...a black 200 with a 90mm lens and a 120 back. Lens could stand an internal defogging but the speeds sound spot on. I cleaned the RF a bit under the top, but it (and the back) could stand a real CLA. Anybody with quick access to Greg Weber's contact info? There's a young student that works there who had not seen a KO before...I took great delight in showing him the beast. He was astounded by all the interlocks and so forth...was also impressed that a 6x7 could be had in such a 'small' package. Then I told him the glass was excellent... :) -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html WARNING: Above message may contain nuts or nut products. From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 16 21:34:03 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:34:03 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E1807D4@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Here ya go: Greg Weber Phone: 402-721-3873 2022 E. 7th St. Fax #: 402-721-3838 Fremont, Ne 68025 Toll free: 1-877-721-3873 -----Original Message----- From: Craig Zeni [mailto:clzeni@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:29 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... Insidious, I tell you. It's EVIL. After grabbing the 135mm lens, and another list member getting the wide angle, I went back to the store yesterday and got the camera itself...a black 200 with a 90mm lens and a 120 back. Lens could stand an internal defogging but the speeds sound spot on. I cleaned the RF a bit under the top, but it (and the back) could stand a real CLA. Anybody with quick access to Greg Weber's contact info? There's a young student that works there who had not seen a KO before...I took great delight in showing him the beast. He was astounded by all the interlocks and so forth...was also impressed that a 6x7 could be had in such a 'small' package. Then I told him the glass was excellent... :) -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html WARNING: Above message may contain nuts or nut products. _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 16 21:57:12 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:57:12 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... Message-ID: <20030716205711.QEUO26675.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> And his email is: gweber@teknetwork.com Best, Barry PS: Hey, Barbara, have you bought a bike yet? > > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > Date: 2003/07/16 Wed PM 04:34:03 EDT > To: "'koml@koni-omega.org'" > Subject: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > Here ya go: > > Greg Weber Phone: 402-721-3873 > 2022 E. 7th St. Fax #: 402-721-3838 > Fremont, Ne 68025 Toll free: 1-877-721-3873 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Zeni [mailto:clzeni@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:29 PM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > Insidious, I tell you. It's EVIL. > > After grabbing the 135mm lens, and another list member getting the > wide angle, I went back to the store yesterday and got the camera > itself...a black 200 with a 90mm lens and a 120 back. Lens could > stand an internal defogging but the speeds sound spot on. I cleaned > the RF a bit under the top, but it (and the back) could stand a real > CLA. Anybody with quick access to Greg Weber's contact info? > > There's a young student that works there who had not seen a KO > before...I took great delight in showing him the beast. He was > astounded by all the interlocks and so forth...was also impressed > that a 6x7 could be had in such a 'small' package. Then I told him > the glass was excellent... :) > -- > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html > > WARNING: Above message may contain nuts or nut products. > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 16 22:05:04 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:05:04 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E1807D5@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Oh Yeah! I bought a 1986 Honda Rebel 450 - AND I LOVE IT!!!! Joined a biker chic group and we've been riding every weekend. My first weekend I put 240 miles on it. My second weekend, I changed the oil, filter, air filter and spark plugs and then put over a 100 miles on it. Last weekend another 100 miles and my boyfriend rented a Harley so we rode together. I like the Harley, but the clutch is too tight for my little hands. I did manage to hang onto my Koni and not sell any of it, but I am selling my Bronica system now on ebay. I'm going for the Canon 10D finally. My Koni and Holga will be the only remnants of my med. Format gear. I've got lots of film in the fridge though. I might have to go take a bike trip to just burn film! I finally braved taking my camera with me on my last trip. I wanted to ride today since it's a national day. Ride your Bike to work day. It's raining here though...I guess the rain is no big deal, it's just that dang hurricane. Hee hee Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Barry F [mailto:afs760bf@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:57 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... And his email is: gweber@teknetwork.com Best, Barry PS: Hey, Barbara, have you bought a bike yet? > > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > Date: 2003/07/16 Wed PM 04:34:03 EDT > To: "'koml@koni-omega.org'" > Subject: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > Here ya go: > > Greg Weber Phone: 402-721-3873 > 2022 E. 7th St. Fax #: 402-721-3838 > Fremont, Ne 68025 Toll free: 1-877-721-3873 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Zeni [mailto:clzeni@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:29 PM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > Insidious, I tell you. It's EVIL. > > After grabbing the 135mm lens, and another list member getting the > wide angle, I went back to the store yesterday and got the camera > itself...a black 200 with a 90mm lens and a 120 back. Lens could > stand an internal defogging but the speeds sound spot on. I cleaned > the RF a bit under the top, but it (and the back) could stand a real > CLA. Anybody with quick access to Greg Weber's contact info? > > There's a young student that works there who had not seen a KO > before...I took great delight in showing him the beast. He was > astounded by all the interlocks and so forth...was also impressed > that a 6x7 could be had in such a 'small' package. Then I told him > the glass was excellent... :) > -- > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html > > WARNING: Above message may contain nuts or nut products. > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 16 22:18:25 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:18:25 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E1807D6@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> I forgot to mention that I also got the Nikon 5400 which seems to be a pretty nice little camera. It was supposed to take place of my Nikon 4300 and Oly E-20. I sold the E-20 to get my bike. Then I sold the 4300 to get the 5400. I miss the E-20 though and it's a great camera for weddings. So, that's why the Canon 10D (I already have Canon A5 and equipment to go with it). I had tried to convince myself that I'd be fine with using film cameras for weddings, but dang if I don't like that instant satisfaction of knowing I got the picture! It might be possible to use the 5400 for weddings, but I'm not sure if it (or me) is really capable. Although I just discovered the 64 meg buffer really works when you put it on a high speed setting. It goes through those rechargeable batteries pretty quickly. Aw shoot I'm off topic... Isn't the Koni an awesome camera?! Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Barry F [mailto:afs760bf@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:57 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... And his email is: gweber@teknetwork.com Best, Barry PS: Hey, Barbara, have you bought a bike yet? > > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > Date: 2003/07/16 Wed PM 04:34:03 EDT > To: "'koml@koni-omega.org'" > Subject: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > Here ya go: > > Greg Weber Phone: 402-721-3873 > 2022 E. 7th St. Fax #: 402-721-3838 > Fremont, Ne 68025 Toll free: 1-877-721-3873 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Zeni [mailto:clzeni@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:29 PM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > Insidious, I tell you. It's EVIL. > > After grabbing the 135mm lens, and another list member getting the > wide angle, I went back to the store yesterday and got the camera > itself...a black 200 with a 90mm lens and a 120 back. Lens could > stand an internal defogging but the speeds sound spot on. I cleaned > the RF a bit under the top, but it (and the back) could stand a real > CLA. Anybody with quick access to Greg Weber's contact info? > > There's a young student that works there who had not seen a KO > before...I took great delight in showing him the beast. He was > astounded by all the interlocks and so forth...was also impressed > that a 6x7 could be had in such a 'small' package. Then I told him > the glass was excellent... :) > -- > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html > > WARNING: Above message may contain nuts or nut products. > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 17 13:39:56 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 8:39:56 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... Message-ID: <20030717123956.OCJE7627.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I've heard a lot of good reviews on the 10D, but you can buy a bike for what you spent on it, probably. Thanks for keeping us informed. There's not enough traffic on this group to worry about staying completely on topic. Information is always good. Best, Barry > > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > Date: 2003/07/16 Wed PM 05:18:25 EDT > To: "'koml@koni-omega.org'" > Subject: RE: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > I forgot to mention that I also got the Nikon 5400 which seems to be a > pretty nice little camera. It was supposed to take place of my Nikon 4300 > and Oly E-20. I sold the E-20 to get my bike. Then I sold the 4300 to get > the 5400. I miss the E-20 though and it's a great camera for weddings. So, > that's why the Canon 10D (I already have Canon A5 and equipment to go with > it). I had tried to convince myself that I'd be fine with using film cameras > for weddings, but dang if I don't like that instant satisfaction of knowing > I got the picture! It might be possible to use the 5400 for weddings, but > I'm not sure if it (or me) is really capable. Although I just discovered the > 64 meg buffer really works when you put it on a high speed setting. It goes > through those rechargeable batteries pretty quickly. > > Aw shoot I'm off topic... > > Isn't the Koni an awesome camera?! > > Barbara > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry F [mailto:afs760bf@cox.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:57 PM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: Re: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > And his email is: gweber@teknetwork.com > Best, > Barry > > PS: Hey, Barbara, have you bought a bike yet? > > > > > > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > > Date: 2003/07/16 Wed PM 04:34:03 EDT > > To: "'koml@koni-omega.org'" > > Subject: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > > > Here ya go: > > > > Greg Weber Phone: 402-721-3873 > > 2022 E. 7th St. Fax #: 402-721-3838 > > Fremont, Ne 68025 Toll free: 1-877-721-3873 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig Zeni [mailto:clzeni@mindspring.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:29 PM > > To: koml@koni-omega.org > > Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > > > Insidious, I tell you. It's EVIL. > > > > After grabbing the 135mm lens, and another list member getting the > > wide angle, I went back to the store yesterday and got the camera > > itself...a black 200 with a 90mm lens and a 120 back. Lens could > > stand an internal defogging but the speeds sound spot on. I cleaned > > the RF a bit under the top, but it (and the back) could stand a real > > CLA. Anybody with quick access to Greg Weber's contact info? > > > > There's a young student that works there who had not seen a KO > > before...I took great delight in showing him the beast. He was > > astounded by all the interlocks and so forth...was also impressed > > that a 6x7 could be had in such a 'small' package. Then I told him > > the glass was excellent... :) > > -- > > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com > > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > > http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html > > > > WARNING: Above message may contain nuts or nut products. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Aug 15 10:23:44 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:23:44 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather Message-ID: Dear All, It's been so quiet thought I would break the silence! Wonderful summer here in the UK - now that it is pleasant to get out there with the KO, the cloudless skies and huge contrast ranges have conspired to keep the KO at home and I have to admit going out with an old Bessa II to grab some wider 6x9 shots of the local docks. With the temperatures so high my normal infrared trips with the KO have ceased - cloudless skies and the problems in keeping my old stock infrared film cool. Still we Brits love to complain about the weather - makes a change to complain about the heat though... Talking of hot and cool - my fridge decided to recreate the ice age a week or so ago and encased a lot of film in the cool compartment in ice. It took about five hours to sort that one out and just wish I had known about it earlier. Lost a little film and printing paper as some of the ziploc bags were rather old and not completely airtight. Could be an idea to check your film stocks..... Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Aug 15 10:27:45 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:27:45 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... In-Reply-To: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E1807D5@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E1807D5@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: At 3:05 pm -0600 16/7/03, Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: snip >I did manage to hang onto my Koni and not sell any of it, but I am selling >my Bronica system now on ebay. I'm going for the Canon 10D finally. >My Koni and Holga will be the only remnants of my med. Format gear. I've got >lots of film in the fridge though. I might have to go take a bike trip to >just burn film! I finally braved taking my camera with me on my last trip. > >I wanted to ride today since it's a national day. Ride your Bike to work >day. It's raining here though...I guess the rain is no big deal, it's just >that dang hurricane. Hee hee Barbara, Hope you're still enjoying the bike. My garage was broken into a couple of weeks ago and although only a few tools went, the doors were so badly damaged they had to be permanently shut with lengths of 2x4 wood. Now waiting for the replacements so I can get the bike out of the garage! How did you find taking the KO on the bike trip with you? Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Aug 15 16:08:18 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:08:18 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E1808A3@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Hey Clive, LOVE THE BIKE!!! I've been riding every weekend. This weekend I've got to figure out how to pack a tent and gear w/o saddlebags.... it's gonna be fun. To be honest, I haven't taken the Koni out...at all....nope. Most of my shooting as of late has just been snapshots. Okay, I'm busted. All of my shooting has been with my Nikon 5400. I did sell my Bronica on Ebay. However, 'cause of some other circumstances the money ended up going elsewhere so no Canon 10D anytime soon. I did pick up another hobby though (as if gardening, fish, photography, and biking weren't enough...plus a full time job, a 10 year old son and housework!) I've taken up oil painting. Self teaching. Pretty relaxing. Although, I'm liking the smell of the paint...hmmmm... So far I've got a great big blue blob and a smaller green blob. It's gonna be a water lily. Heehee Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Clive Warren [mailto:cocam@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:28 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... At 3:05 pm -0600 16/7/03, Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: snip >I did manage to hang onto my Koni and not sell any of it, but I am selling >my Bronica system now on ebay. I'm going for the Canon 10D finally. >My Koni and Holga will be the only remnants of my med. Format gear. I've got >lots of film in the fridge though. I might have to go take a bike trip to >just burn film! I finally braved taking my camera with me on my last trip. > >I wanted to ride today since it's a national day. Ride your Bike to work >day. It's raining here though...I guess the rain is no big deal, it's just >that dang hurricane. Hee hee Barbara, Hope you're still enjoying the bike. My garage was broken into a couple of weeks ago and although only a few tools went, the doors were so badly damaged they had to be permanently shut with lengths of 2x4 wood. Now waiting for the replacements so I can get the bike out of the garage! How did you find taking the KO on the bike trip with you? Cheers, Clive _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Aug 15 17:23:21 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:23:21 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... Message-ID: <20030815162322.TKZG15657.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Well, when you get your water lilly done, take a picture of it with your Koni and post it to the forum site. Best, Barry > > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > Date: 2003/08/15 Fri AM 11:08:18 EDT > To: "'koml@koni-omega.org'" > Subject: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > Hey Clive, > LOVE THE BIKE!!! I've been riding every weekend. This weekend I've got to > figure out how to pack a tent and gear w/o saddlebags.... it's gonna be fun. > > To be honest, I haven't taken the Koni out...at all....nope. Most of my > shooting as of late has just been snapshots. Okay, I'm busted. All of my > shooting has been with my Nikon 5400. I did sell my Bronica on Ebay. > However, 'cause of some other circumstances the money ended up going > elsewhere so no Canon 10D anytime soon. > > I did pick up another hobby though (as if gardening, fish, photography, and > biking weren't enough...plus a full time job, a 10 year old son and > housework!) > I've taken up oil painting. Self teaching. Pretty relaxing. Although, I'm > liking the smell of the paint...hmmmm... > So far I've got a great big blue blob and a smaller green blob. It's gonna > be a water lily. Heehee > > > Barbara > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clive Warren [mailto:cocam@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:28 AM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > At 3:05 pm -0600 16/7/03, Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: > snip > >I did manage to hang onto my Koni and not sell any of it, but I am selling > >my Bronica system now on ebay. I'm going for the Canon 10D finally. > >My Koni and Holga will be the only remnants of my med. Format gear. I've > got > >lots of film in the fridge though. I might have to go take a bike trip to > >just burn film! I finally braved taking my camera with me on my last trip. > > > >I wanted to ride today since it's a national day. Ride your Bike to work > >day. It's raining here though...I guess the rain is no big deal, it's just > >that dang hurricane. Hee hee > > Barbara, > > Hope you're still enjoying the bike. My garage was broken into a > couple of weeks ago and although only a few tools went, the doors > were so badly damaged they had to be permanently shut with lengths of > 2x4 wood. Now waiting for the replacements so I can get the bike out > of the garage! > > How did you find taking the KO on the bike trip with you? > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Aug 15 17:41:18 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:41:18 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E1808AA@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> There's a good idea! (only no critiques on that one! Heeheehee) Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Barry F [mailto:afs760bf@cox.net] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:23 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... Well, when you get your water lilly done, take a picture of it with your Koni and post it to the forum site. Best, Barry > > From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber > Date: 2003/08/15 Fri AM 11:08:18 EDT > To: "'koml@koni-omega.org'" > Subject: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > Hey Clive, > LOVE THE BIKE!!! I've been riding every weekend. This weekend I've got to > figure out how to pack a tent and gear w/o saddlebags.... it's gonna be fun. > > To be honest, I haven't taken the Koni out...at all....nope. Most of my > shooting as of late has just been snapshots. Okay, I'm busted. All of my > shooting has been with my Nikon 5400. I did sell my Bronica on Ebay. > However, 'cause of some other circumstances the money ended up going > elsewhere so no Canon 10D anytime soon. > > I did pick up another hobby though (as if gardening, fish, photography, and > biking weren't enough...plus a full time job, a 10 year old son and > housework!) > I've taken up oil painting. Self teaching. Pretty relaxing. Although, I'm > liking the smell of the paint...hmmmm... > So far I've got a great big blue blob and a smaller green blob. It's gonna > be a water lily. Heehee > > > Barbara > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clive Warren [mailto:cocam@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:28 AM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: RE: [KOML] Omega Acquisition Syndrome... > > At 3:05 pm -0600 16/7/03, Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: > snip > >I did manage to hang onto my Koni and not sell any of it, but I am selling > >my Bronica system now on ebay. I'm going for the Canon 10D finally. > >My Koni and Holga will be the only remnants of my med. Format gear. I've > got > >lots of film in the fridge though. I might have to go take a bike trip to > >just burn film! I finally braved taking my camera with me on my last trip. > > > >I wanted to ride today since it's a national day. Ride your Bike to work > >day. It's raining here though...I guess the rain is no big deal, it's just > >that dang hurricane. Hee hee > > Barbara, > > Hope you're still enjoying the bike. My garage was broken into a > couple of weeks ago and although only a few tools went, the doors > were so badly damaged they had to be permanently shut with lengths of > 2x4 wood. Now waiting for the replacements so I can get the bike out > of the garage! > > How did you find taking the KO on the bike trip with you? > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Aug 16 17:16:48 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:16:48 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather References: Message-ID: <002901c36411$cba4c260$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> Hi Clive: What kind of IR film do you shoot in your Koni? My Rapid M fogs Kodak High Speed IR. