From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 3 02:34:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:34:41 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Happy New Year! Message-ID: Hope you all have a Happy and Prosperous New Year - with plenty of 6x7 success. Have been travelling around a lot over the holidays, taking the favourite Koni-Omega along for the trip of course. Just found 5 rolls in the fridge shot in the US about two years ago and developed them today. The film has survived perfectly, I was a little concerned that it may have fogged a little being Infrared but it was fine and definitely worth the effort. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 3 02:34:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:34:41 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Adjustment question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> I was out using my Rapid on New Year's Day...found that as things got colder outside that I was not able to reliably release the shutter. The release point has always been down near the end of the shutter release travel. How is this corrected? Adjust the body or the lens? Thanks! -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change ready. From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 3 02:52:00 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:52:00 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Adjustment question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 9:34 pm -0500 2/1/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >I was out using my Rapid on New Year's Day...found that as things >got colder outside that I was not able to reliably release the >shutter. The release point has always been down near the end of the >shutter release travel. How is this corrected? Adjust the body or >the lens? > >Thanks! The Rapid is normally quite well behaved in this department - it is the Koni-Omega that has more problems usually. The place to start is the body. There are a series of levers that end up actuating the shutter release lever on the back of the lens. These levers are fairly agricultural so a judicious (careful) bending can get things back to normal. If you are not happy inside a camera with screwdrivers etc, then best to let someone like Greg Weber have the camera to sort it out. If you have access to another lens, it would be useful to test that with the body just to double check that it is indeed the body levers that are at fault. Most of the wide angle lenses that I have used tend to release at the end of the shutter release travel, so another 90mm or a 180mm to test would be the best options. Hope this helps. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 3 13:26:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 08:26:41 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Adjustment question In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020103082603.01e6c190@pop.mindspring.com> At 09:52 PM 1/2/2002, you wrote: >At 9:34 pm -0500 2/1/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >>I was out using my Rapid on New Year's Day...found that as things got >>colder outside that I was not able to reliably release the shutter. The >>release point has always been down near the end of the shutter release >>travel. How is this corrected? Adjust the body or the lens? >> >>Thanks! > >The Rapid is normally quite well behaved in this department - it is the >Koni-Omega that has more problems usually. The place to start is the >body. There are a series of levers that end up actuating the shutter >release lever on the back of the lens. These levers are fairly >agricultural so a judicious (careful) bending can get things back to normal. > >If you are not happy inside a camera with screwdrivers etc, then best to >let someone like Greg Weber have the camera to sort it out. > >If you have access to another lens, it would be useful to test that with >the body just to double check that it is indeed the body levers that are >at fault. > >Most of the wide angle lenses that I have used tend to release at the end >of the shutter release travel, so another 90mm or a 180mm to test would be >the best options. Thanks - I have two other 90s, a 58 and a borrowed 180 to try...also have a second Rapid body to use for comparison :) -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change ready. From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 3 13:59:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:59:55 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Adjustment question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020103082603.01e6c190@pop.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020103082603.01e6c190@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 8:26 am -0500 3/1/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >At 09:52 PM 1/2/2002, you wrote: >>At 9:34 pm -0500 2/1/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >>>I was out using my Rapid on New Year's Day...found that as things >>>got colder outside that I was not able to reliably release the >>>shutter. The release point has always been down near the end of >>>the shutter release travel. How is this corrected? Adjust the >>>body or the lens? >>> snip >> >>If you have access to another lens, it would be useful to test that >>with the body just to double check that it is indeed the body >>levers that are at fault. >> >>Most of the wide angle lenses that I have used tend to release at >>the end of the shutter release travel, so another 90mm or a 180mm >>to test would be the best options. > >Thanks - I have two other 90s, a 58 and a borrowed 180 to try...also >have a second Rapid body to use for comparison :) Let us know how you get on. Seems as though you have plenty of kit for comparisons! Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 3 21:18:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:18:14 -0500 Subject: [KOML] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi Clive, I noticed in a message you posted this past June that you had a 135mm lens for a omegaflex. Is it still for sale? if so what is the condition of it? Evan From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 3 22:08:53 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:08:53 +0000 Subject: [KOML] 135mm Omegaflex Lens Message-ID: At 4:18 pm -0500 3/1/02, evan.lauber@thomsonlearning.com wrote: >Hi Clive, > >I noticed in a message you posted this past June that you had a 135mm lens >for a omegaflex. Is it still for sale? if so what is the condition of it? > >Evan Hello Evan, Well I still have the lens but it is not really for sale. I offered to exchange it for a 135mm Rapid lens at the time of posting the last message about it. I have recently picked up a scrapper 135mm lens and may need to use some parts from the Omegaflex lens. A shame really as the Omegaflex lens is about mint and in it's original leather case. If I can get away with reconditioning the 135mm Rapid lens without touching the Omegaflex 135mm then will do that and the Omegaflex may be up for grabs. Will let you know through the list if this is the case. Take it that you have an Omegaflex? Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 3 22:18:54 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:18:54 -0700 Subject: [KOML] 135mm Omegaflex Lens Message-ID: Clive, Have you found that 135 lens to be useful? I had to sell mine (to go digital) and I have to admit that I don't miss it much. But, then again...my poor Koni just been sitting in a camera bag these last couple of months. I think I hear it crying to be used. I'm having nightmares! The poor thing wants to take pictures. I've promised to take it out this weekend and get away from this &%*@# computer! It's happy now! (and me too!!!) Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Clive Warren [mailto:cocam@cableinet.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:09 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] 135mm Omegaflex Lens At 4:18 pm -0500 3/1/02, evan.lauber@thomsonlearning.com wrote: >Hi Clive, > >I noticed in a message you posted this past June that you had a 135mm lens >for a omegaflex. Is it still for sale? if so what is the condition of it? > >Evan Hello Evan, Well I still have the lens but it is not really for sale. I offered to exchange it for a 135mm Rapid lens at the time of posting the last message about it. I have recently picked up a scrapper 135mm lens and may need to use some parts from the Omegaflex lens. A shame really as the Omegaflex lens is about mint and in it's original leather case. If I can get away with reconditioning the 135mm Rapid lens without touching the Omegaflex 135mm then will do that and the Omegaflex may be up for grabs. Will let you know through the list if this is the case. Take it that you have an Omegaflex? Cheers, Clive _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 3 22:22:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:22:18 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Adjustment question In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020103082603.01e6c190@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020103082603.01e6c190@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020103171605.01e851b0@pop.mindspring.com> At 08:59 AM 1/3/2002, you wrote: >At 8:26 am -0500 3/1/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >>At 09:52 PM 1/2/2002, you wrote: >>>At 9:34 pm -0500 2/1/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >>>>I was out using my Rapid on New Year's Day...found that as things got >>>>colder outside that I was not able to reliably release the >>>>shutter. The release point has always been down near the end of the >>>>shutter release travel. How is this corrected? Adjust the body or the lens? >snip >>> >>>If you have access to another lens, it would be useful to test that with >>>the body just to double check that it is indeed the body levers that are >>>at fault. >>> >>>Most of the wide angle lenses that I have used tend to release at the >>>end of the shutter release travel, so another 90mm or a 180mm to test >>>would be the best options. >> >>Thanks - I have two other 90s, a 58 and a borrowed 180 to try...also have >>a second Rapid body to use for comparison :) > >Let us know how you get on. Seems as though you have plenty of kit for >comparisons! Well after an afternoon of fiddling with various combinations, I conclude that it's the release on the first body. How? 1 - The other lenses are either unreliable or just won't fire on body 1, but work the treat on body 2. 2 - The lens I normally use on body 1 works fine on body 2. 3 - If I push up just a bit on any lens on body 1 it fires every time. 4 - Shutter fires on body 2 with about 2mm of travel left before it bottoms 5 - Shutter fires on body 1 just as it bottoms. 6 - So, body one sounds a bit out of whack. Can you detail what's involved in accessing the release mechanism? I know my limits so if it's pretty straightforward I'll take a long slow look at it; otherwise off it goes. Side note - was recently given a very tired Mamiya Press camera - have been bodging around with it, cleaning the RF, etc...it's certainly not as wasy to use as the Konis, and with a Graflex back on it I can hardly get my eye up to the finder to frame. Strange beast...but it has a 6x9 back on it so I plan to give it a try. Hey, it was free :) -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change ready. From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 3 22:32:45 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:32:45 +0000 Subject: [KOML] 135mm Omegaflex Lens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:18 pm -0700 3/1/02, Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: >Clive, >Have you found that 135 lens to be useful? I had to sell mine (to go >digital) and I have to admit that I don't miss it much. But, then again...my >poor Koni just been sitting in a camera bag these last couple of months. I >think I hear it crying to be used. I'm having nightmares! The poor thing >wants to take pictures. > >I've promised to take it out this weekend and get away from this &%*@# >computer! It's happy now! (and me too!!!) > >Barbara Hi Barbara, Well the lens hasn't actually arrived here yet - I only have the description from the seller to go on. Have a feeling that it will be a bit rough but I wasn't willing to pay the rather high prices that the 135mm Rapid lenses seem to fetch when being chased by collectors. Seem to recall watching your lens go on EBay :-) I don't think I'll use it a lot, but it is much lighter than the 180mm and will make backpacking slightly more comfortable. There is a digital camera here but it's a tool for a different sort of job. There is still not much that can beat a 6x7 format unless you wander into the realms of large format photography. Good to hear that you're still using your Koni and have a great weekend together! Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 19 19:09:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jim Thomas / Debbie Thomas) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:09:08 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Tips for getting out the lens insert? Message-ID: <3C49C454.12B63BB9@erols.com> Hi, Anyone have any tips for getting that series 6 insert out of the 90mm Hexanon lens? I've got a nice new lens here with a nice new B&W 49mm UV filter just waiting to go into it, and I can't budge the insert! Gee, the one on my older beat up 90mm Hexanon came right out... Thanks for any hints or suggestions. Regards, Jim Thomas ____________________________________________________________________ Jim Thomas Debbie Thomas Rockville, Maryland USA e-mail: jwthomas@erols.com webpage: http://geocities.com/novartelma/ ____________________________________________________________________ From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 19 21:19:38 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:19:38 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Tips for getting out the lens insert? In-Reply-To: <3C49C454.12B63BB9@erols.com> References: <3C49C454.12B63BB9@erols.com> Message-ID: At 2:09 pm -0500 19/1/02, Jim Thomas / Debbie Thomas wrote: >Hi, > >Anyone have any tips for getting that series 6 insert out of the 90mm >Hexanon lens? I've got a nice new lens here with a nice new B&W 49mm UV >filter just waiting to go into it, and I can't budge the insert! > >Gee, the one on my older beat up 90mm Hexanon came right out... Thanks >for any hints or suggestions. > >Regards, > >Jim Thomas Hello Jim, Find a rubber stopper of the same size (49mm in diameter) and then use it to unscrew the Series 6 adaptor ring. Press the rubber stopper fairly hard against the end of the ring and unscrew - sounds unlikely but it works extremely well. It's a good idea to hang on to the ring though as the Omega close up adaptors that you may buy in the future require a Series 6 filter size. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 19 21:23:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:23:23 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Adjustment question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020103171605.01e851b0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020103082603.01e6c190@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020103082603.01e6c190@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020103171605.01e851b0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 5:22 pm -0500 3/1/02, Craig Zeni wrote: > >Well after an afternoon of fiddling with various combinations, I >conclude that it's the release on the first body. How? > >1 - The other lenses are either unreliable or just won't fire on >body 1, but work the treat on body 2. >2 - The lens I normally use on body 1 works fine on body 2. >3 - If I push up just a bit on any lens on body 1 it fires every time. >4 - Shutter fires on body 2 with about 2mm of travel left before it bottoms >5 - Shutter fires on body 1 just as it bottoms. >6 - So, body one sounds a bit out of whack. > >Can you detail what's involved in accessing the release mechanism? >I know my limits so if it's pretty straightforward I'll take a long >slow look at it; otherwise off it goes. snip I would not want to attempt giving instructions on how to pull your Koni apart - they are however fairly simple to work on. If you want to ensure that the camera continues to work and is reliable then much better to send it off to someone like Greg Weber and have it serviced. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jan 19 21:37:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jim Thomas / Debbie Thomas) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:37:33 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Tips for getting out the lens insert? References: <3C49C454.12B63BB9@erols.com> Message-ID: <3C49E71D.642700EF@erols.com> Clive Warren wrote: > > Hello Jim, > > Find a rubber stopper of the same size (49mm in diameter) and then > use it to unscrew the Series 6 adaptor ring. Press the rubber stopper > fairly hard against the end of the ring and unscrew - sounds unlikely > but it works extremely well. > > It's a good idea to hang on to the ring though as the Omega close up > adaptors that you may buy in the future require a Series 6 filter > size. > > Cheers, > Clive > Hello Clive! Thanks very much for the tip. I couldn't find rubber stoppers, but I came up with a 1 1/2 inch rubber furniture tip that did the trick with a little trimming. Best wishes, Jim From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jan 20 00:12:24 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:12:24 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Adjustment question In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020103171605.01e851b0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020103082603.01e6c190@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102213300.02190ec0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020103082603.01e6c190@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020103171605.01e851b0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020119191031.025942d0@pop.mindspring.com> At 04:23 PM 1/19/2002, you wrote: >At 5:22 pm -0500 3/1/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >> >>Well after an afternoon of fiddling with various combinations, I conclude >>that it's the release on the first body. How? >> >>1 - The other lenses are either unreliable or just won't fire on body 1, >>but work the treat on body 2. >>2 - The lens I normally use on body 1 works fine on body 2. >>3 - If I push up just a bit on any lens on body 1 it fires every time. >>4 - Shutter fires on body 2 with about 2mm of travel left before it bottoms >>5 - Shutter fires on body 1 just as it bottoms. >>6 - So, body one sounds a bit out of whack. >> >>Can you detail what's involved in accessing the release mechanism? I know >>my limits so if it's pretty straightforward I'll take a long slow look at >>it; otherwise off it goes. >snip > >I would not want to attempt giving instructions on how to pull your Koni >apart - they are however fairly simple to work on. If you want to ensure >that the camera continues to work and is reliable then much better to send >it off to someone like Greg Weber and have it serviced. Yes, that's the game plan...decided that I wasn't going to risk munging it up... FWIW, B&W still makes Series filters - I bought a Series 6 from them a couple of weeks ago for about $35.00...local shop ordered it for me, had some old Series 6 rings in one of their stuff boxes for $2... -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html Entropy isn't what it used to be. From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jan 24 01:06:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:06:47 EST Subject: [KOML] OMEGAFLEX SYSTEM Message-ID: <193.188df60.2980b827@aol.com> hello, there is currently an omegaflex camera with 3 lenses listed on e-bay. anyone have any opinions on this camera? [ market value, ease of use, features, problems, etc.] all information/comments are welcome. however, i have enough film plane datum to last a lifetime. thank you From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jan 25 00:10:07 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:10:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex Message-ID: <20020125001007.31520.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Hello GenderWars (and list), There is lots of good info. on Omegaflex at Peter Lanczak's Koni site: http://www.peterlanczak.de/koni.htm. I bought an Omegaflex system last year, and have unfortunately had the opportunity to shoot with it only a couple of times. Of course it features the nice flat film and great glass of the other Konis, but without the rangefinder quirks (it has TLR quirks instead!). Perhaps a bit easier than the rangefinders for close-up work (with the optional spacers), and the wonderful 135mm lens is cheaper and more readily available than for the rangefinder models. I would look at it as a high-quality, low-cost introduction to 6x7 STUDIO or CLOSE-TO-THE-CAR LANDSCAPE photography (on tripod). It is not easy to lug around (especially with a selection of lenses), it is not really hand-holdable, and it is not particularly fast in operation. Almost like I imagine a view camera would be, but with roll-film. For a body, back and 90mm lens in used, working condition, expect to pay between $200 and $300 on eBay. Add for additional lenses ($125-250 each for the 58 and 180, $200-400 for the 135), and for a reflex or chimney viewer (maybe $50). Let us know if/when you decide to spring! -Paul Reese ____________ GENDERWARS3@aol.com wrote: hello, there is currently an omegaflex camera with 3 lenses listed on e-bay. anyone have any opinions on this camera? [ market value, ease of use, features, problems, etc.] all information/comments are welcome. however, i have enough film plane datum to last a lifetime. thank you __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jan 28 00:38:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Gabriel Regalbuto) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:38:18 -0700 Subject: [KOML] repair manual question Message-ID: <200201271738.AA509411648@mail.sdccu.net> Showing my true colors, I have managed to dissassemble my Rapid 200 completely after an attempt to adjust my rangefinder spiraled out of control. Thankfully, it is a relatively simple beast. I have just one question before I'm back on track. I don't have a service manual and am stuck with a lever I don't know how to place. Under the hood, and then under the rangefinder assembly completely on top of the camera body and slightly to the left there is a flat chrome arm about 1.5" long with a slight elbow in the middle. For the life of me I cannot figure out what this arm is supposed to engage with. It seems that it must have some function with the rangefinder mechanism. Anyhow, if anyone can give me a tip, or perhaps email me a schematic I would be greatly appreciative. Taking pictures with that rig is highly addictive, as most of you know, and my Canon system is dusty and not nearly so romantic. Thanks. From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Feb 9 07:33:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (ROBERT SANCHEZ) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:33:36 -0800 Subject: [KOML] koni omega rapid 120 problems Message-ID: <41200226973336440@earthlink.net>

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF I CAN USE A NEWER STYLE 120 BACK FROM A RAPID 200 ON A KONI OMEGA RAPID WITH THE OLDER STYLE FLAT 120 BACK.
MY 120 BACK IS HAVING SPACING PROBLEMS.
PLEASE ADVISE
THANKS,
ROBERT.
 
--- ROBERT SANCHEZ
---visit me at www.shootmephoto.net
 

From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Feb 12 21:59:46 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (skaram) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:59:46 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Rodenstock lens? Message-ID: <3D05D096@webmail.kent.edu> Hello, My name is Sara and I am trying to sell a Rodenstock Grandagon, 75mm, 1:6.8 lens. The thing is I have no idea how much it is new let alone used. So if somebody knows what they are going for please let me know. It's attached to Omega 4x5 lens board and in good condition. Thanks. Sara Karam From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Feb 12 22:45:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:45:18 +0000 Subject: [KOML] koni omega rapid 120 problems In-Reply-To: <41200226973336440@earthlink.net> References: <41200226973336440@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 11:33 pm -0800 8/2/02, ROBERT SANCHEZ wrote: A message full of HTML which has been chopped! Robert, A couple of things - please do not post HTML to the list and did you know that when you type your messages in upper case it is the EMail equivalent to shouting?! Try again in a softer voice and without the HTML! Oh yes, NO you can't use a later Rapid Omega 200 back on an earlier Koni-Omega. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Feb 12 22:59:39 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:59:39 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Rodenstock lens? In-Reply-To: <3D05D096@webmail.kent.edu> References: <3D05D096@webmail.kent.edu> Message-ID: At 4:59 pm -0500 12/2/02, skaram wrote: >Hello, >My name is Sara and I am trying to sell a Rodenstock Grandagon, 75mm, 1:6.8 >lens. The thing is I have no idea how much it is new let alone used. So if >somebody knows what they are going for please let me know. It's attached to >Omega 4x5 lens board and in good condition. Thanks. >Sara Karam Hello Sara, The Grandagon is a well respected lens - I have a 65mm which does a good job on 4x5. The value very much depends on the condition of both the glass and the shutter, also not many 4x5 cameras can use a 75mm lens without either a recessed lens board and/or bag bellows. So there may be a limited market. Rodenstock currently produce a Grandagon N 75mm lens in a Copal #0 shutter. The newer lenses cost around $1000 in shutter from the cheapest source. The value of one of the newer lenses in mint used condition will be around $500. Essentially used value is difficult to determine as something is worth whatever anyone will pay for it! Now, you haven't mentioned Koni or Rapid Omegas in your post, however you can probably get away with that as I just mentioned them :-) If you are interested in a part-exch for Koni kit then contact me off the list. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Mar 9 00:35:29 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:35:29 EST Subject: [KOML] lens flare Message-ID: <15c.9b1e9c7.29bab2d1@aol.com> anyone have trouble with lens flare using the koni wide angle lens? From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Mar 9 01:32:32 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:32:32 -0500 Subject: [KOML] lens flare References: <15c.9b1e9c7.29bab2d1@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C896630.3EE5D4D5@earthlink.net> Yes, the Hexanons are a little flare-prone, I guess the coatings were not as sophisticated back then.I usually carry an old "crushable" type hat to help shade the lens. Robert GENDERWARS3@aol.com wrote: > anyone have trouble with lens flare using the koni wide angle lens? > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Mar 9 01:40:09 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 01:40:09 +0000 Subject: [KOML] lens flare In-Reply-To: <3C896630.3EE5D4D5@earthlink.net> References: <15c.9b1e9c7.29bab2d1@aol.com> <3C896630.3EE5D4D5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 8:32 pm -0500 8/3/02, Nancy Brown wrote: > >GENDERWARS3@aol.com wrote: > > anyone have trouble with lens flare using the koni wide angle lens? > > >Yes, the Hexanons are a little flare-prone, I guess the coatings were >not as sophisticated back then.I usually carry an old "crushable" type >hat to help shade the lens. >Robert The secret here as suggested is using a lens shade - hats are great for this! I am a bit surprised that people are finding the wide angle flare prone though. The coatings on the lens are fairly efficient and in all the time I have been using a KO wide angle I have not found flare to be a significant problem. A wide angle lens by its very nature will be more susceptible to flare than a "normal" focal length lens as it has a wider angle of view. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 25 12:48:04 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:48:04 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Traffic and a Survey Message-ID: Dear All, I have received a few Emails off the list recently asking about traffic and the distinct lack of posts to the list! Well, the list is provided as a service and if everyone decides to lurk then clearly there will be no traffic. In an effort to perk things up a little, how about a quick survey to see who uses what? I'll start the ball rolling. Current favourite (all-time really) kit is the older Koni-Omega Rapid which is a little less bulky than the later Rapid Omegas but does have a couple of disadvantages, you cannot change film mid roll and the shutter release actuates the film plate to flatten the film. The lack of mid-roll change facilities you can live with, however if you use a cable release for the shutter it does have to be a fairly heavy duty item as a fair amount of force is required to move that film plate as part of the shutter release mechanism. When travelling to more distant places I usually pack a Rapid Omega 200 with a few film backs and three lenses, the 58mm, 90mm and 180mm. There is a rather nice Omega leather case sitting here for the 200 and its lenses, however I normally use a more compact bag that is a bit easier to carry. Does anyone else share my delight with the older K-O Rapid? Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 25 13:02:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:02:33 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Traffic and a Survey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325075639.01e896f0@pop.mindspring.com> At 07:48 AM 3/25/2002, you wrote: >Dear All, > >I have received a few Emails off the list recently asking about traffic >and the distinct lack of posts to the list! > >Well, the list is provided as a service and if everyone decides to lurk >then clearly there will be no traffic. In an effort to perk things up a >little, how about a quick survey to see who uses what? > >I'll start the ball rolling. Current favourite (all-time really) kit is >the older Koni-Omega Rapid which is a little less bulky than the later >Rapid Omegas but does have a couple of disadvantages, you cannot change >film mid roll and the shutter release actuates the film plate to flatten >the film. The lack of mid-roll change facilities you can live with, >however if you use a cable release for the shutter it does have to be a >fairly heavy duty item as a fair amount of force is required to move that >film plate as part of the shutter release mechanism. > >When travelling to more distant places I usually pack a Rapid Omega 200 >with a few film backs and three lenses, the 58mm, 90mm and 180mm. > >There is a rather nice Omega leather case sitting here for the 200 and its >lenses, however I normally use a more compact bag that is a bit easier to >carry. > >Does anyone else share my delight with the older K-O Rapid? I've got two Rapids. Compared with a 100 that I've used, I found the 100's finder to be a bit busy with the extra framing info. Thus far I've managed to accumulate three additional backs, a 58 w/ finder, a long-term borrowed 180 and a spare 90mm lens. I hadn't really found the shutter release to be an issue as I don't use a cable. One thing I found to make it easier to use without a cable is fitting one of Tom Abramsson's "Softies" soft release button - adds just enough length and a nice smooth surface to boot. Mid roll might be nice, but the Rapid bits were pretty inexpensive and I can just do a mid-camera change if I need to :) A question about my Rapids: One has a distinct yellow tint to the RF window...I've taken the top off and it appears to have been made that way; the other camera has no such tint. Was the yellow a factory thing, or something somebody retrofitted? -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html The Sixties ain't over till the Fat Lady gets high. - J. Garcia From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 25 13:25:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:25:08 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Traffic and a Survey In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325075639.01e896f0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325075639.01e896f0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 8:02 am -0500 25/3/02, Craig Zeni wrote: huge snip >> >>Does anyone else share my delight with the older K-O Rapid? > >I've got two Rapids. Compared with a 100 that I've used, I found >the 100's finder to be a bit busy with the extra framing info. Thus >far I've managed to accumulate three additional backs, a 58 w/ >finder, a long-term borrowed 180 and a spare 90mm lens. I hadn't >really found the shutter release to be an issue as I don't use a >cable. One thing I found to make it easier to use without a cable >is fitting one of Tom Abramsson's "Softies" soft release button - >adds just enough length and a nice smooth surface to boot. Mid roll >might be nice, but the Rapid bits were pretty inexpensive and I can >just do a mid-camera change if I need to :) > >A question about my Rapids: One has a distinct yellow tint to the >RF window...I've taken the top off and it appears to have been made >that way; the other camera has no such tint. Was the yellow a >factory thing, or something somebody retrofitted? The shutter release is only an issue with the Koni-Omega Rapid rather than the Rapid Omega 100 which is a later version of the same camera. What are "Softies"? As for the range finder window - do you mean that the complete image as seen through the viewfinder is yellow tinted? Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 25 16:51:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:51:14 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Traffic and a Survey In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325075639.01e896f0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020325075639.01e896f0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325114627.02262030@pop.mindspring.com> At 08:25 AM 3/25/2002, you wrote: >At 8:02 am -0500 25/3/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >huge snip >>> >>>Does anyone else share my delight with the older K-O Rapid? >> >>I've got two Rapids. Compared with a 100 that I've used, I found the >>100's finder to be a bit busy with the extra framing info. Thus far I've >>managed to accumulate three additional backs, a 58 w/ finder, a long-term >>borrowed 180 and a spare 90mm lens. I hadn't really found the shutter >>release to be an issue as I don't use a cable. One thing I found to make >>it easier to use without a cable is fitting one of Tom Abramsson's >>"Softies" soft release button - adds just enough length and a nice smooth >>surface to boot. Mid roll might be nice, but the Rapid bits were pretty >>inexpensive and I can just do a mid-camera change if I need to :) >> >>A question about my Rapids: One has a distinct yellow tint to the RF >>window...I've taken the top off and it appears to have been made that >>way; the other camera has no such tint. Was the yellow a factory thing, >>or something somebody retrofitted? > >The shutter release is only an issue with the Koni-Omega Rapid rather than >the Rapid Omega 100 which is a later version of the same camera. Yes, I noted that the 100 I used did the pressure plate activation as part of the film advance regimen... >What are "Softies"? http://www.rapidwinder.com/#softrelease - a soft release...very nicely made. Bought one for my old M4 and found it too easy to release the M4 shutter by accident. >As for the range finder window - do you mean that the complete image as >seen through the viewfinder is yellow tinted? The RF patch and framelines are not tinted - the rest is tinted. One can see the yellow from the front of the camera. It's very even and transparent, so I don't think it's due to fading or similar aging... -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html The Sixties ain't over till the Fat Lady gets high. - J. Garcia From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 25 20:28:58 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:28:58 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Traffic and a Survey In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325114627.02262030@pop.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325075639.01e896f0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020325075639.01e896f0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020325114627.02262030@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 11:51 am -0500 25/3/02, Craig Zeni wrote: snip > >>What are "Softies"? > >http://www.rapidwinder.com/#softrelease - a soft release...very >nicely made. Bought one for my old M4 and found it too easy to >release the M4 shutter by accident. > >>As for the range finder window - do you mean that the complete >>image as seen through the viewfinder is yellow tinted? > >The RF patch and framelines are not tinted - the rest is tinted. >One can see the yellow from the front of the camera. It's very even >and transparent, so I don't think it's due to fading or similar >aging... Thanks for the URL - interesting device but I tend to use a tripod more often than not.... Having said that, the K-O Rapid is a great camera for handheld work and was of course designed to be used in that way. The first time I ever used the KO for grab shots was with Ilford XP2 and the results were stunning. Sounds as though your camera has had some work done to the rangefinder - I have had several KO Rapids and do not recall the RF window being yellow tinted. The RF square patch was always yellow tinted when looking through the viewfinder rather than the remainder of the image! I guess that a few people will by now have remembered that they are subscribed to the list so look forward to hearing about other people's kit bags. What light meter do you use Craig? Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 25 20:59:38 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:59:38 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Traffic and a Survey In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325114627.02262030@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020325075639.01e896f0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020325075639.01e896f0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020325114627.02262030@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325155449.0201acb0@pop.mindspring.com> At 03:28 PM 3/25/2002, you wrote: >At 11:51 am -0500 25/3/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >snip >> >>>What are "Softies"? >> >>http://www.rapidwinder.com/#softrelease - a soft release...very nicely=20 >>made. Bought one for my old M4 and found it too easy to release the M4=20 >>shutter by accident. >> >>>As for the range finder window - do you mean that the complete image as= =20 >>>seen through the viewfinder is yellow tinted? >> >>The RF patch and framelines are not tinted - the rest is tinted. One can= =20 >>see the yellow from the front of the camera. It's very even and=20 >>transparent, so I don't think it's due to fading or similar aging... > >Thanks for the URL - interesting device but I tend to use a tripod more=20 >often than not.... Having said that, the K-O Rapid is a great camera for=20 >handheld work and was of course designed to be used in that way. The first= =20 >time I ever used the KO for grab shots was with Ilford XP2 and the results= =20 >were stunning. > >Sounds as though your camera has had some work done to the rangefinder - I= =20 >have had several KO Rapids and do not recall the RF window being yellow=20 >tinted. The RF square patch was always yellow tinted when looking through= =20 >the viewfinder rather than the remainder of the image! > >I guess that a few people will by now have remembered that they are=20 >subscribed to the list so look forward to hearing about other people's kit= =20 >bags. > >What light meter do you use Craig? I started out using a Norwood Director...last year I bought an accessory=20 shoe-mounted Voigtl=E4nder VC meter that works extremely well with all my=20 non-metered cameras. It either lives on my old M4 in which I shoot chromes= =20 and get fine results, or on the Rapid where I shoot b&w only... -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html The Sixties ain't over till the Fat Lady gets high. - J. Garcia From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Mar 25 23:02:27 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:02:27 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Traffic and a Survey References: Message-ID: <3C9FAC83.A68BEC9E@earthlink.net> Hi gang, I just figured the reason for the recent lack of posts was everyone is out taking lots of photos.This past weekend I took advantage of the warmer temperature and got out just after sunup for some scenic shots, burning a roll of Velvia and a roll of XP2 in the process.The kit that I carry when I`m serious (or ambitious) consists of the following:Rapid 200 body,2 120 & 1 220 backs,all 4 lenses (have`nt had much chance to play with my recently-acquired 135 yet),home-brewed ground-glass back,K-O flash bracket w/modified Rollei flash arm, Sunpak 120J flash unit,Polaris light/flash meter, a couple of filters, film,an old hat to use as a sunshade, and a 3x6 foot sheet of plastic dropcloth for those inevitable "down on your belly in the wet grass" shots.All this fits neatly into a medium-sized LowePro backpack, but it`s a heavy sucker, especially combined with the weight of my tripod (Bogen 3021 w/3047 head), so I will frequently streamline it down to whatever I feel are the bare essentials for the job at hand. I have several bags, among them the Lowe Nova 4 & 5, good bags when you`re "on the go".Judging by past experience, I seem to use the 58 & 90 most frequently, but I love landscapes, so the 58 sees a lot of action.When people ask "What kind of camera is that ", I tell `em "It`s the world`s biggest point-n-shoot !". Happy Trails, Robert Clive Warren wrote: > Dear All, > > I have received a few Emails off the list recently asking about > traffic and the distinct lack of posts to the list! > > Well, the list is provided as a service and if everyone decides to > lurk then clearly there will be no traffic. In an effort to perk > things up a little, how about a quick survey to see who uses what? > > I'll start the ball rolling. Current favourite (all-time really) kit > is the older Koni-Omega Rapid which is a little less bulky than the > later Rapid Omegas but does have a couple of disadvantages, you > cannot change film mid roll and the shutter release actuates the film > plate to flatten the film. The lack of mid-roll change facilities you > can live with, however if you use a cable release for the shutter it > does have to be a fairly heavy duty item as a fair amount of force is > required to move that film plate as part of the shutter release > mechanism. > > When travelling to more distant places I usually pack a Rapid Omega > 200 with a few film backs and three lenses, the 58mm, 90mm and 180mm. > > There is a rather nice Omega leather case sitting here for the 200 > and its lenses, however I normally use a more compact bag that is a > bit easier to carry. > > Does anyone else share my delight with the older K-O Rapid? > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Mar 27 06:10:34 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:10:34 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Traffic & Survey Message-ID: <009101c1d556$1c54ae60$abfde1cf@evegirard> I 'fess up. I'm one of the guilty parties who asked about the lack of postings. My problem was that I am in digest form - this digest list begins in January! As far as Konis go - I have 2 Rapids and love them absolutely! I have mucked about with all the Medium Format press-types - the Linhofs (even owned a Press), the Graphics, Mamiyas, Graflex XL, and so on. They're gone, my Rapids are still here. I am casting about for the front covering piece for the Rapid - the silver one with the rangefinder window openings. (it's a long story!) Also looking for project cameras and lenses. There, Clive, I've done it! A posting to the List! Eve Girard (no longer lurking in Washington State) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Mar 27 10:55:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:55:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [KOML] My meager contribution Message-ID: <20020327105514.42545.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Time to see if I can prompt some "unsubscribe" requests! :-) I've had success before. Per Clive's prompting, my Koni story: About a year ago, after a year of very satisfying 35mm Konica SLR use, I went on a Koni buying frenzy, and ended up with (1) an RO200, (2) a Rapid M, (3) the 58mm, 90mm and 180mm rangefinder lenses, (4) an Omegaflex with 90 and 135mm lenses, and (5) about a half dozen assorted backs. I shot with the rangefinders once, and the Omegaflex exactly twice before various other priorities intervened. I am embarrassed, and I pine for these beautiful cameras and more time to shoot with them ... but I trust that it will come, soon! Meanwhile, I can report that the 135, in my opinion, lives up to its reputation. Mine is noticeably sharper than the 3 90mm examples I have (including the Omegaflex 90), and all of those looked pretty good, too -- until compared to the 135's slides. By contrast, I was very disappointed with my results with the RF 58 and 180. I wonder whether operator error may have contributed (I'm new to RF focusing), or perhaps my RF bodies need adjusting. Unfortunately I haven't had time to work out a clear diagnosis. All my Koni shooting to date has been on Provia 100F, and both color and contrast through the Koni lenses seem quite good -- though perhaps not quite up to the 35mm Hexanons? I have to confess a special fondness, at this early stage, for the ungainly Omegaflex. It's certainly more of a studio creature, but it seems very functional in that environment, while sporting an endearing cosmetic quirkiness. Sure, the RFs can turn some heads on the street. But the 'flex will draw a crowd. I'll be sure to report when I've finally done some more shooting, and worked out my RF 58/180 issues. Meanwhile, I'll continue to enjoy your more substantive posts! -Paul Reese (in Los Angeles) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Mar 28 16:56:34 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:56:34 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Traffic and a Survey In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325155449.0201acb0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325114627.02262030@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020325075639.01e896f0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020325075639.01e896f0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020325114627.02262030@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020325155449.0201acb0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 3:59 PM -0500 25/3/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >>big snip >> >>What light meter do you use Craig? > >I started out using a Norwood Director...last year I bought an >accessory shoe-mounted Voigtl=E4nder VC meter that works extremely >well with all my non-metered cameras. It either lives on my old M4 >in which I shoot chromes and get fine results, or on the Rapid where >I shoot b&w only... That Voigtl=E4nder VC meter sounds interesting. I have a couple of small accessory mount meters, but not one that I would trust enough for chromes. Is this a contemporary meter or an old one? Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Apr 2 20:27:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:27:52 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Photo Ethics Guidelines Message-ID: <3CA9CDF8.10572.374F80@localhost> Those who publish photos may be interested in commenting on (or using) these photo ethics guidelines. http://www.digitalcustom.com/howto/mediaguidelines.htm. --------------------------------------- Tom A. Trottier, +1 613 860-6633 758 Albert St, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 --------------------------------------- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Apr 3 07:49:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:49:55 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Is anybody out there???? Message-ID: <00c201c1dae4$26753a20$aafde1cf@evegirard> I'm just sending out some ripples across the Koni pond with the hope that someone will notice! Are we so happy that we have no time to talk? Other lists babble away about anything, yet we choose the clam route! Couldn't we do some talking about Koni technical subjects, Koni collecting, Koni repairs and modifications and general selling and horse-trading? I may be female, but I have used KO's for more years than I care to admit. I do my own film processing and printing. I have no qualms about opening a sticky shutter and doing a quick cla. Guys, what do you do? . . . or are KO men the strong, silent type? C'mon, let's make this list something great!!! Throwing down the glove in Washington State, Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Apr 3 09:03:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:03:19 +0100 Subject: [KOML] 58mm and 180mm Performance Message-ID: At 2:55 AM -0800 27/3/02, Paul R. wrote: snip > >Meanwhile, I can report that the 135, in my opinion, >lives up to its reputation. Mine is noticeably >sharper than the 3 90mm examples I have (including the >Omegaflex 90), and all of those looked pretty good, >too -- until compared to the 135's slides. > >By contrast, I was very disappointed with my results >with the RF 58 and 180. I wonder whether operator >error may have contributed (I'm new to RF focusing), >or perhaps my RF bodies need adjusting. Unfortunately >I haven't had time to work out a clear diagnosis. > >All my Koni shooting to date has been on Provia 100F, >and both color and contrast through the Koni lenses >seem quite good -- though perhaps not quite up to the >35mm Hexanons? > snip I'm surprised that there is such a noticeable difference between your 135mm and the 90mm. As for the 58mm and the 180mm - although not perhaps up to the performance of the 135mm, I have found mine to be very good lenses indeed. I have a 4ft x 3ft enlargement from an Ilford Delta 400 negative shot with the 180mm that is one of the most impressive 6x7 prints that I have ever made in terms of resolution and contrast. I also have trannies from the 58mm that are very sharp. Sounds as though you may have a rangefinder problem as you suggest. Am assuming that you were using a tripod and a cable release etc etc. The 35mm Hexanons are superb lenses - for a medium format camera I think that the Omega lenses are hard to beat. In terms of comparisons, in a blind test using trannies, the K-O lenses have been compared with Hassleblad lenses and beaten them! Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Apr 3 09:45:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:45:14 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex Message-ID: At 2:55 AM -0800 27/3/02, Paul R. wrote: snip > >I have to confess a special fondness, at this early >stage, for the ungainly Omegaflex. It's certainly >more of a studio creature, but it seems very >functional in that environment, while sporting an >endearing cosmetic quirkiness. Sure, the RFs can turn >some heads on the street. But the 'flex will draw a >crowd. > >I'll be sure to report when I've finally done some >more shooting, and worked out my RF 58/180 issues. >Meanwhile, I'll continue to enjoy your more >substantive posts! snip The Omegaflex is a beast that has tempted me on more than one occasion. Almost a triumph of design over useful application. Maybe what is needed is a practical demonstration of the camera in use to really appreciate its finer points. Perhaps I can hook up with someone in the US who has an Omegaflex outfit on my next trip to the States. There is an Omegaflex 135mm lens sitting here waiting for the right camera to turn up :-) Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Apr 3 17:46:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:46:23 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Is anybody out there???? Message-ID: It seems the women here are not the "strong and silent type". tee hee Hey, just letting you know that I'm here! It's just lately I haven't had any technical questions. I've been taking pictures. I'd love to just chat and share my experiences and even show some pictures that I've taken with the Koni, but this mailing list seems to be more on the technical side and I just haven't had any of those types of questions in awhile. Although, I did just get an Epson 2450 scanner and I have to say that it's pretty awesome. Not only can I scan in 35 film, but I can also scan 6x7 Koni sized film and even 4"x5". I scanned in a negative and had just printed a large A4 (big) sized print on the Epson 1270. It's just gorgeous! I didn't take that picture with the Koni though. I used the Bronica instead since it was a bridal portrait. I have a 200 with a 90mm and a 58mm, an auto-up, and assorted backs. I used to be heavily into the Konis a couple years ago. At one time I had three of 'em, all four lenses and a couple 90s, and 13 various backs. I've also got a really nice comfy neck strap, but still carry it like a purse. I've only refelted the backs. Anything else, I'll leave to Greg Weber. Barbara (Houston, Texas) -----Original Message----- From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:50 AM To: KOML@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Is anybody out there???? I'm just sending out some ripples across the Koni pond with the hope that someone will notice! Are we so happy that we have no time to talk? Other lists babble away about anything, yet we choose the clam route! Couldn't we do some talking about Koni technical subjects, Koni collecting, Koni repairs and modifications and general selling and horse-trading? I may be female, but I have used KO's for more years than I care to admit. I do my own film processing and printing. I have no qualms about opening a sticky shutter and doing a quick cla. Guys, what do you do? . . . or are KO men the strong, silent type? C'mon, let's make this list something great!!! Throwing down the glove in Washington State, Eve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Apr 3 18:08:59 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (p. renner) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:08:59 -0500 Subject: [KOML] greg weber References: Message-ID: <3CAB453B.9000107@bellatlantic.net> does anyone have an idea of what the cost would be to get a koni wide angle lens serviced [ routine ] . From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Apr 3 19:09:16 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:09:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [KOML] 58mm and 180mm Performance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020403190916.5029.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Clive, I certainly didn't mean to put down the KO lenses as a whole! My results with the 58 and 180 were SO bad that I am certain there is something anomalous going on -- body/rangefinder problems, lens damage, and/or operator error. Markedly blurry slides. And yes, I have been using a tripod and cable release. As for the 90s vs. the 135, the difference wasn't big, just noticeable -- the slides from the 90s looked very good, but those from the 135 really "popped". Again, I'm working from a small sample (only a few rolls of film), so my opinion may change. Another factor may be that as a newbie to rangefinder use, I simply found it easier to focus accurately with the Omegaflex. My only 135 is on the Omegaflex. However, I still noticed a slight difference between the Omegaflex 90 and the 135. I'm glad to hear you've had good results with your 58 and 180. I look forward to ironing out my problems and using those lenses! Regards, -Paul > > I'm surprised that there is such a noticeable > difference between your > 135mm and the 90mm. > > As for the 58mm and the 180mm - although not perhaps > up to the > performance of the 135mm, I have found mine to be > very good lenses > indeed. I have a 4ft x 3ft enlargement from an > Ilford Delta 400 > negative shot with the 180mm that is one of the most > impressive 6x7 > prints that I have ever made in terms of resolution > and contrast. > > I also have trannies from the 58mm that are very > sharp. Sounds as > though you may have a rangefinder problem as you > suggest. Am assuming > that you were using a tripod and a cable release etc > etc. > > The 35mm Hexanons are superb lenses - for a medium > format camera I > think that the Omega lenses are hard to beat. In > terms of > comparisons, in a blind test using trannies, the K-O > lenses have been > compared with Hassleblad lenses and beaten them! > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Apr 3 19:23:15 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:23:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020403192315.6730.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Clive, If your next trip brings you to Southern California (or perhaps Arizona or Utah), I'd be more than happy to introduce you to my Omegaflex! I'm sure the rangefinders have a substantial advantage over the Omegaflex in speed and portability. But I adore the large focusing screen on the 'flex. And since you already have a 135mm lens for it -- you almost can't afford NOT to spring for a body (with 90mm lens and 120 back, about $250-300 on eBay)! But perhaps my TLR and I can best convince you of that in person. I have most of the accessories, including close-up spacers, original ground glass, and chimney and reflex finders. California landscapes? Studio? Choose your poison. -Paul --- Clive Warren wrote: > > The Omegaflex is a beast that has tempted me on more > than one > occasion. Almost a triumph of design over useful > application. Maybe > what is needed is a practical demonstration of the > camera in use to > really appreciate its finer points. Perhaps I can > hook up with > someone in the US who has an Omegaflex outfit on my > next trip to the > States. > > There is an Omegaflex 135mm lens sitting here > waiting for the right > camera to turn up :-) > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 4 01:14:28 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jim Thomas / Debbie Thomas) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 20:14:28 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Is anybody out there???? References: <00c201c1dae4$26753a20$aafde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <3CABA8F4.6CF1D6D9@erols.com> Eve Girard wrote: > > I'm just sending out some ripples across the Koni pond with the hope that > someone will notice! Are we so happy that we have no time to talk? Other > lists babble away about anything, yet we choose the clam route! Couldn't we > do some talking about Koni technical subjects, Koni collecting, Koni repairs > and modifications and general selling and horse-trading? > I may be female, but I have used KO's for more years than I care to admit. > I do my own film > processing and printing. I have no qualms about opening a sticky shutter > and doing a quick cla. > Guys, what do you do? . . . or are KO men the strong, silent type? > C'mon, let's make this list something great!!! > Throwing down the glove in Washington State, > Eve Hi there-- I have two Rapid Omega 100s, both with 90mm Hexanons. How this happened is that I got my first one in trade- a real beater, but it sort of works. The shutter sometimes needs to be cocked manually when you have the lens extended out. Never quite figured out what was wrong with the body, but liked the photos. So I bought another 100 body on eBay. Practically new condition, although the focusing is a little stiff. Works great though and I got another 90mm Hexanon, a much cleaner one, again, practically new. So I now shoot with the "new" gear, and a newer 120 back I got for next to nothing. So the reason I haven't tried any of the other lenses, is they are a little more expensive that I would like. Yes, I know that compared to other MF wide and tele lenses, they aren't that bad, but I'm exploring the Koni-Omega world on the cheap. Someday I'll find one of those lenses at a flea market or yard sale and I'll be a happy guy. My first 90mm Hexanon had some specks inside the lens, and I DID manage to remove the rear element with a lens spanner and clean them out. That lens still sticks at 1/2 sec and 1 sec, so maybe I'll fix it or get it fixed someday. Greg Weber's pricing scared me off so far. Eve, any tips on doing a quick CLA, the way you did? I do enjoy this list, although I seldom post anything here. This is such an oddball camera (something I like) that there aren't all that many of us out there, I guess. By the way, I shoot Fujichrome Provia slide film and I love the big positives (in a world of many negatives)... Jim Thomas Rockville, Maryland From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 4 01:30:40 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 20:30:40 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Is anybody out there???? In-Reply-To: <3CABA8F4.6CF1D6D9@erols.com> References: <00c201c1dae4$26753a20$aafde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020403202848.01f03ec0@pop.mindspring.com> At 08:14 PM 4/3/2002, you wrote: >I do enjoy this list, although I seldom post anything here. This is >such an oddball camera (something I like) that there aren't all that >many of us out there, I guess. The unusual (by 2002 standards) appearance of the Koni does get me some unwanted attention at times - typically I'm asked if it's a digital video cam. It's certainly not subtle to use :) -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html The Sixties ain't over till the Fat Lady gets high. - J. Garcia From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 4 01:46:30 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 02:46:30 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex In-Reply-To: <20020403192315.6730.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020403192315.6730.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 11:23 am -0800 3/4/02, Paul R. wrote: >Clive, > >If your next trip brings you to Southern California >(or perhaps Arizona or Utah), I'd be more than happy >to introduce you to my Omegaflex! > >I'm sure the rangefinders have a substantial advantage >over the Omegaflex in speed and portability. But I >adore the large focusing screen on the 'flex. And >since you already have a 135mm lens for it -- you >almost can't afford NOT to spring for a body (with >90mm lens and 120 back, about $250-300 on eBay)! But >perhaps my TLR and I can best convince you of that in >person. I have most of the accessories, including >close-up spacers, original ground glass, and chimney >and reflex finders. California landscapes? Studio? >Choose your poison. > >-Paul > Paul, Thanks for the kind invitation. Well I do tend to end up in Utah and Arizona when I visit - and there is a friend in San Fran who I really should look up.... If all goes according to plan I should be in Oregon in the Fall running a Large Format Workshop. Plans are still tentative. The temptation to pick up an Omegaflex is strong! Will keep my eyes open and if one pops up at the right price I may well go for it. Would be good to have some photos of your Omegaflex kit - could go on the web site when I finally get around to putting it up! Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 4 10:25:50 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:25:50 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Photo Ethics Guidelines In-Reply-To: <3CA9CDF8.10572.374F80@localhost> References: <3CA9CDF8.10572.374F80@localhost> Message-ID: At 3:27 PM -0500 2/4/02, Tom Trottier wrote: > > >Those who publish photos may be interested in commenting on (or >using) these photo ethics guidelines. > >http://www.digitalcustom.com/howto/mediaguidelines.htm. > Thanks for the URL Tom. It remains to be seen how many people will comply to the guidelines. As a principle it is of course excellent, however how could anyone possibly check up on the huge number of photos published worldwide? I guess it could be useful to make a statement to publishers that you have complied with the ethics guidelines in your work..... Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 4 10:38:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:38:42 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Is anybody out there???? In-Reply-To: <00c201c1dae4$26753a20$aafde1cf@evegirard> References: <00c201c1dae4$26753a20$aafde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: At 11:49 PM -0800 2/4/02, Eve Girard wrote: > >I'm just sending out some ripples across the Koni pond with the hope that >someone will notice! Are we so happy that we have no time to talk? Other >lists babble away about anything, yet we choose the clam route! Couldn't we >do some talking about Koni technical subjects, Koni collecting, Koni repairs >and modifications and general selling and horse-trading? >I may be female, but I have used KO's for more years than I care to admit. >I do my own film >processing and printing. I have no qualms about opening a sticky shutter >and doing a quick cla. >Guys, what do you do? . . . or are KO men the strong, silent type? >C'mon, let's make this list something great!!! >Throwing down the glove in Washington State, >Eve Nice one Eve :-) I always seem to have too many projects and too little time..... Have become very good at prioritising over the years - if it involves photography then it is high priority :-) I have also been using Konis for many years and like you am happy to dive into a shutter to give it a fettling if required. I probably have far too much KO kit knocking around, but I intend to be using it until they stop making film.... There are very few cameras out there that are as robust and have such good optics and film flatness as the KO and RO range. Do you have any of your work up on the web? What sort of processor do you use? Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 4 11:03:00 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 03:03:00 -0800 Subject: [KOML] Is anybody out there???? References: <00c201c1dae4$26753a20$aafde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <011701c1dbc8$499c3280$99fde1cf@evegirard> Being a "throw-back" of sorts, I don't use a processor other than myself and my ten thumbs. I enjoy the solace of the darkroom and the resultant intimacy with the medium. Though I sometimes think "if it was good enough for Weston . . ." I do enjoy the conveniences of a 23C, D2, and an Elwood 8x10 enlarger trio. Aristo cold lights mount them. I do 99% of my work in B&W using Ilford as my film of choice. To date, I haven't put a thing on the web - that falls into the dategory of "when I have enough time" I use my Konis nowadays for what I used to use my Nikons (which are long-gone) - action, sports and general what have you. They do gather the comments, but not as many as my Minolta spotmeter does. Everyone thinks it's a miniature video cam! I also use Rollei, Sinar and Linhof. When I was much younger, I followed the Formula One circuit in Europe laden with gear. These days, I deeply enjoy relaxed contemplative photography. Voluntary simplicity. No more motor drives for this girl! I have the perfect photo equipment - the kind they can bury with me. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Warren" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Is anybody out there???? > At 11:49 PM -0800 2/4/02, Eve Girard wrote: > > > >I'm just sending out some ripples across the Koni pond with the hope that > >someone will notice! Are we so happy that we have no time to talk? Other > >lists babble away about anything, yet we choose the clam route! Couldn't we > >do some talking about Koni technical subjects, Koni collecting, Koni repairs > >and modifications and general selling and horse-trading? > >I may be female, but I have used KO's for more years than I care to admit. > >I do my own film > >processing and printing. I have no qualms about opening a sticky shutter > >and doing a quick cla. > >Guys, what do you do? . . . or are KO men the strong, silent type? > >C'mon, let's make this list something great!!! > >Throwing down the glove in Washington State, > >Eve > > Nice one Eve :-) > > I always seem to have too many projects and too little time..... Have > become very good at prioritising over the years - if it involves > photography then it is high priority :-) > > I have also been using Konis for many years and like you am happy to > dive into a shutter to give it a fettling if required. I probably > have far too much KO kit knocking around, but I intend to be using it > until they stop making film.... There are very few cameras out there > that are as robust and have such good optics and film flatness as the > KO and RO range. > > Do you have any of your work up on the web? > > What sort of processor do you use? > > Cheers, > Clive > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 5 01:16:51 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:16:51 EST Subject: [KOML] KONI M FOR SALE Message-ID: <4f.1b56f023.29de5503@aol.com> FOR SALE : Koni M camera, 58mm w/viewer, 90mm, 180mm, auto up #1, auto up #2 needs jam nut, 120 back, extra 120 back with some brassing, strap, shutter release, pola & uv filters for all lens, vivitar 285hv flash, koni flash bracket. This outfit was recently purchased from greg weber. It has been completely refurbished and is in excellent condition unless otherwise noted. Price is $1,200 plus shipping. Also available is a koni rapid M with 90mm. and 120 back. This is also in excellent condition and was refurbished by greg weber. Other extras may go with this one also? Price is $450.00 plus shipping As i look, i find other stuff. A koni flash bracket with articulated arm $50. A super koni ground glass $100. interested? e-mail GENDERWARS3@AOL.COM From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Apr 9 02:53:05 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:53:05 EDT Subject: [KOML] a test Message-ID: <156.bf27e15.29e3a381@aol.com> just a test From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Apr 9 18:54:51 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:54:51 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Is anybody out there???? In-Reply-To: <011701c1dbc8$499c3280$99fde1cf@evegirard> References: <00c201c1dae4$26753a20$aafde1cf@evegirard> <011701c1dbc8$499c3280$99fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: At 3:03 AM -0800 4/4/02, Eve Girard wrote: > >Being a "throw-back" of sorts, I don't use a processor other than myself and >my ten thumbs. >I enjoy the solace of the darkroom and the resultant intimacy with the >medium. Though I sometimes think "if it was good enough for Weston . . ." I >do enjoy the conveniences of a 23C, D2, and an Elwood 8x10 enlarger trio. >Aristo cold lights mount them. I do 99% of my work in B&W using Ilford as >my film of choice. > To date, I haven't put a thing on the web - that falls into the dategory >of "when I have enough time" > I use my Konis nowadays for what I used to use my Nikons (which are >long-gone) - action, sports and general what have you. They do gather the >comments, but not as many as my Minolta spotmeter does. Everyone thinks >it's a miniature video cam! I also use Rollei, Sinar and Linhof. >When I was much younger, I followed the Formula One circuit in Europe laden >with gear. These days, I deeply enjoy relaxed contemplative photography. >Voluntary simplicity. No more motor drives for this girl! I have the >perfect photo equipment - the kind they can bury with me. >Eve > So you have a serious habit with the darkroom Eve - 8x10 enlargers are not tidy devices, although very useful if you shoot a lot of 8x10. I am currently wrestling with the notion of buying an 8x10 enlarger for the darkroom. It would simply require a bit of a clearout :-) The KOs are great point and shoot cameras - mine took exception to being placed on a tripod again at the weekend and tried to jump off and bite me. It missed and bit the rather nice shutter release cable instead. Sounds as though you have a great set up with all your kit - there would probably not be enough room for you if they tried to bury you with it.... Somewhere in the house are loads of photos of old British motorcycles - I can understand the fascination for speed and have never got over it myself. I have carried my KOs on 'cycles on a number of occasions - they thrive on it. Cheers, Clive PS It's gone quiet again - must be all strong silent types then ;-) PPS - Give me a shout off the list about large format From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Apr 10 22:05:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:05:37 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Any loud women out there? Message-ID: <007301c1e0d3$775eb020$28fde1cf@evegirard> "PS It's gone quiet again - must be all strong silent types then" sez Clive Well, if the men are too quiet, then I'll add my dulcet tones to the vacuum. I live in the great Pacific Northwest and, if you can believe it, it has been raining! I have taken the time to replace the light seals on my pair of Rapids. Great way to spend a damp evening. We are blessed with very long evenings up here and the light is to die for once May and June come 'round. I was wondering if the "gentler sex" on this list have run into any sort of threatening situations while out with Koni? I have had only one bad incident in 30+ years of photography. A couple of years back I had a run-in with a homeless gent on the Olympic Peninsula. I did persuade him that the ballhead on my monopod and his head would not be a good match. He departed forthwith. Ooops, there's some blue sky outside - think I'll go test those seals . . . Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 11 00:19:03 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:19:03 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Any loud women out there? Message-ID: No problems yet. I just get honked at if I'm in town. And there was the time that I almost got shot...but that was with the YashicaMat 124G. (chuckle) The fellow that owned the land thought I was an IRS agent. hee hee Luckily it ended well. He got some good b&w prints and I got some fresh pears. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:06 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Any loud women out there? I was wondering if the "gentler sex" on this list have run into any sort of threatening situations while out with Koni? . Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 11 05:24:53 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:24:53 EDT Subject: [KOML] silent list Message-ID: <19b.7f2a7e.29e66a15@aol.com> hello, there is a problem sending or receiving e-mail posted to this list? From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 11 07:28:58 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:28:58 EDT Subject: [KOML] is anyone receiving this message Message-ID: just testing to see if i get this note. does this also post to the snoopy address? From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 11 07:33:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:33:55 -0700 Subject: [KOML] is anyone receiving this message References: Message-ID: <006e01c1e122$daf1c560$effde1cf@evegirard> loud and clear in Washinton State! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: [KOML] is anyone receiving this message > just testing to see if i get this note. does this also post to the snoopy > address? > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 11 07:41:38 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:41:38 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Any loud women out there? References: Message-ID: <009001c1e123$ef394f60$effde1cf@evegirard> come to think of it, I have had water balloons come my way when I've been under an LF darkcloth . . . Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [KOML] Any loud women out there? > No problems yet. I just get honked at if I'm in town. > > And there was the time that I almost got shot...but that was with the > YashicaMat 124G. (chuckle) > The fellow that owned the land thought I was an IRS agent. hee hee > Luckily it ended well. He got some good b&w prints and I got some fresh > pears. > > Barbara > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:06 PM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: [KOML] Any loud women out there? > > > > I was wondering if the "gentler sex" on this list have run > into any sort > of threatening situations while out with Koni? > . > Eve > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 11 07:46:20 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Any loud women out there? In-Reply-To: <007301c1e0d3$775eb020$28fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020411064620.58292.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Eve, Greetings from SoCal. Where are you in Washington? I was born and grew up in the Seattle area. I fantasize about revisiting all the great places in the Cascades where I hiked and camped growing up, but this time with a Koni (and lots of nice big 120 Velvia) in hand! Care to post any Washington shots for this homesick, web-footed Angeleno? :-) -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > "PS It's gone quiet again - must be all strong > silent types then" sez Clive > > Well, if the men are too quiet, then I'll add my > dulcet tones to the > vacuum. > I live in the great Pacific Northwest and, if you > can believe it, it has > been raining! I have taken the time to replace the > light seals on my pair > of Rapids. Great way to spend a damp evening. > We are blessed with very long evenings up here and > the light is to die for > once May and June come 'round. > I was wondering if the "gentler sex" on this list > have run into any sort > of threatening situations while out with Koni? I > have had only one bad > incident in 30+ years of photography. A couple of > years back I had a run-in > with a homeless gent > on the Olympic Peninsula. I did persuade him that > the ballhead on my > monopod and his head would not be a good match. He > departed forthwith. > Ooops, there's some blue sky outside - think I'll > go test those seals . . > . > Eve > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 11 07:57:51 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:57:51 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Any loud women out there? References: <20020411064620.58292.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a201c1e126$33707760$effde1cf@evegirard> Paul, This is coming to you on a cool Spring night from Olympia, WA. I can understand your longing for some home shots. I am in the throes of getting someone to get me ready to post some. She's out of town but I will get something put up eventually. Remember, I'm the throw-back and doing the digital dirty is hard for me. . . (lol) Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Any loud women out there? > Hi Eve, > > Greetings from SoCal. Where are you in Washington? I > was born and grew up in the Seattle area. I fantasize > about revisiting all the great places in the Cascades > where I hiked and camped growing up, but this time > with a Koni (and lots of nice big 120 Velvia) in hand! > > Care to post any Washington shots for this homesick, > web-footed Angeleno? :-) > > -Paul > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > "PS It's gone quiet again - must be all strong > > silent types then" sez Clive > > > > Well, if the men are too quiet, then I'll add my > > dulcet tones to the > > vacuum. > > I live in the great Pacific Northwest and, if you > > can believe it, it has > > been raining! I have taken the time to replace the > > light seals on my pair > > of Rapids. Great way to spend a damp evening. > > We are blessed with very long evenings up here and > > the light is to die for > > once May and June come 'round. > > I was wondering if the "gentler sex" on this list > > have run into any sort > > of threatening situations while out with Koni? I > > have had only one bad > > incident in 30+ years of photography. A couple of > > years back I had a run-in > > with a homeless gent > > on the Olympic Peninsula. I did persuade him that > > the ballhead on my > > monopod and his head would not be a good match. He > > departed forthwith. > > Ooops, there's some blue sky outside - think I'll > > go test those seals . . > > . > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 11 08:47:38 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:47:38 +0100 Subject: [KOML] silent list In-Reply-To: <19b.7f2a7e.29e66a15@aol.com> References: <19b.7f2a7e.29e66a15@aol.com> Message-ID: At 12:24 am -0400 11/4/02, GENDERWARS3@aol.com wrote: >hello, > there is a problem sending or receiving e-mail posted to this list? All is working perfectly :-) Check out the archives linked from http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 11 10:16:15 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:16:15 +0100 Subject: [KOML] KOML and snoopy Message-ID: At 2:28 AM -0400 11/4/02, GENDERWARS3@aol.com wrote: > >just testing to see if i get this note. does this also post to the snoopy >address? No this list is nothing to do with the snoopy list. I used to post regularly to the snoopy list and also hosted and archived all the postings which was a bit of an overhead but people seemed to find it useful. If you have a look through the archives of the old snoopy list at http://www.koni-omega.org/KOWS/KO_Archive/KOarch.htm then you will find a discussion on this very topic! The archive is searchable as well as browseable so it shouldn't be too hard to find. The overview is that I started this list as part of the Koni-Omega web site and suggested to Jim at snoopy that we should have a more sophisticated list solution. One where I did not have to manually archive all of the posts. Jim's view was that he was happy to consider transferring the old list to the new server when the "web site matured". Well the list server was bought and paid for at this time, so it was simply linked from the web site with bold statements saying that it was for testing purposes only. Just to show you either how persistent people are, or perhaps that there is a general tendency to ignore instructions, the list started to be used and people subscribed despite the testing notices! There had been very little traffic on the old list for a while anyway, so I simply removed the "test purposes only" notice and let people get on with it :-) The site is still waiting to mature and I have received no postings from the old snoopy list for some time now. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 11 21:54:24 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Gabriel Regalbuto) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:54:24 -0700 Subject: [KOML] strange light leak Message-ID: <002701c1e19b$1036eca0$e5fc3618@crlsca.adelphia.net> I have an odd light leak that I am only getting with my 220 back. I get the leak regardless of which insert I use and on most exposures. It is just two short, slightly soft dashes, perfectly centered about 1mm from the top of the frame. Anyone else have this problem? Thanks, Gabriel Regalbuto From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Apr 17 23:59:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:59:13 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re:Ansel Adams Message-ID: <3CBDFE41.48897761@earthlink.net> Hi everyone, FYI on April 21 PBS will air a 90-minute documentary on Ansel Adams, honoring the centennial of Adams`s birth. Robert From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 18 16:08:27 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:08:27 +0100 Subject: [KOML] strange light leak In-Reply-To: <002701c1e19b$1036eca0$e5fc3618@crlsca.adelphia.net> References: <002701c1e19b$1036eca0$e5fc3618@crlsca.adelphia.net> Message-ID: At 1:54 PM -0700 11/4/02, Gabriel Regalbuto wrote: >I have an odd light leak that I am only getting with my 220 back. I get the >leak regardless of which insert I use and on most exposures. It is just two >short, slightly soft dashes, perfectly centered about 1mm from the top of >the frame. Anyone else have this problem? > >Thanks, > >Gabriel Regalbuto Gabriel, If the light leak is happening with only the one back then it must be the light seals on that back or the darkslide seals. I would guess that the darkslide seals need replacing - a small leak here may well result in an eliptical mark on the film. This is not a big job and even if you use a repair shop the cost should be minimal. Hope this helps, Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Apr 18 21:30:27 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:30:27 -0400 Subject: [KOML] strange light leak References: <002701c1e19b$1036eca0$e5fc3618@crlsca.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3CBF2CE3.ED3AC974@earthlink.net> A quick and easy way of checking the dark slide seals is to stretch a wide rubber band around the opening (black electrical tape would also work).If the problem goes away, then the seals are the culprit. Regards, Robert Clive Warren wrote: > At 1:54 PM -0700 11/4/02, Gabriel Regalbuto wrote: > >I have an odd light leak that I am only getting with my 220 back. I get the > >leak regardless of which insert I use and on most exposures. It is just two > >short, slightly soft dashes, perfectly centered about 1mm from the top of > >the frame. Anyone else have this problem? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Gabriel Regalbuto > > Gabriel, > > If the light leak is happening with only the one back then it must be > the light seals on that back or the darkslide seals. I would guess > that the darkslide seals need replacing - a small leak here may well > result in an eliptical mark on the film. This is not a big job and > even if you use a repair shop the cost should be minimal. > > Hope this helps, > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 19 08:34:20 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (stephen yates) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:34:20 -0500 Subject: [KOML] (no subject) Message-ID: Thanks for the info. Just went to the exhibit at the AI in Chicago. definitely worth checking out. Stephen _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 19 10:22:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:22:37 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Re:Ansel Adams In-Reply-To: <3CBDFE41.48897761@earthlink.net> References: <3CBDFE41.48897761@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 6:59 PM -0400 17/4/02, Nancy Brown wrote: > >Hi everyone, >FYI on April 21 PBS will air a 90-minute documentary on Ansel Adams, >honoring the centennial of Adams`s birth. >Robert Robert, Have no idea what PBS is - we now have slightly more than 4 channels here in the UK, but I guess PBS is US-based. Still, we have the Home Service on the wireless so there are some advantages to this green and pleasant land - which is rather photogenic this morning with blue skies, puffy white clouds following an almost mackerel sky first thing and greenery sprouting everywhere...... Perhaps you can give us a brief review of the high points after you've watched the documentary. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Apr 19 23:59:20 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:59:20 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re:Ansel Adams References: <3CBDFE41.48897761@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CC0A148.6A9F82A8@earthlink.net> Hello Clive, My apologies to you and other group members outside the U.S.- in this age of instant communication and 200-channel satellite TV systems, it`s easy to forget that there are still geographical limitations on TV and radio reception.PBS, the Public Broadcasting System,airs predominantly educational programs, arts and entertainment from foriegn countries, and a few do-it-yourself home-repair and cooking shows.It has been carrying BBC programs for the past 30 years,and has gotten me hooked on Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, Chef, Red Dwarf, and many more. I just assumed there was some reciprocity by the BBC to show some of our documentaries in the U.K.I would be happy to videotape the program and mail it to you, it would be in the North American VHS format. I`m not sure about compatability if you have a different format, such as PAL.I will, however, make an attempt at reviewing this program after viewing it. Regards, Robert Clive Warren wrote: > At 6:59 PM -0400 17/4/02, Nancy Brown wrote: > > > >Hi everyone, > >FYI on April 21 PBS will air a 90-minute documentary on Ansel Adams, > >honoring the centennial of Adams`s birth. > >Robert > > Robert, > > Have no idea what PBS is - we now have slightly more than 4 channels > here in the UK, but I guess PBS is US-based. Still, we have the Home > Service on the wireless so there are some advantages to this green > and pleasant land - which is rather photogenic this morning with blue > skies, puffy white clouds following an almost mackerel sky first > thing and greenery sprouting everywhere...... > > Perhaps you can give us a brief review of the high points after > you've watched the documentary. > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Apr 20 22:24:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:24:37 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Ansel Adams on TV Sunday 9pm PBS Channel 16 Message-ID: <3CC1A455.13365.12BED2F@localhost> http://www.msnbc.com/news/740459.asp Ansel Adams comes into focus in new TV film As much a conservationist as a photographer, Adams was key influence on national parks By Laura Fries HOLLYWOOD (Variety), April 19 — Documentary filmmaker Ric Burns continues to refine his storytelling abilities while distinguishing his career from that of brother and fellow filmmaker Ken Burns. Although the unwavering attention to detail and unmistakable sense of style obviously runs in the family, “Ansel Adams: A Documentary Film” is as individual as the premier photographer it takes for its topic. Ansel Adams believed in the simple dignity of the glossy print, used in the documentary to great effect. BY INCORPORATING ADAMS’ brilliant black-and-white landscapes into the vibrant, natural context of its subject matter, Burns creates a visually mesmerizing retrospective of the man’s career. Instead of recounting f-stops and apertures, the film examines the inspirations and intentions of the artist who transcended the medium to become an American folk hero. (“Ansel Adams: A Film Documentary” airs Sunday, 9-10:30 p.m. on PBS. Check your local listings.) The Ansel Adams photograph, "Merced River, Against Sun," in Yosemite, California in 1950, is exhibited during the 100th birthday celebration exhibit of Adams' work in August 2001 at the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art. A recipient of the Medal of Freedom in 1980, the highest honor the country can bestow, Adams was as much a conservationist as a photographer. According to the documentary, Adams photographs were instrumental in persuading Congress and President Roosevelt to turn Kings Canyon into a national park in 1940. After his death in 1984, Congress preserved a stretch of land southeast of Yosemite as the Ansel Adams Wilderness. Adams believed in the simple dignity of the glossy print, used here to great effect. In addition to archival footage, home movies and rare on-camera interviews, Burns brings together biographers, friends and art critics to recount the different stages and stories behind many of Adams’ remarkable images. As one biographer points out, as Adams’ career and expertise advanced, the horizon became less prominent. It was as if his reverence for nature became as limitless as the sky. RIGOROUS PERFECTIONIST For an artist, Adams’ life was relatively free of controversy and demons, save for a nonsexual love affair with an assistant, a brief nervous breakdown and a penchant for parties. Otherwise, Burns covers the basics. Born a sickly child in Oakland, Calif., Adams’ unique spirit was nurtured and indulged by his father. Adams originally wanted to be a concert pianist, but a trip to Yosemite in 1916 set off his love affair with what he called “the great Earth gesture of the Sierra.” The documentary establishes that Adams was a perfectionist who transferred the rigorous training practices of a concert pianist to the calculated manipulation of a negative in a darkroom. He rarely took vacations and often worked through the night to get shadowing and contrast just right. Although Adams didn’t become financially successful until later in life, his work was well received from the beginning. During the Depression, however, Adams was criticized for not acknowledging the social issues of the day through his photographs. According to Burns, Adams believed his photos were representative of a larger theme. MASS- MARKETED WORK The documentary is a technical marvel, as studied and refined as Adams’ images. In the mid to late 1950s, Adams’ drive began to fade and he turned more to education and conservation. In the 1970s, he joined forces with business partner William A. Turnage and began mass-marketing his work. With Turnage, trustee of the Ansel Adams Publishing Rights Trust, featured so prominently throughout the documentary, it almost seems remiss that Burns doesn’t explore the effect of this commercialization on the photographer’s legacy. Similarly, early on, Burns describes Adams’ wife, Virginia, as his rock — the steady, guiding force who provided Adams with the freedom to pursue his art — and then never mentions her again. That said, the documentary is a technical marvel, as studied and refined as Adams’ images. Readings by Josh Hamilton, Barbara Feldon and Eli Wallach are understated but effective, as is narration by David Ogden Stiers. Brian Keane’s score is appropriately inspirational but perhaps just a notch too loud. --------------- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Olympus-Documentation tOM Trottier, ICQ:57647974 http://abacurial.com 758 Albert St, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 N45.412 W75.714 "The moment one gives close attention to anything, even a blade of grass, it becomes a mysterious, awesome, indescribably magnificent world in itself -- Henry Miller, 1891-1980 From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Apr 21 00:29:59 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:29:59 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Re:Ansel Adams In-Reply-To: <3CC0A148.6A9F82A8@earthlink.net> References: <3CBDFE41.48897761@earthlink.net> <3CC0A148.6A9F82A8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 6:59 pm -0400 19/4/02, Nancy Brown wrote: >Hello Clive, >My apologies to you and other group members outside the U.S.- in this age >of instant communication and 200-channel satellite TV systems, it`s easy >to forget that there are still geographical limitations on TV and radio >reception.PBS, the Public Broadcasting System,airs predominantly >educational programs, arts and entertainment from foriegn countries, and >a few do-it-yourself home-repair and cooking shows.It has been carrying >BBC programs for the past 30 years,and has gotten me hooked on Monty >Python, Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, Chef, Red Dwarf, and many more. I just >assumed there was some reciprocity by the BBC to show some of our >documentaries in the U.K.I would be happy to videotape the program and >mail it to you, it would be in the North American VHS format. I`m not >sure about compatability if you have a different format, such as PAL.I >will, however, make an attempt at reviewing this program after viewing >it. >Regards, >Robert Robert, That is a fiendishly cunning plan ;-) Glad to hear that Edmund Slackbladder has made it to the US. We do indeed have quite a few US shows shown on British TV - many more since the budgets have been cut for homemade shows..... I would be delighted to pay you for the tape and postage charges with the very reliable US Postal Service, so yes, please tape it for me, thank you very much. Will send you contact details off the list. The video machine here does US and UK video formats so compatibility is fine. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Apr 21 00:32:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:32:36 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Ansel Adams on TV Sunday 9pm PBS Channel 16 In-Reply-To: <3CC1A455.13365.12BED2F@localhost> References: <3CC1A455.13365.12BED2F@localhost> Message-ID: At 5:24 pm -0400 20/4/02, Tom Trottier wrote: >http://www.msnbc.com/news/740459.asp > >Ansel Adams comes into focus in new TV film > >As much a conservationist as a photographer, Adams was key influence >on national parks > >By Laura Fries huge snip Tom, Thank you for the review and the link - excellent! I haven't visted Yosemite yet, however have a long standing invitation and plan to visit - as long as I can avoid others' tripod holes...... Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Apr 21 03:45:03 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 22:45:03 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Ansel Adams on TV Sunday 9pm PBS Channel 16 References: <3CC1A455.13365.12BED2F@localhost> Message-ID: <3CC227AF.302D8235@earthlink.net> And since Ms. Fries` review is way more eloquent than my own would have been, I humbly rescind my previous offer of a review.