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Warren" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 5:23 AM Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather > Dear All, > > It's been so quiet thought I would break the silence! > > Wonderful summer here in the UK - now that it is pleasant to get out > there with the KO, the cloudless skies and huge contrast ranges have > conspired to keep the KO at home and I have to admit going out with > an old Bessa II to grab some wider 6x9 shots of the local docks. > > With the temperatures so high my normal infrared trips with the KO > have ceased - cloudless skies and the problems in keeping my old > stock infrared film cool. > > Still we Brits love to complain about the weather - makes a change to > complain about the heat though... > > Talking of hot and cool - my fridge decided to recreate the ice age a > week or so ago and encased a lot of film in the cool compartment in > ice. It took about five hours to sort that one out and just wish I > had known about it earlier. Lost a little film and printing paper as > some of the ziploc bags were rather old and not completely airtight. > > Could be an idea to check your film stocks..... > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Aug 16 21:07:42 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:07:42 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather In-Reply-To: <002901c36411$cba4c260$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> References: <002901c36411$cba4c260$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> Message-ID: At 12:16 pm -0400 16/8/03, Geoff wrote: >Hi Clive: > > What kind of IR film do you shoot in your Koni? My Rapid M fogs Kodak >High Speed IR. > >Geoff Hello Geoff, I use Konica 750IR film. Maco also ake a good emulsion but nothing as fast as Kodak HIE. Are you using cut down rolls of 70mm film? If so, the fogging may have happened before you put the film in the camera! Check all of the light seals on the backs you are using, particularly around the dark slide, also the seal between the back and the body. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Aug 17 22:14:42 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:14:42 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather References: <002901c36411$cba4c260$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> Message-ID: <004601c36504$9410a820$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> Hi Clive: I use cut down 70 mm Kodak HSI from Dave Romano. It is not fogged by my Mamiya TLR and my K-O Rapid M does not fog any other film so .... Also, since it took a while to finish the roll and the shots in the middle were fogged, I am assuming that the middle part of the back in not 100% IR safe. I should try a roll in which I shoot the whole batch in one outing. When I have results I am sure of I will post them. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Warren" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Whatever the Weather > At 12:16 pm -0400 16/8/03, Geoff wrote: > >Hi Clive: > > > > What kind of IR film do you shoot in your Koni? My Rapid M fogs Kodak > >High Speed IR. > > > >Geoff > > Hello Geoff, > > I use Konica 750IR film. Maco also ake a good emulsion but nothing as > fast as Kodak HIE. Are you using cut down rolls of 70mm film? If so, > the fogging may have happened before you put the film in the camera! > > Check all of the light seals on the backs you are using, particularly > around the dark slide, also the seal between the back and the body. > > Cheers, Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Aug 20 03:40:26 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:40:26 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather In-Reply-To: <004601c36504$9410a820$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> References: <002901c36411$cba4c260$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> <004601c36504$9410a820$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> Message-ID: At 5:14 pm -0400 17/8/03, Geoff wrote: >Hi Clive: > > I use cut down 70 mm Kodak HSI from Dave Romano. It is not fogged by my >Mamiya TLR and my K-O Rapid M does not fog any other film so .... Also, >since it took a while to finish the roll and the shots in the middle were >fogged, I am assuming that the middle part of the back in not 100% IR safe. >I should try a roll in which I shoot the whole batch in one outing. > When I have results I am sure of I will post them. > >Geoff Geoff, You may have had the darkslide out longer for the shots in the middle of the film. Doesn't make a lot of sense to have a film holder that will only fog the middle frames of film. Clearly a light leak problem though - do you have any other backs you can try out? My bet is still on the light seal around the darkslide. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Sep 21 14:22:38 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:22:38 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather In-Reply-To: References: <002901c36411$cba4c260$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> <004601c36504$9410a820$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> Message-ID: At 3:40 am +0100 20/8/03, Clive Warren wrote: >At 5:14 pm -0400 17/8/03, Geoff wrote: >>Hi Clive: >> >> I use cut down 70 mm Kodak HSI from Dave Romano. It is not fogged by my >>Mamiya TLR and my K-O Rapid M does not fog any other film so .... Also, >>since it took a while to finish the roll and the shots in the middle were >>fogged, I am assuming that the middle part of the back in not 100% IR safe. >>I should try a roll in which I shoot the whole batch in one outing. >> When I have results I am sure of I will post them. >> >>Geoff > >Geoff, > >You may have had the darkslide out longer for the shots in the >middle of the film. Doesn't make a lot of sense to have a film >holder that will only fog the middle frames of film. > >Clearly a light leak problem though - do you have any other backs >you can try out? My bet is still on the light seal around the >darkslide. > >Cheers, > Clive Geoff, Did you manage to sort out the problem with the light leak? Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Sep 22 04:25:52 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:25:52 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather References: <002901c36411$cba4c260$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> <004601c36504$9410a820$9e445543@GeoffMcAuliffe> Message-ID: <007401c380b9$3a4c7460$9e445543@geoffmcauliffe> Hi Clive: Have not had much photo time this summer, too many household chores and too much bad weather on the weekends. I hope to try another roll of IR in the coming weeks. Since the worst fogging was on a frame that sat behind the lens for some time I suspect that if I keep the camera shrouded in IR proof material when not actually taking pictures I may be OK. I will let you know. Also, I want to try an ascorbic acid developer to keep the grain size down. Best, Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Warren" To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Whatever the Weather > At 3:40 am +0100 20/8/03, Clive Warren wrote: > >At 5:14 pm -0400 17/8/03, Geoff wrote: > >>Hi Clive: > >> > >> I use cut down 70 mm Kodak HSI from Dave Romano. It is not fogged by my > >>Mamiya TLR and my K-O Rapid M does not fog any other film so .... Also, > >>since it took a while to finish the roll and the shots in the middle were > >>fogged, I am assuming that the middle part of the back in not 100% IR safe. > >>I should try a roll in which I shoot the whole batch in one outing. > >> When I have results I am sure of I will post them. > >> > >>Geoff > > > >Geoff, > > > >You may have had the darkslide out longer for the shots in the > >middle of the film. Doesn't make a lot of sense to have a film > >holder that will only fog the middle frames of film. > > > >Clearly a light leak problem though - do you have any other backs > >you can try out? My bet is still on the light seal around the > >darkslide. > > > >Cheers, > > Clive > > Geoff, > > Did you manage to sort out the problem with the light leak? > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Sep 22 14:22:27 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:22:27 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E4ABAF7@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Y'all are talking this infared stuff for the Koni right? I can't find infared film in medium format very easily. Is it being discontinued? I'll have to look online. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Geoff [mailto:geoffm@optonline.net] Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:26 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] Whatever the Weather Hi Clive: Have not had much photo time this summer, too many household chores and too much bad weather on the weekends. I hope to try another roll of IR in the coming weeks. Since the worst fogging was on a frame that sat behind the lens for some time I suspect that if I keep the camera shrouded in IR proof material when not actually taking pictures I may be OK. I will let you know. Also, I want to try an ascorbic acid developer to keep the grain size down. Best, Geoff (snip) From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Sep 22 18:31:58 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:31:58 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather Message-ID: <2EFA2369.5CE4D39F.0D149C81@netscape.net> Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: >Y'all are talking this infared stuff for the Koni right? I can't find >infared film in medium format very easily. Is it being discontinued? I'll >have to look online. > >Barbara > >-----Original Message----- >From: Geoff [mailto:geoffm@optonline.net] >Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:26 PM >To: koml@koni-omega.org >Subject: Re: [KOML] Whatever the Weather > >try cachet for 120 infrared film http://www.onecachet.com/ it is slow but good. chip renner >_______________________________________________ >KOML mailing list >KOML@koni-omega.org >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Sep 22 21:08:14 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:08:14 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E4ABAFC@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Hey I looked it up online (Cachet/Macophot) and it looks pretty cool. Bought some film and a Tiffen #87 filter. The filter price was a bit of a shock, but it just looks so cool. Heck I worked this weekend (overtime) and so therefore deserve to spoil myself! Can't wait to try it out!! Thanks, Barbara -----Original Message----- From: PinholeRenner@netscape.net [mailto:PinholeRenner@netscape.net] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:32 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: RE: [KOML] Whatever the Weather Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: >Y'all are talking this infared stuff for the Koni right? I can't find >infared film in medium format very easily. Is it being discontinued? I'll >have to look online. > >Barbara > >-----Original Message----- >From: Geoff [mailto:geoffm@optonline.net] >Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:26 PM >To: koml@koni-omega.org >Subject: Re: [KOML] Whatever the Weather > >try cachet for 120 infrared film http://www.onecachet.com/ it is slow but good. chip renner (snip) From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Sep 23 04:33:32 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:33:32 -0400 Subject: [KOML] 120 size IR References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E4ABAF7@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: <005501c38183$7795a2e0$9e445543@geoffmcauliffe> Hi Barbara: David Romano takes Kokak 70 mm IR film and cuts it so it will fit on a 120 spool. Same emulsion as Kodak High Speed IR in 35 mm format. Go to DavidRomano.com for more information. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" To: Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: RE: [KOML] Whatever the Weather > Y'all are talking this infared stuff for the Koni right? I can't find > infared film in medium format very easily. Is it being discontinued? I'll > have to look online. > > Barbara > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff [mailto:geoffm@optonline.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:26 PM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: Re: [KOML] Whatever the Weather > > Hi Clive: > > From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Sep 24 01:34:47 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:34:47 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Whatever the Weather In-Reply-To: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E4ABAFC@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E4ABAFC@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: At 2:08 pm -0600 22/9/03, Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: >Hey I looked it up online (Cachet/Macophot) and it looks pretty cool. > >Bought some film and a Tiffen #87 filter. The filter price was a bit of a >shock, but it just looks so cool. Heck I worked this weekend (overtime) and >so therefore deserve to spoil myself! > >Can't wait to try it out!! > >Thanks, >Barbara Barbara, The Maco film comes in several different flavours now and all are worth a try. I have been using Konica 750IR for some years in a KO and it is my film of choice. I have some of the new Maco Aura film in the fridge but that is for 8x10 and I have yet to try it out. It is similar to the HSI Kodak film that used to be available in 4x5 but not as fast. The similarity is in the lack of an anti-halation backing. This allows IR light to reflect back off the film plate in the camera to provide the "halos" much loved by users of Kodak high Speed IR film. Hope you post some of your results on the KO Forum. Cheers, Clive. From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Oct 2 01:42:30 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Steve Everett) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:42:30 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Trouble focusing? Message-ID: <002001c3887e$12052610$6501a8c0@home> I only started taking pictures about 10 months ago. My first, and only camera, is a Koni-Omega 200. I've read through much of the archives about the quality of this camera and the razor sharp pictures that they are able to take. Is there a trick to getting a great focus with the range finder. My camera and all 4 lenses, over the last 6 months, have been rebuilt by Greg Weber so I don't think I have a mechanical problem. I, 90% of the time, use a tripod. In full sun I do better than late afternoon. In low light I really have to work at it and sometimes it's more of a guess. Any help would be appreciated. steve From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Oct 2 04:25:42 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Donald R Hensley, Jr.) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:25:42 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Trouble focusing? In-Reply-To: <002001c3887e$12052610$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: Are you having trouble seeing the range finding spot for your focusing in low light? If you use the spot in the viewfinder and line it up right it should be in focus, if not send it back to Weber I'm sure he guarantees his work. Also keep in mind that some of the lenses are not sharp below F8. The 90 really gets soft focused at F5.6 and lower. Donald R. Hensley, Jr. Photographer & Historian Visit Tap Lines at http://taplines.net Southeastern Short Line and Industrial Railroad History Specializing in Florida and Georgia -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Steve Everett Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:43 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Trouble focusing? I only started taking pictures about 10 months ago. My first, and only camera, is a Koni-Omega 200. I've read through much of the archives about the quality of this camera and the razor sharp pictures that they are able to take. Is there a trick to getting a great focus with the range finder. My camera and all 4 lenses, over the last 6 months, have been rebuilt by Greg Weber so I don't think I have a mechanical problem. I, 90% of the time, use a tripod. In full sun I do better than late afternoon. In low light I really have to work at it and sometimes it's more of a guess. Any help would be appreciated. steve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Oct 2 22:52:53 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Trouble focusing? In-Reply-To: <002001c3887e$12052610$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: <20031002215253.31497.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Steve, Assuming no mechanical issues, a few thoughts (please forgive any obvious ones): -Try looking through the viewfinder at various eye-to-camera angles. The small, bright rangefinder image in the center of the viewfinder will appear clearer & much higher contrast when viewed at a certain angle. -You might be helped by the use of a viewfinder eye-cup (cuts down on extraneous light leaking into the viewfinder). You'll need one made specially for the Koni; they mount in the left-most cold shoe. These show up on eBay & elsewhere sometimes, & maybe Greg Weber has one for sale. -Look for well-defined & unique features or borders to focus on. Sometimes you can be fooled by repeating patterns/features/contours. 