(The tape is in the mail, Clive)Grins.... Robert Clive Warren wrote: > At 5:24 pm -0400 20/4/02, Tom Trottier wrote: > >http://www.msnbc.com/news/740459.asp > > > >Ansel Adams comes into focus in new TV film > > > >As much a conservationist as a photographer, Adams was key influence > >on national parks > > > >By Laura Fries > huge snip > > Tom, > > Thank you for the review and the link - excellent! > > I haven't visted Yosemite yet, however have a long standing > invitation and plan to visit - as long as I can avoid others' tripod > holes...... > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 3 05:29:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:29:18 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? Message-ID: <020301c20ab7$3ab923e0$55fde1cf@evegirard> Why do I have the feeling that I am the only Koni user left on the planet? My goodness, I know I'm usually an odd duck, but puh-leeze! Why is is that the other lists are full of discussion about anything and everything and this list is nigh on to a waste-land? Has no one anything to say? Lordy, I'm single! How else am I gonna find a man!!!!! Seriously, I took a Rapid and 60mm out to our local wooden boat fair a couple of weekends ago. Wasn't until I got there that I discoved the film in the bag was XP2 left over from a recent gig. Not the Delta 400 of my preference, as I usually prefer to do my own processing in BW, but I soldiered on. I'm very pleased with the results. I waited til evening and took my shots as the sun fell behinds the Olympic mountains. Silky smooth golden light abounded. Did some lovely abstractions with riggings and the like. I didn't even get bugged by the camera curious. Are there any on this list? Hell, let's talk baseball, cricket, groups, group sex, anything, if we can't discuss cameras at least there should be some sort of discourse. Let us resolve not to go the way of the dodo bird! Let's keep this list going! And if you've forgotten about your Konis, let me make you an offer you can't refuse . . . Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 3 20:23:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jon Fjortoft) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:23:33 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? Message-ID: Hi Eve, I can't really talk much about a Koni because I haven't quite decided to = purchase one (yet?) From what I've gathered so far, the Koni Omega Rapid M = in the storewindow of my local camera store would be a good quality/reasona= bly priced medium format camera to acquire. Perhaps you could talk me into spending the $225 to get it. Jon >>> evegir@reachone.com 06/02/02 11:29PM >>> Why do I have the feeling that I am the only Koni user left on the planet? My goodness, I know I'm usually an odd duck, but puh-leeze! Why is is that = the other lists are full of discussion about anything and everything and this list is nigh on to a waste-land? Has no one anything to say? Lordy, I'm single! How else am I gonna find = a man!!!!! Seriously, I took a Rapid and 60mm out to our local wooden boat fair a couple of weekends ago. Wasn't until I got there that I discoved the film in the bag was XP2 left over from a recent gig. Not the Delta 400 of my preference, as I usually prefer to do my own processing in BW, but I soldiered on. I'm very = pleased with the results. I waited til evening and took my shots as the sun fell behinds the Olympic mountains. Silky smooth golden light abounded. Did some lovely abstractions with riggings and the like. I didn't even get bugged by the camera curious. Are there any on this list? Hell, let's = talk baseball, cricket, groups, group sex, anything, if we can't discuss cameras at least there should be some sort of discourse. Let us resolve not to go the way of the dodo bird! Let's keep this list going! And if you've forgotten about your Konis, let me make you an offer you can't refuse . . . Eve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org=20 http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 3 20:27:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:27:55 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? Message-ID: Hi all, I am new to the list, and a new owner of an old Koni-omega Rapid. I picked it up for $25(!) at a local used camera sale, with 90mm lens and one film magazine; had a note on it that said "shutter problem." Didn't really know what it was at the time, but I could tell it was a quality machine, so I bought it. Just needed a little bit of cleaning, it turns out. It now works great and I think it's just wonderful. Buy the Koni! Even at $225 you'll love it. --John -----Original Message----- From: Jon Fjortoft [mailto:Jon.Fjortoft@worldbook.com] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? Hi Eve, I can't really talk much about a Koni because I haven't quite decided to purchase one (yet?) From what I've gathered so far, the Koni Omega Rapid M in the storewindow of my local camera store would be a good quality/reasonably priced medium format camera to acquire. Perhaps you could talk me into spending the $225 to get it. Jon >>> evegir@reachone.com 06/02/02 11:29PM >>> Why do I have the feeling that I am the only Koni user left on the planet? My goodness, I know I'm usually an odd duck, but puh-leeze! Why is is that the other lists are full of discussion about anything and everything and this list is nigh on to a waste-land? Has no one anything to say? Lordy, I'm single! How else am I gonna find a man!!!!! Seriously, I took a Rapid and 60mm out to our local wooden boat fair a couple of weekends ago. Wasn't until I got there that I discoved the film in the bag was XP2 left over from a recent gig. Not the Delta 400 of my preference, as I usually prefer to do my own processing in BW, but I soldiered on. I'm very pleased with the results. I waited til evening and took my shots as the sun fell behinds the Olympic mountains. Silky smooth golden light abounded. Did some lovely abstractions with riggings and the like. I didn't even get bugged by the camera curious. Are there any on this list? Hell, let's talk baseball, cricket, groups, group sex, anything, if we can't discuss cameras at least there should be some sort of discourse. Let us resolve not to go the way of the dodo bird! Let's keep this list going! And if you've forgotten about your Konis, let me make you an offer you can't refuse . . . Eve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 3 22:51:04 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jonathan King) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:51:04 -0400 Subject: [KOML] 90mm filter ring removal question Message-ID: Ok, I just bought a RO200 last week(yeah!). I've read through= much of the archives at koni-omega.org and on R. Monaghan's web site. After= I put my first roll of film through it, I made my first modification -= removing the Series 6 filter ring, so I can attach 49mm accesories. Based on the archives, I got a trusty No. 10 1/2 stopper and= twisted. The whole front of the lens rotated, not just the adapter! Figuring= that any damage was done, I kept at it a bit and got the adapter loose. = Now, when I went to tighten the front elements, the DOF scale on the front= will not line up quite at the top of the lens anymore, probably between 10= & 11 o'clock. I'm pretty sure it was at 12 O'clock before, but it was= one of those things you don't notice until it looks different. So the question: What sort of problem is this? Is it get to a= real repair person, don't worry, or somewhere in between? I've done= small to moderate mechanical repairs on camera bodies, but I've stayed= away from lenses. Thanks for any ideas, Jon King From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 3 22:51:35 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:51:35 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3CFBACA7.6639.8FEED0E@localhost> It's a heavy beast, but sturdy & with excellent lenses. See http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/MF_testing.html Just the reason to move to Medium Format. Tom On Monday, June 03, 2002 at 14:27, Beaver, John wrote re "RE: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop?" saying: > Hi all, > > I am new to the list, and a new owner of an old Koni-omega Rapid. I picked > it up for $25(!) at a local used camera sale, with 90mm lens and one film > magazine; had a note on it that said "shutter problem." Didn't really know > what it was at the time, but I could tell it was a quality machine, so I > bought it. Just needed a little bit of cleaning, it turns out. It now > works great and I think it's just wonderful. Buy the Koni! Even at $225 > you'll love it. > > --John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Fjortoft [mailto:Jon.Fjortoft@worldbook.com] > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? > > > Hi Eve, > > I can't really talk much about a Koni because I haven't quite decided to > purchase one (yet?) From what I've gathered so far, the Koni Omega Rapid M > in the storewindow of my local camera store would be a good > quality/reasonably priced medium format camera to acquire. > Perhaps you could talk me into spending the $225 to get it. > > Jon > >>> evegir@reachone.com 06/02/02 11:29PM >>> > Why do I have the feeling that I am the only Koni user left on the planet? > My > goodness, I know I'm usually an odd duck, but puh-leeze! Why is is that the > other lists are full of discussion about anything and everything and this > list is nigh on > to a waste-land? > > Has no one anything to say? Lordy, I'm single! How else am I gonna find a > man!!!!! > > Seriously, I took a Rapid and 60mm out to our local wooden boat fair a > couple of weekends ago. > Wasn't until I got there that I discoved the film in the bag was XP2 left > over from a recent gig. Not the Delta 400 of my preference, as I usually > prefer to do my own processing in BW, but I soldiered on. I'm very pleased > with the results. I waited til evening and took my shots as the sun fell > behinds the Olympic mountains. Silky smooth golden light abounded. Did > some lovely abstractions with riggings and the like. I didn't even get > bugged by the camera curious. Are there any on this list? Hell, let's talk > baseball, cricket, > groups, group sex, anything, if we can't discuss cameras at least there > should be some sort of discourse. > > Let us resolve not to go the way of the dodo bird! > Let's keep this list going! And if you've forgotten about your Konis, let > me make you an offer you can't refuse . . . > > Eve > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 02:32:56 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:32:56 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? References: <3CFBACA7.6639.8FEED0E@localhost> Message-ID: <001401c20b67$c12ec500$7fb3fea9@watavue> MAYBE A TINY BIT LARGE..BUT NOT A BEAST..MAYBE YOUR BEAST WILL BITE YOU!!! SMILINJACK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Trottier" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? > It's a heavy beast, but sturdy & with excellent lenses. See > http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/MF_testing.html > > Just the reason to move to Medium Format. > > Tom > > On Monday, June 03, 2002 at 14:27, Beaver, John > wrote re "RE: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop?" saying: > > > Hi all, > > > > I am new to the list, and a new owner of an old Koni-omega Rapid. I picked > > it up for $25(!) at a local used camera sale, with 90mm lens and one film > > magazine; had a note on it that said "shutter problem." Didn't really know > > what it was at the time, but I could tell it was a quality machine, so I > > bought it. Just needed a little bit of cleaning, it turns out. It now > > works great and I think it's just wonderful. Buy the Koni! Even at $225 > > you'll love it. > > > > --John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Fjortoft [mailto:Jon.Fjortoft@worldbook.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM > > To: koml@koni-omega.org > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? > > > > > > Hi Eve, > > > > I can't really talk much about a Koni because I haven't quite decided to > > purchase one (yet?) From what I've gathered so far, the Koni Omega Rapid M > > in the storewindow of my local camera store would be a good > > quality/reasonably priced medium format camera to acquire. > > Perhaps you could talk me into spending the $225 to get it. > > > > Jon > > >>> evegir@reachone.com 06/02/02 11:29PM >>> > > Why do I have the feeling that I am the only Koni user left on the planet? > > My > > goodness, I know I'm usually an odd duck, but puh-leeze! Why is is that the > > other lists are full of discussion about anything and everything and this > > list is nigh on > > to a waste-land? > > > > Has no one anything to say? Lordy, I'm single! How else am I gonna find a > > man!!!!! > > > > Seriously, I took a Rapid and 60mm out to our local wooden boat fair a > > couple of weekends ago. > > Wasn't until I got there that I discoved the film in the bag was XP2 left > > over from a recent gig. Not the Delta 400 of my preference, as I usually > > prefer to do my own processing in BW, but I soldiered on. I'm very pleased > > with the results. I waited til evening and took my shots as the sun fell > > behinds the Olympic mountains. Silky smooth golden light abounded. Did > > some lovely abstractions with riggings and the like. I didn't even get > > bugged by the camera curious. Are there any on this list? Hell, let's talk > > baseball, cricket, > > groups, group sex, anything, if we can't discuss cameras at least there > > should be some sort of discourse. > > > > Let us resolve not to go the way of the dodo bird! > > Let's keep this list going! And if you've forgotten about your Konis, let > > me make you an offer you can't refuse . . . > > > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 00:06:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:06:44 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? References: Message-ID: <3CFBF683.EC089F2@earthlink.net> Hi all, I must agree with Eve, out of the four camera groups that I subscribe to, this one generates the least amount of action,and I`ve been a member long enough to know that there`s lots of interesting and talented people in the group...what gives ?? Out of my collection of 15 or 16 vintage (old!) cameras, my Rapids probably see the most use....the results just blow everything else away! Velvia is my drug of choice for these big boys( I shoot a lot of outdoorsy stuff).Recently, an aquaintaince of mine was bragging about his new Contax 645, how nothing else can touch Zeiss lenses, blah blah blah.I just happened to have a newly-developed roll of Velvia with me that I had shot on a neighbor`s gorgeous 35-acre property, with the flora and fauna in full bloom.I promptly whipped it out (the film, that is) and presented it to Joel along with my trusty 8x loupe.He held it up to the window and his jaw dropped visibly....after saying "WOW" about 14 times,he sheepishly turned to me and said " I don`t get photos like this from MY camera.That`s the power of good film and good optics coming together. Jon, my advice is to buy that camera and a bunch of film, and walk around taking photos of everything.Good luck! Robert Jon Fjortoft wrote: > Hi Eve, > > I can't really talk much about a Koni because I haven't quite decided to purchase one (yet?) From what I've gathered so far, the Koni Omega Rapid M in the storewindow of my local camera store would be a good quality/reasonably priced medium format camera to acquire. > Perhaps you could talk me into spending the $225 to get it. > > Jon > >>> evegir@reachone.com 06/02/02 11:29PM >>> > Why do I have the feeling that I am the only Koni user left on the planet? > My > goodness, I know I'm usually an odd duck, but puh-leeze! Why is is that the > other lists are full of discussion about anything and everything and this > list is nigh on > to a waste-land? > > Has no one anything to say? Lordy, I'm single! How else am I gonna find a > man!!!!! > > Seriously, I took a Rapid and 60mm out to our local wooden boat fair a > couple of weekends ago. > Wasn't until I got there that I discoved the film in the bag was XP2 left > over from a recent gig. Not the Delta 400 of my preference, as I usually > prefer to do my own processing in BW, but I soldiered on. I'm very pleased > with the results. I waited til evening and took my shots as the sun fell > behinds the Olympic mountains. Silky smooth golden light abounded. Did > some lovely abstractions with riggings and the like. I didn't even get > bugged by the camera curious. Are there any on this list? Hell, let's talk > baseball, cricket, > groups, group sex, anything, if we can't discuss cameras at least there > should be some sort of discourse. > > Let us resolve not to go the way of the dodo bird! > Let's keep this list going! And if you've forgotten about your Konis, let > me make you an offer you can't refuse . . . > > Eve > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 3 21:32:26 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? In-Reply-To: <020301c20ab7$3ab923e0$55fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020603203226.77709.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: Why is is that the other lists are full of discussion about anything and everything and this list is nigh on to a waste-land? Has no one anything to say? Lordy, I'm single! How else am I gonna find a man!!!!! Hell, let's talk baseball, cricket, groups, group sex, anything, if we can't discuss cameras at least there should be some sort of discourse. ____________ Eve, My theory is that KO users are a practical, no-nonsense group, more concerned with substance than form or fluff. (Why else would they spend hard-earned money on, and risk public ridicule by actually using, such odd-ball equipment??) So generally they speak when they have something germane to say, and not before. Which makes for a quiet, not particularly chatty forum -- a blessing to many. Now, as for more serious, if off-topic matters: How are you going to find a man? I submit that mentioning group sex in group e-mails is an excellent start. But it leaves us hungry for more details. We can see that you are a woman who craves stimulating ... discourse. And we know that you are in the lovely Puget Sound area. But if we, your Koni family, are to help, we need to know more! Other interests, priorities, age range, what you want in a man ... Do tell. Maybe one of us knows an appropriate single man in your neck of the woods! It is possible that this discussion will not interest many on the list (my apologies in advance), in which case I trust they will let us know, and we can take it private. Regards, -Paul Reese __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 02:55:12 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:55:12 -0400 Subject: [KOML] 90mm filter ring removal question References: Message-ID: <3CFC1E00.5ADE7AB0@earthlink.net> For future reference: here`s a tip to make this procedure easier.Around the lens is a collar that keeps the sliding lens hood in place. Close examination of said collar will reveal 3 of the tiniest screws ever created around the circumference.Using an appropriately tiny screwdriver, loosen & remove these screws.WARNING! Do this on a white towel,because if you don`t, these little suckers will beat a hasty retreat into the next zip code,and I can just about guarantee that you won`t find replacements at your local Ace hardware store.The lens hood, collar, and Series 6 ring will all come off together.Slide the hood off.Place a wide rubber band around the collar(the size that holds a bundle of broccoli together is cool)Now stick that #10 1/2 plug into the ring and give that mother a healthy counter-clockwise twist.(that`s ANTI-clockwise to all our friends across The Pond).This alternative technique will prevent damage to your valuable glass, and will prevent inadvertant disassembly of the lens.Save that Series 6 ring, if you ever decide to buy an Auto-Up (close-up attachment), you`ll need it. Robert Jonathan King wrote: > Ok, I just bought a RO200 last week(yeah!). I've read through much of the > archives at koni-omega.org and on R. Monaghan's web site. After I put my > first roll of film through it, I made my first modification - removing the > Series 6 filter ring, so I can attach 49mm accesories. > > Based on the archives, I got a trusty No. 10 1/2 stopper and twisted. The > whole front of the lens rotated, not just the adapter! Figuring that any > damage was done, I kept at it a bit and got the adapter loose. Now, when > I went to tighten the front elements, the DOF scale on the front will not > line up quite at the top of the lens anymore, probably between 10 & 11 > o'clock. I'm pretty sure it was at 12 O'clock before, but it was one of > those things you don't notice until it looks different. > > So the question: What sort of problem is this? Is it get to a real > repair person, don't worry, or somewhere in between? I've done small to > moderate mechanical repairs on camera bodies, but I've stayed away from > lenses. > > Thanks for any ideas, > > Jon King > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 05:24:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:24:21 -0400 Subject: [KOML] 90mm filter ring removal question In-Reply-To: <3CFC1E00.5ADE7AB0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CFC08B5.3446.124D920@localhost> On Monday, June 03, 2002 at 21:55, Nancy Brown wrote re "Re: [KOML] 90mm filter ring removal question" saying: > For future reference: here`s a tip to make this procedure easier.Around the > lens is a collar that keeps the sliding lens hood in place. Close examination > of said collar will reveal 3 of the tiniest screws ever created around the > circumference.Using an appropriately tiny screwdriver, loosen & remove these > screws.WARNING! Do this on a white towel,because if you don`t, these little > suckers will beat a hasty retreat into the next zip code,and I can just about > guarantee that you won`t find replacements at your local Ace hardware > store. I suggest a white darkroom tray. Don't, repeat don't use a terrycloth towel! Tom ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 13:12:49 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:12:49 -0400 Subject: [KOML] 90mm filter ring removal question In-Reply-To: <3CFC08B5.3446.124D920@localhost> References: <3CFC1E00.5ADE7AB0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604080629.02578ec0@pop.mindspring.com> At 12:24 AM 6/4/2002, you wrote: >On Monday, June 03, 2002 at 21:55, Nancy Brown >wrote re "Re: [KOML] 90mm filter ring removal question" saying: > > > For future reference: here`s a tip to make this procedure easier.Around the > > lens is a collar that keeps the sliding lens hood in place. Close > examination > > of said collar will reveal 3 of the tiniest screws ever created around the > > circumference.Using an appropriately tiny screwdriver, loosen & remove > these > > screws.WARNING! Do this on a white towel,because if you don`t, these little > > suckers will beat a hasty retreat into the next zip code,and I can just > about > > guarantee that you won`t find replacements at your local Ace hardware > > store. > >I suggest a white darkroom tray. Don't, repeat don't use a terrycloth >towel! I avoided the whole problem last summer by doing some digging around in the used adapter ring box at my local camera shop - I found a Series 6 ring for $2.50...I then ordered a new Series 6 filter from B&W for about $34... -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html You glorify the past when the future dries up - Bono From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 18:36:49 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (lee santa) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Koni-Omega Rapid M Message-ID: <20020604173649.1139.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Recently purchased a Koni-Omega Rapid M (serial # 43095T)with a 58mm lens. Could anyone tell me the year of it's manufacture? Also, where could I find a manual & other lenses & accessories? Thanks, Lee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 20:46:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:46:52 -0700 Subject: [KOML] (no subject) Message-ID: <018101c20c00$93869800$99fde1cf@evegirard> "Perhaps you could talk me into spending the $225 to get it. Jon" How bout we do it this way - you tell me where it is and I'LL buy it! Seriously, it will be the best fun you've ever had for the money to say nothing of the best value. The lenses are unbeatable, the complete system is small (not like a "complete" Nikon system) and affordable, the cameras are intuitive to use and Eve is running on and on . . . See if your shop will give you a trial period that will allow you to run a roll or two thru the camera. Have an shot list in your head before you start so as not to waste time. Go out and enjoy. Remember, the 2.000832 people on this list are never wrong! (please note that IS a decimal) Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 21:24:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Game*Alot Toys & Games) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:24:44 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega Message-ID: I am a recent owner of a Koni Omega. Having fun with it. Great camera. Now I need to begin adding the pieces to make it a complete system. I like to take people shots. For many of these I need extra light. I am not very knowledgeable about electronic flash units but do see the "cheat sheet" engraved above the lens. My Nikon does all the work for me but the Koni expects me to think. Maybe I am up to it. What do I need to do to add an electronic flash? Best would seem to be a unit that had a guide number that matched the graph. What about connecting the unit to the camera? Is there a special cord needed? I have seen a supplier of weird cords on the web who shows up when I search for Koni. Any recommendations of particular flash units? Thanks for the help and I am glad that this list exists, even if only 2.13567 people are on it. Frank Kaehler Santa Cruz, CA -- Game*Alot Toys & Games Voice: 831/429-9009 Fax: 831/429-6609 Quality Toys for Fun and Learning Web :www.gamealot.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 21:21:48 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:21:48 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Koni-Omega Rapid M References: <20020604173649.1139.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <024901c20c05$7a7a4b40$99fde1cf@evegirard> Try this site for lots of answers to lots of questions. http://www.peterlanczak.de/koni.htm Congratulations on your find. That is my favorite combination! I think Peter has a links page for used sites, but if not, get back to me and I'll pas along my favorites. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "lee santa" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: [KOML] Koni-Omega Rapid M > Recently purchased a Koni-Omega Rapid M (serial # > 43095T)with a 58mm lens. Could anyone tell me the year > of it's manufacture? Also, where could I find a manual > & other lenses & accessories? > Thanks, > Lee > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 21:45:15 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:45:15 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3CFCEE9B.31274.E8A9EF@localhost> Frank, Most flashes have one or more auto modes, where you set the flash and choose the f/stop according to the film speed. A sensor on the flash turns the flash off based on reflection from the subject. This has the disadvantage that it tends to average out the subject and the background. Using the Guide Number will result in better exposures of the subject. Tom On Tuesday, June 04, 2002 at 13:24, Game*Alot Toys & Games wrote re "[KOML] Flash for Koni Omega" saying: > I am a recent owner of a Koni Omega. Having fun with it. Great > camera. Now I need to begin adding the pieces to make it a complete > system. > > I like to take people shots. For many of these I need extra light. I > am not very knowledgeable about electronic flash units but do see the > "cheat sheet" engraved above the lens. My Nikon does all the work for > me but the Koni expects me to think. Maybe I am up to it. > > What do I need to do to add an electronic flash? Best would seem to > be a unit that had a guide number that matched the graph. What about > connecting the unit to the camera? Is there a special cord needed? I > have seen a supplier of weird cords on the web who shows up when I > search for Koni. Any recommendations of particular flash units? > > > > Thanks for the help and I am glad that this list exists, even if only > 2.13567 people are on it. > > > Frank Kaehler ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 21:57:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:57:36 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega Message-ID: I bought a custom sync cord from Paramount. It's very similar to a normal one, only it screws in to the lens so it's a little harder to slip out. Otherwise, you can just use a generic sync cord and make sure the other end matches your flash end. http://www.paramountcords.com/Default.htm I have a sunpak 555, which is a beast to use with this camera. And I now have a Vivitar 283. If you go the Vivitar route, you might splurge and get the 285 instead. It has a zoomable head. I don't recall the guide numbers for either of these flashes. I tend to use my digital camera as a polaroid. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Game*Alot Toys & Games [mailto:gamealot@mail.cruzio.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:25 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega I am a recent owner of a Koni Omega. Having fun with it. Great camera. Now I need to begin adding the pieces to make it a complete system. I like to take people shots. For many of these I need extra light. I am not very knowledgeable about electronic flash units but do see the "cheat sheet" engraved above the lens. My Nikon does all the work for me but the Koni expects me to think. Maybe I am up to it. What do I need to do to add an electronic flash? Best would seem to be a unit that had a guide number that matched the graph. What about connecting the unit to the camera? Is there a special cord needed? I have seen a supplier of weird cords on the web who shows up when I search for Koni. Any recommendations of particular flash units? Thanks for the help and I am glad that this list exists, even if only 2.13567 people are on it. Frank Kaehler Santa Cruz, CA -- Game*Alot Toys & Games Voice: 831/429-9009 Fax: 831/429-6609 Quality Toys for Fun and Learning Web :www.gamealot.com _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 22:01:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:01:47 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? References: <20020603203226.77709.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <025701c20c0b$0b245820$99fde1cf@evegirard> Why, Paul, you make a girl positively blush! Ok, now that Scarlett is out of the way . . . I am on many camera-related lists. Some are quite anal and spend hours discussing watches, accuracy of things and seldom show the people as human beings. Some are full of lively chatter and humor. Others talk of beer and cars. Some are painfully serious. Then there is KOML. What's a mother to do!!! We seem to sit about, waiting for the other person to speak. We have had 2 recent inquiries about KO. I admire their faith in asking questions to a silent black hole! So if we must talk about me to have some sort of thread, then so be it! I'm only doing this once, so take careful notes. For the math-oriented folks here, I graduated HS in '66 and got my BS in 72. That's as close to exposing my age as I get. I married too young and didn't divorce soon enough. I'm 6' and HWP as the ads say. I am an electrologist by trade. I've been with camera since I was a wee lass. During the summer college breaks, I followed the Formula One circuit in Europe, Leica in hand. Since those days I have mellowed (not) and have discarded 35mm entirely. I use my Konis to the max, but do have a certain TLR of Teutonic heritage that is very portable as well. I'm out, too, in contemplative moods when my 4x5 collection gets its workout. I do my own darkroom work, hate anything digital, don't own a watch and, being a photographer, my interests are broad and many. Eve be through braggin'! Your turn! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > Why is is that the other lists are full of discussion > about anything and everything and this list is nigh on > to a waste-land? > > > > Has no one anything to say? Lordy, I'm single! How > else am I gonna find a man!!!!! > > > > Hell, let's talk baseball, cricket, groups, group sex, > anything, if we can't discuss cameras at least there > should be some sort of discourse. > > ____________ > > Eve, > > My theory is that KO users are a practical, > no-nonsense group, more concerned with substance than > form or fluff. (Why else would they spend hard-earned > money on, and risk public ridicule by actually using, > such odd-ball equipment??) So generally they speak > when they have something germane to say, and not > before. Which makes for a quiet, not particularly > chatty forum -- a blessing to many. > > Now, as for more serious, if off-topic matters: How > are you going to find a man? I submit that mentioning > group sex in group e-mails is an excellent start. But > it leaves us hungry for more details. We can see that > you are a woman who craves stimulating ... discourse. > And we know that you are in the lovely Puget Sound > area. But if we, your Koni family, are to help, we > need to know more! Other interests, priorities, age > range, what you want in a man ... Do tell. Maybe one > of us knows an appropriate single man in your neck of > the woods! > > It is possible that this discussion will not interest > many on the list (my apologies in advance), in which > case I trust they will let us know, and we can take it > private. > > Regards, > > -Paul Reese > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 22:10:57 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:10:57 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega References: Message-ID: <026701c20c0c$52e25260$99fde1cf@evegirard> Frank, I'm afraid that I can't speak for the majority of flash users here, as I confess to being a complete flash heathen. I use a Sunpak 522 and was lucky enough to have a pc connector that slid into the cup. I follow the flash settings from its calculator and just wing the fine-tuning. Just follow common sense for fill flash and you'll be fine. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Game*Alot Toys & Games" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:24 PM Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega > I am a recent owner of a Koni Omega. Having fun with it. Great > camera. Now I need to begin adding the pieces to make it a complete > system. > > I like to take people shots. For many of these I need extra light. I > am not very knowledgeable about electronic flash units but do see the > "cheat sheet" engraved above the lens. My Nikon does all the work for > me but the Koni expects me to think. Maybe I am up to it. > > What do I need to do to add an electronic flash? Best would seem to > be a unit that had a guide number that matched the graph. What about > connecting the unit to the camera? Is there a special cord needed? I > have seen a supplier of weird cords on the web who shows up when I > search for Koni. Any recommendations of particular flash units? > > > > Thanks for the help and I am glad that this list exists, even if only > 2.13567 people are on it. > > > Frank Kaehler > Santa Cruz, CA > -- > Game*Alot Toys & Games Voice: 831/429-9009 > Fax: 831/429-6609 > Quality Toys for Fun and Learning > Web :www.gamealot.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 01:32:49 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:32:49 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:57 pm -0600 4/6/02, Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: >I bought a custom sync cord from Paramount. It's very similar to a normal >one, only it screws in to the lens so it's a little harder to slip out. >Otherwise, you can just use a generic sync cord and make sure the other end >matches your flash end. >http://www.paramountcords.com/Default.htm > >I have a sunpak 555, which is a beast to use with this camera. And I now >have a Vivitar 283. If you go the Vivitar route, you might splurge and get >the 285 instead. It has a zoomable head. I don't recall the guide numbers >for either of these flashes. I tend to use my digital camera as a polaroid. > >Barbara snippety snip The screw on flash synch cord is rather wonderful in that it can't fall out - well worth following that Paramount URL and parting with the dosh. As for flash heads - the 285 is around a 45 guide number and an excellent device. I carry one of these around with me whatever kit is being used. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 22:20:30 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:20:30 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604171822.0256b870@pop.mindspring.com> At 04:57 PM 6/4/2002, you wrote: >I bought a custom sync cord from Paramount. It's very similar to a normal >one, only it screws in to the lens so it's a little harder to slip out. >Otherwise, you can just use a generic sync cord and make sure the other end >matches your flash end. >http://www.paramountcords.com/Default.htm > >I have a sunpak 555, which is a beast to use with this camera. And I now >have a Vivitar 283. If you go the Vivitar route, you might splurge and get >the 285 instead. It has a zoomable head. I don't recall the guide numbers >for either of these flashes. I tend to use my digital camera as a polaroid. I run a Nikon SB-25 that I bought to use on my F4...in manual mode the LCD panel on the back has a nice distance calculator/power scale - set the F stop and it gives you the effective distance range. Very handy. But I did discover that simply sliding that flash on to the camera shorts out two of the contacts on the flash and it won't fire - I found a plastic hotshoe with a PC cord on it - shoe on camera, plug in PC cord, put on flash and have at it... -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html You glorify the past when the future dries up - Bono From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 22:48:58 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? In-Reply-To: <025701c20c0b$0b245820$99fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020604214858.70588.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: ... if we must talk about me to have some sort of thread, then so be it! I'm only doing this once, so take careful notes. For the math-oriented folks here, I graduated HS in '66 and got my BS in 72. That's as close to exposing my age as I get. I married too young and didn't divorce soon enough. I'm 6' and HWP as the ads say. I am an electrologist by trade. I've been with camera since I was a wee lass. During the summer college breaks, I followed the Formula One circuit in Europe, Leica in hand. Since those days I have mellowed (not) and have discarded 35mm entirely. I use my Konis to the max, but do have a certain TLR of Teutonic heritage that is very portable as well. I'm out, too, in contemplative moods when my 4x5 collection gets its workout. I do my own darkroom work, hate anything digital, don't own a watch and, being a photographer, my interests are broad and many. Eve be through braggin'! Your turn! _____________ My turn?! Gulp. Hey, I'm not the one looking for a man (nor a woman, for that matter)! And while I'm sure that most of the list (myself included) finds you fascinating, I have no reason to believe that they would find ME so. I already offered my meager Koni history to the group in response to your last "ping". As for the personal details, I will reciprocate privately. Let's keep the group focus where it belongs -- on finding you a man. How about it, group? Anybody know a single boomer male in the great Pacific Northwest who can keep up with a woman of Eve's broad interests and sparkling wit? And whose ego can tolerate the superior size of her negatives (and trannies)? Speaking of which ... Got any scans to share, Eve? -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 01:43:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:43:55 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? In-Reply-To: <025701c20c0b$0b245820$99fde1cf@evegirard> References: <20020603203226.77709.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> <025701c20c0b$0b245820$99fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: At 2:01 pm -0700 4/6/02, Eve Girard wrote: >Why, Paul, you make a girl positively blush! Why do I get the feeling that it would be difficult to make you blush Eve? ;-) Thanks for spicing up life here on KOML - I have been a bit quiet recently as a number of projects have gone from planning stage to taking over my life. Took some time out over the last few days as we are all celebrating the Queen's Golden Jubilee here in the UK. Spent most of the today at a street party and the most demanding conversation was with a 5 year old on the technical and aesthetic considerations on how he should paint his white balloon. No camera, no agenda and a relaxing, warm and pleasant day fueled by the occasional beer passed to me to keep my brain numbed and effectively stop me from rushing home to pick up the KO. Watching the fireworks over Buckingham Palace on the box last night was inspiring but I bet people were too busy enjoying it to take many photos. The day ended today with Concorde and the Red Arrows flying low level formation, following the road to the Palace - superb! Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 01:47:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:47:13 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604171822.0256b870@pop.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604171822.0256b870@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 5:20 pm -0400 4/6/02, Craig Zeni wrote: snip >But I did discover that simply sliding that flash on to the camera >shorts out two of the contacts on the flash and it won't fire - I >found a plastic hotshoe with a PC cord on it - shoe on camera, plug >in PC cord, put on flash and have at it... Or simply use a piece of electrical insulating tape on one of the camera cold shoes before attaching the flash to the camera. The Vivitar flash bracket is a useful tool when attached to a KO. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 01:44:38 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:44:38 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega References: Message-ID: <3CFD5EF6.52384E7B@earthlink.net> Frank, A good, basic flash unit like the Vivitar 285HV would be a good place to start.Specs: Guide Number: 120 // 4-f/stop manual adjustment// 4 auto settings//Tilt/bounce head with 3-position zoom// Diffuser panel for wide angles//Removeable light-sensing module//Many optional accessories available//And it`s only about $80 brand-new from B&H.I`ve used these for a long time, they`re good performers and very durable.One of the good things about leaf-shutter lenses is their ability to flash-synch at all speeds,which means you can mix in more ambient light so your flash photos won`t have that "deer-caught-in-the-headlights" look.By balancing the light in this manner it will be hard to tell that flash was used.On one of the other groups that I belong to there is an excellent article on flash technique by a studio photographer named Gene Windell.If I can locate it, I`ll post it to the list- it`s worth a read. Robert Game*Alot Toys & Games wrote: > I am a recent owner of a Koni Omega. Having fun with it. Great > camera. Now I need to begin adding the pieces to make it a complete > system. > > I like to take people shots. For many of these I need extra light. I > am not very knowledgeable about electronic flash units but do see the > "cheat sheet" engraved above the lens. My Nikon does all the work for > me but the Koni expects me to think. Maybe I am up to it. > > What do I need to do to add an electronic flash? Best would seem to > be a unit that had a guide number that matched the graph. What about > connecting the unit to the camera? Is there a special cord needed? I > have seen a supplier of weird cords on the web who shows up when I > search for Koni. Any recommendations of particular flash units? > > Thanks for the help and I am glad that this list exists, even if only > 2.13567 people are on it. > > Frank Kaehler > Santa Cruz, CA > -- > Game*Alot Toys & Games Voice: 831/429-9009 > Fax: 831/429-6609 > Quality Toys for Fun and Learning > Web :www.gamealot.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 01:51:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:51:18 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604171822.0256b870@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020604171822.0256b870@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604205048.024d50b0@pop.mindspring.com> At 08:47 PM 6/4/2002, you wrote: >At 5:20 pm -0400 4/6/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >snip >>But I did discover that simply sliding that flash on to the camera shorts >>out two of the contacts on the flash and it won't fire - I found a >>plastic hotshoe with a PC cord on it - shoe on camera, plug in PC cord, >>put on flash and have at it... > >Or simply use a piece of electrical insulating tape on one of the camera >cold shoes before attaching the flash to the camera. The Vivitar flash >bracket is a useful tool when attached to a KO. Found that to be an excessively tight fit with my particular flash and camera...thus the other widget :) -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html You glorify the past when the future dries up - Bono From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 02:11:09 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 02:11:09 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604205048.024d50b0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604171822.0256b870@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020604171822.0256b870@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020604205048.024d50b0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 8:51 pm -0400 4/6/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >At 08:47 PM 6/4/2002, you wrote: >>At 5:20 pm -0400 4/6/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >>snip >>>But I did discover that simply sliding that flash on to the camera >>>shorts out two of the contacts on the flash and it won't fire - I >>>found a plastic hotshoe with a PC cord on it - shoe on camera, >>>plug in PC cord, put on flash and have at it... >> >>Or simply use a piece of electrical insulating tape on one of the >>camera cold shoes before attaching the flash to the camera. The >>Vivitar flash bracket is a useful tool when attached to a KO. > >Found that to be an excessively tight fit with my particular flash >and camera...thus the other widget :) Fair comment - use thin tape? I have had a similar experience with some combinations of flash brackets and heads but the last piece of tape went on the KO shoe several years ago and does the job for the Vivitar 285. From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 03:44:48 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:44:48 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega References: Message-ID: <002501c20c3a$f5d4ddc0$7fb3fea9@watavue> Frank I have oodles of extra high powered strobes. Let me know what kind of photos you are interested in taking and maybe I can help you out , Plus a variety of backs and lenses. Smilinjack----- Original Message ----- From: "Game*Alot Toys & Games" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:24 PM Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega > I am a recent owner of a Koni Omega. Having fun with it. Great > camera. Now I need to begin adding the pieces to make it a complete > system. > > I like to take people shots. For many of these I need extra light. I > am not very knowledgeable about electronic flash units but do see the > "cheat sheet" engraved above the lens. My Nikon does all the work for > me but the Koni expects me to think. Maybe I am up to it. > > What do I need to do to add an electronic flash? Best would seem to > be a unit that had a guide number that matched the graph. What about > connecting the unit to the camera? Is there a special cord needed? I > have seen a supplier of weird cords on the web who shows up when I > search for Koni. Any recommendations of particular flash units? > > > > Thanks for the help and I am glad that this list exists, even if only > 2.13567 people are on it. > > > Frank Kaehler > Santa Cruz, CA > -- > Game*Alot Toys & Games Voice: 831/429-9009 > Fax: 831/429-6609 > Quality Toys for Fun and Learning > Web :www.gamealot.