1-of-a-kind vertical or horizontal elements (depending on the camera's orientation) can be helpful, like a post or a tree or an object edge. Of course these 'focusing targets' need to be in the same plane of focus as your subject. -Keep in mind that your depth of field will be less not only at larger apertures, but also with the longer lenses. Focus is critical with the 180mm lens at almost any aperture. At the other end of the spectrum, with the 58/60 you almost can't miss if you're stopped down to f11 or smaller. And closer subjects require more precision than distant ones. -If you're using a tripod 90% of the time, you could always stop down to f16 or f22 for max DoF, since long exposures are o.k. Of course this won't work if you're trying for selective focus or stop-motion. On a breezy, overcast day, the leaves will move, and there might not be enough light to allow a fast shutter to freeze them -- even at the largest apertures (where you're sacrificing DoF & resolution anyway!). Sometimes you just can't get everything sharp, esp. with slow/medium film. -Is your tripod heavy & sturdy enough for the Koni? If it was made for video or 35mm use, or for backpacking, it may not be up to the job, esp. in breezy conditions or when placed in water. Whatever tripod you're using, you can improve its stability by adding some weight. Try hanging a bookbag from the center post (let it dangle directly under the camera). Some tripods have hooks for this purpose. -Make sure your cable release has some slack (don't stretch it tight), and is operating smoothly. Otherwise you may inadvertently introduce some motion to the camera. -On a tripod, after advancing film, wait for 5 or 10 seconds for all the vibrations to dissipate, before tripping your shutter. I hope some of this helps. Keep us posted! -Paul --- Steve Everett wrote: > I only started taking pictures about 10 months ago. > My first, and only > camera, is a Koni-Omega 200. I've read through much > of the archives about > the quality of this camera and the razor sharp > pictures that they are able > to take. Is there a trick to getting a great focus > with the range finder. My > camera and all 4 lenses, over the last 6 months, > have been rebuilt by Greg > Weber so I don't think I have a mechanical problem. > I, 90% of the time, use > a tripod. In full sun I do better than late > afternoon. In low light I really > have to work at it and sometimes it's more of a > guess. Any help would be > appreciated. > steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Oct 3 01:17:18 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Steve Everett) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:17:18 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Trouble focusing? References: <20031002215253.31497.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c38943$b51d8250$6501a8c0@home> Thanks guys for the help! I do not think my focusing problem is a mechanical problem. I used a 10X loupe and checked some landscape shots and they appear to be in focus. I have checked at close range and the range finder matches the tape measure. Some times my pictures look in focus but many times they are not. I just realized, after Mr. Reese pointed it out, that the sharpest pictures I've taken are with my 58mm set at a F22. I think one of my problem is not being able to see clearly, the range finder image. At low light levels and when I tilt the camera, up or down at a sharp angles, I really am guessing. Something that Mr. Reese pointed out that I think will help is the eye cup. Another thing that might be causing me problems is movement. I use a cheap tripod left over from a camcorder. I use 50 and 100 speed film. I will try to stable up things and practice some more. I've been working a lot with ground glass and close up lens on my 180mm. I'm outside taking pictures of flowers. I'll bet wind is giving me a fuzzy picture. I've been very careful and use a 10X Peak loupe to focus but my picture are sometimes good and sometimes bad. Thanks for the help, steve From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Oct 3 01:46:03 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Trouble focusing? In-Reply-To: <001801c38943$b51d8250$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: <20031003004603.22224.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Outdoor, available-light flower close-ups with the 180 is one of the the tougher challenges you could cook up, sharpness-wise. You're right -- in addition to close-tolerance focusing, you've got to deal with movement of both camera AND subject. Also you're dealing with very limited DOF when working with the close-up kit. If you're using ground-glass focusing (and it's an original Koni ground glass assembly), then you should be able to focus adequately. And you should be able to preview DOF at the various apertures. For best visibility, throw a darkcloth over your head & the camera when using the ground glass. I like to use a thick black t-shirt, with the neck stretched around my face or neck, and the hem pulled up & forward & draped over the camera. RE flower movement, 2 suggestions: Wind protection and flash. Flash will freeze motion, and with your Koni leaf-shutter lenses, you can synch at all speeds. Of course it's a different look, and you may need to deal with modifiers & reflectors to get the illumination you want (on both subject & background). And it'll probably take a bit of trial & error to get your lighting angles & exposures right. Often, the best flash for macro is a "ring light" (fits around the front of the lens), because it puts the illumination in the right place, even when the subject is mere centimeters from the lens. With the 180, you may have enough working distance to use a standard flash gun. If you don't want to use flash, then you've got to shield your subject from the wind. Watch for shadows introduced by the wind-shield. Good luck! -Paul --- Steve Everett wrote: > Thanks guys for the help! > I do not think my focusing problem is a > mechanical problem. I used a 10X > loupe and checked some landscape shots and they > appear to be in focus. I > have checked at close range and the range finder > matches the tape measure. > Some times my pictures look in focus but many times > they are not. I just > realized, after Mr. Reese pointed it out, that the > sharpest pictures I've > taken are with my 58mm set at a F22. I think one of > my problem is not being > able to see clearly, the range finder image. At low > light levels and when I > tilt the camera, up or down at a sharp angles, I > really am guessing. > Something that Mr. Reese pointed out that I > think will help is the eye > cup. Another thing that might be causing me problems > is movement. I use a > cheap tripod left over from a camcorder. I use 50 > and 100 speed film. I will > try to stable up things and practice some more. I've > been working a lot with > ground glass and close up lens on my 180mm. I'm > outside taking pictures of > flowers. I'll bet wind is giving me a fuzzy picture. > I've been very careful > and use a 10X Peak loupe to focus but my picture are > sometimes good and > sometimes bad. > Thanks for the help, > steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Oct 3 05:32:15 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:32:15 EDT Subject: [KOML] focusing a koni Message-ID: Hi Steve...One little trick I learned in trying to focus, especially in low light. I carry a flashlight with me and if focusing is difficult, put the lighted flashlight in the scene and focus on the light. Works every time...Jack From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Oct 3 18:37:33 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] focusing a koni In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031003173733.60166.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> This is a great idea, where the scale of the scene permits. And for close-ups, you could use the flashlight to add some temporary (or not) illumination to the subject, to aid your focusing. -Paul --- JAlmon1054@aol.com wrote: > Hi Steve...One little trick I learned in trying to > focus, especially in low > light. I carry a flashlight with me and if focusing > is difficult, put the > lighted flashlight in the scene and focus on the > light. Works every time...Jack > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Oct 6 01:41:12 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Steve Everett) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:41:12 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Having trouble getting through! Message-ID: <001f01c38ba2$8b7a0b60$6501a8c0@home> I've been having some problems get through to the list. My last e-mail was returned with this note: "Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval" I've also had my mail returned from Mr. Reese, with a "Failed to deliver" note. I am resending my last email: Thanks again guys. I will definitely add a flashlight to my camera bag. I think that will solve one big problem. Great idea Jack! Paul, using a flash to stop movement sounds like a really good idea except for one problem; I would need to use a flash. As I said in my first post I am a beginner but I'm working hard at learning the art of photography. I'm doing OK until I try to use a flash. Then my pictures look like they were taken with a flash. It sounds easy, setting the flash on automatic, crank the camera to f5.6 and 1/60 of a second, and you got a great picture. NOT! My experience with a flash is I either get white faces or dark faces but not beautiful faces. I probably have 200 rolls of film in trying to learn to use my RO and I think it will take that many more to learn to use a flash. I don't have a ring flash but I would love to get one. My searching on the internet leads me to think they are mostly used with 35mm and controlled by the camera. The ones I've found use adapter rings of 55mm and down. Do they make ones that fit the 180 lens and have the controls built into the flash? I do not have the original Koni ground glass assembly but I've taken a piece of Lexan and gently buffed one side with 1500 grit wet and dry sandpaper and water. I tried glass beading and coarse sandpaper on Lexan but as soon as the glass became too frosted it became too grainy to focus well. It was a trade off. The more frosted I made the lexan the brighter and clearer the picture but it lost the detail which I needed to focus. The lighter the frost on the lexan the more difficult it is to see picture but every single piece of information is there to see. My frosted lexan is so light I need to hold it up to the light to see which side is frosted. It is 2 9/16 by 3 inches and I use electrician tape to hold it in the magazine. Even though I have a lot of failures once in a while I get a really good shot to prove to myself it will work. I focus on wide open aperture because there is not enough light to check at f16 or f22, where I actually take the picture. I can't check my D O F with my present set-up. The black t-shirt sounds like it would stop all the outside light that's washing out my ground glass (lexan). I will try that. I also made a piece of lexan that was cut down on the edges by .008. I used it for a while and couldn't tell any difference. I also talk to Greg Weber about the focusing plain being .008 closer than the film rails and he said it wouldn't make a difference. I must also say the my .008 cut down lexan had a coarse frost on it and that is why I quit using it. Also, after I quite using the cut down lexan, I bought a 10X Peak loupe that can be focused. It has made a world of difference in focusing on ground glass. I am having a lot of trouble with light on my close-ups. Much of my latest close-up work is at a distance of 3/4" . I found a 56mm JML lens elements from an Oscilloscope camera that screws right into my 90mm. I remove the front lens and it threads right in. I took a picture of my wife's wedding ring. It measures .215 across the ring. The image on the slide measures .270 across so I guess it is a little over a 1 to 1 ratio. Lighting on something that close is giving me problems. Thanks again you guys for you help, steve From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Oct 7 20:47:48 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Flash, ring lights, etc. In-Reply-To: <001f01c38ba2$8b7a0b60$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: <20031007194748.85003.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Automatic flash generally works pretty well for grabbing candids, assuming your system is working properly AND you stay within the distance parameters for the chosen flash setting. Of course, it may be fooled by abnormally light or dark faces, clothing, backgrounds, etc. However, for more creative control and more pleasing results, you're better off with manual output settings, guided by a flash meter. Also, if you're using flash as your main light (as opposed to fill-in), you'll probably want to get your flash off-camera. Yes, there's a lot to learn about flash, but the basics aren't too tough, and there are lots of good books on it (and even some on-line tutorials). Of course you could also work with 'hot' (constant output) lights, but that's easier indoors than out. And again, you'll need a light meter (in this case, one that measures 'ambient' (constant) light). Combination flash/ambient meters are common and increasingly affordable. Whether you want to try flash or hot lights for closeups, working distance is certainly an issue. 3/4" of clearance from the front of the lens isn't much. Makes it hard to avoid shadows cast by the camera lens and/or body. And if you light from the side, lens flare can become an issue. But do you really need to be that close for _flowers_? Or has your attention moved on to jewelry & bugs? I don't know whether anybody has found or adapted a ring light for the Koni 180 -- but this is the right group to ask! Also search the KOML archives. A ring light may give you too "flat" a look -- but if you're really working that close to your subject, it may be your best option for flash illumination. Your jury-rigged closeup lens might be o.k., but I'd be surprised if you aren't sacrificing image quality by deviating from the original lens design (even if the JML glass is great for its intended purpose). Again, do you really need 1:1 or greater for _flowers_? If you must use add-on close-up lenses, get the best ones you can afford that are designed for photography. With or without close-up lenses, try backing off to where you have enough working distance to use your lights. This will also give you greater DOF, which I'd think you'd want for flowers. Even if you don't fill the frame, you may be able to get (cropped) prints that look great at the size you want. And if you can get a light meter, do a little reading on studio lighting. Then, put some cut flowers in a vase and have some fun experimenting with (cheap) household light sources. Try clip-on or halogen work lights, directly on the subject or or diffused through bedsheets or tracing paper (but don't start a fire!). Use flashlights or desk lamps, and shape their beams with foil (the black foil you can get at pro photo shops is ideal). Use white cards, mirrors and cardboard for reflectors. As you probably know, if you're shooting daylight-balanced color film but lighting with tungsten, you'll need to filter your lights or lens to get 'corrected' (semi-accurate) colors on film. Or, you can use tungsten-balanced film. Enjoy, and keep us posted! -Paul --- Steve Everett wrote: > > Thanks again guys. > I will definitely add a flashlight to my camera > bag. I think that will > solve one big problem. Great idea Jack! > Paul, using a flash to stop movement sounds like > a really good idea > except for one problem; I would need to use a flash. > As I said in my first > post I am a beginner but I'm working hard at > learning the art of > photography. I'm doing OK until I try to use a > flash. Then my pictures look > like they were taken with a flash. It sounds easy, > setting the flash on > automatic, crank the camera to f5.6 and 1/60 of a > second, and you got a > great picture. NOT! My experience with a flash is I > either get white faces > or dark faces but not beautiful faces. I probably > have 200 rolls of film in > trying to learn to use my RO and I think it will > take that many more to > learn to use a flash. > I don't have a ring flash but I would love to > get one. My searching on > the internet leads me to think they are mostly used > with 35mm and controlled > by the camera. The ones I've found use adapter rings > of 55mm and down. Do > they make ones that fit the 180 lens and have the > controls built into the > flash? > I do not have the original Koni ground glass > assembly but I've taken a > piece of Lexan and gently buffed one side with 1500 > grit wet and dry > sandpaper and water. I tried glass beading and > coarse sandpaper on Lexan but > as soon as the glass became too frosted it became > too grainy to focus well. > It was a trade off. The more frosted I made the > lexan the brighter and > clearer the picture but it lost the detail which I > needed to focus. The > lighter the frost on the lexan the more difficult it > is to see picture but > every single piece of information is there to see. > My frosted lexan is so > light I need to hold it up to the light to see which > side is frosted. It is > 2 9/16 by 3 inches and I use electrician tape to > hold it in the magazine. > Even though I have a lot of failures once in a while > I get a really good > shot to prove to myself it will work. I focus on > wide open aperture because > there is not enough light to check at f16 or f22, > where I actually take the > picture. I can't check my D O F with my present > set-up. The black t-shirt > sounds like it would stop all the outside light > that's washing out my ground > glass (lexan). I will try that. I also made a piece > of lexan that was cut > down on the edges by .008. I used it for a while and > couldn't tell any > difference. I also talk to Greg Weber about the > focusing plain being .008 > closer than the film rails and he said it wouldn't > make a difference. I must > also say the my .008 cut down lexan had a coarse > frost on it and that is why > I quit using it. Also, after I quite using the cut > down lexan, I bought a > 10X Peak loupe that can be focused. It has made a > world of difference in > focusing on ground glass. > I am having a lot of trouble with light on my > close-ups. Much of my > latest close-up work is at a distance of 3/4" . I > found a 56mm JML lens > elements from an Oscilloscope camera that screws > right into my 90mm. I > remove the front lens and it threads right in. I > took a picture of my wife's > wedding ring. It measures .215 across the ring. The > image on the slide > measures .270 across so I guess it is a little over > a 1 to 1 ratio. Lighting > on something that close is giving me problems. > Thanks again you guys for you help, > steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Oct 21 21:37:06 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:37:06 -0600 Subject: [KOML] IR820C and other things.... Message-ID: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E4ABBAE@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Anybody shoot with this infrared film (macophot? - IR820C) using the Koni? Can somebody tell me how many twist of the take up spool it takes to get the start mark near the start position (any film in 120 back)? I just need a guesstimate. I have to load this stuff in a changing bag and don't want to shoot a regular roll to find out, but I will if I have to. Anybody try the HC110 film developer with Vitamin C powder? How 'bout opinions on XTOL? I've used D-76 and TMAX (I like TMAX 'cause of ease of use)...but I've never process infrared. I'm out of chemicals, so I must buy some fresh stuff and am considering HC110/Vit. C (I heard 'bout through a friend) or just trying XTOL (sounded good when reading about it). Thanks, Barbara From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Oct 21 23:49:49 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Stan McQueen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:49:49 -0600 Subject: [KOML] IR820C and other things.... In-Reply-To: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E4ABBAE@tpshouex1.toromontp rocess.com> References: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E4ABBAE@tpshouex1.toromontprocess.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031021164801.03210418@mail.xmission.com> At 02:37 PM 10/21/2003, you wrote: >Anybody shoot with this infrared film (macophot? - IR820C) using the Koni? > >Can somebody tell me how many twist of the take up spool it takes to get the >start mark near the start position (any film in 120 back)? I just need a >guesstimate. I have to load this stuff in a changing bag and don't want to >shoot a regular roll to find out, but I will if I have to. > >Anybody try the HC110 film developer with Vitamin C powder? How 'bout >opinions on XTOL? >I've used D-76 and TMAX (I like TMAX 'cause of ease of use)...but I've never >process infrared. I'm out of chemicals, so I must buy some fresh stuff and >am considering HC110/Vit. C (I heard 'bout through a friend) or just trying >XTOL (sounded good when reading about it). > >Thanks, >Barbara You don't have to load the Maco film in complete darkness. I have shot tons of it using a rollfilm back on my 4x5. Just load it in the shade the same way you would any other film. Stan ================================ Photography by Stan McQueen http://www.smcqueen.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Oct 22 01:04:19 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:04:19 -0400 Subject: [KOML] IR820C and other things.... Message-ID: <1828F0D1.2DB42C1E.0D149C81@netscape.net> the times that macophoto give for asa are off at least when last I checked.I think I was using an asa of 16 with the 72 filter.I guessed with the loading-placed it on the reel & spun it several times.I shot over & under the frames # just in case.I had film fogging with my 1st 2 rools & loaded it in the dark after that.good luck,