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 02:26:50 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:26:50 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604205048.024d50b0@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020604171822.0256b870@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020604171822.0256b870@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020604205048.024d50b0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604212518.01de03f0@pop.mindspring.com> At 09:11 PM 6/4/2002, you wrote: >At 8:51 pm -0400 4/6/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >>At 08:47 PM 6/4/2002, you wrote: >>>At 5:20 pm -0400 4/6/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >>>snip >>>>But I did discover that simply sliding that flash on to the camera >>>>shorts out two of the contacts on the flash and it won't fire - I found >>>>a plastic hotshoe with a PC cord on it - shoe on camera, plug in PC >>>>cord, put on flash and have at it... >>> >>>Or simply use a piece of electrical insulating tape on one of the camera >>>cold shoes before attaching the flash to the camera. The Vivitar flash >>>bracket is a useful tool when attached to a KO. >> >>Found that to be an excessively tight fit with my particular flash and >>camera...thus the other widget :) > >Fair comment - use thin tape? I have had a similar experience with some >combinations of flash brackets and heads but the last piece of tape went >on the KO shoe several years ago and does the job for the Vivitar 285. Tried that - after a couple of slide on/off cycle the nice sharp points on the flash cut thru my tape :) I surrendered and plumped the $6 for the plastic shoe...also works on my tight-shoe M3 with the plug adapter that beast needs as well. -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html You glorify the past when the future dries up - Bono From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 02:37:46 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:37:46 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? References: <20020603203226.77709.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> <025701c20c0b$0b245820$99fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <3CFD6B6A.97F9FBBC@earthlink.net> Eve, Interesting resume`. Electrologist, huh? I guess that`s like, the study of ancient electrical objects?My sister says she`s an"orgasmatrician", but she`s really a hooker.Your Formula One experience sounds intriguing, perhaps you could regale us with a few trackside anecdotes,like the time Jackie Stewart drove the Nurburgring sans trousers.(Or was that Ted Kennedy? Hmmm......) Robert Eve Girard wrote: > Why, Paul, you make a girl positively blush! > > Ok, now that Scarlett is out of the way . . . > > I am on many camera-related lists. Some are quite anal and spend hours > discussing watches, accuracy of things and seldom show the people as human > beings. Some are full of lively chatter and humor. Others talk of beer and > cars. Some are painfully serious. Then there is KOML. What's a mother to > do!!! We seem to sit about, waiting for the other person to speak. We have > had 2 recent inquiries about KO. I admire their faith in asking questions > to a silent black hole! > So if we must talk about me to have some sort of thread, then so be it! > I'm only doing this once, so take careful notes. > For the math-oriented folks here, I graduated HS in '66 and got my BS in 72. > That's as close to exposing my age as I get. I married too young and didn't > divorce soon enough. I'm 6' and HWP as the ads say. I am an electrologist > by trade. > I've been with camera since I was a wee lass. During the summer college > breaks, I followed the Formula One circuit in Europe, Leica in hand. > Since those days I have mellowed (not) and have discarded 35mm entirely. I > use my Konis to the max, but do have a certain TLR of Teutonic heritage that > is very portable as well. I'm out, too, in contemplative moods when my 4x5 > collection gets its workout. I do my own darkroom work, hate anything > digital, don't own a watch and, being a photographer, my interests are broad > and many. > Eve be through braggin'! > > Your turn! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul R." > To: > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > > > > Why is is that the other lists are full of discussion > > about anything and everything and this list is nigh on > > to a waste-land? > > > > > > > > Has no one anything to say? Lordy, I'm single! How > > else am I gonna find a man!!!!! > > > > > > > > Hell, let's talk baseball, cricket, groups, group sex, > > anything, if we can't discuss cameras at least there > > should be some sort of discourse. > > > > ____________ > > > > Eve, > > > > My theory is that KO users are a practical, > > no-nonsense group, more concerned with substance than > > form or fluff. (Why else would they spend hard-earned > > money on, and risk public ridicule by actually using, > > such odd-ball equipment??) So generally they speak > > when they have something germane to say, and not > > before. Which makes for a quiet, not particularly > > chatty forum -- a blessing to many. > > > > Now, as for more serious, if off-topic matters: How > > are you going to find a man? I submit that mentioning > > group sex in group e-mails is an excellent start. But > > it leaves us hungry for more details. We can see that > > you are a woman who craves stimulating ... discourse. > > And we know that you are in the lovely Puget Sound > > area. But if we, your Koni family, are to help, we > > need to know more! Other interests, priorities, age > > range, what you want in a man ... Do tell. Maybe one > > of us knows an appropriate single man in your neck of > > the woods! > > > > It is possible that this discussion will not interest > > many on the list (my apologies in advance), in which > > case I trust they will let us know, and we can take it > > private. > > > > Regards, > > > > -Paul Reese > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 04:22:32 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Donald McClure) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:22:32 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Flash for Koni Omega In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <792633C7-7833-11D6-BDE2-0003938FD66A@mac.com> I've been using a little Quantaray QA25 that I found a thrift store as a fill flash for outdoor portraits. Its a small automatic unit with a choice of two f stop ranges. I set the lens aperture about one stop slower then the flash. Works great. The effect is pretty subtle. Its nice having that leaf shutter giving you all kinds of flash sync options! Oh yeah. I found my Koni Omega at a thrift store too. Beautiful MF on the cheap! Don McClure Bel Air, MD On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 04:24 PM, Game*Alot Toys & Games wrote: > I am a recent owner of a Koni Omega. Having fun with it. Great camera. > Now I need to begin adding the pieces to make it a complete system. > > I like to take people shots. For many of these I need extra light. I am > not very knowledgeable about electronic flash units but do see the > "cheat sheet" engraved above the lens. My Nikon does all the work for > me but the Koni expects me to think. Maybe I am up to it. > > What do I need to do to add an electronic flash? Best would seem to be > a unit that had a guide number that matched the graph. What about > connecting the unit to the camera? Is there a special cord needed? I > have seen a supplier of weird cords on the web who shows up when I > search for Koni. Any recommendations of particular flash units? > > > > Thanks for the help and I am glad that this list exists, even if only > 2.13567 people are on it. > > > Frank Kaehler > Santa Cruz, CA > -- Game*Alot Toys & Games Voice: 831/429-9009 > Fax: 831/429-6609 > Quality Toys for Fun and Learning Web :www.gamealot.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 07:49:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:49:14 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? References: <20020603203226.77709.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> <025701c20c0b$0b245820$99fde1cf@evegirard> <3CFD6B6A.97F9FBBC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <03aa01c20c5d$1bbc1cc0$99fde1cf@evegirard> Robert, For the record, an electrologist is one who performs permanent hair removal by means of electrolysis. and I do, indeed, have many sordid F1 tales, but not for public consumption! I have had John Surtees throw broken parts at me, Francois Cevert pinch my fanny and Emerson Fittipaldi offer a bite of lunch. The story about being sans coulottes may have been about me, but you never know! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? > Eve, > Interesting resume`. Electrologist, huh? I guess that`s like, the study of > ancient electrical objects?My sister says she`s an"orgasmatrician", but she`s > really a hooker.Your Formula One experience sounds intriguing, perhaps you could > regale us with a few trackside anecdotes,like the time Jackie Stewart drove the > Nurburgring sans trousers.(Or was that Ted Kennedy? Hmmm......) > Robert > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > Why, Paul, you make a girl positively blush! > > > > Ok, now that Scarlett is out of the way . . . > > > > I am on many camera-related lists. Some are quite anal and spend hours > > discussing watches, accuracy of things and seldom show the people as human > > beings. Some are full of lively chatter and humor. Others talk of beer and > > cars. Some are painfully serious. Then there is KOML. What's a mother to > > do!!! We seem to sit about, waiting for the other person to speak. We have > > had 2 recent inquiries about KO. I admire their faith in asking questions > > to a silent black hole! > > So if we must talk about me to have some sort of thread, then so be it! > > I'm only doing this once, so take careful notes. > > For the math-oriented folks here, I graduated HS in '66 and got my BS in 72. > > That's as close to exposing my age as I get. I married too young and didn't > > divorce soon enough. I'm 6' and HWP as the ads say. I am an electrologist > > by trade. > > I've been with camera since I was a wee lass. During the summer college > > breaks, I followed the Formula One circuit in Europe, Leica in hand. > > Since those days I have mellowed (not) and have discarded 35mm entirely. I > > use my Konis to the max, but do have a certain TLR of Teutonic heritage that > > is very portable as well. I'm out, too, in contemplative moods when my 4x5 > > collection gets its workout. I do my own darkroom work, hate anything > > digital, don't own a watch and, being a photographer, my interests are broad > > and many. > > Eve be through braggin'! > > > > Your turn! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul R." > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? > > > > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is is that the other lists are full of discussion > > > about anything and everything and this list is nigh on > > > to a waste-land? > > > > > > > > > > > > Has no one anything to say? Lordy, I'm single! How > > > else am I gonna find a man!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Hell, let's talk baseball, cricket, groups, group sex, > > > anything, if we can't discuss cameras at least there > > > should be some sort of discourse. > > > > > > ____________ > > > > > > Eve, > > > > > > My theory is that KO users are a practical, > > > no-nonsense group, more concerned with substance than > > > form or fluff. (Why else would they spend hard-earned > > > money on, and risk public ridicule by actually using, > > > such odd-ball equipment??) So generally they speak > > > when they have something germane to say, and not > > > before. Which makes for a quiet, not particularly > > > chatty forum -- a blessing to many. > > > > > > Now, as for more serious, if off-topic matters: How > > > are you going to find a man? I submit that mentioning > > > group sex in group e-mails is an excellent start. But > > > it leaves us hungry for more details. We can see that > > > you are a woman who craves stimulating ... discourse. > > > And we know that you are in the lovely Puget Sound > > > area. But if we, your Koni family, are to help, we > > > need to know more! Other interests, priorities, age > > > range, what you want in a man ... Do tell. Maybe one > > > of us knows an appropriate single man in your neck of > > > the woods! > > > > > > It is possible that this discussion will not interest > > > many on the list (my apologies in advance), in which > > > case I trust they will let us know, and we can take it > > > private. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -Paul Reese > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 5 08:02:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 00:02:47 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? References: <20020604214858.70588.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03d101c20c5f$006460c0$99fde1cf@evegirard> Paul, "Speaking of which ... Got any scans to share, Eve?" I always shudder at this question. Clive has already gently prodded me on that subject. I simply loathe the process of scanning my work. I have a dear friend who does scan for me, but she is in some family distress right now and to ask would be a burden for her. Patience, Grasshopper! I know I sound as mis-trusting as a primitive who is afraid a photo will steal his spirit. Eve ----- _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jun 6 00:15:22 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Game*Alot Toys & Games) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 16:15:22 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Flash use on a Koni Omega Message-ID: Thank you, everyone. You all provided a great deal of information that will be of great help. I learned a lot and now know where to look for even more. Especially useful were the tips that were Koni specific. Frank -- Game*Alot Toys & Games Voice: 831/429-9009 Fax: 831/429-6609 Quality Toys for Fun and Learning Web :www.gamealot.com From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jun 6 22:15:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin .../ MF film scanners In-Reply-To: <03d101c20c5f$006460c0$99fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020606211541.46795.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Eve, Patience I've got! And hope as well, since you've obviously overcome your digi-phobia enough to be comfy w/e-mail. Speaking of scans ... What are the latest recommendations for affordable (say, <$500) home scanning of 6x7 film? Does anyone have good or bad experiences to share, with the Epson Perfection series or otherwise? For 35mm I have a low-end Minolta (Dimage Scan Dual), which does pretty well with 'average' exposures, but doesn't have the dynamic range for contrasty slides or negs. I'm sure most of you would demand (or at least desire) better performance for your big, beautiful KO images. So I'm eager to hear your critical reviews of the 'home' MF scanners. Eve, what does your friend use? And are you satisfied with the results? -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > Paul, > > "Speaking of which ... Got any scans to share, Eve?" > > I always shudder at this question. Clive has > already gently prodded me on > that subject. I simply loathe the process of > scanning my work. I have a > dear friend who does scan for me, but she is in some > family distress right > now and to ask would be a burden for her. Patience, > Grasshopper! I know I > sound as mis-trusting as a primitive who is afraid a > photo will steal his > spirit. > Eve > ----- > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 7 06:28:03 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 22:28:03 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin .../ MF film scanners References: <20020606211541.46795.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e001c20de4$193678a0$17fde1cf@evegirard> Paul, I wish I could reply intelligently as to what my friend uses for scans. She has told me over and over and I just smile and ask when they'll be ready. So far, I am fairly pleased with her eforts, but I always view a scan as a "sketch" of the finished print. The digital was one revolution that I have taken a pass on. I accept e-mail without a flinch as you noted. I never miss a chance to speak my piece, but I have always had a keyboard in front of me and that is familiar. Comforting, in fact. How my message is dissected and reassembled is a acceptable mystery and I am happy with that. I just can't be comfortable with randomly sending out images in the hope that they won't surface somewhere else under a different name. Paranoia rules, I guess. I'll take the plunge, just remember I never jump in feet first unless its with my big mouth! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin .../ MF film scanners > Eve, > > Patience I've got! And hope as well, since you've > obviously overcome your digi-phobia enough to be comfy > w/e-mail. > > Speaking of scans ... What are the latest > recommendations for affordable (say, <$500) home > scanning of 6x7 film? Does anyone have good or bad > experiences to share, with the Epson Perfection series > or otherwise? > > For 35mm I have a low-end Minolta (Dimage Scan Dual), > which does pretty well with 'average' exposures, but > doesn't have the dynamic range for contrasty slides or > negs. I'm sure most of you would demand (or at least > desire) better performance for your big, beautiful KO > images. So I'm eager to hear your critical reviews of > the 'home' MF scanners. > > Eve, what does your friend use? And are you satisfied > with the results? > > -Paul > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > Paul, > > > > "Speaking of which ... Got any scans to share, Eve?" > > > > I always shudder at this question. Clive has > > already gently prodded me on > > that subject. I simply loathe the process of > > scanning my work. I have a > > dear friend who does scan for me, but she is in some > > family distress right > > now and to ask would be a burden for her. Patience, > > Grasshopper! I know I > > sound as mis-trusting as a primitive who is afraid a > > photo will steal his > > spirit. > > Eve > > ----- > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 7 07:23:02 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:23:02 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin .../ MF film scanners In-Reply-To: <20020606211541.46795.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <03d101c20c5f$006460c0$99fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D001906.31258.249EF70@localhost> You might consider trying out vuescan to use multi-pass scanning to increase resolution and dynamic range. It's shareware and works with your Scan Dual. http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm Tom On Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 14:15, Paul R. wrote re "Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin .../ MF film scanners" saying: > Eve, > > Patience I've got! And hope as well, since you've > obviously overcome your digi-phobia enough to be comfy > w/e-mail. > > Speaking of scans ... What are the latest > recommendations for affordable (say, <$500) home > scanning of 6x7 film? Does anyone have good or bad > experiences to share, with the Epson Perfection series > or otherwise? > > For 35mm I have a low-end Minolta (Dimage Scan Dual), > which does pretty well with 'average' exposures, but > doesn't have the dynamic range for contrasty slides or > negs. I'm sure most of you would demand (or at least > desire) better performance for your big, beautiful KO > images. So I'm eager to hear your critical reviews of > the 'home' MF scanners. ... ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 7 15:02:17 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:02:17 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin .../ MF film scanners Message-ID: I have the Epson 2450. And I LOVE IT! I also have a Minolta Dimage (an older one-35mm only). I prefer my Epson. I did a comparison between the two using the same 35mm neg. and the Epson won. I didn't run a technical test. It was just purely which image I liked better. The Minolta didn't seem smooth. Or it had some kind of pattern or something. I can't explain it very well. Now, my Minolta is just sitting there collecting dust. I used to be dead set against flatbeds as a film scanner. But this one is really cool. You can scan negs. up to 4x5. It's awesome for med. format. Although, it's pretty easy to make very large files. Be sure to look into this machine before you buy. It comes with some software called "SilverFast". You can actually tell it what kind of film you are scanning and it automatically does some color adjusting or something to match that film. That program is really nice. The scanner comes with it's own Epson software, but to me it just sort-of sucks. Maybe I just don't know how to use it. So, I use the SilverFast that came with it. I don't understand why they put the two programs that do the same thing packed in with this scanner. But, I'm partially biased. I have two Epson printers (1270 and 785EPX). With camera equipment, I don't have brandloyalty. But input and output devices...Epson all the way. There were two others scanners that I compared it with before I bought. One was a Polaroid. It sounded really good, but I'm nervous about buying Polaroid products. And it cost more. I think the other was an HP, which I think was about the same price as the Epson. I wish I could remember more...but I'm happy with my decision. BTW, thanks Tom with that link for the vuescan. I'm going to check that out. I feel guilty not using the Minolta (since I bought it only about 4 months before I bought the Epson)...and if the software improves it then...well...I guess I can run another comparison against the two. Thanks, Barbara L. Spinnenweber -----Original Message----- From: Paul R. [mailto:groove211@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 4:16 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin .../ MF film scanners Eve, Patience I've got! And hope as well, since you've obviously overcome your digi-phobia enough to be comfy w/e-mail. Speaking of scans ... What are the latest recommendations for affordable (say, <$500) home scanning of 6x7 film? Does anyone have good or bad experiences to share, with the Epson Perfection series or otherwise? For 35mm I have a low-end Minolta (Dimage Scan Dual), which does pretty well with 'average' exposures, but doesn't have the dynamic range for contrasty slides or negs. I'm sure most of you would demand (or at least desire) better performance for your big, beautiful KO images. So I'm eager to hear your critical reviews of the 'home' MF scanners. Eve, what does your friend use? And are you satisfied with the results? -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > Paul, > > "Speaking of which ... Got any scans to share, Eve?" > > I always shudder at this question. Clive has > already gently prodded me on > that subject. I simply loathe the process of > scanning my work. I have a > dear friend who does scan for me, but she is in some > family distress right > now and to ask would be a burden for her. Patience, > Grasshopper! I know I > sound as mis-trusting as a primitive who is afraid a > photo will steal his > spirit. > Eve > ----- > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 8 04:09:03 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Andrew Mcgee) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 23:09:03 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin .../ MF film scanners In-Reply-To: <20020606211541.46795.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020606211541.46795.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >Hi Paul: I just installed the Epson Perfection 2450 and so far the results have been excellent. I have been using B&W Negatives, only so it will take a few weeks to let you know how I do with color. The listed price is close to $500 but if you shop around you can get it for a lot less. My epson cost me $385 deliversd. Sounds good, but I spent almost two weeks shopping around. If you can find a copy of Feb. Sutterbug Magazine (www.shutterbug.net) They do a complete write up. After I finished the article I was convinced I had to have one. This unit will let me spend less time in my darkroom. The Scanner has two light sources and does 35MM 120 and 4X5s.as well as finished prints. There are plenty of scanners that handle 35MM but if need larger format for film positives or negetives your going to pay at least $2500. Andy > >Patience I've got! And hope as well, since you've >obviously overcome your digi-phobia enough to be comfy >w/e-mail. > >Speaking of scans ... What are the latest >recommendations for affordable (say, <$500) home >scanning of 6x7 film? Does anyone have good or bad >experiences to share, with the Epson Perfection series >or otherwise? > >For 35mm I have a low-end Minolta (Dimage Scan Dual), >which does pretty well with 'average' exposures, but >doesn't have the dynamic range for contrasty slides or >negs. I'm sure most of you would demand (or at least >desire) better performance for your big, beautiful KO >images. So I'm eager to hear your critical reviews of >the 'home' MF scanners. > >Eve, what does your friend use? And are you satisfied >with the results? > >-Paul > > >--- Eve Girard wrote: >> Paul, >> >> "Speaking of which ... Got any scans to share, Eve?" >> >> I always shudder at this question. Clive has >> already gently prodded me on >> that subject. I simply loathe the process of >> scanning my work. I have a >> dear friend who does scan for me, but she is in some >> family distress right >> now and to ask would be a burden for her. Patience, >> Grasshopper! I know I >> sound as mis-trusting as a primitive who is afraid a >> photo will steal his >> spirit. >> Eve >> ----- >> _______________________________________________ >> > KOML mailing list >> > KOML@koni-omega.org >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> KOML mailing list >> KOML@koni-omega.org >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >KOML mailing list >KOML@koni-omega.org >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml -- From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 3 16:44:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Kim Hartshorn) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? Message-ID: <01KIHQX4F6AQ0009PA@plattsburgh.edu> Date sent: 3-JUN-2002 11:39:07 single eh? honestly i had forgotten i had subscribed to this list, just discovered the koni's this year from looking on ebay for other stuff (speed graphics actually) and since have acquired a 200 with only the standard lense and a 100 and a rapid body and a stuck lens i am hoping to fix... finally got off my butt and got the chemistry and developed my first two rolls the other night. I like the format quite a bit... Hope to be using it quite a bit more this summer. maybe the reason there is so little traffic on the list is the beautiful simplicity of the camera :-) still kicking myself for the ebay that got away....a 200 with 3 lenses and two backs that went "buy it now" for $150!!! come back please!!!!! Kim From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 4 22:34:53 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jon Fjortoft) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:34:53 -0500 Subject: [KOML] (no subject) Message-ID: Thanks all (2.000832) for your comments on the benefits of using a = Koni---I gave my local camera store a call and they're holding the Rapid M = for me to pick up. Got them down to $200. Eve, you ran on long enough to = clinch it for me. Also, I appreciate your offer to "buy it". Golly, I was = really touched. But this time I'll pay for it myself. Jon >>> evegir@reachone.com 06/04/02 02:46PM >>> "Perhaps you could talk me into spending the $225 to get it. Jon" How bout we do it this way - you tell me where it is and I'LL buy it! Seriously, it will be the best fun you've ever had for the money to say nothing of the best value. The lenses are unbeatable, the complete system is small (not like a "complete" Nikon system) and affordable, the cameras are intuitive to use and Eve is running on and on . . . See if your shop will give you a trial period that will allow you to run a roll or two thru the camera. Have an shot list in your head before you start so as not to waste time. Go out and enjoy. Remember, the 2.000832 people on this list are never wrong! (please note that IS a decimal) Eve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org=20 http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 7 00:36:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Kim Hartshorn) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin .../ MF film scanners Message-ID: <01KIMEEB2PLQ000FDQ@plattsburgh.edu> Date sent: 6-JUN-2002 19:34:21 just bought a visioneer 8820...unfortuantely it is being discontinued... fortunately that meant it was only $69.00 it will scan up to 5x7 transparencies with built in transparency head.... but one i am dying to try....is to get a nice piece of ground glass and enlarge my negatives onto the groundglass with my D2 and then scan! if i ever try it i will let you know :-) Kim From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 10 20:01:10 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Sjostrom, Joseph W.) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:01:10 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Before I Spend $300 Message-ID: <721A1248166F894289971A4E69B3874401777B0F@erd-tt-mb2> Dear Subscribers, I've been shopping Ebay and Chicago-area camera stores for a model M or 200 to take on a trip to Egypt in November, and before I spend the $300, I wonder if you'd give me the benefit of your eperience. Knowledgeable friends tell me not to bother with medium format at all. Just use ASA 25 Kokachrome in my 35 mm camera, they say, and the results will be indistinguishable from medium format. Slow-speed 35 mm film is what they use in National Geographic, and their pictures look pretty good, my friends say, and besides I'll have less weight to lug around. I frankly don't mind the extra weight, thanks to the Nautilus machines at the YMCA. And when I blow up a shot of the pyramids to 8x10, I want to see every darn rock on the pile. But I don't want to throw money away on buying camera if all I really need is a three dollar roll of Kodachrome. Well, what do you think? On an 8x10 5x7 blowup will I be able to tell the difference? How about on a 5x7? Thanks, Joe From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 11 02:14:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:14:44 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Before I Spend $300 In-Reply-To: <721A1248166F894289971A4E69B3874401777B0F@erd-tt-mb2> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610211113.02389ec0@pop.mindspring.com> At 03:01 PM 6/10/2002, you wrote: >Dear Subscribers, > I've been shopping Ebay and Chicago-area camera stores for a model M or >200 to take on a trip to Egypt in November, and before I spend the $300, I >wonder if you'd give me the benefit of your eperience. > Knowledgeable friends tell me not to bother with medium format at all. >Just use ASA 25 Kokachrome in my 35 mm camera, they say, and the results >will be indistinguishable from medium format. Slow-speed 35 mm film is what >they use in National Geographic, and their pictures look pretty good, my >friends say, and besides I'll have less weight to lug around. > I frankly don't mind the extra weight, thanks to the Nautilus machines at >the YMCA. And when I blow up a shot of the pyramids to 8x10, I want to see >every darn rock on the pile. But I don't want to throw money away on buying >camera if all I really need is a three dollar roll of Kodachrome. > Well, what do you think? On an 8x10 5x7 blowup will I be able to tell the >difference? How about on a 5x7? First problem is that K25 is discontinued - if you can't find it now you won't ever find it. No, you can't have any of the two bricks in my 'fridge, either :) 8x10? Yeah, a nice slow slide film will do that pretty well in 35mm. But if you get a to-die-for shot you want to make a 16x20, all bets are off. Besides, I bet a Koni would perplex the bejeebers out of the airport security folks...I know that a Retina IIIC certainly can :) -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html You glorify the past when the future dries up - Bono From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 11 03:22:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:22:41 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Before I Spend $300 References: <721A1248166F894289971A4E69B3874401777B0F@erd-tt-mb2> Message-ID: <3D055EF0.D53F44B@earthlink.net> Your friends may be knowledgeable, but they obviously have`nt done much side-by-side comparison of 35mm vs 120 (specifically 6x7) format.Since you have to crop 35 almost all the time, and 6x7 hardly ever, you`re talking approx. 5 times more image area with 6x7.Ray Charles could see the difference here! If you`re going to limit yourself to 5x7 or 8x10, then 35mm with good slow film will suffice.However, by 11x14, 35mm is sucking wind, and you can fuggedaboudit from there.On the other hand, some nicely exposed Velvia in 6x7 will yield 24x30 or even 30 x40 inch prints with stunning clarity and detail.You may only get to Egypt once, so do it right.On second thought, just send me a ticket, and I`ll take the photos for you! Robert P.S. those photogs from National Geographic all use 400mm f/2.8 lenses that cost $6000....... "Sjostrom, Joseph W." wrote: > Dear Subscribers, > I've been shopping Ebay and Chicago-area camera stores for a model M or > 200 to take on a trip to Egypt in November, and before I spend the $300, I > wonder if you'd give me the benefit of your eperience. > Knowledgeable friends tell me not to bother with medium format at all. > Just use ASA 25 Kokachrome in my 35 mm camera, they say, and the results > will be indistinguishable from medium format. Slow-speed 35 mm film is what > they use in National Geographic, and their pictures look pretty good, my > friends say, and besides I'll have less weight to lug around. > I frankly don't mind the extra weight, thanks to the Nautilus machines at > the YMCA. And when I blow up a shot of the pyramids to 8x10, I want to see > every darn rock on the pile. But I don't want to throw money away on buying > camera if all I really need is a three dollar roll of Kodachrome. > Well, what do you think? On an 8x10 5x7 blowup will I be able to tell the > difference? How about on a 5x7? > Thanks, > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 11 08:26:27 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Before I Spend $300 In-Reply-To: <721A1248166F894289971A4E69B3874401777B0F@erd-tt-mb2> Message-ID: <20020611072627.93739.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> > Well, what do you think? On an 8x10 5x7 blowup > will I be able to tell the > difference? How about on a 5x7? > Thanks, > Joe > > Joe, Begging your indulgence and that of the group, below are some rather lengthy quotes from other forums (fora?) explaining why even at 8x10, the best 35mm images really do NOT equal a decent MF image. They say it better than I could. -Paul Reese ___________________ rmonagha@smu.edu (Robert Monaghan) wrote: Consider a 35mm image of a subject vs. a 6x7cm shot. Same subject is say 0.1mm square on 35mm, about 0.2mm square on 6x7cm (70/36=1.9+; 56/24=2.3). So you have about 4 times the area/number of grains on 6x7, so you can delineate where a line or subject edge is more precisely (hence, greater accutance or edge definition). Now with four times the grains (cf pixels) you get 4 times more info, finer and larger array of mid-range tones. On 35mm only one grain "votes" black/white; on 6x7cm, four grains "vote", each black/white, so net effect is to give a range of possible grey tones where 35mm was limited to just one grain (black/white). Hence medium format has "opened up" the black shadows seen on 35mm with more grey rather than black/white effect. Make sense? Same true of going to LF from MF - more shadow detail, same reason. My 35mm shots block up more easily than my medium format shots, so when I have a subject where shadow detail is important, I tend to reach for medium format.... Bob, Like many others here, I shoot in both 35mm and medium format. I contend that MF also records more highlight detail - for exactly the same reasons you explained for shadow detail. I think improved shadow detail is simply more noticeable because highlights often don't have much detail to begin with. For example, if your picture is of a white automobile or a white refrigerator - what detail is there to look for? However, some highlights do have quite a lot of detail. Best example I can think of is a bride in her white wedding dress. At the threshhold of over-exposure, medium format will show more detail in a white wedding dress than you can get with 35mm. Maybe this is just one more reason for shooting weddings with medium format instead of 35mm. Gene Windell _________________ (And from another post by Gene:) The improvement is all across the spectrum. But it just seems more noticeable and obvious in the shadow detail, and this is naturally what people most often comment on. I've noticed that the range of color gradation in the subject matter is not nearly so great in my studio work as it is outdoors. I see a bigger difference in mid-tone color gradation, between MF and 35mm, when shooting outdoor scenics. In studio work, a painted canvas or muslin backdrop is used along with seamless paper rolls. Put a solid colored object in front of this type of backdrop, and there isn't much color tone gradation to begin with. But outdoors in bright sunlight, the improvement in mid-tone color gradation becomes quite obvious. I've found that 35mm can equal the results of medium format at the 8X10 enlargement size, but only under ideal conditions. First, the exposure of the 35mm film must be precisely accurate. Second, the lighting must be somewhat less than full high contrast. Third, bright highlights and dense shadows must be absent from the scene. Fourth, the image must be precisely focused. And finally, the 35mm camera must be mounted on a tripod or electronic flash used as the main light source. Unfortunately, all of these factors are seldom combined under the conditions where 35mm cameras are most often used. When a negative is enlarged, it is not just the scene that is increased in size. The photographer's mistakes such as focusing and exposure errors are enlarged as well, and made more obvious. Because it is magnified to a smaller degree than 35mm to achieve the same sized print, medium format negatives are more forgiving of the photographer's technical errors. In the final analysis, I believe much less precision in technique is required to produce technically excellent photos from MF than 35mm. I believe the lazy and complacent photographer would get more impressive results by investing his money in a medium format camera instead of a computerized 35mm SLR. I've tried it both ways, and this has been my experience. Gene Windell ______________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 11 08:29:05 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin .../ MF film scanners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020611072905.50099.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to Andy, Barbara, Tom, Eve, and everyone else for your feedback on this. The Perfection 2450 is tempting ... I'd better get out there and make some good 6x7 images this summer to justify it! :-) -Paul --- Andrew Mcgee wrote: > >Hi Paul: > > I just installed the Epson Perfection 2450 and so > far the results > have been excellent. I have been using B&W > Negatives, only so it will > take a few weeks to let you know how I do with > color. > > The listed price is close to $500 but if you shop > around you can > get it for a lot less. My epson cost me $385 > deliversd. Sounds good, > but I spent almost two weeks shopping around. > > If you can find a copy of Feb. Sutterbug Magazine > > (www.shutterbug.net) They do a complete write up. > After I finished > the article I was convinced I had to have one. This > unit will let me > spend less time in my darkroom. The Scanner has two > light sources and > does 35MM 120 and 4X5s.as well as finished prints. > There are plenty > of scanners that handle 35MM but if need larger > format for film > positives or negetives your going to pay at least > $2500. > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Patience I've got! And hope as well, since you've > >obviously overcome your digi-phobia enough to be > comfy > >w/e-mail. > > > >Speaking of scans ... What are the latest > >recommendations for affordable (say, <$500) home > >scanning of 6x7 film? Does anyone have good or bad > >experiences to share, with the Epson Perfection > series > >or otherwise? > > > >For 35mm I have a low-end Minolta (Dimage Scan > Dual), > >which does pretty well with 'average' exposures, > but > >doesn't have the dynamic range for contrasty slides > or > >negs. I'm sure most of you would demand (or at > least > >desire) better performance for your big, beautiful > KO > >images. So I'm eager to hear your critical reviews > of > >the 'home' MF scanners. > > > >Eve, what does your friend use? And are you > satisfied > >with the results? > > > >-Paul > > > > > >--- Eve Girard wrote: > >> Paul, > >> > >> "Speaking of which ... Got any scans to share, > Eve?" > >> > >> I always shudder at this question. Clive has > >> already gently prodded me on > >> that subject. I simply loathe the process of > >> scanning my work. I have a > >> dear friend who does scan for me, but she is in > some > >> family distress right > >> now and to ask would be a burden for her. > Patience, > >> Grasshopper! I know I > >> sound as mis-trusting as a primitive who is > afraid a > >> photo will steal his > >> spirit. > >> Eve > >> ----- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > KOML mailing list > >> > KOML@koni-omega.org > >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> KOML mailing list > >> KOML@koni-omega.org > >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >KOML mailing list > >KOML@koni-omega.org > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 11 08:45:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Before I Spend $300 - P.S. In-Reply-To: <721A1248166F894289971A4E69B3874401777B0F@erd-tt-mb2> Message-ID: <20020611074547.92543.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Sjostrom, Joseph W." wrote: > Slow-speed 35 mm film is what > they use in National Geographic, and their pictures > look pretty good, my > friends say, and besides I'll have less weight to > lug around. > I frankly don't mind the extra weight, thanks to > the Nautilus machines at > the YMCA. Joe, The theoretical advantages of MF notwithstanding, the best system is the one that you'll actually use. Weight isn't the only issue. 35mm has very significant advantages in speed and versatility. If you end up shooting fewer subjects because of the inconveniences of changing the Koni lenses, the more frequent film changes, or the absence of a zoom ... then I'd say it's the wrong choice. Unfortunately, you won't know whether you'll actually use a Koni system under travel conditions until you try it. So you'd have to commit the $300, then carry your new system on a day-long hike or urban trek, and see how it feels to use it. But the downside isn't bad. Even if you decide not to carry it overseas, you'll have a great MF camera for local drive-and-shoots! I say, try it! -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 11 15:46:51 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jason Marten) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:46:51 +0000 Subject: [KOML] Before I Spend $300 Message-ID: Just a few comments about Joseph's trip to Egypt... I was there in May, had a blast! Felt safe (as an American) and got to see some incredible things. I'm glad you get the chance to go. I didn't take my Koni system with me (90mm and 58mm lenses), however, opting for a to-remain-nameless TLR instead, that I wasn't worried about losing or abusing (plus, it's a little smaller). Looking back, however, my fears were ungrounded. I could have brought any camera system without any worries (no problems with sand, either). I haven't blown up anything bigger than 8x10 (so far, at least!) but the pictures are incredible! I was with a few friends, who brought their all-automatic/no-brainer 35mm's, and I can totally see the quality difference between their small format and my MF pics. I brought a wide assortment of film, and even with multiple X-ray scans (several times at the airport, as well as famous tourist attractions like the Egyptian Museum), I had no problem. Anywhere outside you'll have plenty of light (I had lots of ISO 50 chromes), although you might want something faster for inside things (I brought ISO 400, still no problems with all the X-rays). In some areas, the air can be quite dirty, I didn't really care for those super color saturated films in those cases, but out towards the desert, everything can be close to the same color! If you do bring your Koni (or whatever you decide on) you'll probably want to consider getting a wide angle lens. With my TLR, I didn't have one, and could have used it in quite a few places. A lot of the temples between Luxor and Aswan (definite must-sees!) are crowded with tourists (even last month, when it was pretty darn hot), which means you'll probably need to get up close to your subjects. I didn't really need a longer lens than normal (but that might just be my preferences). Also, be aware that you won't be able to use a flash in most places (like museums, and the valley of the kings). Koni lenses aren't the fastest, here I was longing for at least f/2 or below! You can bring tripods in to some places, but they will often charge extra for it (I can't remember, but I think it was around 5-10 USD). In the museum I often put my camera on a display case (or the ground) and used a cable release. If you get the Koni, make sure your cable release has a long enough throw to trip the shutter (one of mine just barely makes it on the Koni, I have to press down really hard and it's an inconvenience). I also got a cheapo monopod that collapses real small into my backpack, which also had "legs" on the side to work as a tabletop tripod. This was very useful for the various "Sound and Light" shows I went to (very cool, they light up the temples/pyramids/etc at night in different colors while explaining things, be sure you have color film and a tripod and a front row seat or nobody in front of you to avoid heads getting in the way!). Overall, I had a great time, and was glad I brought my MF gear with tons of film. Don't hesitate to bring a Koni, but try to get the wide angle lens before you go! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 11 20:00:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:00:14 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Before I Spend $300 In-Reply-To: <20020611072627.93739.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <721A1248166F894289971A4E69B3874401777B0F@erd-tt-mb2> Message-ID: <3D06107E.29329.3E9BE9A@localhost> > > Well, what do you think? On an 8x10 5x7 blowup > > will I be able to tell the > > difference? How about on a 5x7? > > Thanks, > > Joe At common viewing distances (18") with common eyes (20-20), an 8x10 from a good 35 and a good Medium Format camera are indistinguishable if a fine grain film is used. Our eyes are only so good. If you want bigger enlargements, or invite closer scrutiny, or crop, or use faster films, MF will produce a clearer, sharper picture. If you want more flexibility in lens choices, macro accessories, motor drives, or film emulsions, or if you like light weight or low cost, 35 has the advantage. There's always 4x5 and 8x10 etc. for greater quality - and less convenience. Tom ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 11 21:06:45 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:06:45 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Before I Spend $300 References: <721A1248166F894289971A4E69B3874401777B0F@erd-tt-mb2> Message-ID: <018d01c21183$83a7dec0$56fde1cf@evegirard> Joe, I think the format that you choose is a matter of end use choice. If you just want 8x10 and nothing more, pardon my heresy, why step up? If you're a picture-taker - stay with 35mm. If you are interested in the craft of photography and want to explore its boundaries and expanded fields, then, by all means, move up! I don't mean to sound simplistic, but there is a bottom-line here. I would question the knowledge of your "knowledgable friends" as well. What is their experience? What is their own work? Are they gadgeteers or photographers? (and if they were THAT knowledgeable, they'd know of the demise of the fabled Kodachrome) The "best" photographer is not neccessarily the one festooned with gear. The "best" format is not neccessarily the one that incurs the highest cost. What is your intended subject base? Are you doing action, sports, things that move? If so, you may want to stay with 35. (Not to say you can't with K O, but that's another story . . .) What is the sense, the core of your work? What is is about? These are the questions that should be considered as well. All things considered, the recent Lewis-Tyson fight answers this question from a technical standpoint. A great big man will beat a great little man damn' near every time! The "weight" issue is a non-starter IMHO. I used to lug a Nikon rig that would make a pack mule swoon. The K O system is no big deal. I'm sure the other women on this list would agree that inflated pecs, lats and abs are not needed to utilize the camera to perfection. Just, for Pete's sake, don't carry it around your neck! Our bodies are not built for that kind of abuse! So, if you want to go MF, the K O is a very sweet place to begin. Try it. Use it. Learn it. Go to Egypt and bring back images of the sand on the pyramids. If you hand hold very well, perhaps you'll find imposing images of the lice upon the sand fleas upon the stone of the pyramids, but, that too, is another story . . . Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sjostrom, Joseph W." To: Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: [KOML] Before I Spend $300 > Dear Subscribers, > I've been shopping Ebay and Chicago-area camera stores for a model M or > 200 to take on a trip to Egypt in November, and before I spend the $300, I > wonder if you'd give me the benefit of your eperience. > Knowledgeable friends tell me not to bother with medium format at all. > Just use ASA 25 Kokachrome in my 35 mm camera, they say, and the results > will be indistinguishable from medium format. Slow-speed 35 mm film is what > they use in National Geographic, and their pictures look pretty good, my > friends say, and besides I'll have less weight to lug around. > I frankly don't mind the extra weight, thanks to the Nautilus machines at > the YMCA. And when I blow up a shot of the pyramids to 8x10, I want to see > every darn rock on the pile. But I don't want to throw money away on buying > camera if all I really need is a three dollar roll of Kodachrome. > Well, what do you think? On an 8x10 5x7 blowup will I be able to tell the > difference? How about on a 5x7? > Thanks, > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 11 21:16:29 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:16:29 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? Message-ID: Hey Kim, Dang! Yep, I'd be kicking myself too. How come I never run across these deals? Jeesh! ....people picking up a Koni 200 for $25 at a garage sale!!! sigh... Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Kim Hartshorn [mailto:w.hartshorn@plattsburgh.edu] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:44 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? (snip) still kicking myself for the ebay that got away....a 200 with 3 lenses and two backs that went "buy it now" for $150!!! come back please!!!!! Kim From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 11 21:27:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:27:21 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? References: <01KIHQX4F6AQ0009PA@plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: <019901c21186$6496f5e0$56fde1cf@evegirard> Kim, Your first sentence about having forgotten about this list was a sign that silence is NOT golden! I hope well can all bring something to the table this summer! I'm quite glad to hear that you have a couple of cameras and a couple of self-processed rolls under your belt. Marvellous!!! . . . and we all can crabbitch about our lost chances (with Cameras, Clive! Honest!!) That's what keeps us going, I think is partially the thrill of the hunt. Welcome aboard. Let's work very hard to not be forgotten as a list ever again!!!! Eve (still single in WA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hartshorn" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Was that A Pin I heard drop? > Date sent: 3-JUN-2002 11:39:07 > single eh? > > honestly i had forgotten i had subscribed to this list, just discovered the > koni's this year from looking on ebay for other stuff (speed graphics > actually) and since have acquired a 200 with only the standard lense and a > 100 and a rapid body and a stuck lens i am hoping to fix... > > finally got off my butt and got the chemistry and developed my first two > rolls the other night. I like the format quite a bit... > > Hope to be using it quite a bit more this summer. > > > maybe the reason there is so little traffic on the list is the beautiful > simplicity of the camera :-) > > still kicking myself for the ebay that got away....a 200 with 3 lenses and > two backs that went "buy it now" for $150!!! come back please!!!!! > > Kim > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 15 06:28:58 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:28:58 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users Message-ID: <019001c2142d$8cf5d480$0afde1cf@evegirard> I was just wondering - since there is a bit of a break in the frantic KOML action - what metering devices listmembers use? We have had some newcomers to the list; they have started well, but tell us more! I use mostly incident metering plus the seat of my pants when I shoot K O B&W. My old Minolta IIIF is a gem. I usually use my Minolta Spotmeter M for LF work, but that's another list . . . What are the preferences for the rest of you folks? Eve In Washington State Trying hard to stir up stuff again . . . From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 15 06:46:17 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:46:17 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users In-Reply-To: <019001c2142d$8cf5d480$0afde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D0A9C69.31527.24E5EDC@localhost> The Olympus OM2S, OM3, OM3T, OM4, or OM4 makes a fine spot meter, with the bonus that they take pix too. Tom On Friday, June 14, 2002 at 22:28, Eve Girard wrote re "[KOML] Meters and New Users" saying: > I was just wondering - since there is a bit of a break in the frantic > KOML action - what metering devices listmembers use? We have had some > newcomers to the list; they have started well, but tell us more! > I use mostly incident metering plus the seat of my pants when I shoot K > O B&W. My old Minolta IIIF is a gem. I usually use my Minolta Spotmeter M > for LF work, but that's another list . . . > What are the preferences for the rest of you folks? > Eve > In Washington State > Trying hard to stir up stuff again . . . > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 15 10:48:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:48:14 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users In-Reply-To: <3D0A9C69.31527.24E5EDC@localhost> References: <3D0A9C69.31527.24E5EDC@localhost> Message-ID: At 1:46 am -0400 15/6/02, Tom Trottier wrote: >The Olympus OM2S, OM3, OM3T, OM4, or OM4 makes a fine spot meter, with >the bonus that they take pix too. > >Tom Ah, Tom..... good point and if the OM list wasn't so busy I would still be there! Still pop the OM1 in travel bag if reportage is the only option on a business trip. I use an analogue Pentax spot meter and a Gossen incident meter. The Gossen Lunasix Pro is always in the KO kit bag and is probably my favourite meter. For seat of the pants photography with the KO, then no meter and Ilford XP400 - expose until the subject starts to move ;-) Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 15 11:21:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Sjostrom, Joseph W.) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:21:21 -0500 Subject: [KOML] RE: Before I Spend $300 Message-ID: <721A1248166F894289971A4E69B3874401777B1B@erd-tt-mb2> Thanks very much for your replies. (I am the "Sjostrom,Joseph" who posted the original question, re-signed into the list under a different e-mail address due to unintelligible peculiarities of digital communication) Intuitively, it's obvious that a larger negative will make a better picture than a smaller negative, but I asked the question anyway, wondering what non-obvious considerations might also apply. Besides, I've learned in my business (daily journalism) that a dumb question often prompts better insights than a smart one. So thanks to everybody to took the bait..er, rose to the occasion. I have my eye on a couple of model 200 KOs, and hope to close a deal in the next week or so. Then I'll have the summer to learn to use the camera and work out kinks before our trip to Egypt, with a bunch of gynecologists and their spouses, in November. My brother and his wife have been to Egypt, and he says street crime--robbery, theft, etc--is just not done there, and that retail clerks will run down the street after you if you don't take your change or leave something behind. On the other hand, he says, scams of various kinds are a constant concern, such as the cab driver who charges double. Photographicaly speaking, if everything works out, I'll probably take a KO camera and my auto-focus, auto-expose 35 mm Olympus. That way, I'll have one camera to make the most of good opportunities, and another camera to whip out when the gauze-wrapped mummy staggers by. With your indulgence, I will post updates, questions and comments as circumstances warrant. Joe Sjostrom Oak Park IL From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 15 12:13:28 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Joe Sjostrom) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:13:28 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 Message-ID: <1B46D2AA.4CEBD84C.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Thanks very much for your replies. (I am the "Sjostrom,Joseph" who posted the original question, re-signed into the list under a different e-mail address due to unintelligible peculiarities of digital communication) Intuitively, it's obvious that a larger negative will make a better picture than a smaller negative, but I asked the question anyway, wondering what non-obvious considerations might also apply. Besides, I've learned in my business (daily journalism) that a dumb question often prompts better insights than a smart one. So thanks to everybody to took the bait..er, rose to the occasion. I have my eye on a couple of model 200 KOs, and hope to close a deal in the next week or so. Then I'll have the summer to learn to use the camera and work out kinks before our trip to Egypt, with a bunch of gynecologists and their spouses, in November. My brother and his wife have been to Egypt, and he says street crime--robbery, theft, etc--is just not done there, and that retail clerks will run down the street after you if you don't take your change or leave something behind. On the other hand, he says, scams of various kinds are a constant concern, such as the cab driver who charges double. Photographicaly speaking, if everything works out, I'll probably take a KO camera and my auto-focus, auto-expose 35 mm Olympus. That way, I'll have one camera to make the most of good opportunities, and another camera to whip out when the gauze-wrapped mummy staggers by. With your indulgence, I will post updates, questions and comments as circumstances warrant. Joe Sjostrom Oak Park IL __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 15 13:06:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:06:23 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users In-Reply-To: <019001c2142d$8cf5d480$0afde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615080435.023f6d90@pop.mindspring.com> At 01:28 AM 6/15/2002, you wrote: > I was just wondering - since there is a bit of a break in the frantic >KOML action - what metering devices listmembers use? We have had some >newcomers to the list; they have started well, but tell us more! > I use mostly incident metering plus the seat of my pants when I shoot K >O B&W. My old Minolta IIIF is a gem. I usually use my Minolta Spotmeter M >for LF work, but that's another list . . . > What are the preferences for the rest of you folks? This: http://www.cameraquest.com/voivcmet.htm - it's tiny and easy to use. I use it on my Koni and on my rangefinders...I shoot slide film in the rangefinders and get great exposures. -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html You glorify the past when the future dries up - Bono From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 15 14:21:02 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:21:02 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615080435.023f6d90@pop.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615080435.023f6d90@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 8:06 am -0400 15/6/02, Craig Zeni wrote: > >This: http://www.cameraquest.com/voivcmet.htm - it's tiny and easy to use. > >I use it on my Koni and on my rangefinders...I shoot slide film in >the rangefinders and get great exposures. Oh, a new toy! OK then, I'll bite - how much are they? Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 15 14:51:20 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:51:20 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615080435.023f6d90@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020615080435.023f6d90@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615094955.021901f0@pop.mindspring.com> At 09:21 AM 6/15/2002, you wrote: >At 8:06 am -0400 15/6/02, Craig Zeni wrote: >> >>This: http://www.cameraquest.com/voivcmet.htm - it's tiny and easy to use. >> >>I use it on my Koni and on my rangefinders...I shoot slide film in the >>rangefinders and get great exposures. > >Oh, a new toy! > >OK then, I'll bite - how much are they? Depends on where you buy them - the Camera Quest guy gets about $150 for one... -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html You glorify the past when the future dries up - Bono From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 15 15:20:10 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:20:10 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615080435.023f6d90@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D0B4D1A.6318D8AB@earthlink.net> Tasty little widget, but $150 plus $40 for the strap? Ouch! What`s it made from, Unobtanium?Think I`ll stick with my Polaris Digital, it`s small, easy to use, reads your choice of reflected or incident in tenth-of-a-stop increments, can be used to trigger flash remotely via synch cord (good for setting up multipleflash rigs) or cordless.A lot of bang for the buck.... Robert P.S: Does anyone have any info on the projected archival life of Velvia, or Velvia vs. other contemporary chromes? P.S S.: Eve, many thanks for breathing some fresh air into the group! Clive Warren wrote: > At 8:06 am -0400 15/6/02, Craig Zeni wrote: > > > >This: http://www.cameraquest.com/voivcmet.htm - it's tiny and easy to use. > > > >I use it on my Koni and on my rangefinders...I shoot slide film in > >the rangefinders and get great exposures. > > Oh, a new toy! > > OK then, I'll bite - how much are they? > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 15 15:25:49 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:25:49 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users In-Reply-To: <3D0B4D1A.6318D8AB@earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615080435.023f6d90@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615102317.02192140@pop.mindspring.com> At 10:20 AM 6/15/2002, you wrote: >Tasty little widget, but $150 plus $40 for the strap? Ouch! What`s it made >from, >Unobtanium?Think I`ll stick with my Polaris Digital, it`s small, easy to use, >reads your choice of reflected or incident in tenth-of-a-stop increments, >can be >used to trigger flash remotely via synch cord (good for setting up >multipleflash >rigs) or cordless.A lot of bang for the buck.... The strap is stupid expensive so I never bothered with it. I like the unit as it's positively tiny and slips into the shoe on my 35mm rangefinders and packs nicely in my briefcase. >Robert >P.S: Does anyone have any info on the projected archival life of Velvia, or >Velvia vs. other contemporary chromes? Well, I've got 15+ year old Fujichromes that still look great. Other published data seems to point to 50 years or so... -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html You glorify the past when the future dries up - Bono From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jun 16 01:03:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:03:19 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 References: <1B46D2AA.4CEBD84C.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Message-ID: <000b01c214c9$3c3fee80$7fb3fea9@watavue> Joe....I have lots of Koni gear if you need tele or wide angle, extra backs, complete sets ups..whatever. Jack Smilinjack@tds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Sjostrom" To: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 4:13 AM Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 > Thanks very much for your replies. > (I am the "Sjostrom,Joseph" who posted the original question, re-signed into the list under a different e-mail address due to unintelligible peculiarities of digital communication) > Intuitively, it's obvious that a larger negative will make a better picture than a smaller negative, but I asked the question anyway, wondering what non-obvious considerations might also apply. Besides, I've learned in my business (daily journalism) that a dumb question often prompts better insights than a smart one. So thanks to everybody to took the bait..er, rose to the occasion. > I have my eye on a couple of model 200 KOs, and hope to close a deal in the next week or so. Then I'll have the summer to learn to use the camera and work out kinks before our trip to Egypt, with a bunch of gynecologists and their spouses, in November. > My brother and his wife have been to Egypt, and he says street crime--robbery, theft, etc--is just not done there, and that retail clerks will run down the street after you if you don't take your change or leave something behind. On the other hand, he says, scams of various kinds are a constant concern, such as the cab driver who charges double. > Photographicaly speaking, if everything works out, I'll probably take a KO camera and my auto-focus, auto-expose 35 mm Olympus. That way, I'll have one camera to make the most of good opportunities, and another camera to whip out when the gauze-wrapped mummy staggers by. > With your indulgence, I will post updates, questions and comments as circumstances warrant. > Joe Sjostrom > Oak Park IL > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jun 16 11:16:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:16:18 EDT Subject: [KOML] RE: Before I Spend $300 Message-ID: <4c.d011216.2a3dbf72@aol.com> Why do you suppose it is that cabbies are "smarter" than store clerks? From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jun 16 14:37:05 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:37:05 -0400 Subject: [KOML] RE: Before I Spend $300 References: <4c.d011216.2a3dbf72@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D0C9480.8E3C1A73@earthlink.net> Based on personal observation, cabbies in third-world and near-third world countries are, out of necessity, natural-born hustlers and great sources of information. Robert PRaeS@aol.com wrote: > Why do you suppose it is that cabbies are "smarter" than store clerks? > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 17 03:27:57 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (P. RENNER) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:27:57 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615080435.023f6d90@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020615102317.02192140@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D0D492D.318C242F@bellatlantic.net> I just stick to using the meter in my canon a2 - very accurate & I have more choices in film. From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 17 04:38:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:38:13 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615080435.023f6d90@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020615102317.02192140@pop.mindspring.com> <3D0D492D.318C242F@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: <3D0D59A5.12ADED80@earthlink.net> Um, maybe you did`nt notice, but this is the KONI-OMEGA list. Robert "P. RENNER" wrote: > I just stick to using the meter in my canon a2 - very accurate & I have more > choices in film. > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 17 04:49:59 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:49:59 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615080435.023f6d90@pop.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020615102317.02192140@pop.mindspring.com> <3D0D492D.318C242F@bellatlantic.net> <3D0D59A5.12ADED80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <010f01c215b2$0df95040$8afde1cf@evegirard> . . . and why do I get the feeling the trusty Canon never gets out of "Auto" mode? P. Renner's comment does miss the point of how photographic skills are used in conjunction with Koni Omega cameras. How we meter then was my question to begin with; I really don't think a fully automatic anything is relevant here. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Meters and New Users > Um, maybe you did`nt notice, but this is the KONI-OMEGA list. > Robert > > "P. RENNER" wrote: > > > I just stick to using the meter in my canon a2 - very accurate & I have more > > choices in film. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 17 12:06:57 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jonathan King) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:06:57 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users In-Reply-To: <3D0A9C69.31527.24E5EDC@localhost> Message-ID: I went the "35mm camera as a light meter" route, but in the end I= felt that it slowed me down, and was just confusing, although I would think= the OM series would be optimum camera/meter to bring along. Extra= weight too, but the non-metered cameras I was using then were lighter than a KO= -I'm not sure I'd notice as much now ;) A related story would explain why, if I bring multiple cameras,= they all have the same speed film( Provia 100 at ASA25 =3D ugly!), so it= might just be me. I've used a Gossen luna pro SBC & and now use a Sekonic 508. I= use the flash meter features, so it is a good all-in-one tool. To anyone= who hasn't used one, an incident meter can be a real time saver in= many situations. >>Trying hard to stir up stuff again . . Keep stirring, Eve! Jon On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:46:17 -0400, Tom Trottier wrote: >The Olympus OM2S, OM3, OM3T, OM4, or OM4 makes a fine spot= meter, with >the bonus that they take pix too. > >Tom > From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 17 12:57:20 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:57:20 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Auto-Up #1 and #2 Message-ID: Has anyone used the Auto-Up close-up attachments and lenses in anger? Whilst sorting out some boxes of kit at the weekend I came across mine and started to think back to occasions when I really did need them out in the field. There was only one really important shot (to me) that had me cursing and wishing that one of the Auto-ups was in the kit bag. This was at Kodachrome Basin in Utah. There was a cactus in wonderful red flowering mode and I couldn't get close enough even with the 58mm attached. The edge distortion from the 58mm was simply too intrusive for the shot to work for me so I resorted to moving back with the 90mm. I shoot only trannies in colour so this was a bit of a compromise and meant that I couldn't use the full frame for the composition to work. Guess it could've been done with B&W and some hand colouring on a print from a selective area enlargement. Had I thought of that at the time........ Has anyone looked at the quality of images taken with the Auto-Up compared to using prime lenses alone? Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 17 14:06:34 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:06:34 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users Message-ID: I'm often carrying a couple few cameras, and so I've also used the camera light meter trick if I'm carrying an SLR with a non-metered camera. But since I usually have different film in the different cameras, I end up making a lot of mistakes that way, so now I usually carry a separate meter. I have an old Gossen Multibeam Electronic that I really like. I picked it up used for about $30, and I've never seen another one. It's switchable between three field-of-view angles - 30, 20, and 10 deg., with a little built-in waist-level viewfinder to show the three metering areas. Has an old cadmium sulfide cell, but it has a bridge circuit so it just uses regular AAs (which means it's a bit on the heavy side). It's the turn-the-dial-until-the-two-lights-are-the-same-brightness kind, which I find very fast to set and read. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan King [mailto:jking_nh@charter.net] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:07 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] Meters and New Users I went the "35mm camera as a light meter" route, but in the end I felt that it slowed me down, and was just confusing, although I would think the OM series would be optimum camera/meter to bring along. Extra weight too, but the non-metered cameras I was using then were lighter than a KO -I'm not sure I'd notice as much now ;) A related story would explain why, if I bring multiple cameras, they all have the same speed film( Provia 100 at ASA25 = ugly!), so it might just be me. I've used a Gossen luna pro SBC & and now use a Sekonic 508. I use the flash meter features, so it is a good all-in-one tool. To anyone who hasn't used one, an incident meter can be a real time saver in many situations. >>Trying hard to stir up stuff again . . Keep stirring, Eve! Jon On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:46:17 -0400, Tom Trottier wrote: >The Olympus OM2S, OM3, OM3T, OM4, or OM4 makes a fine spot meter, with >the bonus that they take pix too. > >Tom > _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 18 23:31:54 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (P RENNER) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:31:54 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users References: Message-ID: <3D0FB4DA.9060509@bellatlantic.net> well Nancy brown my name is not robert-I do not think that this list is going fall apart if I mention any other type photographic brand in a post.The question posed was ansewered by me in an honest manner .As for Eve I think your sarcastic phrase about not taking my canon meter off auto is wrong & rude.I go between koni ,35mm,pinhole & digital when it pleases me.I use a black cat meter chart @ times also. One thing I have always liked about this list is that in the 5 or so years that I have subscribed to it only 1 person stood out as a real thorn in everyones side.Clive & the others are always helpfull & pleasent. It is good to see more action & conversations going on however I hope it is not happening at a cost to the civility that has always been present. It is my hope that we can "stir it up" without putting people down. chip renner From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 18 23:43:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:43:42 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users References: <3D0FB4DA.9060509@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: <01cc01c21719$99d3a1c0$26fde1cf@evegirard> Dear Chip, If I have offended, please forgive! Never my intention. I tend to be outspoken and spend not a little time in warm water! I saw your message as something totally out of context and didn't stop to think that there was a K O connection in there. It has always been my hope to bring this list to a waking state, not a hotbed of slander and innuendo. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "P RENNER" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Meters and New Users > well Nancy brown my name is not robert-I do not think that this list is > going fall apart if I mention any other type photographic brand in a > post.The question posed was ansewered by me in an honest manner .As for > Eve I think your sarcastic phrase about not taking my canon meter off > auto is wrong & rude.I go between koni ,35mm,pinhole & digital when it > pleases me.I use a black cat meter chart @ times also. > One thing I have always liked about this list is that in the 5 or so > years that I have subscribed to it only 1 person stood out as a real > thorn in everyones side.Clive & the others are always helpfull & pleasent. > It is good to see more action & conversations going on however I hope it > is not happening at a cost to the civility that has always been present. > It is my hope that we can "stir it up" without putting people down. > chip renner > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 01:43:06 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:43:06 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users References: <3D0FB4DA.9060509@bellatlantic.net> <01cc01c21719$99d3a1c0$26fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D0FD39A.D22067A7@earthlink.net> Dear Chip, Ditto!!!(Actually, Eve, I don`t mind the slander, it`s the innuendo that hurts!) Robert Eve Girard wrote: > Dear Chip, > If I have offended, please forgive! Never my intention. > I tend to be outspoken and spend not a little time in warm water! I saw > your message as something totally out of context and didn't stop to think > that there was a K O connection in there. > It has always been my hope to bring this list to a waking state, not a > hotbed of slander and innuendo. > Eve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P RENNER" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Meters and New Users > > > well Nancy brown my name is not robert-I do not think that this list is > > going fall apart if I mention any other type photographic brand in a > > post.The question posed was ansewered by me in an honest manner .As for > > Eve I think your sarcastic phrase about not taking my canon meter off > > auto is wrong & rude.I go between koni ,35mm,pinhole & digital when it > > pleases me.I use a black cat meter chart @ times also. > > One thing I have always liked about this list is that in the 5 or so > > years that I have subscribed to it only 1 person stood out as a real > > thorn in everyones side.Clive & the others are always helpfull & pleasent. > > It is good to see more action & conversations going on however I hope it > > is not happening at a cost to the civility that has always been present. > > It is my hope that we can "stir it up" without putting people down. > > chip renner > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 01:52:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:52:13 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Meters and New Users References: <3D0FB4DA.9060509@bellatlantic.net> <01cc01c21719$99d3a1c0$26fde1cf@evegirard> <3D0FD39A.D22067A7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <023201c2172b$8de7b380$26fde1cf@evegirard> Robert, I couldn't agree more re innuendo vs slander. Nothing like inventing a good story when things are slow . . .! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Meters and New Users > Dear Chip, Ditto!!!(Actually, Eve, I don`t mind the slander, it`s the innuendo > that hurts!) > Robert > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > Dear Chip, > > If I have offended, please forgive! Never my intention. > > I tend to be outspoken and spend not a little time in warm water! I saw > > your message as something totally out of context and didn't stop to think > > that there was a K O connection in there. > > It has always been my hope to bring this list to a waking state, not a > > hotbed of slander and innuendo. > > Eve > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "P RENNER" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Meters and New Users > > > > > well Nancy brown my name is not robert-I do not think that this list is > > > going fall apart if I mention any other type photographic brand in a > > > post.The question posed was ansewered by me in an honest manner .As for > > > Eve I think your sarcastic phrase about not taking my canon meter off > > > auto is wrong & rude.I go between koni ,35mm,pinhole & digital when it > > > pleases me.I use a black cat meter chart @ times also. > > > One thing I have always liked about this list is that in the 5 or so > > > years that I have subscribed to it only 1 person stood out as a real > > > thorn in everyones side.Clive & the others are always helpfull & pleasent. > > > It is good to see more action & conversations going on however I hope it > > > is not happening at a cost to the civility that has always been present. > > > It is my hope that we can "stir it up" without putting people down. > > > chip renner > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 10:18:03 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Joe Sjostrom) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 05:18:03 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 Message-ID: <17ADA065.6361E622.0FC55E76@netscape.net>    Yesterday I dropped a check in the mail for purchase of a nice clean model 200 with a 90 lens, and hopefully within a week I will be unpacking the camera and loading a roll of film. I paid $200 for it, not $300, which is good, but I guess I still need to buy a flash cord.    Thanks to Craig, Nancy, Paul, Tom, Eve, Jason, Jack, for your comments and suggestions. Time and thought was obvious in your messages.   So here's another question: can you recommend a film that has good Koni compatability?     Your messages have mentioned these films: Ilford XP2 (b&w, process C41, according to Ilford's website) Ilford Delta 400 (b&w, conventional b&w chemistry, according to Ilford's website) Fuji Velvia and Provia 100F (color transparency, process E6, according to Fuji's website)   On a light table, photo quality is easier (for me) to judge from a positive transparency than from a negative. But it's not really practical to project slides bigger than 35mm, and I've always heard you get better prints from negatives than from positives.     Am I the only one who still uses Kodak film? For the last 15 years I've been shooting Kodak 200 print film in 35mm, with no grounds for complaint.   Any suggestions? Somebody please tell me what to do! Thanks again, Joe Sjostrom __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 11:04:22 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Joe Sjostrom) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:04:22 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 -- read this one Message-ID: <12825105.6AAA670B.0FC55E76@netscape.net> (This will correct, I hope, the previous message's display of each paragraph in an unbroken line off the screen to the right) Yesterday I dropped a check in the mail for purchase of a nice clean model 200 with a 90 lens, and hopefully within a week I will be unpacking the camera and loading a roll of film. I paid $200 for it, not $300, which is good, but I guess I still need to buy a flash cord. Thanks to Craig, Nancy, Paul, Tom, Eve, Jason, Jack, for your comments and suggestions. Time and thought was obvious in your messages. So here's another question: can you recommend a film that has good Koni compatability? Your messages have mentioned these films: Ilford XP2 (b&w, process C41, according to Ilford's website) Ilford Delta 400 (b&w, conventional b&w chemistry, according to Ilford's website) Fuji Velvia and Provia 100F (color transparency, process E6, according to Fuji's website) On a light table, photo quality is easier (for me) to judge from a positive transparency than from a negative. But it's not really practical to project slides bigger than 35mm, and I've always heard you get better prints from negatives than from positives. Am I the only one who still uses Kodak film? For the last 15 years I've been shooting Kodak 200 print film in 35mm, with no grounds for complaint. Any suggestions? Somebody please tell me what to do! Thanks again, Joe Sjostrom __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 11:07:26 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:07:26 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 In-Reply-To: <17ADA065.6361E622.0FC55E76@netscape.net> References: <17ADA065.6361E622.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Message-ID: > =DD =DDYesterday I dropped a check in the mail for purchase of a nice >clean model 200 with a 90 lens, and hopefully within a week I will >be unpacking the camera and loading a roll of film. I paid $200 for >it, not $300, which is good, but I guess I still need to buy a flash >cord. > =DD =DDThanks to Craig, Nancy, Paul, Tom, Eve, Jason, Jack, for your >comments and suggestions. Time and thought was obvious in your >messages. > =DD So here's another question: can you recommend a film that has >good Koni compatability? =DD =DD > Your messages have mentioned these films: >Ilford XP2 (b&w, process C41, according to Ilford's website) >Ilford Delta 400 (b&w, conventional b&w chemistry, according to >Ilford's website) >Fuji Velvia and Provia 100F (color transparency, process E6, >according to Fuji's website) > =DD On a light table, photo quality is easier (for me) to judge from >a positive transparency than from a negative. But it's not really >practical to project slides bigger than 35mm, and I've always heard >you get better prints from negatives than from positives. =DD > =DD Am I the only one who still uses Kodak film? For the last 15 >years I've been shooting Kodak 200 print film in 35mm, with no >grounds for complaint. > =DD Any suggestions? Somebody please tell me what to do! >Thanks again, >Joe Sjostrom Joe, You haven't said whether you have an enlarger that will take your 6x7 negs. Am guessing not as you say that you have been a 35mm shooter for the last 15 years. There's nothing wrong with Kodak 200 print film - I use it and have used it regularly for at least as long as yourself! The thing is that print film can be exposed anywhere within a band of around 5 to 7 stops from what the manufacture specified and you will still get a result. The quick print lab will then be able to pop a usable print in your hands within the hour! Shooting trannies needs more discipline in exposure and you will, I promise, be rewarded when you see the results on a lightbox. So, my advice is to buy a couple of rolls of Provia and Velvia and do some bracketing test shots making notes as to exposure, aperture, meter reading etc. Get them developed, place on lightbox - get over the wow! factor and check your notes against the photos. So forget B&W for the time being unless you use XP2 - which as you say is a C41 process so you can have your local friendly pro. lab make some prints for you. You can always have scans made of your negs and print using inkjet or pro photographic processes. Talking of prints - you can have your negs or trannies scanned at a pro lab (drum is better but more expensive) and wonderful photographic prints made using some Fuji printing technology. There is no problem printing from trannies. Back in the good ol' days (two years ago) most pro labs used cibachrome and ilfochrome printing techniques that often suffered from rather stark contrast - home printers using internegs often ended up with problems controlling the contrast. Today, Fuji technology can produce wonderful photographic prints from your trannies! Hope this helps, Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 18:52:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 (film recommend'ns) In-Reply-To: <17ADA065.6361E622.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20020619175219.7890.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> --- Joe Sjostrom wrote: >    Yesterday I dropped a check in the mail for > purchase of a nice clean model 200 with a 90 lens, > and hopefully within a week I will be unpacking the > camera and loading a roll of film. I paid $200 for > it, not $300, which is good, but I guess I still > need to buy a flash cord. >    Thanks to Craig, Nancy, Paul, Tom, Eve, Jason, > Jack, for your comments and suggestions. Time and > thought was obvious in your messages. >   So here's another question: can you recommend a > film that has good Koni compatability?     > Your messages have mentioned these films: > Ilford XP2 (b&w, process C41, according to Ilford's > website) > Ilford Delta 400 (b&w, conventional b&w chemistry, > according to Ilford's website) > Fuji Velvia and Provia 100F (color transparency, > process E6, according to Fuji's website) >   On a light table, photo quality is easier (for > me) to judge from a positive transparency than from > a negative. But it's not really practical to project > slides bigger than 35mm, and I've always heard you > get better prints from negatives than from > positives.   >   Am I the only one who still uses Kodak film? For > the last 15 years I've been shooting Kodak 200 print > film in 35mm, with no grounds for complaint. >   Any suggestions? Somebody please tell me what to > do! > Thanks again, > Joe Sjostrom > > > Joe, I'll take the bait again. And I'll echo Clive's sentiments about the rewards of shooting transparencies. Even if you don't have a MF projector, just looking at trannies (even 35mm) on a light table is fantastic, a real joy. And I've had some great prints made from slides. They also scan just fine, for digital processing and output. But I shoot negatives as well -- for b&w, for a certain look, or for more exposure latitude in challenging or rapidly-changing conditions. (Though I'm Photoshop-friendly, I still don't think you can achieve everything digitally. And even getting close sometimes takes inordinate amounts of work.) Each film has its own look and response characteristics, and only you can judge whether one fits your style and looks "good" to you in your final application. I suggest you take some of the 'consensus picks' you get from this group and other sources, and try them out on your favorite subjects under various conditions -- using cheaper 35mm film! Then, narrow it down to a half dozen or fewer (depending on your tolerance for stocking different films), and stick to those for a while. You'll get used to how each one 'behaves', and you'll get good at getting the results you're after. Now, a few of my own favorites: Velvia: For scenics. Supersaturated, outstanding greens & blues. Provia: For scenics when I need a little more speed, & 'all purpose' travel shooting. Very fine-grained, and still very good saturation. Astia: For people. Good skin tones, not too contrasty. Portra NC: For people. More latitude and lower contrast than Astia. Ilford Delta 400: b&w scenics. Plus X: b&w people. TMAX 100: b&w for a softer, lower-contrast look. And yes, I do have a sizable portion of one refrigrator shelf devoted to film! (What a sacrifice -- less beer space.) Good luck, and congrats on the 200 purchase! -Paul Reese __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 19:59:53 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:59:53 -0700 Subject: [KOML] re:Before I spend $300 Message-ID: <009601c217c3$7fe57180$26fde1cf@evegirard> Joe, Congratulations on your purchase! And you saved $100 to boot! (think film, film, and a cord) Seriously, though. I was going to reply in a very reasoned (hey, I can do that!) and thoughtful manner, but whilst in mid-thought, Paul Reese's message came through and saved me some effort. Let me condense. Follow Paul's advice. Sage and sound. I replied to your first query with the suggestion that you first identify what it is you're going to do, what your end result is to be. Same thing applies here. I'm seeing prints, transparencies, color, b&w all lumped in here. What do you want - slide shows, wall hangers, contest entries, all of the above? Define your needs and enjoy the hunt to attain them! This list is richer for your fresh voice! Best, Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 20:15:24 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. In-Reply-To: <17ADA065.6361E622.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20020619191524.70878.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Joe, At the risk of becoming known as Two-Part Paul, let me add the following RE film choices: Kodak color films are reputed to have a warmer color balance than Fuji in general. I have limited experience with Kodak color, but it seems true to me. A corollary is that when it comes to shooting people, Kodak is reputedly better for caucasian skin, and Fuji is better for Asian skin. I've had a portrait/wedding pro confirm this to me directly. (But what to use on Africans, Latinos, East Indians, Native Americans, and Middle Easterners? I have no idea!) Experiment and see if you agree. I'd love to hear your impressions. And I will return the favor to Eve by commending HER advice. Your end use(s) will dictate the best film(s) for you. Keep us posted! -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 20:32:29 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:32:29 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. References: <20020619191524.70878.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d101c217c8$0d81bea0$26fde1cf@evegirard> Jeez, Paul, can I have the next dance. . . ? Eve ;>) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. > > Joe, > > At the risk of becoming known as Two-Part Paul, let me > add the following RE film choices: > > Kodak color films are reputed to have a warmer color > balance than Fuji in general. I have limited > experience with Kodak color, but it seems true to me. > > A corollary is that when it comes to shooting people, > Kodak is reputedly better for caucasian skin, and Fuji > is better for Asian skin. I've had a portrait/wedding > pro confirm this to me directly. (But what to use on > Africans, Latinos, East Indians, Native Americans, and > Middle Easterners? I have no idea!) > > Experiment and see if you agree. I'd love to hear > your impressions. > > And I will return the favor to Eve by commending HER > advice. Your end use(s) will dictate the best film(s) > for you. > > Keep us posted! > > -Paul > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 20:57:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Steve and Krista) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:57:19 -0500 Subject: [KOML] New member and new (old) camera References: <20020619191524.70878.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> <00d101c217c8$0d81bea0$26fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <002701c217cb$8b51a9a0$640aa8c0@msn.com> Hi folks- My name is Steve Hong, and I reside in Minneapolis, MN. I just stumbled on this group. That's a good thing because I just purchased a Rapid Omega 100 a week ago. Info about me: Been doing photography as a hobby for 15 years Have a 35mm darkroom, plan on upgrading the enlarger to handle the 6x7 Born and raised in the minneapolis area Info about the camera: Rapid Omega 100 90mm Super Omegon lens Gossen Pilot 2 light meter I just purchased the above with a tamrac bag for $75. Don't know if its a good deal, but I just ran a roll of Tmax 100 through the camera and it seems to work fine. There are no light leaks, and the negatives are pretty evenly spaced out. Is there any way to figure out how old the camera is? The serial number is 33157. Anyway, hope to learn more about this camera and MF in general from this group. Steve Hong From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 21:36:17 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. In-Reply-To: <00d101c217c8$0d81bea0$26fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020619203617.30686.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> (blush) Awww, Eve, I think you're just intrigued by my 'two bites of the apple' habit. You strike me as the kind of woman who appreciates the occasional 'double shot'. ;-) -Paul P.S. How's that for innuendo? --- Eve Girard wrote: > Jeez, Paul, can I have the next dance. . . ? > Eve ;>) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul R." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film > P.S. > > > > > > Joe, > > > > At the risk of becoming known as Two-Part Paul, > let me > > add the following RE film choices: > > > > Kodak color films are reputed to have a warmer > color > > balance than Fuji in general. I have limited > > experience with Kodak color, but it seems true to > me. > > > > A corollary is that when it comes to shooting > people, > > Kodak is reputedly better for caucasian skin, and > Fuji > > is better for Asian skin. I've had a > portrait/wedding > > pro confirm this to me directly. (But what to use > on > > Africans, Latinos, East Indians, Native Americans, > and > > Middle Easterners? I have no idea!) > > > > Experiment and see if you agree. I'd love to hear > > your impressions. > > > > And I will return the favor to Eve by commending > HER > > advice. Your end use(s) will dictate the best > film(s) > > for you. > > > > Keep us posted! > > > > -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 21:40:57 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] New member and new (old) camera In-Reply-To: <002701c217cb$8b51a9a0$640aa8c0@msn.com> Message-ID: <20020619204057.66806.