chip __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Oct 22 01:16:49 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:16:49 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: IR820C and other things.... In-Reply-To: <1828F0D1.2DB42C1E.0D149C81@netscape.net> Message-ID: PinholeRenner@netscape.net wrote: > the times that macophoto give for asa are off at least when last I checked.I > think I was using an asa of 16 with the 72 filter.I guessed with the > loading-placed it on the reel & spun it several times.I shot over & under the > frames # just in case.I had film fogging with my 1st 2 rools & loaded it in > the dark after that.good luck,

chip Chip - Good info. The fact that your working iso differs from the stated iso is not uncommon and doesn't mean they are wrong, just that the universe of variables that each of us face in our own individual situations makes it important to find our own working isos. Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Oct 22 01:22:12 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Stan McQueen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:22:12 -0600 Subject: [KOML] IR820C and other things.... In-Reply-To: <1828F0D1.2DB42C1E.0D149C81@netscape.net> References: <1828F0D1.2DB42C1E.0D149C81@netscape.net> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031021181741.03283ab8@mail.xmission.com> At 06:04 PM 10/21/2003, you wrote: >the times that macophoto give for asa are off at least when last I >checked.I think I was using an asa of 16 with the 72 filter.I guessed with >the loading-placed it on the reel & spun it several times.I shot over & >under the frames # just in case.I had film fogging with my 1st 2 rools & >loaded it in the dark after that. I use exposures of 0.5 and 1.0 seconds @ f/16 in bright sunlight with an 89B filter; adjusted as needed for overcast or cloudy. You can see my Maco tests at my website. I've never had any film fogging and I've never loaded in the dark. The paper backing on the 120 film should effectively block light, both visible and near-infrared, from reaching the film. But if it works for you, then that's what you should do. Stan ================================ Photography by Stan McQueen http://www.smcqueen.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Dec 3 16:18:26 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Brian Haagensen) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:18:26 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Rapid Omega Crime Scene Camera Outfit Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3B98F.2C483F20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C3B98F.2C5166E0" ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C3B98F.2C5166E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Recently, I acquired the Rapid Omega “Crime Scene Camera Outfit” from an eBay auction. This outfit was in excellent + condition and included: - Rapid Omega 100 camera - 90 mm lens - Close-up attachment (note – this attachment consisted of an extension tube (90 mm in length – not the standard 10 mm spacer made by Konica) and attached framed standoff attachment - 2 electronic flash units (one small one and a big – a Strobonar – by Rollieflex not Honeywell) - The standard Konica ground glass focusing attachment with Konica markings The outfit was in a nice hard case with cutout foam. The outfit was apparently made and marketed by “Sirchie Fingerprint Laboratories” of New Jersey. The original instruction /directions were included showing how to assemble the kit and how to take close up pictures. According to the documentation, the kit is capable of taking 1:1 ratio pictures. The extension tube is 90 mm in length and the standoff frame extends ~150 mm from the 90 mm lens. The lens (when attached to the extension tube) is fired by a shutter cable that is screwed into the extension attachment, not by the shutter trigger on the camera. Sirchie apparently also marketed a “Master Crime Scene – Latent Print Photo Kit”; which was similar to the one I have, except that it included supplies for actually taking fingerprints and the “auto-adapt ratio attachment” (i.e. extension tube and framer) appears to be a closed in device with a pistol grip instead of an open frame and spacer. The extension tube and standoff frame do not have any manufacturer labels or markings. An independent shop as an add-on probably made them to the Rapid Omega system. They do not have the same quality fit and finish as Konica parts – but they are still in very good shape. Does anyone know anything about these kits? I would be interested to find out any history behind the kits. Are they relatively common or are they scarce. Brian ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C3B98F.2C5166E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Recently, I = acquired the Rapid Omega “Crime Scene Camera Outfit” from an eBay = auction.  This outfit was in excellent + condition and included:

 

- Rapid Omega 100 = camera

- 90 mm lens =

- Close-up = attachment (note – this attachment consisted of an extension tube (90 mm in length – = not the standard 10 mm spacer made by Konica) and attached framed standoff = attachment

- 2 electronic flash units (one small one and = a big – a Strobonar – by Rollieflex not = Honeywell)

- The standard Konica ground glass focusing = attachment with Konica markings

 

The outfit was in a nice hard case with = cutout foam. 

 

The outfit was apparently made and marketed = by “Sirchie Fingerprint Laboratories” of New Jersey.  The original instruction /directions were included showing how to assemble the kit and how to take close up pictures.  According to the documentation, the kit is capable of = taking 1:1 ratio pictures.  The = extension tube is 90 mm in length and the standoff frame extends ~150 mm from the = 90 mm lens.  The lens (when = attached to the extension tube) is fired by a shutter cable that is screwed into the extension attachment, not by the shutter trigger on the camera.   

 

Sirchie apparently also marketed a = “Master Crime Scene – Latent Print Photo Kit”; which was similar to the one I = have, except that it included supplies for actually taking fingerprints and the “auto-adapt = ratio attachment” (i.e. extension tube and framer) appears to be a closed in device with a = pistol grip instead of an open frame and spacer. 

 

The extension tube and standoff frame do not = have any manufacturer labels or markings.  = An independent shop as an add-on probably made them to the Rapid Omega system.  They do not have = the same quality fit and finish as Konica parts – but they are still in very good = shape. 

 

Does anyone know anything about these = kits?  I would be interested to find = out any history behind the kits.  = Are they relatively common or are they scarce.  

 

Brian

 

------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C3B98F.2C5166E0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3B98F.2C483F20 Content-Type: image/gif; name="image001.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: R0lGODlhQAYFAPQLAKfT/6/X/7fb/7/f/8fj/8/n/9fr/97u/+f0/+73//f8//////H3/+Lv/97w /9Dn/8Df/7DX/5/P/wECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAyH/C01T T0ZGSUNFOS4wDQAAAAFzUkdCAK7OHOkAIf8LTVNPRkZJQ0U5LjAYAAAADG1zT1BNU09GRklDRTku MBObKZRkACH/C01TT0ZGSUNFOS4wGAAAAAxjbVBQSkNtcDA3MTICAAAJAtxSKQAsAAAAAEAGBQAA Bf+gJI6kBJhAqqYBELwwHAmBYN/2IAx8z0OEAWFIJBSMhWThYWg2D9BDA4FIKK6LrHbL7Xq/4LB4 TC6bz+i0es1uu9/wuHxOr9vv+Lx+z+/7/4CBgoOEhYaHiImKi4yNciWQJiIrlCwuMS80NTM4Nz4+ QQRARUdKSgZMTgcOVFUJVgqOsrO0tba3uLm6u7y9vr/AwcLDxMXGwJGQJ8uVL5cxEZk1nTk7Oz0Q PUWkSEkGBaoGUVSvsMfn6Onq6+zt7u/w8fLz9PX2vMkkJyiULSwt0GoIpKbjmo9sQ4Rw67bEmxNx UlwlYMAAy72LGDNq3Mixo8ePIEOKHOkx36RJzPoquXj2YsYmap50HAyicJuRbqkeRjlA7ooCBiSD Ch1KtKjRo0iTKl3KlE4IADs= ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3B98F.2C483F20-- From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Dec 6 00:38:15 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:38:15 -0500 Subject: [KOML] KAS strikes again... Message-ID: That's Koni acquisition syndrome...this time it took the form of a nice Omegaflex with the 90 and a 135 lens in its case, the hood finder, the eyelevel finder, the reflex finder, and a spare back/magazine. Tuned up in the summer by Greg Weber. Boy is it weird...but I think I'm going to like it a lot... -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html "Those are my principles, If you don't like them I have others" - Groucho Marx From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Dec 6 17:05:31 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 12:05:31 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: KAS strikes again... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Craig Zeni wrote: > That's Koni acquisition syndrome...this time it took the form of a > nice Omegaflex with the 90 and a 135 lens in its case, the hood > finder, the eyelevel finder, the reflex finder, and a spare > back/magazine. Tuned up in the summer by Greg Weber. > > Boy is it weird...but I think I'm going to like it a lot... I love mine. A weird and wonderful and beautiful system. Get the 58 as soon as you can... it is an A M A Z I N G lens... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Dec 7 02:11:22 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (M Melton) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:11:22 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: KAS strikes again... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yea, I know the feeling. Bought two new in the box 120 back/magazines the Friday after Thanksgivings. Guess my Christmas came early. Ho Ho Ho Merry Christmas! -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Eric Goldstein Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:06 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Re: KAS strikes again... Craig Zeni wrote: > That's Koni acquisition syndrome...this time it took the form of a > nice Omegaflex with the 90 and a 135 lens in its case, the hood > finder, the eyelevel finder, the reflex finder, and a spare > back/magazine. Tuned up in the summer by Greg Weber. > > Boy is it weird...but I think I'm going to like it a lot... I love mine. A weird and wonderful and beautiful system. Get the 58 as soon as you can... it is an A M A Z I N G lens... Eric Goldstein _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 02:01:29 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Brian Haagensen) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:01:29 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex Service Manual? Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3C5AA.1BAADAC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C3C5AA.1BAADAC0" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C3C5AA.1BAADAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am in the process of trying to rebuild an Omegaflex M “TLR” (of course it is not really a TLR but that is another story). I cannot find a service (repair) manual to support this project. I have poked around the various “manualsdujour.com”s that you get through a Google search and nobody lists the service manual for this camera. I can only find the operating manual for this camera. Does anyone have a copy of the service manual that I could purchase? If not – I will just have to dive in and hope for the best. Brian ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C3C5AA.1BAADAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am in the = process of trying to rebuild an Omegaflex M “TLR” (of course it is not = really a TLR but that is another story).  I = cannot find a service (repair) manual to support this project.  I have poked around the = various “manualsdujour.com”s that you get through a Google search = and nobody lists the service manual for this camera.  = I can only find the operating manual for this camera. 

 

Does anyone have = a copy of the service manual that I could purchase? 

 

If not – I = will just have to dive in and hope for the best.

 

Brian=

 