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Welcome, Steve! You got a GREAT deal on a working 100 (not to mention the extras!). I don't know about the age, but check with Peter Lanczak. He'd like to have your serial numbers for his database anyway. http://www.peterlanczak.de We'll look forward to hearing how you make out with the new camera! -Paul Reese --- Steve and Krista wrote: > Hi folks- My name is Steve Hong, and I reside in > Minneapolis, MN. I just > stumbled on this group. That's a good thing because > I just purchased a Rapid > Omega 100 a week ago. > > Info about me: > Been doing photography as a hobby for 15 years > Have a 35mm darkroom, plan on upgrading the > enlarger to handle the 6x7 > Born and raised in the minneapolis area > > Info about the camera: > Rapid Omega 100 > 90mm Super Omegon lens > Gossen Pilot 2 light meter > > I just purchased the above with a tamrac bag for > $75. Don't know if its a > good deal, but I just ran a roll of Tmax 100 through > the camera and it seems > to work fine. There are no light leaks, and the > negatives are pretty evenly > spaced out. > > Is there any way to figure out how old the camera > is? The serial number is > 33157. > > Anyway, hope to learn more about this camera and MF > in general from this > group. > > Steve Hong > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 21:59:39 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:59:39 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. References: <20020619203617.30686.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00fb01c217d4$3add9160$26fde1cf@evegirard> (ooooh, Paul . . .) as long as you remember "double shot - yes" & "two-time" - no!" Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. > (blush) Awww, Eve, I think you're just intrigued by > my 'two bites of the apple' habit. You strike me as > the kind of woman who appreciates the occasional > 'double shot'. ;-) > > -Paul > > P.S. How's that for innuendo? > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > Jeez, Paul, can I have the next dance. . . ? > > Eve ;>) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul R." > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film > > P.S. > > > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > At the risk of becoming known as Two-Part Paul, > > let me > > > add the following RE film choices: > > > > > > Kodak color films are reputed to have a warmer > > color > > > balance than Fuji in general. I have limited > > > experience with Kodak color, but it seems true to > > me. > > > > > > A corollary is that when it comes to shooting > > people, > > > Kodak is reputedly better for caucasian skin, and > > Fuji > > > is better for Asian skin. I've had a > > portrait/wedding > > > pro confirm this to me directly. (But what to use > > on > > > Africans, Latinos, East Indians, Native Americans, > > and > > > Middle Easterners? I have no idea!) > > > > > > Experiment and see if you agree. I'd love to hear > > > your impressions. > > > > > > And I will return the favor to Eve by commending > > HER > > > advice. Your end use(s) will dictate the best > > film(s) > > > for you. > > > > > > Keep us posted! > > > > > > -Paul > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 22:05:30 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:05:30 -0700 Subject: [KOML] New member and new (old) camera References: <20020619191524.70878.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> <00d101c217c8$0d81bea0$26fde1cf@evegirard> <002701c217cb$8b51a9a0$640aa8c0@msn.com> Message-ID: <011901c217d5$0be62420$26fde1cf@evegirard> Steve, Welcome! Paul and I seem to be the Welcome Wagoneers today. Already I am green with envy re your Koni score! Way to go!! This group will help in any way it can. Just accept the fact that the only dumb question is the one you DON'T ask. I have asked every dumb question there is - at least twice (hey, I'm a blonde!) and I've been doing this for a reeeeaaaal long while. Anyway, welcome, enjoy and feel free to chat! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve and Krista" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: [KOML] New member and new (old) camera > Hi folks- My name is Steve Hong, and I reside in Minneapolis, MN. I just > stumbled on this group. That's a good thing because I just purchased a Rapid > Omega 100 a week ago. > > Info about me: > Been doing photography as a hobby for 15 years > Have a 35mm darkroom, plan on upgrading the enlarger to handle the 6x7 > Born and raised in the minneapolis area > > Info about the camera: > Rapid Omega 100 > 90mm Super Omegon lens > Gossen Pilot 2 light meter > > I just purchased the above with a tamrac bag for $75. Don't know if its a > good deal, but I just ran a roll of Tmax 100 through the camera and it seems > to work fine. There are no light leaks, and the negatives are pretty evenly > spaced out. > > Is there any way to figure out how old the camera is? The serial number is > 33157. > > Anyway, hope to learn more about this camera and MF in general from this > group. > > Steve Hong > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 22:38:53 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:38:53 -0400 Subject: [KOML] New member and new (old) camera References: <20020619191524.70878.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> <00d101c217c8$0d81bea0$26fde1cf@evegirard> <002701c217cb$8b51a9a0$640aa8c0@msn.com> Message-ID: <3D10F9ED.5024D196@earthlink.net> Steve, This could be the best $75 you ever spent...a decent Rapid normally sells for about $200 and up.There`s a gentleman named Peter Lanzak (spelling?) who has a website(in 3 languages, no less!) with lots of good info on production dates, etc.I don`t have his URL handy, maybe someone (Peter, are you out there?) can post it for you. Robert Steve and Krista wrote: > Hi folks- My name is Steve Hong, and I reside in Minneapolis, MN. I just > stumbled on this group. That's a good thing because I just purchased a Rapid > Omega 100 a week ago. > > Info about me: > Been doing photography as a hobby for 15 years > Have a 35mm darkroom, plan on upgrading the enlarger to handle the 6x7 > Born and raised in the minneapolis area > > Info about the camera: > Rapid Omega 100 > 90mm Super Omegon lens > Gossen Pilot 2 light meter > > I just purchased the above with a tamrac bag for $75. Don't know if its a > good deal, but I just ran a roll of Tmax 100 through the camera and it seems > to work fine. There are no light leaks, and the negatives are pretty evenly > spaced out. > > Is there any way to figure out how old the camera is? The serial number is > 33157. > > Anyway, hope to learn more about this camera and MF in general from this > group. > > Steve Hong > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 23:03:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. In-Reply-To: <00fb01c217d4$3add9160$26fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020619220337.41645.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Eve, An important distinction indeed. I'll try to remember! :-) -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > (ooooh, Paul . . .) as long as you remember "double > shot - yes" & > "two-time" - no!" > Eve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul R." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film > P.S. > > > > (blush) Awww, Eve, I think you're just intrigued > by > > my 'two bites of the apple' habit. You strike me > as > > the kind of woman who appreciates the occasional > > 'double shot'. ;-) > > > > -Paul > > > > P.S. How's that for innuendo? > > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > Jeez, Paul, can I have the next dance. . . ? > > > Eve ;>) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 23:09:35 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:09:35 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 References: <17ADA065.6361E622.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3D11011F.BCEC1A01@earthlink.net> Choosing film is a rather personal undertaking, kind of like trying to explain to someone what the best flavor of ice cream is( they`re all good!)If you`re going to shoot mostly print film, try to find out from a couple of local pros what labs they like.The right lab can make you look like a pro, the wrong one can make you want to throw your camera in the river.For the last few years, I have shot mostly transparencies (Velvia for outdoors,Astia for people shots).Chromes don`t lie,bracketing in half or even third-of a-stop increments will reveal subtle nuances that would be lost on most commercial negative processing.If you`re developing your own, now that`s another story.I only print the stuff I really like, and have had nothing but great result when having prints made from chromes.Again, a good lab is the key.So buy a few rolls of film, and experiment.When you find one you like, stay with it for the sake of consistency.Good luck! Robert Joe Sjostrom wrote: > Yesterday I dropped a check in the mail for purchase of a nice clean model 200 with a 90 lens, and hopefully within a week I will be unpacking the camera and loading a roll of film. I paid $200 for it, not $300, which is good, but I guess I still need to buy a flash cord. > Thanks to Craig, Nancy, Paul, Tom, Eve, Jason, Jack, for your comments and suggestions. Time and thought was obvious in your messages. > So here's another question: can you recommend a film that has good Koni compatability? > Your messages have mentioned these films: > Ilford XP2 (b&w, process C41, according to Ilford's website) > Ilford Delta 400 (b&w, conventional b&w chemistry, according to Ilford's website) > Fuji Velvia and Provia 100F (color transparency, process E6, according to Fuji's website) > On a light table, photo quality is easier (for me) to judge from a positive transparency than from a negative. But it's not really practical to project slides bigger than 35mm, and I've always heard you get better prints from negatives than from positives. > Am I the only one who still uses Kodak film? For the last 15 years I've been shooting Kodak 200 print film in 35mm, with no grounds for complaint. > Any suggestions? Somebody please tell me what to do! > Thanks again, > Joe Sjostrom > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 23:24:26 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:24:26 -0700 Subject: [KOML] re: Before I Spend $300 Message-ID: <015f01c217e0$12a4d260$26fde1cf@evegirard> Joe, After my earlier reply I spent some time looking in my "View Camera" magazine archives in search of something else when I found this pearl of wisdom which also bears discussion/consideration. "please do not join the film of the month club. It won't help you be a better photographer. Select a film and use it for at least a year. This way you will be able to learn how to use a film and what it will and won't do. Then, and only if you have a reason, try something else." (Nov/Dec 2001 View Camera Magazine - Steve Simmons) Well that is dogmatic to be true, but it does have some validity. It becomes the dead dog in the living room - how seriously do we take it? Again, the end use looms large in the equation. In my case, I adore B&W. I use FP4 and Delta 400 exclusively. I print on a paper I feel will match the image theme. That can vary from Ilford, Bregger, Brilliant and a handful of others whose qualities captivate me. I develop in Pyro and print in Amidol as a rule. Again, I shift print developers to the paper and the ultimate print, but this is not a rotational thing. I have my ritual for each format. (very little 35, plenty MF, and lots of LF) My usual Koni print is either on Ilford or old Brilliant (very full freezer) graded paper. But in the final analysis, I know what my particular combination of equipment, film and paper can produce. So there, a long-winded offering for consideration. Eve (winded in Washington) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 23:37:48 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:37:48 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. References: <20020619203617.30686.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> <00fb01c217d4$3add9160$26fde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D1107BC.E046D8CE@earthlink.net> NOW we`re getting somewhere!!!(keep the kids out of the room for awhile...) Grins, Robert Eve Girard wrote: > (ooooh, Paul . . .) as long as you remember "double shot - yes" & > "two-time" - no!" > Eve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul R." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. > > > (blush) Awww, Eve, I think you're just intrigued by > > my 'two bites of the apple' habit. You strike me as > > the kind of woman who appreciates the occasional > > 'double shot'. ;-) > > > > -Paul > > > > P.S. How's that for innuendo? > > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > Jeez, Paul, can I have the next dance. . . ? > > > Eve ;>) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Paul R." > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:15 PM > > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film > > > P.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > At the risk of becoming known as Two-Part Paul, > > > let me > > > > add the following RE film choices: > > > > > > > > Kodak color films are reputed to have a warmer > > > color > > > > balance than Fuji in general. I have limited > > > > experience with Kodak color, but it seems true to > > > me. > > > > > > > > A corollary is that when it comes to shooting > > > people, > > > > Kodak is reputedly better for caucasian skin, and > > > Fuji > > > > is better for Asian skin. I've had a > > > portrait/wedding > > > > pro confirm this to me directly. (But what to use > > > on > > > > Africans, Latinos, East Indians, Native Americans, > > > and > > > > Middle Easterners? I have no idea!) > > > > > > > > Experiment and see if you agree. I'd love to hear > > > > your impressions. > > > > > > > > And I will return the favor to Eve by commending > > > HER > > > > advice. Your end use(s) will dictate the best > > > film(s) > > > > for you. > > > > > > > > Keep us posted! > > > > > > > > -Paul > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 19 23:42:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:42:23 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. References: <20020619203617.30686.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> <00fb01c217d4$3add9160$26fde1cf@evegirard> <3D1107BC.E046D8CE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <018001c217e2$94ce7000$26fde1cf@evegirard> "But, Robert," sez Eve, batting her lashes demurely, "I thought this was a family list . . . and, no, you can't have the photo rights." Eve ;>) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. > NOW we`re getting somewhere!!!(keep the kids out of the room for > awhile...) > Grins, > Robert > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > (ooooh, Paul . . .) as long as you remember "double shot - yes" & > > "two-time" - no!" > > Eve > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul R." > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 1:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film P.S. > > > > > (blush) Awww, Eve, I think you're just intrigued by > > > my 'two bites of the apple' habit. You strike me as > > > the kind of woman who appreciates the occasional > > > 'double shot'. ;-) > > > > > > -Paul > > > > > > P.S. How's that for innuendo? > > > > > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > Jeez, Paul, can I have the next dance. . . ? > > > > Eve ;>) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Paul R." > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:15 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Before I spend $300 - Film > > > > P.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > > > At the risk of becoming known as Two-Part Paul, > > > > let me > > > > > add the following RE film choices: > > > > > > > > > > Kodak color films are reputed to have a warmer > > > > color > > > > > balance than Fuji in general. I have limited > > > > > experience with Kodak color, but it seems true to > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > A corollary is that when it comes to shooting > > > > people, > > > > > Kodak is reputedly better for caucasian skin, and > > > > Fuji > > > > > is better for Asian skin. I've had a > > > > portrait/wedding > > > > > pro confirm this to me directly. (But what to use > > > > on > > > > > Africans, Latinos, East Indians, Native Americans, > > > > and > > > > > Middle Easterners? I have no idea!) > > > > > > > > > > Experiment and see if you agree. I'd love to hear > > > > > your impressions. > > > > > > > > > > And I will return the favor to Eve by commending > > > > HER > > > > > advice. Your end use(s) will dictate the best > > > > film(s) > > > > > for you. > > > > > > > > > > Keep us posted! > > > > > > > > > > -Paul > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jun 20 22:00:15 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:00:15 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Curiouser and curiouser Message-ID: <00a201c2189d$7a9f7d80$bdfde1cf@evegirard> I have spent the past two days recovering from work overload. I didn't leave the house, just stayed in my sweats and puttered. I offer this as an excuse why I was online so much yesterday. True, I have no life, but I'm not THAT bad. The Washington weather was its weird self, but today is great (what's 2 days of rain followed by 5 days of sun?)(a weekend in WA) simply because I am getting ready to go to work. I was curious about the percentage of darkroom junkies we may have in the group. Are there, too, any pixel-heads in the crowd? (sez she with a shudder). I realized after I went off yesterday that I may have been playing to a crowd slightly smaller than Bush's winning numbers in Fla . . . Damn, but I'm a nosy old broad. Where do we all live? What are our films of choice? What are our favorite beers? Favorite cars? blah, blah, blah. I ask semi tongue-in-cheek as these are usual topics on every list to which I belong. What brought us to K O in the first place? I can answer that last query in a flash. When I held my first Rapid, I fell in love. Everything made sense. I just received an early Nikon F (she says, ducking) with an eyelevel prism. (I am a horse-trader of legend) Same thing. When I first held one (about the time my Nikon gem was brand-new) it, too, was love at first shot. Am I alone with this? To be honest, I can't abide 'Blads as they feel wrong. Love an RB as it is reassuringly bulky. Adore my Rollei TLR. But that first Rapid is the natural. It is not an obstruction to my vision or an impediment to the process but is an unconsciously used tool requiring no thought. Truly fully automated in its own right. I must away. Work calls (nags) and I have to dash. Eve btw, what project/themes do we use or work on???????? From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 21 15:05:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:05:23 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Curiouser and curiouser Message-ID: I will bite, since I am very new to this list. I just picked up my KO Rapid at a local camera sale, for $25 (!!) (with the standard 90 Hexanon and one magazine). Didn't even know what it was, really, when I bought it -- but it was obviously a well-made machine, and that was good enough for me. I did have to do a little cleaning and tweaking, but it works very nicely now (and even looks OK too), and I am a happy man. I have a lot of cameras, but nothing expensive or autofocus (I did pay a couple hundred bucks for a used Nikon FE2, which I also love dearly). Besides older Nikon SLRs, I have several old 35mm scale-focus and rangefinder cameras (mostly Voigtlanders and FEDs), and medium format folders, (my favorite is a pre-war Voigtlander Rangefinder Bessa 6x9 folder) and a Russian TLR, all of which I use pretty regularly. Some have meters of various sorts, some don't, some have assorted types of autoexposure, some don't, some have quite good lenses, a few have rather amusingly bad lenses. I like the different constraints that each of these cameras imposes; somehow it helps keep me creative -- and since I don't really do professional work on assignment, it really doesn't matter much if I miss any particular shot because of the "limitations" of my old cameras. (I also use my own homemade cameras -- check http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=115508 if you want to see some results. Eve -- you asked about pixelheads. The pictures linked here do require use of a computer and scanner, but they also need, crucially, photographic technology from the 1840s. So, does that make me a pixelhead? Anyone else out there do anything with non-silver based emulsions?) I've only been using the Koni for a couple of months now, but I am very impressed. More often than not I take pictures of stuff that doesn't move around much (trees for example). The other day I took the Koni along on a walk with my downstairs neighbor and her dog. She was just beside herself with excitement at the results. And I was amazed I did so well with her decidedly non-stationary pet. I'm originally from NE Ohio, but now I live in Appleton, WI (by way of Arizona and Kansas). I'm not a darkroom "junkie" but I do spend a little time in there on B&W. Themes? Patterns found in nature, I guess is my most common one. Projects? Right now (today!) I'm building a large format camera (a VERY SIMPLE one, don't be impressed) for taking more of the odd pictures like those linked above. Those are 2"x3" and 9x12cm format; this will be about 12"x12" format (it's a long story - but it's not nearly as impressive as it might sound), and will use an unshuttered 200mm f/1.4 lens (Truly! But again, it's a long story, and not at all a big deal, once you hear it). My favorite beers are too many to list. John PS -- I overhauled the magazine on my KO Rapid, and it needs new teflon pad bearings. Anyone know a source for teflon sheeting of the right thickness, in non-enormous quantities? I have something else in there now that works well, but won't last. -----Original Message----- From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:00 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Curiouser and curiouser I have spent the past two days recovering from work overload. I didn't leave the house, just stayed in my sweats and puttered. I offer this as an excuse why I was online so much yesterday. True, I have no life, but I'm not THAT bad. The Washington weather was its weird self, but today is great (what's 2 days of rain followed by 5 days of sun?)(a weekend in WA) simply because I am getting ready to go to work. I was curious about the percentage of darkroom junkies we may have in the group. Are there, too, any pixel-heads in the crowd? (sez she with a shudder). I realized after I went off yesterday that I may have been playing to a crowd slightly smaller than Bush's winning numbers in Fla . . . Damn, but I'm a nosy old broad. Where do we all live? What are our films of choice? What are our favorite beers? Favorite cars? blah, blah, blah. I ask semi tongue-in-cheek as these are usual topics on every list to which I belong. What brought us to K O in the first place? I can answer that last query in a flash. When I held my first Rapid, I fell in love. Everything made sense. I just received an early Nikon F (she says, ducking) with an eyelevel prism. (I am a horse-trader of legend) Same thing. When I first held one (about the time my Nikon gem was brand-new) it, too, was love at first shot. Am I alone with this? To be honest, I can't abide 'Blads as they feel wrong. Love an RB as it is reassuringly bulky. Adore my Rollei TLR. But that first Rapid is the natural. It is not an obstruction to my vision or an impediment to the process but is an unconsciously used tool requiring no thought. Truly fully automated in its own right. I must away. Work calls (nags) and I have to dash. Eve btw, what project/themes do we use or work on???????? _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 21 21:39:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jon Fjortoft) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:39:14 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Curiouser and curiouser Message-ID: John,=20 thanks for sharing the cyanotype images. I'm going to pick up my first = Koni tomorrow morning, but I'll also be looking into more info on making = cyanotype images, thanks to having seen some of your's. If you have more = info to share, I'll be paying attention. Jon >>> jbeaver@uwc.edu 06/21/02 09:05AM >>> I will bite, since I am very new to this list. I just picked up my KO = Rapid at a local camera sale, for $25 (!!) (with the standard 90 Hexanon and one magazine). Didn't even know what it was, really, when I bought it -- but = it was obviously a well-made machine, and that was good enough for me. I did have to do a little cleaning and tweaking, but it works very nicely now = (and even looks OK too), and I am a happy man. I have a lot of cameras, but nothing expensive or autofocus (I did pay a couple hundred bucks for a used Nikon FE2, which I also love dearly). Besides older Nikon SLRs, I have several old 35mm scale-focus and rangefinder cameras (mostly Voigtlanders and FEDs), and medium format folders, (my favorite is a pre-war Voigtlander Rangefinder Bessa 6x9 = folder) and a Russian TLR, all of which I use pretty regularly. Some have meters = of various sorts, some don't, some have assorted types of autoexposure, some don't, some have quite good lenses, a few have rather amusingly bad = lenses. I like the different constraints that each of these cameras imposes; = somehow it helps keep me creative -- and since I don't really do professional work on assignment, it really doesn't matter much if I miss any particular shot because of the "limitations" of my old cameras. (I also use my own = homemade cameras -- check http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=3D115508 if = you want to see some results. Eve -- you asked about pixelheads. The = pictures linked here do require use of a computer and scanner, but they also need, crucially, photographic technology from the 1840s. So, does that make me = a pixelhead? Anyone else out there do anything with non-silver based emulsions?) I've only been using the Koni for a couple of months now, but I am very impressed. More often than not I take pictures of stuff that doesn't move around much (trees for example). The other day I took the Koni along on = a walk with my downstairs neighbor and her dog. She was just beside herself with excitement at the results. And I was amazed I did so well with her decidedly non-stationary pet.=20 I'm originally from NE Ohio, but now I live in Appleton, WI (by way of Arizona and Kansas). I'm not a darkroom "junkie" but I do spend a little time in there on B&W. Themes? Patterns found in nature, I guess is my most common one. Projects? Right now (today!) I'm building a large format camera (a VERY SIMPLE one, don't be impressed) for taking more of the odd pictures like those linked above. Those are 2"x3" and 9x12cm format; this will be about 12"x12" format (it's a long story - but it's not nearly as impressive as it might sound), and will use an unshuttered 200mm f/1.4 = lens (Truly! But again, it's a long story, and not at all a big deal, once you hear it). My favorite beers are too many to list.=20 John PS -- I overhauled the magazine on my KO Rapid, and it needs new teflon = pad bearings. Anyone know a source for teflon sheeting of the right thickness,= in non-enormous quantities? I have something else in there now that works well, but won't last. -----Original Message----- From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:00 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org=20 Subject: [KOML] Curiouser and curiouser I have spent the past two days recovering from work overload. I = didn't leave the house, just stayed in my sweats and puttered. I offer this as = an excuse why I was online so much yesterday. True, I have no life, but I'm not THAT bad. The Washington weather was its weird self, but today is = great (what's 2 days of rain followed by 5 days of sun?)(a weekend in WA) simply because I am getting ready to go to work. I was curious about the percentage of darkroom junkies we may have in the group. Are there, too, any pixel-heads in the crowd? (sez she with a shudder). I realized after I went off yesterday that I may have been playing to a crowd slightly smaller than Bush's winning numbers in Fla . . = . Damn, but I'm a nosy old broad. Where do we all live? What are our films of choice? What are our favorite beers? Favorite cars? blah, blah, = blah. I ask semi tongue-in-cheek as these are usual topics on every list to = which I belong. What brought us to K O in the first place? I can answer that last query in a flash. When I held my first Rapid, = I fell in love. Everything made sense. I just received an early Nikon F (she says, ducking) with an eyelevel prism. (I am a horse-trader of legend) Same thing. When I first held one (about the time my Nikon gem = was brand-new) it, too, was love at first shot. Am I alone with this? To be honest, I can't abide 'Blads as they feel wrong. Love an RB as it is reassuringly bulky. Adore my Rollei TLR. But that first Rapid is the natural. It is not an obstruction to my vision or an impediment to the process but is an unconsciously used tool requiring no thought. Truly fully automated in its own right. I must away. Work calls (nags) and I have to dash. Eve btw, what project/themes do we use or work on???????? _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org=20 http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml=20 _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org=20 http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 21 21:50:00 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:50:00 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Curiouser and curiouser Message-ID: Jon, I think I'm the only one doing it quite this way -- I'm using cyanotype as "film", directly in the camera, instead of as a printing technique. Since it's literally millions of times less sensitive than silver-based film (and sensitive only to ultraviolet), pretty much everything has to be approached differently. I have a brief description of the technique at: www.photo.net/users/Godoggo/Cyano/cyano.html Anyone who is interested in this can contact me directly, rather than cluttering the Koni-omega list, since you're certainly not going to do this with a Koni! (email is jbeaver@uwc.edu) I have, however, been having fun simply contacting printing the 6x7 negs onto homemade cyanotype paper. Once you have the chemicals, it's easy as pie, and you can do interesting things by altering how you brush the chemicals on the paper. 6x7 negatives are big enough to at least be interesting as "miniatures," and it can be intersting to scan the print at high resolution. Here's an example of a Koni 6x7 negative contact printed in this way: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=792232 Congrats on getting your first Koni! --John -----Original Message----- From: Jon Fjortoft [mailto:Jon.Fjortoft@worldbook.com] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:39 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: RE: [KOML] Curiouser and curiouser John, thanks for sharing the cyanotype images. I'm going to pick up my first Koni tomorrow morning, but I'll also be looking into more info on making cyanotype images, thanks to having seen some of your's. If you have more info to share, I'll be paying attention. Jon >>> jbeaver@uwc.edu 06/21/02 09:05AM >>> I will bite, since I am very new to this list. I just picked up my KO Rapid at a local camera sale, for $25 (!!) (with the standard 90 Hexanon and one magazine). Didn't even know what it was, really, when I bought it -- but it was obviously a well-made machine, and that was good enough for me. I did have to do a little cleaning and tweaking, but it works very nicely now (and even looks OK too), and I am a happy man. I have a lot of cameras, but nothing expensive or autofocus (I did pay a couple hundred bucks for a used Nikon FE2, which I also love dearly). Besides older Nikon SLRs, I have several old 35mm scale-focus and rangefinder cameras (mostly Voigtlanders and FEDs), and medium format folders, (my favorite is a pre-war Voigtlander Rangefinder Bessa 6x9 folder) and a Russian TLR, all of which I use pretty regularly. Some have meters of various sorts, some don't, some have assorted types of autoexposure, some don't, some have quite good lenses, a few have rather amusingly bad lenses. I like the different constraints that each of these cameras imposes; somehow it helps keep me creative -- and since I don't really do professional work on assignment, it really doesn't matter much if I miss any particular shot because of the "limitations" of my old cameras. (I also use my own homemade cameras -- check http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=115508 if you want to see some results. Eve -- you asked about pixelheads. The pictures linked here do require use of a computer and scanner, but they also need, crucially, photographic technology from the 1840s. So, does that make me a pixelhead? Anyone else out there do anything with non-silver based emulsions?) I've only been using the Koni for a couple of months now, but I am very impressed. More often than not I take pictures of stuff that doesn't move around much (trees for example). The other day I took the Koni along on a walk with my downstairs neighbor and her dog. She was just beside herself with excitement at the results. And I was amazed I did so well with her decidedly non-stationary pet. I'm originally from NE Ohio, but now I live in Appleton, WI (by way of Arizona and Kansas). I'm not a darkroom "junkie" but I do spend a little time in there on B&W. Themes? Patterns found in nature, I guess is my most common one. Projects? Right now (today!) I'm building a large format camera (a VERY SIMPLE one, don't be impressed) for taking more of the odd pictures like those linked above. Those are 2"x3" and 9x12cm format; this will be about 12"x12" format (it's a long story - but it's not nearly as impressive as it might sound), and will use an unshuttered 200mm f/1.4 lens (Truly! But again, it's a long story, and not at all a big deal, once you hear it). My favorite beers are too many to list. John PS -- I overhauled the magazine on my KO Rapid, and it needs new teflon pad bearings. Anyone know a source for teflon sheeting of the right thickness, in non-enormous quantities? I have something else in there now that works well, but won't last. -----Original Message----- From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:00 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Curiouser and curiouser I have spent the past two days recovering from work overload. I didn't leave the house, just stayed in my sweats and puttered. I offer this as an excuse why I was online so much yesterday. True, I have no life, but I'm not THAT bad. The Washington weather was its weird self, but today is great (what's 2 days of rain followed by 5 days of sun?)(a weekend in WA) simply because I am getting ready to go to work. I was curious about the percentage of darkroom junkies we may have in the group. Are there, too, any pixel-heads in the crowd? (sez she with a shudder). I realized after I went off yesterday that I may have been playing to a crowd slightly smaller than Bush's winning numbers in Fla . . . Damn, but I'm a nosy old broad. Where do we all live? What are our films of choice? What are our favorite beers? Favorite cars? blah, blah, blah. I ask semi tongue-in-cheek as these are usual topics on every list to which I belong. What brought us to K O in the first place? I can answer that last query in a flash. When I held my first Rapid, I fell in love. Everything made sense. I just received an early Nikon F (she says, ducking) with an eyelevel prism. (I am a horse-trader of legend) Same thing. When I first held one (about the time my Nikon gem was brand-new) it, too, was love at first shot. Am I alone with this? To be honest, I can't abide 'Blads as they feel wrong. Love an RB as it is reassuringly bulky. Adore my Rollei TLR. But that first Rapid is the natural. It is not an obstruction to my vision or an impediment to the process but is an unconsciously used tool requiring no thought. Truly fully automated in its own right. I must away. Work calls (nags) and I have to dash. Eve btw, what project/themes do we use or work on???????? _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 22 00:18:28 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:18:28 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Curiouser and curiouser References: <00a201c2189d$7a9f7d80$bdfde1cf@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D13B444.FB6011DC@earthlink.net> Greetings all, First of all, welcome aboard, John Beaver.It sounds like you have lots going on with your photographic endeveaours.Pat yourself on the back for "stealing" that Rapid for $25, you probably won`t see that again for a while. On to some of Eve`s inquiries; I have a bunch of old cameras, use just about all of `em, depending on subject matter, ease of portability, or which way the wind is blowing.On the 35mm end,I seem to gravitate towards stuff made by Konica and Canon.My favorites?Konica T3N, Canon F-1N, Konica S3 (compact RF)Medium Format: currently 3 Rapids(a Rapid M, a 200,and a NOS, brand-new, still in the box M that I happened to stumble across several years ago-I may actually take it out and use it one of these days)Also a Pentax 645 for those times when an SLR is required(had originally considered a Mamiya 6x7, but questioned the sanity of carrying around a camera the size of a Buick).As I have stated previously, I shoot mostly transparencies,prefer Velvia and Astia. I am fortunate enough to have a very good lab nearby, which makes life a little easier.The biggest stumbling block these days is lack of free time...my "things-to-do" list always exceeds the hours available by a considerable margin.Maybe I`ll be able to start my next photo project soon.Not far from here,(rural western N.J.) there are lots of old barns in various stages of disrepair, and I always thought this would make for an interesting photo study.With the Rapid`s ability for mid-roll change, I could shoot both chromes and B&W.(I was thinking about something kinda grainy to capture that funky, run-down atmosphere.Any suggestions?)Enough rant for now...have a good evening! Robert Eve Girard wrote: > I have spent the past two days recovering from work overload. I didn't > leave the house, just stayed in my sweats and puttered. I offer this as an > excuse why I was online so much yesterday. True, I have no life, but I'm > not THAT bad. The Washington weather was its weird self, but today is great > (what's 2 days of rain followed by 5 days of sun?)(a weekend in WA) simply > because I am getting ready to go to work. > I was curious about the percentage of darkroom junkies we may have in > the group. Are there, too, any pixel-heads in the crowd? (sez she with a > shudder). I realized after I went off yesterday that I may have been > playing to a crowd slightly smaller than Bush's winning numbers in Fla . . . > Damn, but I'm a nosy old broad. Where do we all live? What are our films > of choice? What are our favorite beers? Favorite cars? blah, blah, blah. > I ask semi tongue-in-cheek as these are usual topics on every list to which > I belong. What brought us to K O in the first place? > I can answer that last query in a flash. When I held my first Rapid, I > fell in love. Everything made sense. I just received an early Nikon F > (she says, ducking) with an eyelevel prism. (I am a horse-trader of > legend) Same thing. When I first held one (about the time my Nikon gem was > brand-new) it, too, was love at first shot. Am I alone with this? To be > honest, I can't abide 'Blads as they feel wrong. > Love an RB as it is reassuringly bulky. Adore my Rollei TLR. But that > first Rapid is the natural. It is not an obstruction to my vision or an > impediment to the process but is an unconsciously used tool requiring no > thought. Truly fully automated in its own right. > I must away. Work calls (nags) and I have to dash. > Eve > btw, what project/themes do we use or work on???????? > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 22 07:09:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:09:43 -0700 Subject: [KOML] re: Curiouser and Curiouser Message-ID: <013001c219b3$679d5600$d7fde1cf@evegirard> Welcome aboard, John! I am more than green re your $25 Koni! But, then, I have a $60 Gowlandflex, so I guess all things wash. I'm glad you bought it and joined our group! I found your cyanotype images fascinating! Bravo! It is true that the only limits are the one we place upon ourselves. Alternative processes are a wonderful "new" way of expression. I spouted off about projects and themes without mentioning my own. Ooops. I have a weakness for Mom and Pop grocery stores. I used to use 8x10 and contact print on Azo. But I just don't have the heart to lug all that tonnage about, so swapped for a Linhof Super Tech V. That seems to keep me content these days. I also collect architectural details about town. The Sinar comes out for those. Bridges, airplanes and boats lure me without fail and my Rapids are usually my choice, but if the offerings are very vintage, I'll break out my Super Graphic. My electrolysis practice is located in a large salon and I have scads of lovelies who willingly model for the Gowlandflex. For quiet strolls, I wear a Rolleiflex 2.8c. There's always a Retina IIa in my purse. I use the Sinar and a lovely Graphic View II in studio settings. For LF glass, I use some Schneider odds and ends or older than me Dagors and Protars. For a project I'm restoring a B&J 5x7 Watson and am waiting for the bellows to sail back from England. And . . . I'm putting together a Nikon F kit similar to the one I carried in the late 60's and early 70's. Then there's always the darkroom . . . No wonder I'm still single!!! Again, welcome John, and many thanks to the faithful few who are keeping the K O faith. Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 22 15:35:22 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] dont receive any more KOML messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020622143522.48819.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> --- Peter.Lanczak@SIZ.DE wrote: > Whats happend? I don't receive any more messages > :-(( > peter.lanczak@siz.de > http://www.peterlanczak/koni.htm > Hi Peter, There's been a relative flurry of activity lately on koml@koni-omega.org (thanks in large part to member Eve Girard). I think it is the more active list. There are some new Koni owners who were asking recently about the age of their equipment. We referred them to you. Hoping you are well, -Paul Reese __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 18:46:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Roger/digital In-Reply-To: <3D16FBE9.A0185EAD@cni-usa.com> Message-ID: <20020624174601.18549.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> --- Roger Wiser wrote: > Hi list, I know most of us are interested in the K-O > mf cameras. Probably many > of you are professionals in photography. I am an > primarily been amateur (and > been one for a long time) although, I use > photography in my business. > > I am seeking some general views on digital cameras. > I used 1.2 meg for my > business for the last couple of years and up graded > to a 3.3 Epson, These > cameras have many useful features. Some of my > customers have been asking for > digital photos. (Insurance & investigation work). > > While I would not necessary use one for wedding > photography, I can see the > traditional cameras getting less use and attention > but they will be around for a > long time probably for different purposes in the > artistic area. > > Is anyone on the list using digitals, for what and > what is their experience? > > > Roger , a Koni-Omega Rapid owner > > Roger, I will offer that I have NOT yet made the move to digital, for the following reasons: (1) My end use. I am always in search of an image worth printing at 8x10 or larger. And my understanding is that I can't afford the digital systems that will give me a critically sharp print at 8x10, 11x14, & larger. (Of course that will change as prices continue to drop.) If my primary goal was to immediately share 800x600 digital images over the Internet, I might be shooting digital now. (2) Storage. I like to shoot lots of frames of any given subject, and often I'm out on location for days at a time. I worry about running out of storage space on digital media, or again spending more than I can afford on solutions (extra storage devices, a PC with firewire connection, etc.) (3) The look. I know how to achieve a variety of looks using various films. I don't know how to achieve the same looks using digital, and when I've tried (from scans), it's usually taken too much work. (4) Versatility & efficiency. I can always scan film -- and frequently do -- for digital processing and output. And how many camera systems do I want to build (and maintain, and store)?? Already my Koni and Konica 35mm gear are taking over my modest living space. (5) Mojo. That indescribable "X" factor. Eve will appreciate this one -- I'm just not INSPIRED in the same way by the all-electronic gizmos. Maybe I'm getting nostalgic in my middle years -- but I've developed an appreciation for many things mechanical, including great mechanical cameras. I just enjoy shooting with them. If anybody in the group has a different take on any of the foregoing, I'm all ears! It's hard to keep up on all the latest developments, and some of the conveniences of digital are enticing indeed. I suspect one day it will become an additional tool in my bag of tricks -- and probably force my move to a larger apartment! -Paul Reese __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 20:27:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:27:42 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital In-Reply-To: <20020624174601.18549.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Paul R." wrote: > I will offer that I have NOT yet made the move to > digital, for the following reasons: > > (1) My end use. I am always in search of an image > worth printing at 8x10 or larger. And my > understanding is that I can't afford the digital > systems that will give me a critically sharp print at > 8x10, 11x14, & larger. (Of course that will change as > prices continue to drop.) If my primary goal was to > immediately share 800x600 digital images over the > Internet, I might be shooting digital now. > > (2) Storage. I like to shoot lots of frames of any > given subject, and often I'm out on location for days > at a time. I worry about running out of storage space > on digital media, or again spending more than I can > afford on solutions (extra storage devices, a PC with > firewire connection, etc.) > > (3) The look. I know how to achieve a variety of > looks using various films. I don't know how to > achieve the same looks using digital, and when I've > tried (from scans), it's usually taken too much work. > > (4) Versatility & efficiency. I can always scan film > -- and frequently do -- for digital processing and > output. And how many camera systems do I want to > build (and maintain, and store)?? Already my Koni and > Konica 35mm gear are taking over my modest living > space. > > (5) Mojo. That indescribable "X" factor. Eve will > appreciate this one -- I'm just not INSPIRED in the > same way by the all-electronic gizmos. Maybe I'm > getting nostalgic in my middle years -- but I've > developed an appreciation for many things mechanical, > including great mechanical cameras. I just enjoy > shooting with them. > > If anybody in the group has a different take on any of > the foregoing, I'm all ears! It's hard to keep up on > all the latest developments, and some of the > conveniences of digital are enticing indeed. I > suspect one day it will become an additional tool in > my bag of tricks -- and probably force my move to a > larger apartment! > > -Paul Reese Paul - This is a great and very thoughtful response. To it I would add a lack archival storage, various ineffable image artifacts, and a non-organic uncomfortable image quality as additional reasons not to go digital at this juncture for anything but web photography or other low resolution final outputs where economy and speed are more important than quality and flexibility. Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 21:16:45 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020624201645.53871.