------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C3C5AA.1BAADAC0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3C5AA.1BAADAC0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="image001.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: R0lGODlhQAYFAPQLAKfT/6/X/7fb/7/f/8fj/8/n/9fr/97u/+f0/+73//f8//////H3/+Lv/97w /9Dn/8Df/7DX/5/P/wECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAyH/C01T T0ZGSUNFOS4wDQAAAAFzUkdCAK7OHOkAIf8LTVNPRkZJQ0U5LjAYAAAADG1zT1BNU09GRklDRTku MBObKZRkACH/C01TT0ZGSUNFOS4wGAAAAAxjbVBQSkNtcDA3MTICAAAJAtxSKQAsAAAAAEAGBQAA Bf+gJI6kBJhAqqYBELwwHAmBYN/2IAx8z0OEAWFIJBSMhWThYWg2D9BDA4FIKK6LrHbL7Xq/4LB4 TC6bz+i0es1uu9/wuHxOr9vv+Lx+z+/7/4CBgoOEhYaHiImKi4yNciWQJiIrlCwuMS80NTM4Nz4+ QQRARUdKSgZMTgcOVFUJVgqOsrO0tba3uLm6u7y9vr/AwcLDxMXGwJGQJ8uVL5cxEZk1nTk7Oz0Q PUWkSEkGBaoGUVSvsMfn6Onq6+zt7u/w8fLz9PX2vMkkJyiULSwt0GoIpKbjmo9sQ4Rw67bEmxNx UlwlYMAAy72LGDNq3Mixo8ePIEOKHOkx36RJzPoquXj2YsYmap50HAyicJuRbqkeRjlA7ooCBiSD Ch1KtKjRo0iTKl3KlE4IADs= ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3C5AA.1BAADAC0-- From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 02:46:46 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:46:46 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex Service Manual? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brian Haagensen wrote: >=20 > I am in the process of trying to rebuild an Omegaflex M =93TLR=94 (of course = it > is not really a TLR but that is another story). I cannot find a service > (repair) manual to support this project. I have poked around the various > =93manualsdujour.com=94s that you get through a Google search and nobody list= s > the service manual for this camera. I can only find the operating manual > for this camera. >=20 > Does anyone have a copy of the service manual that I could purchase? >=20 > If not =96 I will just have to dive in and hope for the best. >=20 > Brian Brian - 1) Sorry, I don't have the manual. Would be interested in a copy myself... If all else fails, you could check with Greg Weber... 2) It is a TLR if you use the reflex finder that is part of the system (I have a spare one if you need)... 3) Could you please not send attachments or post in HTML!?!?! TIA, Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 12:17:53 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Steve Everett) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:17:53 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni lens Questioned? Message-ID: <003401c3c62a$20fdb5d0$6501a8c0@home> I was complained to a local camera buff about the detail and sharpness of a picture I had enlarged of my daughter. I was comparing it to an 8X10 school picture I had. I was bringing into question the local camera shop's, digital printing service, as not being as accurate as maybe the older enlarging process. His answer was that although my lighting was not as good, which will effect the picture, my Koni 200 with the 135mm lens will not get as good of picture as modern cameras will. He said that with the advances in glass and lens design, we have had in the last 30 years, an old camera like the Koni will not compare. Is this true? Am I wasting my time with old technology? Instead of collecting and rebuilding my complete Koni system I should have bought a modern camera? Thank you, steve From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 13:11:11 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:11:11 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni lens Questioned? In-Reply-To: <003401c3c62a$20fdb5d0$6501a8c0@home> References: <003401c3c62a$20fdb5d0$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: > I was complained to a local camera buff about the detail and sharpness >of a picture I had enlarged of my daughter. I was comparing it to an 8X10 >school picture I had. I was bringing into question the local camera shop's, >digital printing service, as not being as accurate as maybe the older >enlarging process. > His answer was that although my lighting was not as good, which will >effect the picture, my Koni 200 with the 135mm lens will not get as good of >picture as modern cameras will. He said that with the advances in glass and >lens design, we have had in the last 30 years, an old camera like the Koni >will not compare. > Is this true? Am I wasting my time with old technology? Instead of >collecting and rebuilding my complete Koni system I should have bought a >modern camera? >Thank you, >steve Steve, The 135mm lens rivals just about any other lens on the market - both its contemporaries and any modern lens. It is simply one of the sharpest lenses available for medium format cameras. If there is any problem with sharpness and detail then I would suspect the enlarging process if the neg. is well exposed and sharp. I use lenses designed in 1895 and produced in the early part of the C20th for large format work that cannot be beaten by modern glass - Zeiss Protars. Yes, they have excellent colour correction also. Someone tried to improve on the design using a specialist lens design package (think horrific amounts of number crunching using ray tracing) and found the original design could not be improved! All the best for the holiday season. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 13:43:40 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:43:40 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni lens Questioned? In-Reply-To: <003401c3c62a$20fdb5d0$6501a8c0@home> References: <003401c3c62a$20fdb5d0$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: > I was complained to a local camera buff about the detail and sharpness >of a picture I had enlarged of my daughter. I was comparing it to an 8X10 >school picture I had. I was bringing into question the local camera shop's, >digital printing service, as not being as accurate as maybe the older >enlarging process. > His answer was that although my lighting was not as good, which will >effect the picture, my Koni 200 with the 135mm lens will not get as good of >picture as modern cameras will. He said that with the advances in glass and >lens design, we have had in the last 30 years, an old camera like the Koni >will not compare. > Is this true? Am I wasting my time with old technology? Instead of >collecting and rebuilding my complete Koni system I should have bought a >modern camera? Heh. Sounds like sour grapes from somebody who's dumped money into new stuff and can't bear the idea that an older camera might possibly be superior. -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -Terry Pratchett. From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 13:53:09 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Archer Enterprises) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:53:09 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni lens Questioned? References: <003401c3c62a$20fdb5d0$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: <00a801c3c637$70719a20$6e4b4bab@user> Steve, Your "camera buff" is obviously speaking from an uninformed point of view....a properly-functioning K-O & 135mm lens will take the Pepsi Challenge against just about anything ever made, past or present. If you`ve never done so, I would suggest shooting a test roll of good slide film with the camera on a tripod, to make sure the lens and body/rangefinder are in proper register. Happy Holidays to all! Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Everett" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni lens Questioned? > I was complained to a local camera buff about the detail and sharpness > of a picture I had enlarged of my daughter. I was comparing it to an 8X10 > school picture I had. I was bringing into question the local camera shop's, > digital printing service, as not being as accurate as maybe the older > enlarging process. > His answer was that although my lighting was not as good, which will > effect the picture, my Koni 200 with the 135mm lens will not get as good of > picture as modern cameras will. He said that with the advances in glass and > lens design, we have had in the last 30 years, an old camera like the Koni > will not compare. > Is this true? Am I wasting my time with old technology? Instead of > collecting and rebuilding my complete Koni system I should have bought a > modern camera? > Thank you, > steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 14:14:45 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Bill Barton) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:14:45 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni lens Questioned? References: <003401c3c62a$20fdb5d0$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: <3FE307D5.7070401@bellatlantic.net> Steve, That sure sounds like fighting words to me. However one must look at this with a open mind. There are times my Fuji 645 with the newer coatings on the lens will do better then my RO but you must go far for that to happen. I think you should try another lab, also I have seen a number of film scans that are not that good and it is not a problem with the film, get the hint. bill From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 14:16:47 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Brian Haagensen) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:16:47 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni lens Questioned? In-Reply-To: <003401c3c62a$20fdb5d0$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: The folks at Photodo have comparatively tested a wide variety of lenses including Koni Omega lenses (both Hexanon and Omegon). This is a group of people who are somehow associated with the optical labs at Hasselblad. They test actual lenses; they do not simply accept the manufacturers claims for design performance. First, it is important to recognize that optical resolution (lines per millimeter) is only one measure of optical performance. The newer testing processes which us MTF numbers presents a better (albeit more complicated to interpret) picture of actual performance as sensed by viewers. In fact, the folks at Photodo have recently shifted from testing lenses using resolution (lines/mm) numbers to MTF testing. But I managed to print out the older Photodo test results when I was deciding whether or not to buy a Koni Omega system. Using the resolution performance metric, the Koni lenses were equal to or better than almost every other MF lens tested, including the latest versions. Here are the actual test results for the Hexanon serial 513xxxx 135-mm f/3.5 lens from Photodo: F stop Center Middle Edge (lines/mm) F/3.5 54 54 42 pretty typical for good lenses at wide-open apertures F/4 54 48 48 F/5.6 33 33 60 (this seems to be an anomalous result???) F/8 76 76 76 (this performance is equivalent to the better lenses) F/11 76 76 67 F/16 67 67 67 (limited by diffraction) These tests show that at f/5.6, there appears to be a "soft spot" in lens performance when compared to other high performance lenses. This is only true at f5.6/ and is not typical of any other Koni lenses. It may well be a manufacturer anomaly with this tested lens. The performance numbers at f/8 and above are very competitive with the best lenses. Performance at 70 l/mm should not show any significant softening or degradation when enlarged to 8x10 size. It is not unusual for singularities in lens performance to occur in individual lenses at specific apertures due to manufacturing quality controls. This may not be representative of all Koni 135mm lenses that have one of the best reputations for optical performance in the Koni line. Incidentally, all 7 Koni lenses tested (3- 58mm, 2-90mm, 1-135mm and 1-180mm) showed their best performance at f/11 except the 135mm, which had slightly better edge performance at f8. None of the other tested lenses showed an unexpected deterioration of performance at a single point (like at f/5.6). The typical performance curve for most single focal length lenses shows improving performance from f/ wide open to around f/8 - f/11 then degrading performance (due to diffraction) starting at f/16. I have all the numbers if anyone wants to see them. The 90mm lens has the best resolution numbers - followed very closely by the 58 mm lens - followed by the 135 and finally by the 180. At f/11, here are the comparative resolution numbers for the 4 Koni lenses. I have averaged the numbers for the 3 - 58 mm lenses and 2 - 90 mm lenses. Lens Center Middle Edge 58 70 76 58 90 76 85 43 135 76 76 67 Note that at f/11, the 135 lens actually has the BEST overall performance of all 4 Koni lenses. 180 67 67 48 These tests showed that the Hexanon and Wide Omegon lenses performed very well compared to the most recent optical lenses. They were not as good but they were pretty close to the superstars of today. Probably the greatest difference is that their performance at wide-open apertures was not as good and their edge performance numbers were down a bit from the latest and greatest lenses of today. I was amazed by their performance. Although I noted that the people at Photodo had removed the Koni Omega test results from their web page on my latest viewing, I did print out and save the results of the Hexanon and Omegon lens tests from a few years ago. Of course your actual lens may be different. Coatings may have been removed, scratches and interior dust may have degraded the original performance. There are of course MANY variables that have to be addressed and controlled before one can identify the source of the problem. I would expect that for 8x10-sized prints you would not notice much (if any) difference in performance unless you were "operating at the optical margins" (such as shooting into the sun etc). Lens flare is probably not as good for Koni-Omega lenses because the rare earth coatings and ED glass of today's superstar lenses were not available or not used back then. But for 8x10-sized enlargements, I would guess that the source of the problem lies in other areas. You may have done this already but check the accuracy of the rangefinder focus against a good ground glass in the film plane (.2 mm inside the film rails). There are lost of postings on this web site that discuss how to do this. If the rangefinder is slightly out of focus, you could get these symptoms. Of course you should not expect the local camera store "buff" to self-criticize his or her work processes. The simple answer is to try another printing service and see if the results are substantially the same from the same negatives. Get one that has a good reputation for high qualify and see if the prints off the same negatives look like the ones from the local camera store. That should quickly tell you whether it is the printing process or not. But It will NOT tell you if the lens is of poor quality. Brian -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Steve Everett Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:18 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni lens Questioned? I was complained to a local camera buff about the detail and sharpness of a picture I had enlarged of my daughter. I was comparing it to an 8X10 school picture I had. I was bringing into question the local camera shop's, digital printing service, as not being as accurate as maybe the older enlarging process. His answer was that although my lighting was not as good, which will effect the picture, my Koni 200 with the 135mm lens will not get as good of picture as modern cameras will. He said that with the advances in glass and lens design, we have had in the last 30 years, an old camera like the Koni will not compare. Is this true? Am I wasting my time with old technology? Instead of collecting and rebuilding my complete Koni system I should have bought a modern camera? Thank you, steve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 14:34:21 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:34:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [KOML] Re: Quality of Koni lens Questioned? Message-ID: <14510219.1071844461113.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> You've gotten some excellent responses to this question... What I would add to the groups consensus (that these are generally excellent lenses even by modern standards but like all lenses, there is individual variation) is that the technique of the individual shooter/shot can have an enormous effect of enlargability. Did you use a tripod? High shutter speed? Strobes? Eric Goldstein -----Original Message----- From: Steve Everett Sent: Dec 19, 2003 7:17 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni lens Questioned? I was complained to a local camera buff about the detail and sharpness of a picture I had enlarged of my daughter. I was comparing it to an 8X10 school picture I had. I was bringing into question the local camera shop's, digital printing service, as not being as accurate as maybe the older enlarging process. His answer was that although my lighting was not as good, which will effect the picture, my Koni 200 with the 135mm lens will not get as good of picture as modern cameras will. He said that with the advances in glass and lens design, we have had in the last 30 years, an old camera like the Koni will not compare. Is this true? Am I wasting my time with old technology? Instead of collecting and rebuilding my complete Koni system I should have bought a modern camera? Thank you, steve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 18:15:58 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Steve Everett) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:15:58 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni Lens Questioned? Message-ID: <003f01c3c65c$26b45830$6501a8c0@home> Thanks for all the answers to my questions. It's really good to hear I'm not wasting my time and money on the Koni. To answer some of the questions on my setup I will explain how I took the picture and the condition of my equipment. I use the 200 body. Greg Weber put in new seals and set the RF less than 2 months ago. Mr. Weber has also rebuilt my 90, 135, and 180 within the last year. I always use a tripod and most of my shots are done with a ground glass. My ground glass in not the original Koni glass but one made by myself from a piece of Lexan. I'm a machinist by trade so the .008 offset around the edges of the Lexan was not a problem. I've experimented with many of these Lexan GG and found that to get the sharpest, detailed, image I could I needed only a light rub with a 1500 wet and dry sandpaper. The draw back to this is the image is very dark. To over come this I used a 3X eye piece mounted in a Lexan box with the bottom piece being the ground glass. I painted the outside of the box black and focused the eye piece on the bottom of the ground glass. I installed little pins on the sides of the gg so that I can mount the whole thing to the film magazine by using the metal hold downs in the magazine. With this setup I can see the image perfectly. Greg Weber told me that I didn't need the offset in the ground glass and a flat piece would work just as well. I'm thinking of building another one with a flat glass just to try. As you can see I'm sure of my focusing; that is, I'm sure of my focusing at the time I focus. Ten seconds is a long time to takes switching from ground glass to film for a 4 year old and I don't have a lot of DOF. There could be some movement. All the other variables could be giving me trouble. I don't have much light and with a flash I'm using F5.6 at 1/60sec. I've also tried Tungsten film with a lot of lights around but I'm still at F5.6 at 1/15sec. When I look at my slides through a 10X loop I can see each hair on my wife's head. Prints of my daughter's picture show her hair but not nearly as detailed as the slides. So here are my questions: Should I find another lab? Do you have a recommendation? Is there a difference between digitally scanned and printed, and old fashion printing. Will 50 speed slide film show that much more detail that 400 speed print film? Could poor lighting cause not only poor colors and dark prints but also detail and clarity to suffer? To get a really good picture do I need a pro strobe unit and umbrella? How important is the light meter? I have an old Gossen light meter that I use with a gray card. Do you think a new Sekonic L-358 will help me get better pictures? Thanks for the help! steve From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 21:26:02 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:26:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [KOML] Re: Quality of Koni Lens Questioned? Message-ID: <30165770.1071869162700.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I wonder if your Lexan GG may be giving you problems/inaccuracies. The factory attachment is in fact located INSIDE the film rails to account for film curvature... As for strobes, they are neither necessary or desireable, but they would guarantee that there was no motion blur which might account for lack of sharpness... I do portraiture by window light with reflectors... Eric Goldstein -----Original Message----- From: Steve Everett Sent: Dec 19, 2003 1:15 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni Lens Questioned? Thanks for all the answers to my questions. It's really good to hear I'm not wasting my time and money on the Koni. To answer some of the questions on my setup I will explain how I took the picture and the condition of my equipment. I use the 200 body. Greg Weber put in new seals and set the RF less than 2 months ago. Mr. Weber has also rebuilt my 90, 135, and 180 within the last year. I always use a tripod and most of my shots are done with a ground glass. My ground glass in not the original Koni glass but one made by myself from a piece of Lexan. I'm a machinist by trade so the .008 offset around the edges of the Lexan was not a problem. I've experimented with many of these Lexan GG and found that to get the sharpest, detailed, image I could I needed only a light rub with a 1500 wet and dry sandpaper. The draw back to this is the image is very dark. To over come this I used a 3X eye piece mounted in a Lexan box with the bottom piece being the ground glass. I painted the outside of the box black and focused the eye piece on the bottom of the ground glass. I installed little pins on the sides of the gg so that I can mount the whole thing to the film magazine by using the metal hold downs in the magazine. With this setup I can see the image perfectly. Greg Weber told me that I didn't need the offset in the ground glass and a flat piece would work just as well. I'm thinking of building another one with a flat glass just to try. As you can see I'm sure of my focusing; that is, I'm sure of my focusing at the time I focus. Ten seconds is a long time to takes switching from ground glass to film for a 4 year old and I don't have a lot of DOF. There could be some movement. All the other variables could be giving me trouble. I don't have much light and with a flash I'm using F5.6 at 1/60sec. I've also tried Tungsten film with a lot of lights around but I'm still at F5.6 at 1/15sec. When I look at my slides through a 10X loop I can see each hair on my wife's head. Prints of my daughter's picture show her hair but not nearly as detailed as the slides. So here are my questions: Should I find another lab? Do you have a recommendation? Is there a difference between digitally scanned and printed, and old fashion printing. Will 50 speed slide film show that much more detail that 400 speed print film? Could poor lighting cause not only poor colors and dark prints but also detail and clarity to suffer? To get a really good picture do I need a pro strobe unit and umbrella? How important is the light meter? I have an old Gossen light meter that I use with a gray card. Do you think a new Sekonic L-358 will help me get better pictures? Thanks for the help! steve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 22:05:17 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Brian Haagensen) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:05:17 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni Lens Questioned? In-Reply-To: <003f01c3c65c$26b45830$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: Sounds like you have covered all the bases with your camera. If Greg Weber rebuilt and realigned your system, it should be capable of performing well. If the negatives seem sharp but the prints are disappointing, my guess is that the problem is with the lab. There should be no significant difference in sharpness between a digitally scanned image and a photo printed from an analogue enlarger. Both systems are capable of reproducing the image very well, assuming they are quality systems. And both are capable of producing a less than optimum image if used poorly. It is not a matter of capability but rather a matter of careful craftsmanship (like many things in life). Some additional thoughts... 50 ISO slide film has less grain than 400 ISO slide film. BUT - if you offset the speed difference by using slower shutter speeds, it may be a matter of subject movement that causes the blurring. I would keep the shutter speed above 1/60 if you can for portraits, even if you are using a stable tripod. The concern is with the movement of the subject. I would also try to set the aperture to f/8-11 (unless you are trying to really blur the background), which is not a problem if you have lots of light. But if you are using tungsten or available light from outside, you might have some difficulty getting to 1/60 and f/8. I would not try to use 1/15th because people just can't hold still for that long. According to the Photodo lens report, the 135mm may have a soft spot at f/5.6. I have no idea if this is a lens characteristic that affects all lenses, a testing problem or a individual problem with the lens that was tested. But in any case, it would seem wise to either conduct your own lens sharpness tests or to stay away from f/5.6 if you have the choice. The sharpest test aperture for the 135mm test lens was f/8 -so you are only talking about one stop difference. Can't hurt to be careful. It might be preferable to use a faster film speed even though you incur a penalty in grain size in order to get your shutter speed up to 1/60. This applies to portraits especially. But use the slowest film speed that you can and still have that 1/60 shutter speed. Poor or inadequate lighting will cause exposure problems but not resolution problems. Of course if everything is dark, resolution doesn't matter. You still can't see it. If your exposure is satisfactory (slides not too dark or too light) then the resolution (lines per mm) should not be affected - but the perceived sharpness might be a problem. You need good contrast to get sharpness. In my opinion, you don't necessarily need professional strobes to get good lighting. You can use consumer strobes and get reasonable results. They won't put out as much light - or recycle as fast - or perhaps have as many variable control settings, but they will light the subject. If you decide to go to a flash system for your portraits, I would recommend getting a flash meter. I do not have a Gossen but their reputation is good. They should be capable of giving you excellent results using your grey card in ambient light. If you try using flash, then a flash meter will tell you how much light is reaching the subject. You will have one less variable to worry about - although theoretically, you can do just as well using guide numbers and division. I use a Sekonic L-508 and get good results for both flash and ambient. I am sure there are other meters that do well. The key to all this stuff is to learn by trying. Don't be afraid to run through some film - but keep notes of your exposure setting and correlate the exposures setting to the outcomes. Slides are always best for judging outcomes because they do not have the additional variable of the exposure settings on the printer system. If you can properly expose slides, you will have no trouble with print film. Good luck -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Steve Everett Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:16 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni Lens Questioned? Thanks for all the answers to my questions. It's really good to hear I'm not wasting my time and money on the Koni. To answer some of the questions on my setup I will explain how I took the picture and the condition of my equipment. I use the 200 body. Greg Weber put in new seals and set the RF less than 2 months ago. Mr. Weber has also rebuilt my 90, 135, and 180 within the last year. I always use a tripod and most of my shots are done with a ground glass. My ground glass in not the original Koni glass but one made by myself from a piece of Lexan. I'm a machinist by trade so the .008 offset around the edges of the Lexan was not a problem. I've experimented with many of these Lexan GG and found that to get the sharpest, detailed, image I could I needed only a light rub with a 1500 wet and dry sandpaper. The draw back to this is the image is very dark. To over come this I used a 3X eye piece mounted in a Lexan box with the bottom piece being the ground glass. I painted the outside of the box black and focused the eye piece on the bottom of the ground glass. I installed little pins on the sides of the gg so that I can mount the whole thing to the film magazine by using the metal hold downs in the magazine. With this setup I can see the image perfectly. Greg Weber told me that I didn't need the offset in the ground glass and a flat piece would work just as well. I'm thinking of building another one with a flat glass just to try. As you can see I'm sure of my focusing; that is, I'm sure of my focusing at the time I focus. Ten seconds is a long time to takes switching from ground glass to film for a 4 year old and I don't have a lot of DOF. There could be some movement. All the other variables could be giving me trouble. I don't have much light and with a flash I'm using F5.6 at 1/60sec. I've also tried Tungsten film with a lot of lights around but I'm still at F5.6 at 1/15sec. When I look at my slides through a 10X loop I can see each hair on my wife's head. Prints of my daughter's picture show her hair but not nearly as detailed as the slides. So here are my questions: Should I find another lab? Do you have a recommendation? Is there a difference between digitally scanned and printed, and old fashion printing. Will 50 speed slide film show that much more detail that 400 speed print film? Could poor lighting cause not only poor colors and dark prints but also detail and clarity to suffer? To get a really good picture do I need a pro strobe unit and umbrella? How important is the light meter? I have an old Gossen light meter that I use with a gray card. Do you think a new Sekonic L-358 will help me get better pictures? Thanks for the help! steve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 22:47:35 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Steve Everett) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:47:35 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Quality of Koni Lens Questioned? References: <30165770.1071869162700.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01c3c682$18eba390$6501a8c0@home> Eric, > I wonder if your Lexan GG may be giving you problems/inaccuracies. The factory attachment is in fact located INSIDE the film rails to account for film curvature... It is possible the Lexan is causing problems but I don't think so. My way of thinking is all I need is a surface to make an image and a back that is clear enough that I can see the image. I heard of people using cellophane tape, which I've tried, and it works. The Lexan is very clear and I placed the imaging surface inside the film rails just like the factory setup. The polished side (the image side inside the film rails) is so finely polished you have to hold it up to the light to see which side is polished. When I put a magnifying eye piece over the GG it looks like a lot of scratches but you have a very clear picture of what the lens is seeing. > I do portraiture by window light with reflectors... I don't think I know how to use my light meter right with sun coming in a window. The way you do your portraitures is exactly the way I took the picture of my daughter. I used a reflector to bounce the light up onto her face. The picture was a little dark and the colors were poor. This was in addition to the poor detail in the 8X10. I've also taken pictures of my family with this same window in the back. It is in the background, almost off the picture, but still visible in the picture. It caused a bright haze over half of the picture ruining all the faces. I used a grey card pointed at the camera but the picture was too dark, except for the haze which washed out the faces. Thanks, steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Goldstein" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:26 PM Subject: [KOML] Re: Quality of Koni Lens Questioned? > I wonder if your Lexan GG may be giving you problems/inaccuracies. The factory attachment is in fact located INSIDE the film rails to account for film curvature... > > As for strobes, they are neither necessary or desireable, but they would guarantee that there was no motion blur which might account for lack of sharpness... > > I do portraiture by window light with reflectors... > > Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 23:00:24 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (M Melton) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:00:24 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex Service Manual? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C659.F9FB70A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000B_01C3C659.FA049860" ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C3C659.FA049860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Brian, Lately there have been service manuals on eBay for sale. You might want to check them out before you dive into taking your camera apart. In the search box I type "koni" and search on that. You'll get listing for Koni shocks along with anything for Koni-Omega cameras. I've found by searching this way I never miss anything for Koni-Omega cameras. Have you thought about sending your camera to Greg Weber and letting him rebuild it? You probably would be dollars ahead doing that - just a thought. Maurice -----Original Message----- From: koml-admin@koni-omega.org [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Brian Haagensen Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:01 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex Service Manual? I am in the process of trying to rebuild an Omegaflex M “TLR” (of course it is not really a TLR but that is another story). I cannot find a service (repair) manual to support this project. I have poked around the various “manualsdujour.com”s that you get through a Google search and nobody lists the service manual for this camera. I can only find the operating manual for this camera. Does anyone have a copy of the service manual that I could purchase? If not – I will just have to dive in and hope for the best. Brian ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C3C659.FA049860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brian,
 