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> > Paul - > > This is a great and very thoughtful response. To it > I would add a lack > archival storage, various ineffable image artifacts, > and a non-organic > uncomfortable image quality as additional reasons > not to go digital at this > juncture for anything but web photography or other > low resolution final > outputs where economy and speed are more important > than quality and > flexibility. > > Eric Goldstein > Thanks Eric, and thanks for your additions. I would agree RE the non-organic quality of digital, but I wonder whether it has its place -- kind of like synthesized sounds have their place in dance music. Maybe that quality can be used to advantage in some applications? What do you mean RE "artifacts"? Are they a function of the CCD arrays not being able to handle wide dynamic ranges? (I know that's an issue with scanners.) RE archival storage, this I don't understand. I would have thought digital would have the advantage here. Are you thinking that as technology changes, our CD-ROMs full of uncompressed TIFFs will become obsolete? I've always assumed there would be a way to convert these files to the latest formats, and move them to the latest storage media. That's why I want to have high-quality scans made of my best film images -- to preserve them beyond the life of the film. -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 21:29:15 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:29:15 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital Message-ID: Here's a different take: I had gone to a gallery showing at the Houston Center of Photography and I have to admit that there's a lot more inkjet and laserjet (?) prints on display. Some where actually pretty nice. I try to get to that gallery once a month. I have made a digital print on 14x16" from a med. format neg. I think the final frame size was 16x20, so not much matt space. It looked good and displayed at a wedding where people were amazed to discover that it was an inkjet printed the night before. So, I don't believe the (file) size is a fault. Although it was 175 megs on my computer. With the right ink, paper, profiles, etc. you can get a pretty darned nice print. As for storage digital media - storage has gotten very affordable. I have three compact flash cards (equivalent to 9 rolls of film or more on a high setting) and have never filled all three and needed more. Plus, there's those wallets and other gadgets. And you can just upload them to a laptop when you get back to your hotel. Laptops aren't even that pricey. I don't have one, but I haven't had a need 'cause I haven't filled up my cards. And for long term storage, I just burn them on some Kodak Gold CDs so they don't fill up my harddrive. And as a side note, you don't have to worry about getting your "film" x-rayed at the airport. As far as the look: I bet you didn't know how to get the "look" when you first started out in film photography. It took time and experience. Digital is like that. You have to start learning all over again. As a friend once said, "Against popular belief, there is no 'create masterpiece' button in Photoshop." - You have to relearn all over again. Afterall....it is JUST ANOTHER TOOL. I believe you should do what you enjoy...but don't be afraid to try something new 'cause you never know if you might enjoy that more. :) Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Eric Goldstein [mailto:egoldste@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:28 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital "Paul R." wrote: > I will offer that I have NOT yet made the move to > digital, for the following reasons: > > (1) My end use. I am always in search of an image > worth printing at 8x10 or larger. And my > understanding is that I can't afford the digital > systems that will give me a critically sharp print at > 8x10, 11x14, & larger. (Of course that will change as > prices continue to drop.) If my primary goal was to > immediately share 800x600 digital images over the > Internet, I might be shooting digital now. > > (2) Storage. I like to shoot lots of frames of any > given subject, and often I'm out on location for days > at a time. I worry about running out of storage space > on digital media, or again spending more than I can > afford on solutions (extra storage devices, a PC with > firewire connection, etc.) > > (3) The look. I know how to achieve a variety of > looks using various films. I don't know how to > achieve the same looks using digital, and when I've > tried (from scans), it's usually taken too much work. > > (4) Versatility & efficiency. I can always scan film > -- and frequently do -- for digital processing and > output. And how many camera systems do I want to > build (and maintain, and store)?? Already my Koni and > Konica 35mm gear are taking over my modest living > space. > > (5) Mojo. That indescribable "X" factor. Eve will > appreciate this one -- I'm just not INSPIRED in the > same way by the all-electronic gizmos. Maybe I'm > getting nostalgic in my middle years -- but I've > developed an appreciation for many things mechanical, > including great mechanical cameras. I just enjoy > shooting with them. > > If anybody in the group has a different take on any of > the foregoing, I'm all ears! It's hard to keep up on > all the latest developments, and some of the > conveniences of digital are enticing indeed. I > suspect one day it will become an additional tool in > my bag of tricks -- and probably force my move to a > larger apartment! > > -Paul Reese Paul - This is a great and very thoughtful response. To it I would add a lack archival storage, various ineffable image artifacts, and a non-organic uncomfortable image quality as additional reasons not to go digital at this juncture for anything but web photography or other low resolution final outputs where economy and speed are more important than quality and flexibility. Eric Goldstein _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 21:44:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:44:42 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" wrote: > Here's a different take: Barbara- First, starting with analogue negative and scanning from there is IMO a step removed from "digital" photography. It is much like recording a record album on analogue tape and then digitizing and mixing from there... A much more organic output results imo. Second, storage is not merely a matter of capacity, it is a matter of achieving some measure of archivability. This is currently unavailable with any digital medium, whose maximum archival life is about 15 years. For example, no major museum curator is relying on digital storage in any medium... Period! B/W negatives otoh are one of the most archival storage mediums known... BTW, you do have to worry about x-ray damage of magnetic storage medium... Third, yes it is a tool, and my comments acknowledge two areas where I feel the tool is useful. The debate usually centers around this very point... So yes we know it is a tool, the question is how do we feel it is useful... This is where reasonable people have different opinions... In terms of doing what you enjoy, I don't know anyone who would dispute this, but I don't understand your point in saying it. If you are saying "try it, you might like it," I think the point is there is not enough time in this life to try everything, so we tend to try to learn about things in advance of trying so we might make an informed judgement. If you are saying that you enjoy some forms of digital photography and that you don't want anyone to take that away from you, have no fear! There are no digital police yet! Respectfully, Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 21:50:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020624205044.23011.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Barbara! See my comments below. -Paul --- Barbara Lee Spinnenweber wrote: > Here's a different take: > > I have made a digital print on 14x16" from a med. > format neg. I think the > final frame size was 16x20, so not much matt space. > It looked good and > displayed at a wedding where people were amazed to > discover that it was an > inkjet printed the night before. So, I don't believe > the (file) size is a > fault. Although it was 175 megs on my computer. With > the right ink, paper, > profiles, etc. you can get a pretty darned nice > print. I have no problem with inkjet prints, I make them myself. I'm more concerned about capturing a quality image (affordably) to begin with. Your 175 meg file didn't come from a 3.3 megapixel camera. > > As for storage digital media - storage has gotten > very affordable. I have > three compact flash cards (equivalent to 9 rolls of > film or more on a high > setting) and have never filled all three and needed > more. Plus, there's > those wallets and other gadgets. And you can just > upload them to a laptop > when you get back to your hotel. When you say "high setting", what resolution is that? I suspect it's not enough for a critically sharp 8x10 or larger. And as a side note, you don't > have to worry about > getting your "film" x-rayed at the airport. That's a GREAT benefit! Though I've been successful so far in getting hand inspections of my film. I just have to arrive a little earlier and endure the stares of strangers! > > As far as the look: I bet you didn't know how to get > the "look" when you > first started out in film photography. It took time > and experience. Digital > is like that. You have to start learning all over > again. As a friend once > said, "Against popular belief, there is no 'create > masterpiece' button in > Photoshop." - You have to relearn all over again. I agree to a point. But despite hundreds of hours with Photoshop, I'm not convinced that I can EVER efficiently and adequately (to my standards) duplicate the range of looks that I get from various films by massaging digital captures. I tend to think of digital at this stage as simply a new and different look -- like a new film emulsion. And I'm sure I'd learn to get results that I like from digital cameras, FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES, just as I have with Velvia & Delta 100 for scenics or Portra NC for people shots. > > I believe you should do what you enjoy...but don't > be afraid to try > something new 'cause you never know if you might > enjoy that more. :) > Wise words indeed! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 22:05:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:05:36 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital Message-ID: Eric, You make sense. I swayed from the digital camera subject and went into scanning. And as far as the statements that I made that were blatantly obvious to anybody in photography, oops....I just like to run at the fingers I suppose. ;-) Sorry, just trying to jump in the conversation with my experiences - amateur as they are. Thanks, Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Eric Goldstein [mailto:egoldste@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 3:45 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" wrote: > Here's a different take: Barbara- First, starting with analogue negative and scanning from there is IMO a step removed from "digital" photography. It is much like recording a record album on analogue tape and then digitizing and mixing from there... A much more organic output results imo. Second, storage is not merely a matter of capacity, it is a matter of achieving some measure of archivability. This is currently unavailable with any digital medium, whose maximum archival life is about 15 years. For example, no major museum curator is relying on digital storage in any medium... Period! B/W negatives otoh are one of the most archival storage mediums known... BTW, you do have to worry about x-ray damage of magnetic storage medium... Third, yes it is a tool, and my comments acknowledge two areas where I feel the tool is useful. The debate usually centers around this very point... So yes we know it is a tool, the question is how do we feel it is useful... This is where reasonable people have different opinions... In terms of doing what you enjoy, I don't know anyone who would dispute this, but I don't understand your point in saying it. If you are saying "try it, you might like it," I think the point is there is not enough time in this life to try everything, so we tend to try to learn about things in advance of trying so we might make an informed judgement. If you are saying that you enjoy some forms of digital photography and that you don't want anyone to take that away from you, have no fear! There are no digital police yet! Respectfully, Eric Goldstein _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 22:48:26 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:48:26 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital Message-ID: Hey Paul, "When you say "high setting", what resolution is that? I suspect it's not enough for a critically sharp 8x10 or larger." - Paul --------------- It's the least compressed jpeg file - similar to the tif, only smaller file size. On my camera it's either the "hi" or the "fine" setting. "Normal" and "Basic" are beneath that. I easily get good 8x10 prints, but I don't exactly put a loupe to them. It is sharp enough to see the texture of butterfly wings. I think when that foveon chip finally makes it's rounds, you'll get the sharpness you're looking for. I guess with a CMOS or CCD you don't have to worry about film flatness either. (chuckle) I've never been one that got all into the details and experiments. I never messed with vitamin c in developer. I don't measure sharpness. My goal is very simple in that I just want to get an exciting image that may or may not have some feeling. If I manage to take a picture of something that I feel nobody else has done - all the better. I don't want to spend all of my time doing the tech. stuff. I barely have enough time to do what I enjoy. I will admit that the exposure latitude is very similar to slide film. When you blow out the highlights - they're just plain gone! There are ways around it. (leave on tripod, take one over and one under and one spot-on and mesh them in a round about way in an image editing program) But, you can't use this tactic for sports photography or anything else that's fast moving! I guess with anything it has it's good and bad points. It's just right now I'm seeing more positive issues with it than most people I suppose. I guess it's also because I hang around some people that I feel are very in-to-it with the digital aspect. A friend - who does this for a living - made a 16x20 print, edge to edge, from his Nikon 995 using Genuine Fractals. It was a nice print! I didn't see pixels. But it is a portrait so he purposely blurred it a little to soften her skin. He sent his digital file to a lab and got a print on Fuji Crystal Archive paper (I think that's the paper). But, I still shoot film too. I just like the way certain cameras feel in my hands. And, I love showing off my Koni. Sometimes I just like to use something that is all mechanical, so it takes more work on my part. I get more of a feeling of accomplishment - but it's just from a basic viewpoint. "Yeah, I got a decent exposure!" or "Yeah, I got some images on my film!" (as I'm unwinding them from the film spool to be hung to dry) I guess it just depends on my mood and my "free time." Lately, my mood has been towards digital (whether digital camera or scanning film) Thanks for chatting! Barbara From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 22:49:29 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:49:29 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" wrote: > Eric, > You make sense. Well, I was thinking I respected your opinions up till this point... > I swayed from the digital camera subject and went into scanning. I like the way you sway... On the list I mean... > Sorry, just trying to jump in the conversation with my experiences - amateur > as they are. The prosecution will now rest so that reasonable people might carry on a reasonable discussion... Sorry if my tone was severe... Hope I did not discourage or insult you in any way... Will double up on my meds for a while so that the list is safe for you guys... ;-) Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 23:04:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:04:43 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital Message-ID: You're soooo sweet! Now you've got me blushing!!! (Don't blame yourself for me taking things harshly - I think I'm just in one of my moods where I take things too personally and cry at the site of a dang Chevy commercial!) Unfortunately, I think you just motivated me to chat even more. ;) Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Eric Goldstein [mailto:egoldste@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:49 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" wrote: > Eric, > You make sense. Well, I was thinking I respected your opinions up till this point... > I swayed from the digital camera subject and went into scanning. I like the way you sway... On the list I mean... > Sorry, just trying to jump in the conversation with my experiences - amateur > as they are. The prosecution will now rest so that reasonable people might carry on a reasonable discussion... Sorry if my tone was severe... Hope I did not discourage or insult you in any way... Will double up on my meds for a while so that the list is safe for you guys... ;-) Eric Goldstein _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 23:17:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020624221741.49355.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Barbara, I hear you. Whatever keeps you interested, inspired and shooting is valuable. Sometimes I like playing my acoustic musical instruments, sometimes my electrics or electronics. The most important thing is that I keep playing. And I think we would also agree that content is king. But when it comes to presentation, humans -- including those who view our work -- have varying degrees of tolerance for 'imperfection'. In housekeeping, I'm Oscar Madison -- the sink is rarely clear. But with images, I'm Felix Unger -- I like ultimate sharpness, at least as an available starting point. I don't want anything unnecessarily interfering with my communicative intent. Of course there's a lot more to making a great image than high resolution, as you suggest. But I won't shoot without it. Thanks for your thoughts. It's nice to have people of your varied photo background in the group! -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 23:45:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:45:42 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital In-Reply-To: <20020624201645.53871.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Paul R." wrote: > I would agree RE the non-organic quality of digital, > but I wonder whether it has its place -- kind of like > synthesized sounds have their place in dance music. > Maybe that quality can be used to advantage in some > applications? Definitely. I gave two broad categories myself of areas where digital has it's uses logistically, and I do not doubt that the "look" of digital can have it's uses creatively. I'm a toy and pinhole camera shooter btw so I really do not care about resolution and pixels and all that, I'm an image chaser... > What do you mean RE "artifacts"? Are they a function > of the CCD arrays not being able to handle wide > dynamic ranges? (I know that's an issue with > scanners.) I wasn't talking about dynamic range, but it is well known that digital does not yet have the dynamic range of negative film... I was talking about various distortions such as color fringing and others which are widely discussed on the digital forums. Many of these artifacts are due to the way the CCDs handle color, which is about to change with the wide-scale acceptance of the Q-chip. > RE archival storage, this I don't understand. I would > have thought digital would have the advantage here. > Are you thinking that as technology changes, our > CD-ROMs full of uncompressed TIFFs will become > obsolete? I've always assumed there would be a way to > convert these files to the latest formats, and move > them to the latest storage media. That's why I want > to have high-quality scans made of my best film images > -- to preserve them beyond the life of the film. The archival life of well-developed b/w negative approaches a century. Kodachrome fromt he late 30s is for the most part perfect today, 65 years later. Same with Technicolor movies from the 30s (which was basically a b/w process). The current maximum life of any digital storage medium is about 15 years. Right now, the safest way to store digital data is to take a picture of the 1s and 0s! Also, as you state, formats themselves tend to disappear within a decade. The idea of constantly duplicating entire digital libraries successively to new mediums is viewed as onerous and unrealistic by curators and archivists... Also, the idea that you are pulling off all of the information from your negatives with even careful scans is at this time not a sound conclusion IMO ... In 10 or 20 years, you look at those scans and regard them in Flintstone-like terms... Process and store your negatives carefully... You will be glad you did! Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 23:49:45 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jay Hipps) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:49:45 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I've been lurking on the list forever (nine months or so, anyway), so I find it ironic that my first post to the list is about digital cameras. I held off going digital for a long time. I didn't want to find myself in the position of having the opportunity at making the shot of a lifetime -- in 800 x 600 pixels. It would be torture to have a beautiful photo that you couldn't print any bigger than 4 x 6. I finally gave in last December and bought the Sony DSC-F707, a 5.2 megapixel digicam. I have been nothing short of thrilled. There are a lot of advantages to the format. It's great to be able to make 50 photos, download them to my PowerBook, and then use that "film" over again. It's made me more willing to experiment, since I'm not consuming any resources (film, paper, etc.). Being able to instantly see the results of my efforts has also made it easier for me to get just the shot I want. Those features are common to all digital cameras; there are a few specific to this one that I also enjoy. The Sony has a macro capability that's staggering -- you can capture something in focus 2 cm away from the lens. It's very impressive. Plus, the 5 megapixel CCD means that I can capture 14 megabytes of data on one image, which I've had no problem printing at 8 x 10 and even 12 x 17 using Genuine Fractals. I'd compare this particular camera favorably with 35 mm. There's still a way to go before they start challenging medium and large format films but I suspect that day will come, too. If you have the time/money/inclination, I'd say digital cameras are worth investigating. If not, no problem -- it's a free listserve. :-) Regards, Jay Hipps From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 23:53:58 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020624225358.57816.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Great insights Eric, thanks! -Paul --- Eric Goldstein wrote: > "Paul R." wrote: > > > I would agree RE the non-organic quality of > digital, > > but I wonder whether it has its place -- kind of > like > > synthesized sounds have their place in dance > music. > > Maybe that quality can be used to advantage in > some > > applications? > > Definitely. I gave two broad categories myself of > areas where digital has > it's uses logistically, and I do not doubt that the > "look" of digital can > have it's uses creatively. I'm a toy and pinhole > camera shooter btw so I > really do not care about resolution and pixels and > all that, I'm an image > chaser... > > > What do you mean RE "artifacts"? Are they a > function > > of the CCD arrays not being able to handle wide > > dynamic ranges? (I know that's an issue with > > scanners.) > > I wasn't talking about dynamic range, but it is well > known that digital does > not yet have the dynamic range of negative film... > > I was talking about various distortions such as > color fringing and others > which are widely discussed on the digital forums. > Many of these artifacts > are due to the way the CCDs handle color, which is > about to change with the > wide-scale acceptance of the Q-chip. > > > RE archival storage, this I don't understand. I > would > > have thought digital would have the advantage > here. > > Are you thinking that as technology changes, our > > CD-ROMs full of uncompressed TIFFs will become > > obsolete? I've always assumed there would be a > way to > > convert these files to the latest formats, and > move > > them to the latest storage media. That's why I > want > > to have high-quality scans made of my best film > images > > -- to preserve them beyond the life of the film. > > The archival life of well-developed b/w negative > approaches a century. > Kodachrome fromt he late 30s is for the most part > perfect today, 65 years > later. Same with Technicolor movies from the 30s > (which was basically a b/w > process). The current maximum life of any digital > storage medium is about 15 > years. Right now, the safest way to store digital > data is to take a picture > of the 1s and 0s! Also, as you state, formats > themselves tend to disappear > within a decade. The idea of constantly duplicating > entire digital libraries > successively to new mediums is viewed as onerous and > unrealistic by curators > and archivists... > > Also, the idea that you are pulling off all of the > information from your > negatives with even careful scans is at this time > not a sound conclusion IMO > ... In 10 or 20 years, you look at those scans and > regard them in > Flintstone-like terms... > > Process and store your negatives carefully... You > will be glad you did! > > > Eric Goldstein > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jun 24 23:55:50 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:55:50 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Roger/digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" wrote: > You're soooo sweet! > > Now you've got me blushing!!! Golly Barbara, I'm beginning to feel like we're married... Good thing we don't live too near each other, or I'd bring you chocolates and flowers and we might do something... Wreckless? ;-) > Unfortunately, I think you just motivated me to chat even more. Good! This list has been too quiet for too long! BTW, was just part of shooting an annual report for one of the country's leading banks entirely on digital... Saved the client a boatload of money. You could definitely see the quality difference, but we still got the job done to the level it needed to be... In year's past, brought along my Omegaflex to these shoots just to show the Rolleiflex 6008 shooter how much money he wasted with his camera... Lol... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 04:05:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:05:47 -0700 Subject: [KOML] And when I got home KOML was talking DIGITAL!!!!! Message-ID: <00f901c21bf5$3494ce20$53e6b1d8@evegirard> And a good evening to all! What a delight to see so many messages and an actual discussion of wonderful insight - even if it was about digital. (Eve makes sign of the cross) This is great!! Imagine, instead of talk of Hottentot circumcisms or the like, there was discourse on photography - even if done without film (spits on ground)! Bravo, group!!! (waves pom-poms, does headstand) I find it ironic that a group about a discontinued camera line can segue into computerized photo techniques with such ease and open minds. And I salute you who have chosen to stay current and modern. The combining of Koni and digital is an interesting creature indeed! Keep it up!!! Eve (in Washington State, shuffling of to bed, head bowed, leaving dinosaur-like footprints in her wake) From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 18:42:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:42:23 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Digital/film/etc Message-ID: <20020625174225.NQGS1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> HI, all. I'm new to the list and just seeing if this would work. I'm not very familiar with this strictly email type of list. I'm a member of a few others (the Konicaslr list on Yahoo, for instance) and they are bulletin board type lists, so not sure about this one. I've owned Konica stuff since about 1980 and have three FT-1's, used to have an FS-1 that died. I now own a Koni 200, purchased about two months ago. Sent it to Greg Weber who overhauled it. It is ready to shoot, but I haven't had time to put it through it's paces yet. So I joined the list mostly just to read the posts. But I was interested in the digital question. I own a Minolta Dimage S304 - 3.3 megapixels. It's really a nice camera and can do a lot of things for something so small. The flash is bothersome because its so close to the lens and washes out anything in the foreground, but for most things, it does a great job, and I can get a nice sharp 8X10 with no problem. Ran out of film at a wedding (I was just a guest) and shot a couple with digital - came out great. I really like the auto-focus for still things, since my eyes are getting older. That helps a lot. Of course, the same autofocus is a pain to wait for if you need a picture NOW. I just have a 64 meg flashcard, but it will hold about 50 pics at the next to highest resolution, which is pretty sharp. I, too, have slides scanned, and the nice feature of that is that you can take the scanned slides, put them in PSP or PS, and take out artifacts or bothersome distractions. Nice feature. Anyway, nice to make the aquaintance of you folks, and I hope this gets through. I'll probably have some questions after messing up a few rolls of 120 on my Koni. Best, Barry From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 19:50:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:50:41 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Digital/film/etc Message-ID: Hey Barry! Your message got through. Welcome to the group! It's funny how people come out of the woodwork when we started talking about digital cameras. I had to tape a little note on the back of my Koni to remind me to remove the lens cap and darkslide. I shot nearly a half of a roll before I realized I had left my cap on. (It's a generic lens cap). I've done all sorts of silly things (and will continue to do so). So don't be afraid to ask questions when the time comes. It's an awesome camera. And fun too! Barbara -----Original Message----- From: afs760bf@cox.net [mailto:afs760bf@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:42 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Digital/film/etc This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Mail Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 20:50:07 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:50:07 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Digital/film/etc References: <20020625174225.NQGS1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <001d01c21c81$82d12a20$cce6b1d8@evegirard> Barry, Welcome to the group! So nice to have people responding and to have new voices coming out of the ether. I must shake my head over something and laugh at myself. You have such knowledge and experience with digital yet show concern about "messing up" (modestly put, I'm sure) a few rolls of 120. I laugh, 'cause I'm just the opposite! I have total faith in film and still can't go near digital without my knees knocking. My own set of foibles, to be sure. Welcome aboard, Barry!!! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: [KOML] Digital/film/etc > HI, all. > I'm new to the list and just seeing if this would work. I'm not very familiar with this strictly email type of list. I'm a member of a few others (the Konicaslr list on Yahoo, for instance) and they are bulletin board type lists, so not sure about this one. I've owned Konica stuff since about 1980 and have three FT-1's, used to have an FS-1 that died. I now own a Koni 200, purchased about two months ago. Sent it to Greg Weber who overhauled it. It is ready to shoot, but I haven't had time to put it through it's paces yet. So I joined the list mostly just to read the posts. But I was interested in the digital question. I own a Minolta Dimage S304 - 3.3 megapixels. It's really a nice camera and can do a lot of things for something so small. The flash is bothersome because its so close to the lens and washes out anything in the foreground, but for most things, it does a great job, and I can get a nice sharp 8X10 with no problem. Ran out of film at a wedding (I was just a guest) and shot a couple with > digital - came out great. I really like the auto-focus for still things, since my eyes are getting older. That helps a lot. Of course, the same autofocus is a pain to wait for if you need a picture NOW. I just have a 64 meg flashcard, but it will hold about 50 pics at the next to highest resolution, which is pretty sharp. I, too, have slides scanned, and the nice feature of that is that you can take the scanned slides, put them in PSP or PS, and take out artifacts or bothersome distractions. Nice feature. Anyway, nice to make the aquaintance of you folks, and I hope this gets through. I'll probably have some questions after messing up a few rolls of 120 on my Koni. > Best, > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 21:06:06 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:06:06 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: <001d01c21c81$82d12a20$cce6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: Hi folks- I'm curious... Virtually all of the posts I have seen on this list deal with the rangefinder Omegas... I am an Omegaflex-M shooter and lover of the TLR... Anyone else out there shoot this camera? Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 21:28:30 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:28:30 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M Message-ID: Nope, but I shot and enjoyed a Yashicamat 124G until I sold it to help pay for the digital camera. Now, I'm eye-balling those Seagulls (bad bad girl). I bet the omegaflex is a lot more fun! :p Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Eric Goldstein [mailto:egoldste@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:06 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M Hi folks- I'm curious... Virtually all of the posts I have seen on this list deal with the rangefinder Omegas... I am an Omegaflex-M shooter and lover of the TLR... Anyone else out there shoot this camera? Eric Goldstein _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 21:24:17 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:24:17 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M References: Message-ID: <00b201c21c86$48702660$cce6b1d8@evegirard> Eric, I would in a heart-beat if I could find one! I'm such a TLR freak that I have a 4x5 Gowlandflex. That makes an Omega-flex almost mandatory, dontcha think? They seem to have vanished from the market-place and, no, I don't E-Bay. Best, Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Goldstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M > Hi folks- > > I'm curious... Virtually all of the posts I have seen on this list deal with > the rangefinder Omegas... I am an Omegaflex-M shooter and lover of the > TLR... Anyone else out there shoot this camera? > > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 23:36:58 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: <00b201c21c86$48702660$cce6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020625223658.13527.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Eve, To paraphrase Barbara, don't fear eBay just because it's new -- try it! :-) I will admit that there is the danger of addiction. When I first discovered eBay, I had so much fun competing in the auctions that I bought some things I didn't really want, and overpaid for others! Something primordial about the thrill of the chase, dogs & cars, that sort of thing. But after figuratively chipping my teeth on a few bumpers, I settled down to happily building my Konica 35mm and Koni systems. Of course it pays to do your price research in advance in case the bidding gets out of hand. But even if you don't, most of the time you'll save 20-50% off of retail prices on used camera gear. And out of 50+ purchases, I've only been disappointed in the goods 3 times -- each case being resolved promptly to my satisfaction. I've tried camera shows, pawn shops and camera stores for used K35 and Koni gear. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. I suspect that using the old-fashioned methods, I'd NEVER have found some of the choice pieces I've gotten on eBay (and at good prices!). Indeed, it's becoming the venue of first choice for many, many sellers, and by far the largest single marketplace for used camera gear. And no, I'm not a paid spokesperson! -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > Eric, > I would in a heart-beat if I could find one! > I'm such a TLR freak that > I have a 4x5 Gowlandflex. That makes an Omega-flex > almost mandatory, > dontcha think? They seem to have vanished from the > market-place and, no, I > don't E-Bay. > Best, > Eve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Goldstein" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:06 PM > Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M > > > > Hi folks- > > > > I'm curious... Virtually all of the posts I have > seen on this list deal > with > > the rangefinder Omegas... I am an Omegaflex-M > shooter and lover of the > > TLR... Anyone else out there shoot this camera? > > > > > > Eric Goldstein > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 21:48:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:48:42 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: <00b201c21c86$48702660$cce6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: "Eve Girard" wrote: > Eric, > I would in a heart-beat if I could find one! I'm such a TLR freak that > I have a 4x5 Gowlandflex. That makes an Omega-flex almost mandatory, > dontcha think? They seem to have vanished from the market-place and, no, I > don't E-Bay. Eve - if you haven't already, call Peter Gowland! He is a great guy, very generous with his time and fascinating... He's no spring chicken so do it... He will love hearing from you and you will always remember having had the time with him... He is truly one of the greats... You will find contact information for him on his web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~petergowland/PeterGowland_Contact.html What lens do you shoot with the G-flex? Is it set up for portraits? Yes the Omegaflex is manditory... But you are right they are rare beasts. I'm trying now to help a fellow photog find one and it is not easy. They are just superb cameras... Second to none. Big honker though... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 21:52:02 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:52:02 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" wrote: > Now, I'm eye-balling those Seagulls (bad bad girl). > I bet the omegaflex is a lot more fun! B - You are so bad... A seagull? No chocolate and flowers for you ;-) Maybe you'd consider a Rolleicord instead? Get a III, IV or even a V... Less money than the Seagull and great cameras/lenses... But of course not an Omegaflex... (of course) Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 21:53:59 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:53:59 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Gallery? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, whose got their shots up on the web so we can look and learn something useful? EG From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 21:56:51 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:56:51 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M Message-ID: I DO ebay, and there are precious few Omegaflexes to be found there. My only TLR, alas, is a lowly Lubitel. --John -----Original Message----- From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:24 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] Omegaflex-M Eric, I would in a heart-beat if I could find one! I'm such a TLR freak that I have a 4x5 Gowlandflex. That makes an Omega-flex almost mandatory, dontcha think? They seem to have vanished from the market-place and, no, I don't E-Bay. Best, Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Goldstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M > Hi folks- > > I'm curious... Virtually all of the posts I have seen on this list deal with > the rangefinder Omegas... I am an Omegaflex-M shooter and lover of the > TLR... Anyone else out there shoot this camera? > > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jun 25 23:22:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020625222255.64237.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> Eric & Co., I have an Omegaflex (as well as a KO200), but to call myself an Omegaflex SHOOTER is a bit of a stretch, since I've only run a couple of rolls through since I bought it! Since you, Eric, almost certainly have more experience with the 'Flex, I'd love to hear some of your war stories and impressions. I have reported my newbie impressions to the list before. To recap briefly, I adore the 'Flex, because I love the big focusing screen and the camera's overall funky, but very functional, design. And so far I'm more comfortable with it in the studio (I like the RF for outdoors). Another great thing about the Omegaflex is the more ready availability of the 135mm lens. And based on my limited experience, I think it's everything it's reputed to be. Gorgeous. One of my top goals for this summer is to do at least 1 good multi-roll shoot with each of my Konis (hey, gotta be realistic!). I'm taking the 200 car-camping on the July 4 weekend, in the Sequoia National Forest. I haven't decided what to shoot with the 'Flex yet. I read somewhere that the Omegaflex is not technically a TLR, unless you add the optional reflex finder. (I like the chimney finder.) "Stock", it's really a TLV -- Twin Lens View -- camera! -Paul --- Eric Goldstein wrote: > Hi folks- > > I'm curious... Virtually all of the posts I have > seen on this list deal with > the rangefinder Omegas... I am an Omegaflex-M > shooter and lover of the > TLR... Anyone else out there shoot this camera? > > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 00:20:02 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:20:02 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Beaver, John" wrote: > I DO ebay, and there are precious few Omegaflexes to be found there. > > My only TLR, alas, is a lowly Lubitel. I use a Sputnik, which is basically two Lubies fused together to make a MF Stereo Camera... I've seen some pretty decent images out of them... How's your luck been? Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 00:54:35 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:54:35 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Digital/film/etc References: <20020625174225.NQGS1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D1902BB.C8CFAE8C@earthlink.net> Hi Barry, Welcome aboard!(Is this Barry from Oklahoma?)Being a dyed-in-the-wool Kon= icanista,you`re really going to enjoy the Big Daddy of all Konicas.If you= think 35mm Hexanon glass is good, you`re in for a real treat with the me= dium-format version, especially the wide angle 58mm(aka 60mm). It`s the t= ypical Konica deal, great quality at reasonable prices.I`m glad you joine= d the group...have fun with your new camera. Robert afs760bf@cox.net wrote: > HI, all. > I'm new to the list and just seeing if this would work. I'm not very f= amiliar with this strictly email type of list. I'm a member of a few othe= rs (the Konicaslr list on Yahoo, for instance) and they are bulletin boar= d type lists, so not sure about this one. I've owned Konica stuff since = about 1980 and have three FT-1's, used to have an FS-1 that died. I now = own a Koni 200, purchased about two months ago. Sent it to Greg Weber wh= o overhauled it. It is ready to shoot, but I haven't had time to put it = through it's paces yet. So I joined the list mostly just to read the pos= ts. But I was interested in the digital question. I own a Minolta Dimage= S304 - 3.3 megapixels. It's really a nice camera and can do a lot of th= ings for something so small. The flash is bothersome because its so clos= e to the lens and washes out anything in the foreground, but for most thi= ngs, it does a great job, and I can get a nice sharp 8X10 with no problem= =2E Ran out of film at a wedding (I was just a > guest) and shot a couple with digital - came out great. I really like = the auto-focus for still things, since my eyes are getting older. That h= elps a lot. Of course, the same autofocus is a pain to wait for if you ne= ed a picture NOW. I just have a 64 meg flashcard, but it will hold about = 50 pics at the next to highest resolution, which is pretty sharp. I, too= , have slides scanned, and the nice feature of that is that you can take = the scanned slides, put them in PSP or PS, and take out artifacts or both= ersome distractions. Nice feature. Anyway, nice to make the aquaintance = of you folks, and I hope this gets through. I'll probably have some quest= ions after messing up a few rolls of 120 on my Koni. > Best, > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 01:01:03 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:01:03 -0400 Subject: [KOML] And when I got home KOML was talking DIGITAL!!!!! References: <00f901c21bf5$3494ce20$53e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D19043F.F14FD636@earthlink.net> Not to mention a certain romantic undercurrent flying to and fro.....(it`s all your fault, Eve!)Grins, Robert Eve Girard wrote: > And a good evening to all! What a delight to see so many messages and an > actual discussion of wonderful insight - even if it was about digital. (Eve > makes sign of the cross) This is great!! Imagine, instead of talk of > Hottentot circumcisms or the like, there was discourse on photography - > even if done without film (spits on ground)! Bravo, group!!! (waves > pom-poms, does headstand) > I find it ironic that a group about a discontinued camera line can segue > into computerized photo techniques with such ease and open minds. And I > salute you who have chosen to stay current and modern. The combining of > Koni and digital is an interesting creature indeed! Keep it up!!! > Eve > (in Washington State, shuffling of to bed, head bowed, leaving dinosaur-like > footprints in her wake) > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 02:31:22 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:31:22 EDT Subject: [KOML] ko m question Message-ID: <46.2978dee3.2a4a736a@aol.com> --part1_46.2978dee3.2a4a736a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_46.2978dee3.2a4a736a_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Wenwiluc@aol.com Full-name: Wenwiluc Message-ID: <138.1059a5af.2a4a7219@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:25:45 EDT Subject: Fwd: KOML digest, Vol 1 #63 - 13 msgs To: GENDERWARS3@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_46.2978dee3.2a4a7219_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 140 --part2_46.2978dee3.2a4a7219_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part2_46.2978dee3.2a4a7219_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Wenwiluc@aol.com Full-name: Wenwiluc Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:32:27 EDT Subject: Re: KOML digest, Vol 1 #63 - 13 msgs To: koml@koni-omega.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 140 Hello. Perhaps some other koni users can address this issue? Unless, i am the only owner ever to experience it ???? The problem is how far off the distance scale is when you focus with the range finder, plus critical focus is off. I have tried 3 "M" KOs. I have had the same experience with all of them. I used the 58mm, 90mm & 180MM [ the worst offender] lens. I do mostly syncro-sun shots with a norman 200 b strobe. The first camera i sent back to the seller for a refund. The second i sent to greg weber for a complete overhall. The third i purchased from greg weber. All cameras are in super condition. I purchased a koni ground glass and checked the lenses .... they do not focus with accuracy . Between 3-15 feet all is accepatable. However, beyond that, the 15-infinity range the focus/rangefinder is way off. So even though the split image is superimposed the focus is slighty off. Ground glass bares this out! Also important is the distance scale is way-way off it! If it says 20feet it can be more like 25-30 feet when measured with a tape. The error multiplies as distance increases. I've focused on subjects 200' away and still not hit the infinity mark??? Unless you using f/22 this is a problem > also if your trying to balance the strobe with daylight 5-25+ foot error is going to throw off the exposure computation. While those 6x7 frames are great, if the camera focus is off you losing the edge! Any insights?? --part2_46.2978dee3.2a4a7219_boundary-- --part1_46.2978dee3.2a4a736a_boundary-- From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 03:23:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:23:44 -0400 Subject: [KOML] ko m question References: <46.2978dee3.2a4a736a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D1925B0.D8C2C392@earthlink.net> First of all, I don`t think the distance marks on the focusing knob were ever intended to used as an exact measure, they`re more of a rough estimate than anything else.The knob can be easily calibrated; the distance scale is held onto the knob by 2 small screws, remove these to gain access to the set screws that hold the knob onto the shaft.I would be more concerned with does the image you see on the ground glass coincide with what you see in the rangefinder.If your rangefinder needs adjusting, search the old message archive, there`s detailed instructions on how to do it. Good luck! Robert GENDERWARS3@aol.com wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Fwd: KOML digest, Vol 1 #63 - 13 msgs > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:25:45 EDT > From: Wenwiluc@aol.com > To: GENDERWARS3@aol.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: KOML digest, Vol 1 #63 - 13 msgs > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:32:27 EDT > From: Wenwiluc@aol.com > To: koml@koni-omega.org > > Hello. > Perhaps some other koni users can address this issue? Unless, i am the only > owner ever to experience it ???? > > The problem is how far off the distance scale is when you focus with the > range finder, plus critical focus is off. > > I have tried 3 "M" KOs. I have had the same experience with all of them. I > used the 58mm, 90mm & 180MM [ the worst offender] lens. I do mostly > syncro-sun shots with a norman 200 b strobe. > > The first camera i sent back to the seller for a refund. The second i sent > to greg weber for a complete overhall. The third i purchased from greg weber. > All cameras are in super condition. > > I purchased a koni ground glass and checked the lenses .... they do not > focus with accuracy . Between 3-15 feet all is accepatable. However, beyond > that, the 15-infinity range the focus/rangefinder is way off. > > So even though the split image is superimposed the focus is slighty off. > Ground glass bares this out! Also important is the distance scale is way-way > off it! If it says 20feet it can be more like 25-30 feet when measured with > a tape. The error multiplies as distance increases. I've focused on subjects > 200' away and still not hit the infinity mark??? > > Unless you using f/22 this is a problem > also if your trying to balance the > strobe with daylight 5-25+ foot error is going to throw off the exposure > computation. > > While those 6x7 frames are great, if the camera focus is off you losing the > edge! > > Any insights?? From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 05:53:29 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:53:29 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M References: Message-ID: <017701c21ccd$6ad65520$cce6b1d8@evegirard> Eric, Thank you for the Gowland link and I do hope others will use it! I've been yakking with Peter off and on for quite awhile over time. What a sweet man! BTW, go to the cameras section of his site and scroll to the last image. My oh My! My woodflex is an oldie, set up with a 210 Symmar in Synch-Compur. The viewing lens is a Xenar (with diaphragm which makes DOF easily observable thru the top). The O'flex is big, but next to the Gowland, it's a P&S. TLR has always been my big weakness. Ever shoot a Formula One car at speed with a waist-level on a Rollei? The image reversal can drive ya bats! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Goldstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > Eric, > > I would in a heart-beat if I could find one! I'm such a TLR freak that > > I have a 4x5 Gowlandflex. That makes an Omega-flex almost mandatory, > > dontcha think? They seem to have vanished from the market-place and, no, I > > don't E-Bay. > > Eve - if you haven't already, call Peter Gowland! He is a great guy, very > generous with his time and fascinating... He's no spring chicken so do it... > He will love hearing from you and you will always remember having had the > time with him... He is truly one of the greats... You will find contact > information for him on his web site: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~petergowland/PeterGowland_Contact.html > > What lens do you shoot with the G-flex? Is it set up for portraits? > > Yes the Omegaflex is manditory... But you are right they are rare beasts. > I'm trying now to help a fellow photog find one and it is not easy. They are > just superb cameras... Second to none. Big honker though... > > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 06:04:48 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:04:48 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M References: <20020625223658.13527.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <017d01c21cce$ffad8dc0$cce6b1d8@evegirard> Oh, Paul. I am disappointed in you! I never said that I have not TRIED eBaY. I was there when you could actually get a heckuva deal on it. I used to sell stuff, too, and did well. I somehow resent paying top dollar, sight unseen, to some sharpie who has no clue what he is seeing. I can spend roughly the same or in most cases less and get something from a favorite dealer (and there are many) who actually provides a warranty of some sort and who is intelligent enough to grade with accuracy. EBay used to rock, but I grew tired of the shills, the scams and the high prices. I am just now restoring the "perfect" B&J Watson 5x7 (after scrapping the "flawless" bellows) that was one of my final purchases several years back. I'll probably mount the "mint glass" 8 1/4" Taylor Hobson on it once I get the scratches painted over. In both cases the sellers weren't interested in hearing from me post sale. Funny, but I can usually find whatever I want on the net. Plenty of good K O buys out there now. Paul, you have slipped a place or two on my dance card . . . ;>) Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Omegaflex-M > Dear Eve, > > To paraphrase Barbara, don't fear eBay just because > it's new -- try it! :-) > > I will admit that there is the danger of addiction. > When I first discovered eBay, I had so much fun > competing in the auctions that I bought some things I > didn't really want, and overpaid for others! > Something primordial about the thrill of the chase, > dogs & cars, that sort of thing. > > But after figuratively chipping my teeth on a few > bumpers, I settled down to happily building my Konica > 35mm and Koni systems. Of course it pays to do your > price research in advance in case the bidding gets out > of hand. But even if you don't, most of the time > you'll save 20-50% off of retail prices on used camera > gear. And out of 50+ purchases, I've only been > disappointed in the goods 3 times -- each case being > resolved promptly to my satisfaction. > > I've tried camera shows, pawn shops and camera stores > for used K35 and Koni gear. It's like looking for a > needle in a haystack. I suspect that using the > old-fashioned methods, I'd NEVER have found some of > the choice pieces I've gotten on eBay (and at good > prices!). Indeed, it's becoming the venue of first > choice for many, many sellers, and by far the largest > single marketplace for used camera gear. > > And no, I'm not a paid spokesperson! > > -Paul > > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > Eric, > > I would in a heart-beat if I could find one! > > I'm such a TLR freak that > > I have a 4x5 Gowlandflex. That makes an Omega-flex > > almost mandatory, > > dontcha think? They seem to have vanished from the > > market-place and, no, I > > don't E-Bay. > > Best, > > Eve > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eric Goldstein" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:06 PM > > Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M > > > > > > > Hi folks- > > > > > > I'm curious... Virtually all of the posts I have > > seen on this list deal > > with > > > the rangefinder Omegas... I am an Omegaflex-M > > shooter and lover of the > > > TLR... Anyone else out there shoot this camera? > > > > > > > > > Eric Goldstein > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 06:23:26 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:23:26 -0700 Subject: [KOML] And when I got home KOML was talking DIGITAL!!!!! References: <00f901c21bf5$3494ce20$53e6b1d8@evegirard> <3D19043F.F14FD636@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01a901c21cd1$99c40c20$cce6b1d8@evegirard> Oh, hell, Robert, I get blamed for EVERYTHING! ;>) Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] And when I got home KOML was talking DIGITAL!!!!! > Not to mention a certain romantic undercurrent flying to and fro.....(it`s all > your fault, Eve!)Grins, > Robert > > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 13:54:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:54:47 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: <017701c21ccd$6ad65520$cce6b1d8@evegirard> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020626083737.024b75d0@pop.mindspring.com> At 12:53 AM 6/26/2002, you wrote: >Eric, > Thank you for the Gowland link and I do hope others will use it! I've >been yakking with Peter off and on for quite awhile over time. What a sweet >man! BTW, go to the cameras section of his site and scroll to the last >image. My oh My! > My woodflex is an oldie, set up with a 210 Symmar in Synch-Compur. The >viewing lens is a Xenar (with diaphragm which makes DOF easily observable >thru the top). The O'flex is big, but next to the Gowland, it's a P&S. > TLR has always been my big weakness. Ever shoot a Formula One car at >speed with a waist-level on a Rollei? The image reversal can drive ya bats! I have photographed moving trains with my Rollei...bats is right. Got to the point that I zone focused and used the 'sport-finder' to do the actual shot. Then I got a Pentax 6x7 - much better but the kew-SCHWAK of the mirror can rattle your fillings. Sold the Pentax when I bought my first Rapid and have not looked back :) -- Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html You glorify the past when the future dries up - Bono From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 14:21:06 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:21:06 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: <017701c21ccd$6ad65520$cce6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: "Eve Girard" wrote: > Eric, > Thank you for the Gowland link and I do hope others will use it! I've > been yakking with Peter off and on for quite awhile over time. What a sweet > man! BTW, go to the cameras section of his site and scroll to the last > image. My oh My! > My woodflex is an oldie, set up with a 210 Symmar in Synch-Compur. The > viewing lens is a Xenar (with diaphragm which makes DOF easily observable > thru the top). The O'flex is big, but next to the Gowland, it's a P&S. > TLR has always been my big weakness. Ever shoot a Formula One car at > speed with a waist-level on a Rollei? The image reversal can drive ya bats! > Eve Eve- You are hot stuff - I should have known you are a close personal friend of Peters! I am drooling over your camera... Love the older Symmars, what great character on that lens... I LOL when I read your formula 1 question... Cause I used to be involved with the formula 3, ford, group 3/5/7 racing efforts of a couple of european manufacturers, and yes I have shot F1 just as you describe... My brain does not do well trying to work right side up, never mind up side down! What era were you shooting F1? Which circuits? Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 15:18:20 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (koml@koni-omega.org) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:18:20 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Oklahoma? Yes Message-ID: <20020626141819.KCPM4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Hi, Robert, Yes, this is Barry from Oklahoma. I notice a couple of familiar names from the Konicaslr list. Thanks, everyone, for the welcome. This seems like a fun group. As far as the 58mm lens goes, I bought a MINT one. It had been so unused that the timer was way off, so Greg had to replace it. So I have the 90mm and the 58mm with finder. That should be enough to confuse me for a while. Maybe I can save my pennies to try for a 135mm. I've seen a couple of Omegaflexes on ebay (I've bought a lot of Konica stuff on ebay) but they're out of my price range for now. Looks like a nice camera, though. I'm really impressed with all the medium/large format stuff you folks own and use. A nice education. Thanks again. Best, Barry From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 15:35:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:35:55 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M Message-ID: I've been eyeing those Sputniks for a while now, but I really need another camera like a hole in the head. I have a Lubitel 166, which I think is the best of the lot. My wife has a much newer 166 Universal, and it is of much lower quality in almost every way (it does allow you to switch to 4.5x6 though). The 166 (not 166B or 166U) actually frames automatically with a gear train, and automatically cocks the shutter when you wind. I think all the other versions use a, rather leaky, red window and must be cocked manually. I think it's also the only one with a hot shoe. The lens is surprisingly non-terrible, and now and then I get a beautiful shot with it. It vignettes a little, but not as badly as rumor has it, in my experience. Biggest problem is film flatness, and the pins that hold the spools in place have too much play in them so occasionally the film will get a little off track on the takeup spool. Also the ground glass spot is a bit small and coarse, and the focusing magnifier is of fairly low quality -- so focusing accurately takes some effort. And it annoyingly lacks any depth-of-field marks or, strangely, a socket for a cable release (the shutter release lever is very smooth, however, and while on a tripod it is possible to trip it succesfully without shaking anything). But it's not hard to find one on ebay, in great condition, for $40 or so shipping included. At that price it's easy to put up with its idiosyncracies, and I've had a lot of fun with mine (and now and then get a nice picture too). -----Original Message----- From: Eric Goldstein [mailto:egoldste@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:20 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M "Beaver, John" wrote: > I DO ebay, and there are precious few Omegaflexes to be found there. > > My only TLR, alas, is a lowly Lubitel. I use a Sputnik, which is basically two Lubies fused together to make a MF Stereo Camera... I've seen some pretty decent images out of them... How's your luck been? Eric Goldstein _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 15:49:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:49:08 -0500 Subject: [KOML] ko m question Message-ID: The rangefinder on my KO Rapid was off when I bought it, but the focus was bang on when set at the infinity stop, as checked by ground glass (well actually, a piece of translucent tape stretched across the focal plane). When you say you don't reach the infinity stop when focusing on distant subjects, is that as checked by your ground glass, or by your probably misadjusted rangefinder? If it's just the rangefinder, that's very easy to adjust (at least on the Rapid, it is). John -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Brown [mailto:archerenterprises@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:24 PM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] ko m question First of all, I don`t think the distance marks on the focusing knob were ever intended to used as an exact measure, they`re more of a rough estimate than anything else.The knob can be easily calibrated; the distance scale is held onto the knob by 2 small screws, remove these to gain access to the set screws that hold the knob onto the shaft.I would be more concerned with does the image you see on the ground glass coincide with what you see in the rangefinder.If your rangefinder needs adjusting, search the old message archive, there`s detailed instructions on how to do it. Good luck! Robert GENDERWARS3@aol.com wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Fwd: KOML digest, Vol 1 #63 - 13 msgs > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:25:45 EDT > From: Wenwiluc@aol.com > To: GENDERWARS3@aol.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: KOML digest, Vol 1 #63 - 13 msgs > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:32:27 EDT > From: Wenwiluc@aol.com > To: koml@koni-omega.org > > Hello. > Perhaps some other koni users can address this issue? Unless, i am the only > owner ever to experience it ???? > > The problem is how far off the distance scale is when you focus with the > range finder, plus critical focus is off. > > I have tried 3 "M" KOs. I have had the same experience with all of them. I > used the 58mm, 90mm & 180MM [ the worst offender] lens. I do mostly > syncro-sun shots with a norman 200 b strobe. > > The first camera i sent back to the seller for a refund. The second i sent > to greg weber for a complete overhall. The third i purchased from greg weber. > All cameras are in super condition. > > I purchased a koni ground glass and checked the lenses .... they do not > focus with accuracy . Between 3-15 feet all is accepatable. However, beyond > that, the 15-infinity range the focus/rangefinder is way off. > > So even though the split image is superimposed the focus is slighty off. > Ground glass bares this out! Also important is the distance scale is way-way > off it! If it says 20feet it can be more like 25-30 feet when measured with > a tape. The error multiplies as distance increases. I've focused on subjects > 200' away and still not hit the infinity mark??? > > Unless you using f/22 this is a problem > also if your trying to balance the > strobe with daylight 5-25+ foot error is going to throw off the exposure > computation. > > While those 6x7 frames are great, if the camera focus is off you losing the > edge! > > Any insights?? _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 19:12:10 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: <017d01c21cce$ffad8dc0$cce6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020626181210.37682.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Uh-oh. I don't know whether to be more distraught over (1) possibly overpaying for my recent eBay purchases, or (2) slipping down on Eve's dance card! :-) I didn't mean to insult, Eve. (I'd never besmirch the fair lass who has single-handedly revived the KOML realm!) You've characterized yourself as a digiphobe, so I jumped to conclusions. But it does sound like my eBay experience has been better than yours. In all seriousness, I do my research and I'm pretty confident that I've been saving money in most cases (and if I can't, I do buy elsewhere). In any event, Omegaflexes do pop up on eBay at least a few times a year, and that may be your best bet if you're serious about getting one. And I'm pretty sure you'd enjoy that camera! Best regards, -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > Oh, Paul. > I am disappointed in you! I never said that I > have not TRIED eBaY. I > was there when you could actually get a heckuva deal > on it. I used to sell > stuff, too, and did well. I somehow resent paying > top dollar, sight unseen, > to some sharpie who has no clue what he is seeing. > I can spend roughly the > same or in most cases less and get something from a > favorite dealer (and > there are many) who actually provides a warranty of > some sort and who is > intelligent enough to grade with accuracy. EBay > used to rock, but I grew > tired of the shills, the scams and the high prices. > I am just now restoring the "perfect" B&J Watson > 5x7 (after scrapping > the "flawless" bellows) that was one of my final > purchases several years > back. I'll probably mount the "mint glass" 8 1/4" > Taylor Hobson on it once > I get the scratches painted over. In both cases the > sellers weren't > interested in hearing from me post sale. > Funny, but I can usually find whatever I want on > the net. Plenty of > good K O buys out there now. > Paul, you have slipped a place or two on my > dance card . . . ;>) > Eve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 21:19:11 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:19:11 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M References: Message-ID: <009f01c21d4e$bc9178a0$cbe6b1d8@evegirard> Eric, Back when I was a lass about to turn 20 (or so) I found myself in Europe (something about an education) in the late 60's/ early 70's. I had always been a rabid F1 fan (cried when Bandini burned at Monaco) and that love coupled with my photo Jones made a natural pairing. I lived in fairly close to Hockenheim arriving there just after Jim Clark died in '68. It had a nice clubby atmosphere and I used to attend all the local events if there wasn't a conflicting F1 race. I travelled the Continent with the circus. My Mom is British and I spent the British GP time with relatives. I do confess that when one is young, blonde, tall and attractive (???!??) one pretty much goes where she pleases. I never had "press" credentials, but was always able to have a paddock pass and decent track access. (and, NO, Eve was a good girl ;>) ) I can usually talk my way into anything (and back out of it, too). I did stay out of Monza as my fanny bruised too easily! (my what strong fingers!)(once was enough) So I missed Jochen Rindt's demise there. I did record his last F1 win at Hockenheim at the first German GP held there. My oh My, I am rambling! To get back to cameras, I wish I had my Rapids then, but Nikon was the thing. I started with a lovely pair of black F's and about '70 added another with motor. I always had a Rollei with me (2.8c Planar)(which I still have). At one time or another I brought along an Olympus Pen F just for the joy of 72 shots without reloading. Ok, the trip down memory lane is over (for now) please depart down the ramp to the door on your left. Best wishes Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Goldstein" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:21 AM Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > Eric, > > Thank you for the Gowland link and I do hope others will use it! I've > > been yakking with Peter off and on for quite awhile over time. What a sweet > > man! BTW, go to the cameras section of his site and scroll to the last > > image. My oh My! > > My woodflex is an oldie, set up with a 210 Symmar in Synch-Compur. The > > viewing lens is a Xenar (with diaphragm which makes DOF easily observable > > thru the top). The O'flex is big, but next to the Gowland, it's a P&S. > > TLR has always been my big weakness. Ever shoot a Formula One car at > > speed with a waist-level on a Rollei? The image reversal can drive ya bats! > > Eve > > > Eve- > > You are hot stuff - I should have known you are a close personal friend of > Peters! I am drooling over your camera... Love the older Symmars, what > great character on that lens... > > I LOL when I read your formula 1 question... Cause I used to be involved > with the formula 3, ford, group 3/5/7 racing efforts of a couple of european > manufacturers, and yes I have shot F1 just as you describe... My brain does > not do well trying to work right side up, never mind up side down! > > What era were you shooting F1? Which circuits? > > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 21:33:54 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:33:54 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Oklahoma? Yes References: <20020626141819.KCPM4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D1A2532.78FB21BA@earthlink.net> Barry, Judging by your previous interactions with the SLR group, I doubt that you`ll have any problem adjusting to the Rapid.It`s such a well-thought-out, logical design(i.e.,you can turn the shutter speed ring and aperture ring together and maintain the same exposure value,several idiot-proof interlocks to prevent shooting with the dark slide engaged,etc.Although you DO have to remember to take the lens cap off!)Almost bought an O`flex a while back, a nice looking rig with a few extras,but got out-sniped in the closing seconds of the auction.Consoled myself by buying a pristine 135 for my Rapid...no regrets!!! Robert afs760bf@cox.net wrote: > Hi, Robert, > Yes, this is Barry from Oklahoma. I notice a couple of familiar names from the Konicaslr list. Thanks, everyone, for the welcome. This seems like a fun group. As far as the 58mm lens goes, I bought a MINT one. It had been so unused that the timer was way off, so Greg had to replace it. So I have the 90mm and the 58mm with finder. That should be enough to confuse me for a while. Maybe I can save my pennies to try for a 135mm. I've seen a couple of Omegaflexes on ebay (I've bought a lot of Konica stuff on ebay) but they're out of my price range for now. Looks like a nice camera, though. I'm really impressed with all the medium/large format stuff you folks own and use. A nice education. Thanks again. > Best, > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 21:28:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:28:33 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M References: <20020626181210.37682.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a701c21d50$0bc5d960$cbe6b1d8@evegirard> Well, Paul, I guess you're back on my card, but no slow dances - yet! I am sure that eBay has its place in the hearts and minds of my countrymen. I am comfortable with my network of collectors and dealers and obscure classifieds. I have not been much of a conformist, so there ya go! Omegaflexes are to be found world-wide not just on eBay. You must use the basic guiding rule here, Paul. What Eve wants, Eve gets. (except a man, dammit)(LOL) So I must away, late for work . . . Best wishes Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Omegaflex-M > Uh-oh. I don't know whether to be more distraught > over (1) possibly overpaying for my recent eBay > purchases, or (2) slipping down on Eve's dance card! > :-) > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jun 26 21:45:35 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: <00a701c21d50$0bc5d960$cbe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020626204535.55453.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: You must use the > basic guiding rule here, Paul. What Eve wants, Eve > gets. (except a man, > dammit)(LOL) > So I must away, late for work . . . > Best wishes > Eve Darned humans, they just seem to have minds of their own!! You certainly do, Eve -- which of course is why you're so lovable. (What's that loud vacuum-like sound?) :-) -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jun 27 05:57:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:57:55 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020626083737.024b75d0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <00ad01c21d97$33dd3f00$b8e6b1d8@evegirard> Craig, Gosh this brings back memories! I usually shot via the w/l simply because I could. A real ego thing having to do with having a big mouth and loving to show off, I suppose. I just love(d) showing up the guys. I loved bringing the proofs by on Fridays after the Thursday practices. It only took a couple of times before they surrendered. Just so there's a K O link here, there's a gent on photo.net looking for a nice 200 M with 90. I have no connection with him (dammit again); I'm just mentioning the fact. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Zeni" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M > > TLR has always been my big weakness. Ever shoot a Formula One car at > >speed with a waist-level on a Rollei? The image reversal can drive ya bats! > > I have photographed moving trains with my Rollei...bats is right. Got to > the point that I zone focused and used the 'sport-finder' to do the actual > shot. > >> > -- > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > > You glorify the past when the future dries up - Bono > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jun 27 17:56:17 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (lee santa) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] REMOVE FROM NEWSGROUP Message-ID: <20020627165617.2390.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jun 27 19:00:27 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:00:27 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: <009f01c21d4e$bc9178a0$cbe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D1B1A7B.15583.1DD02E74@localhost> Dear Eve, How about posting some pictures? Tom On Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 13:19, Eve Girard wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M" saying: > Eric, > Back when I was a lass about to turn 20 (or so) I found myself in > Europe (something about an education) in the late 60's/ early 70's. I had > always been a rabid F1 fan (cried when Bandini burned at Monaco) and that > love coupled with my photo Jones made a natural pairing. I lived in fairly ... ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jun 27 21:04:05 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:04:05 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M In-Reply-To: <20020627194421.74132.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Eric, > Back when I was a lass about to turn 20 (or so) I found myself in > Europe (something about an education) in the late 60's/ early 70's. I had > always been a rabid F1 fan (cried when Bandini burned at Monaco) and that > love coupled with my photo Jones made a natural pairing. I lived in fairly > close to Hockenheim arriving there just after Jim Clark died in '68. It > Had a nice clubby atmosphere and I used to attend all the local events if > there wasn't a conflicting F1 race. I travelled the Continent with the > circus. My Mom is British and I spent the British GP time with relatives. I > do confess that when one is young, blonde, tall and attractive (???!??) one > pretty much goes where she pleases. I never had "press" credentials, but > was always able to have a paddock pass and decent track access. (and, NO, > Eve was a good girl ;>) ) I can usually talk my way into anything (and > Back out of it, too). I did stay out of Monza as my fanny bruised too easily! > (my what strong fingers!)(once was enough) So I missed Jochen Rindt's demise > there. I did record his last F1 win at Hockenheim at the first German GP held > there. > My oh My, I am rambling! To get back to cameras, I wish I had my Rapids > then, but Nikon was the thing. I started with a lovely pair of black F's > and about '70 added another with motor. I always had a Rollei with me > (2.8c Planar)(which I still have). At one time or another I brought along > anOlympus Pen F just for the joy of 72 shots without reloading. > Ok, the trip down memory lane is over (for now) please depart down the ramp > to the door on your left. > Best wishes > Eve Eve - we have much in common it seems, at least historically. I was active with Formula and Group racing a touch later... '75-'77... know the circuits and many of the people you mention, and "dated" a fair number of women who likely were possessed of many of your charms and attributes but not your scruples... I understand completely your status as an uncredentialed but welcomed guest in those circles... I still have my 2.8 C Planar as well and use it frequently... vertigo-free using the eye-level focusing and framing featured on these cameras... If you are ever East it would be a great pleasure to meet you... Regards, Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jun 27 21:57:06 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:57:06 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M References: <3D1B1A7B.15583.1DD02E74@localhost> Message-ID: <002901c21e1d$32e5c8c0$c0e6b1d8@evegirard> Tom, Patience! I have no scanning capabilities (or abilities, either). My best friend is a computer goddess but she is currently embroiled in a horrid divorce with multiple abuse issues involved. To pressure her or to go elsewhere would not be a good plan considering her emotional state. She is going to set me up in the great ether beyond but I have no idea when. I have many images I long to share but unless you're in the neighborhood, well, we're in a bit of bother! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Trottier" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M > Dear Eve, > > How about posting some pictures? > > Tom > > On Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 13:19, Eve Girard > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex-M" saying: > > > Eric, > > Back when I was a lass about to turn 20 (or so) I found myself in > > Europe (something about an education) in the late 60's/ early 70's. I had > > always been a rabid F1 fan (cried when Bandini burned at Monaco) and that > > love coupled with my photo Jones made a natural pairing. I lived in fairly > ... > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 28 06:42:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:42:01 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Macrobinoculars Message-ID: <000801c21e66$88188140$c0e6b1d8@evegirard> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C21E2B.DA379D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just playing on Google aand found this. Old hat to some, but new to me! And it's even list-related! Eve http://www.partsofsw.com/macros.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C21E2B.DA379D20 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Macrobinoculars.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Macrobinoculars.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.partsofsw.com/macros.htm [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.partsofsw.com/macros.htm Modified=209E6B51661EC201C1 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C21E2B.DA379D20-- From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 28 07:08:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:08:21 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex quest Message-ID: <013301c21e6a$34dc1380$c0e6b1d8@evegirard> I wish I had a life! Ok, I feel better . . . Just puttering about tonight and found a decent Omegaflex outfit at a cheapo price out there on the 'net. I've offered to trade a clunky Sinar F that is surplus to me. We'll see what happens. Did I mention that I hardly EVER spend big money on cameras? Lawdy, but I loves a good swap! Some day when it's cold and dark, Auntie Eve will share tales of the Cirkut 10 or the Ektra or the other gems she's wangled into her clutches . . . Now if she could only wangle a man into those clutches . . . . !!!!! ;>) Eve ;>) From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 28 09:06:00 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex quest In-Reply-To: <013301c21e6a$34dc1380$c0e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020628080600.39394.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> Eve, I'm rooting for you and that 'flex outfit to have a hot & long-lasting affair! As for Master Luke's macrobinoculars, about the only thing that it shares with my stock O'flex seems to be the 90mm lens(es). The lens board has been trimmed down to fit onto whatever they used for the binocular body. Interesting about the blue-grey color -- that's the color of the Konica Aerial G camera body. But that beast is much bigger and shaped differently than Luke's toy (and is fitted with a single Hexanon 135mm lens). -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > I wish I had a life! > Ok, I feel better . . . > Just puttering about tonight and found a decent > Omegaflex outfit at a cheapo > price out there on the 'net. I've offered to trade > a clunky Sinar F that is > surplus to me. We'll see what happens. Did I > mention that I hardly EVER > spend big money on cameras? Lawdy, but I loves a > good swap! > Some day when it's cold and dark, Auntie Eve will > share tales of the Cirkut > 10 or the Ektra or the other gems she's wangled into > her clutches . . . > Now if she could only wangle a man into those > clutches . . . . !!!!! > ;>) Eve ;>) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 28 09:10:16 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:10:16 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Omegaflex quest References: <20020628080600.39394.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01a901c21e7b$3dadb480$c0e6b1d8@evegirard> My Gawd, Paul, whatever are you doing awake at this hour???? Visions of ??? going thru your head?!? Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Omegaflex quest > Eve, > > I'm rooting for you and that 'flex outfit to have a > hot & long-lasting affair! > > As for Master Luke's macrobinoculars, about the only > thing that it shares with my stock O'flex seems to be > the 90mm lens(es). The lens board has been trimmed > down to fit onto whatever they used for the binocular > body. Interesting about the blue-grey color -- that's > the color of the Konica Aerial G camera body. But > that beast is much bigger and shaped differently than > Luke's toy (and is fitted with a single Hexanon 135mm > lens). > > -Paul > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > I wish I had a life! > > Ok, I feel better . . . > > Just puttering about tonight and found a decent > > Omegaflex outfit at a cheapo > > price out there on the 'net. I've offered to trade > > a clunky Sinar F that is > > surplus to me. We'll see what happens. Did I > > mention that I hardly EVER > > spend big money on cameras? Lawdy, but I loves a > > good swap! > > Some day when it's cold and dark, Auntie Eve will > > share tales of the Cirkut > > 10 or the Ektra or the other gems she's wangled into > > her clutches . . . > > Now if she could only wangle a man into those > > clutches . . . . !!!!! > > ;>) Eve ;>) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 28 16:13:29 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:13:29 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest In-Reply-To: <013301c21e6a$34dc1380$c0e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: "Eve Girard" wrote: > Now if she could only wangle a man into those clutches . . . . !!!!! Eve - Perhaps you should start a different list and continue with posts along these lines... Stories, photographs, perhaps videos... If you do please count me as your first subscriber... ;-) Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 28 18:43:09 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (P RENNER) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:43:09 -0400 Subject: [KOML] the digital/film debate References: Message-ID: <3D1CA02D.5000907@bellatlantic.net> I have been following the debate going on lately on this koni list.I am in a photo group that meets once a month & we bring prints to critique.the average age is 60 years old with me[48] the youngest & the oldest in his 80's.there are a few people who are dead set against digital while many of the older people are going digital[as they are getting older they can't carry their old heavy cameras like they used to]. I can't understand the anger & hatred tossed at the digital users like they are the anti-christ.It is just a tool! I use both & love both.I shoot with a koni 200-4x5 finney pinhole camera , canon a2,at-1 & ef along with a new Canon g2 digital 4.0 megapixel camera.the images with the g2 are fantastic & I enlarge up to and above 8x10 with great results. sure the 6x7 neg's are outstanding -I use the g2 to pre shoot an image to see the results at times. there is room for both formats in photography.if you do not like digital so be it however stop knocking it until you have invested some time in that medium. to eve's question I like Molson,Coors light,sam adams....especialy on hot days ! live in New Jersey [a state that is very beautiful -it is alot more then you see going down the turnpike ]. I would be onterested in seeing other peoples work . how about some brave souls listing their web sites or posting on photosig or photocritique..... enjoy your day! Chip Renner From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 28 20:00:38 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:00:38 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest In-Reply-To: References: <013301c21e6a$34dc1380$c0e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D1C7A16.19582.2FE4116@localhost> I'm second. Where are those self-portraits? Tom http://ca.profiles.yahoo.com/tomtrottierca On Friday, June 28, 2002 at 11:13, Eric Goldstein wrote re "[KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest" saying: > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > Now if she could only wangle a man into those clutches . . . . !!!!! > > Eve - > > Perhaps you should start a different list and continue with posts along > these lines... Stories, photographs, perhaps videos... > > If you do please count me as your first subscriber... ;-) > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 28 20:03:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] the digital/film debate In-Reply-To: <3D1CA02D.5000907@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: <20020628190336.45839.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Chip, Thanks for weighing in. As one of the analog "dinosaurs" on the list, let me offer the partial defense that I haven't seen anyone HERE spouting "anger & hatred" toward digital cameras or shooters, or even knocking the medium. Some of us are just skeptical that it is right for our particular styles and objectives, at least at this stage of its development. Hearing from someone like you (who shoots a variety of formats) that your G2 gives "great results" at 8x10 & larger certainly nudges me toward giving systems in the 3.3 megapixel & up range a closer look. If nothing else, they might be good "proof" cameras (as you suggest). But as Eric pointed out, we all have to live with scarcity of time & material resources. So I may wait just a bit longer, until braver souls have helped refine the technology ... and forced the price points down even further! ;-) As for beer ... I miss all the great local microbrews in the Seattle area. There are some decent brewpubs here in L.A. -- certainly superior to almost anything in the grocery store. But I'll agree that the wide availability of Sam Adams in stores & bars is a good thing. A great weekend to all! -Paul Reese --- P RENNER wrote: > > > I have been following the debate going on lately on > this koni list.I am > in a photo group that meets once a month & we bring > prints to > critique.the average age is 60 years old with me[48] > the youngest & the > oldest in his 80's.there are a few people who are > dead set against > digital while many of the older people are going > digital[as they are > getting older they can't carry their old heavy > cameras like they used > to]. I can't understand the anger & hatred tossed at > the digital users > like they are the anti-christ.It is just a tool! > I use both & love both.I shoot with a koni 200-4x5 > finney pinhole camera > , canon a2,at-1 & ef along with a new Canon g2 > digital 4.0 megapixel > camera.the images with the g2 are fantastic & I > enlarge up to and above > 8x10 with great results. > sure the 6x7 neg's are outstanding -I use the g2 to > pre shoot an image > to see the results at times. > there is room for both formats in photography.if you > do not like digital > so be it however stop knocking it until you have > invested some time in > that medium. > to eve's question I like Molson,Coors light,sam > adams....especialy on > hot days ! > live in New Jersey [a state that is very beautiful > -it is alot more then > you see going down the turnpike ]. I would be > onterested in seeing > other peoples work . how about some brave souls > listing their web sites > or posting on photosig or photocritique..... > enjoy your day! > Chip Renner > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 28 21:29:30 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:29:30 -0700 Subject: [KOML] the digital/film debate References: <3D1CA02D.5000907@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: <001301c21ee2$836e95e0$eee6b1d8@evegirard> Chip, A good response to a weighty problem. "If it works for you" should become a mantra of tolerance and wisdom. I, too, have seen some marvellous work done with digital. My personal problem is a very limited grasp of the digital medium and no time in which to learn. Plus, I just don't have a burning desire to go there. BUT I certainly do not condemn anyone for deciding what is right for them. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "P RENNER" To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: [KOML] the digital/film debate > > > I have been following the debate going on lately on this koni list.I am > in a photo group that meets once a month & we bring prints to > critique.the average age is 60 years old with me[48] the youngest & the > oldest in his 80's.there are a few people who are dead set against > digital while many of the older people are going digital[as they are > getting older they can't carry their old heavy cameras like they used > to]. I can't understand the anger & hatred tossed at the digital users > like they are the anti-christ.It is just a tool! > I use both & love both.I shoot with a koni 200-4x5 finney pinhole camera > , canon a2,at-1 & ef along with a new Canon g2 digital 4.0 megapixel > camera.the images with the g2 are fantastic & I enlarge up to and above > 8x10 with great results. > sure the 6x7 neg's are outstanding -I use the g2 to pre shoot an image > to see the results at times. > there is room for both formats in photography.if you do not like digital > so be it however stop knocking it until you have invested some time in > that medium. > to eve's question I like Molson,Coors light,sam adams....especialy on > hot days ! > live in New Jersey [a state that is very beautiful -it is alot more then > you see going down the turnpike ]. I would be onterested in seeing > other peoples work . how about some brave souls listing their web sites > or posting on photosig or photocritique..... > enjoy your day! > Chip Renner > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 28 21:47:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:47:18 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest References: Message-ID: <3D1CCB56.814E19DA@earthlink.net> Sure!! An "Eve`e Hot Personals" of sorts....maybe you could let us take turns writing the copy for your ads; my first submission: Tall, adventerous blonde with photo fetish and great Southern exposure seeking an Honest-to-God MAN with high-functioning thinkulator and well-stocked toolbox for indescribably exquisite encounters." (too much?/not enough?) Robert Eric Goldstein wrote: > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > Now if she could only wangle a man into those clutches . . . . !!!!! > > Eve - > > Perhaps you should start a different list and continue with posts along > these lines... Stories, photographs, perhaps videos... > > If you do please count me as your first subscriber... ;-) > > Eric Goldstein > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jun 28 21:46:10 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:46:10 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest References: <3D1CCB56.814E19DA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006801c21ee4$d5fd01a0$eee6b1d8@evegirard> I really love you guys! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest > Sure!! An "Eve`e Hot Personals" of sorts....maybe you could let us take > turns writing the copy for your ads; my first submission: > Tall, adventerous blonde with photo fetish and great Southern exposure > seeking an Honest-to-God MAN with high-functioning thinkulator and > well-stocked toolbox for indescribably exquisite encounters." > (too much?/not enough?) > Robert > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > > > Now if she could only wangle a man into those clutches . . . . !!!!! > > > > Eve - > > > > Perhaps you should start a different list and continue with posts along > > these lines... Stories, photographs, perhaps videos... > > > > If you do please count me as your first subscriber... ;-) > > > > Eric Goldstein > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 29 01:47:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:47:37 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest In-Reply-To: <3D1CCB56.814E19DA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D1CCB69.10890.62DAA9@localhost> I shutter to think of it... Tom On Friday, June 28, 2002 at 16:47, Nancy Brown wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest" saying: > Sure!! An "Eve`e Hot Personals" of sorts....maybe you could let us take > turns writing the copy for your ads; my first submission: > Tall, adventerous blonde with photo fetish and great Southern exposure > seeking an Honest-to-God MAN with high-functioning thinkulator and > well-stocked toolbox for indescribably exquisite encounters." > (too much?/not enough?) > Robert > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > > > Now if she could only wangle a man into those clutches . . . . !!!!! ... ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 29 01:48:07 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:48:07 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest In-Reply-To: <006801c21ee4$d5fd01a0$eee