Lately = there have=20 been service manuals on eBay for sale.  You might want to check = them out=20 before you dive into taking your camera apart.  In the search box I = type=20 "koni" and search on that.  You'll get listing for Koni shocks = along with=20 anything for Koni-Omega cameras.  I've found by searching this way = I never=20 miss anything for Koni-Omega cameras.
Have = you thought=20 about sending your camera to Greg Weber and letting him rebuild = it?  You=20 probably would be dollars ahead doing that - just a = thought.
 
Maurice
-----Original Message-----
From: = koml-admin@koni-omega.org=20 [mailto:koml-admin@koni-omega.org]On Behalf Of Brian=20 Haagensen
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:01 = PM
To:=20 koml@koni-omega.org
Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex Service=20 Manual?

=20

I am in the process of trying = to rebuild=20 an Omegaflex M =93TLR=94 (of course it is not really a TLR but that is = another=20 story).  I cannot find a = service=20 (repair) manual to support this project. =20 I have poked around the various =93manualsdujour.com=94s that = you get=20 through a Google search and nobody lists the service manual for this=20 camera.  I can only find = the=20 operating manual for this camera. =20

 

Does anyone have a copy of = the service=20 manual that I could purchase? =20

 

If not =96 I will just have = to dive in and=20 hope for the best.

 

Brian=

 

------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C3C659.FA049860-- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C659.F9FB70A0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="image001.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <950135222@19122003-0e11> R0lGODlhQAYFAPQLAKfT/6/X/7fb/7/f/8fj/8/n/9fr/97u/+f0/+73//f8//////H3/+Lv/97w /9Dn/8Df/7DX/5/P/wECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAwECAyH/C01T T0ZGSUNFOS4wDQAAAAFzUkdCAK7OHOkAIf8LTVNPRkZJQ0U5LjAYAAAADG1zT1BNU09GRklDRTku MBObKZRkACH/C01TT0ZGSUNFOS4wGAAAAAxjbVBQSkNtcDA3MTICAAAJAtxSKQAsAAAAAEAGBQAA Bf+gJI6kBJhAqqYBELwwHAmBYN/2IAx8z0OEAWFIJBSMhWThYWg2D9BDA4FIKK6LrHbL7Xq/4LB4 TC6bz+i0es1uu9/wuHxOr9vv+Lx+z+/7/4CBgoOEhYaHiImKi4yNciWQJiIrlCwuMS80NTM4Nz4+ QQRARUdKSgZMTgcOVFUJVgqOsrO0tba3uLm6u7y9vr/AwcLDxMXGwJGQJ8uVL5cxEZk1nTk7Oz0Q PUWkSEkGBaoGUVSvsMfn6Onq6+zt7u/w8fLz9PX2vMkkJyiULSwt0GoIpKbjmo9sQ4Rw67bEmxNx UlwlYMAAy72LGDNq3Mixo8ePIEOKHOkx36RJzPoquXj2YsYmap50HAyicJuRbqkeRjlA7ooCBiSD Ch1KtKjRo0iTKl3KlE4IADs= ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C659.F9FB70A0-- From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 23:06:22 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:06:22 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Quality of Koni Lens Questioned? In-Reply-To: <001b01c3c682$18eba390$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: Steve Everett wrote: > It is possible the Lexan is causing problems but I don't think so. My > way of thinking is all I need is a surface to make an image and a back that > is clear enough that I can see the image. I heard of people using cellophane > tape, which I've tried, and it works. The Lexan is very clear and I placed > the imaging surface inside the film rails just like the factory setup. The > polished side (the image side inside the film rails) is so finely polished > you have to hold it up to the light to see which side is polished. When I > put a magnifying eye piece over the GG it looks like a lot of scratches but > you have a very clear picture of what the lens is seeing. > >> I do portraiture by window light with reflectors... > > I don't think I know how to use my light meter right with sun coming in > a window. The way you do your portraitures is exactly the way I took the > picture of my daughter. I used a reflector to bounce the light up onto her > face. The picture was a little dark and the colors were poor. This was in > addition to the poor detail in the 8X10. I've also taken pictures of my > family with this same window in the back. It is in the background, almost > off the picture, but still visible in the picture. It caused a bright haze > over half of the picture ruining all the faces. I used a grey card pointed > at the camera but the picture was too dark, except for the haze which washed > out the faces. > Thanks, > steve Here's the acid test... look at the negs under high magnification, say 8-10 x. If they are sharp in the center and the corners, then you should be able to get excellent enlargements and your digital lab is at fault... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 23:09:00 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:09:00 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex Service Manual? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: M Melton wrote: > Brian, > > Lately there have been service manuals on eBay for sale. You might want to > check them out before you dive into taking your camera apart. In the search > box I type "koni" and search on that. You'll get listing for Koni shocks > along with anything for Koni-Omega cameras. I've found by searching this > way I never miss anything for Koni-Omega cameras. > Have you thought about sending your camera to Greg Weber and letting him > rebuild it? You probably would be dollars ahead doing that - just a > thought. > > Maurice SECOND REQUEST Please DO NOT send your messages in html and/or include attachments. If you need assistance complying, contact me off-list and I'll be glad to help. Thank you. Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 23:23:16 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Steve Everett) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:23:16 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni Lens Questioned? References: Message-ID: <002601c3c687$14868270$6501a8c0@home> Brian, Thanks for the information. > If the negatives seem sharp but the prints are disappointing, my guess is > that the problem is with the lab. I'm not very good at reading negatives, in fact, this is the first time I've looked at one through a loupe. It is light (not much contrast) but her hair looks sharp. In the picture, with a loupe, the hair looks fuzzy. > There should be no significant difference in sharpness between a digitally > scanned image and a photo printed from an analogue enlarger. Both systems > are capable of reproducing the image very well, assuming they are quality > systems. This is very good news to hear. I know in audio there is a battle going on about the information lost in digital compared to analog and I was wonder if the same applied to photographs. > I would also try to set the aperture to f/8-11 I don't have enough light for this setting. If I wanted to do inside portraits shots at 8 feet away using 100 speed film, with a setting of F8 and above 1/60sec what light (maybe lights) would you guys recommend? Thanks, steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Haagensen" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: RE: [KOML] Quality of Koni Lens Questioned? > Sounds like you have covered all the bases with your camera. If Greg Weber > rebuilt and realigned your system, it should be capable of performing well. > > If the negatives seem sharp but the prints are disappointing, my guess is > that the problem is with the lab. > > There should be no significant difference in sharpness between a digitally > scanned image and a photo printed from an analogue enlarger. Both systems > are capable of reproducing the image very well, assuming they are quality > systems. And both are capable of producing a less than optimum image if > used poorly. It is not a matter of capability but rather a matter of > careful craftsmanship (like many things in life). > > Some additional thoughts... > > 50 ISO slide film has less grain than 400 ISO slide film. BUT - if you > offset the speed difference by using slower shutter speeds, it may be a > matter of subject movement that causes the blurring. I would keep the > shutter speed above 1/60 if you can for portraits, even if you are using a > stable tripod. The concern is with the movement of the subject. > > I would also try to set the aperture to f/8-11 (unless you are trying to > really blur the background), which is not a problem if you have lots of > light. But if you are using tungsten or available light from outside, you > might have some difficulty getting to 1/60 and f/8. I would not try to use > 1/15th because people just can't hold still for that long. According to the > Photodo lens report, the 135mm may have a soft spot at f/5.6. I have no > idea if this is a lens characteristic that affects all lenses, a testing > problem or a individual problem with the lens that was tested. But in any > case, it would seem wise to either conduct your own lens sharpness tests or > to stay away from f/5.6 if you have the choice. The sharpest test aperture > for the 135mm test lens was f/8 -so you are only talking about one stop > difference. Can't hurt to be careful. > > It might be preferable to use a faster film speed even though you incur a > penalty in grain size in order to get your shutter speed up to 1/60. This > applies to portraits especially. But use the slowest film speed that you > can and still have that 1/60 shutter speed. > > Poor or inadequate lighting will cause exposure problems but not resolution > problems. Of course if everything is dark, resolution doesn't matter. You > still can't see it. If your exposure is satisfactory (slides not too dark > or too light) then the resolution (lines per mm) should not be affected - > but the perceived sharpness might be a problem. You need good contrast to > get sharpness. > > In my opinion, you don't necessarily need professional strobes to get good > lighting. You can use consumer strobes and get reasonable results. They > won't put out as much light - or recycle as fast - or perhaps have as many > variable control settings, but they will light the subject. > > If you decide to go to a flash system for your portraits, I would recommend > getting a flash meter. I do not have a Gossen but their reputation is good. > They should be capable of giving you excellent results using your grey card > in ambient light. If you try using flash, then a flash meter will tell you > how much light is reaching the subject. You will have one less variable to > worry about - although theoretically, you can do just as well using guide > numbers and division. I use a Sekonic L-508 and get good results for both > flash and ambient. I am sure there are other meters that do well. > > The key to all this stuff is to learn by trying. Don't be afraid to run > through some film - but keep notes of your exposure setting and correlate > the exposures setting to the outcomes. Slides are always best for judging > outcomes because they do not have the additional variable of the exposure > settings on the printer system. If you can properly expose slides, you will > have no trouble with print film. > > Good luck From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Dec 20 00:20:22 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Geoff) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:20:22 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni lens Questioned? References: <003401c3c62a$20fdb5d0$6501a8c0@home> Message-ID: <007101c3c68f$0f158f40$9e445543@geoffmcauliffe> The local "camera buff" does not know what he is talking about. There are many things that affect the sharpness of a photograph including camera shake, inaccurate rangefinder, inaccurate focusing, movement of the subject, misaligned enlarger, inaccurate focusing of the enlarger, dirty enlarger lenses, film not flat in the scanner, etc. Put the camera on a tripod and shot some slide film at infinity and closer distances. Use a cable release. Look at the slides with a magnifier. A forty year old camera may need to have the rangefinder adjusted. Most people can't handhold nearly as well as they think they can. "My sharpest lens is a tripod" is usually true. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Everett" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: [KOML] Quality of Koni lens Questioned? > I was complained to a local camera buff about the detail and sharpness > of a picture I had enlarged of my daughter. I was comparing it to an 8X10 > school picture I had. I was bringing into question the local camera shop's, > digital printing service, as not being as accurate as maybe the older > enlarging process. > His answer was that although my lighting was not as good, which will > effect the picture, my Koni 200 with the 135mm lens will not get as good of > picture as modern cameras will. He said that with the advances in glass and > lens design, we have had in the last 30 years, an old camera like the Koni > will not compare. > Is this true? Am I wasting my time with old technology? Instead of > collecting and rebuilding my complete Koni system I should have bought a > modern camera? > Thank you, > steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Dec 19 23:37:48 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (KOML Admin) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:37:48 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex Service Manual? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:09 pm -0500 19/12/03, Eric Goldstein wrote: >M Melton wrote: >snip > > Have you thought about sending your camera to Greg Weber and letting him >> rebuild it? You probably would be dollars ahead doing that - just a >> thought. >> >> Maurice > > >SECOND REQUEST > >Please DO NOT send your messages in html and/or include attachments. If you >need assistance complying, contact me off-list and I'll be glad to help. > >Thank you. > >Eric Goldstein Eric, Thanks for the heads up. I have modified the rule set on the server to cope with Uncle Bill's latest version of Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416. (The content descriptors have changed - again). This should stop any more HTML and attachments. Maurice, it is one of the rules of the list that though shalt not post HTML nor attachments. Cheers, Clive PS I do not monitor the failed posts to the list any more since spam levels have increased to the point that it is no longer feasible to pull the wheat from the chaff. If a post to the list fails with a moderation message it is most likely because the post contains HTML. Yhe solution is to send the message again using plain text only. CW. From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Dec 20 04:25:04 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:25:04 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex Service Manual? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: KOML Admin wrote: > Thanks for the heads up. I have modified the rule set on the server > to cope with Uncle Bill's latest version of Outlook IMO, Build > 9.0.2416. (The content descriptors have changed - again). This should > stop any more HTML and attachments. > > Maurice, it is one of the rules of the list that though shalt not > post HTML nor attachments. > > Cheers, > Clive Many thanks. Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Dec 21 16:41:46 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (M Melton) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:41:46 -0500 Subject: [KOML] 135mm Lens Message-ID: Anyone, I feel sure this question has probably been asked and answered before. However, I don't remember seeing or reading it so here goes. The 135mm lens. According to my M owners manual, the camera viewfinder and focusing knob could have been modified to use the 135mm lens. What exactly is/was this modification and is/was it really needed to use the lens? Can the modification be done today? From seeing pictures of the 135mm lens, I feel sure it will mount on the body with no trouble. Don't know what else to ask about this lens and its usage. I feel sure someone out there has used this lens and can expound on this subject. Merry Christmas to all! Maurice From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Dec 21 19:56:54 2003 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Archer Enterprises) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:56:54 -0500 Subject: [KOML] 135mm Lens References: Message-ID: <000a01c3c7fc$962b1e00$4a5e4bab@user> Maurice, The only difference is that the models designated "M", (as opposed to "Rapid M"), have markings in the rangefinder`s viewfinder, and also on the focusing knob, for the 135mm lens....all else remains the same. The lens mount is identical for all models. Happy Holidays to all ! Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Melton" To: "Koml" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: [KOML] 135mm Lens > Anyone, > > I feel sure this question has probably been asked and answered before. > However, I don't remember seeing or reading it so here goes. > > The 135mm lens. According to my M owners manual, the camera viewfinder and > focusing knob could have been modified to use the 135mm lens. What exactly > is/was this modification and is/was it really needed to use the lens? Can > the modification be done today? From seeing pictures of the 135mm lens, I > feel sure it will mount on the body with no trouble. Don't know what else > to ask about this lens and its usage. I feel sure someone out there has > used this lens and can expound on this subject. > > Merry Christmas to all! > > Maurice > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml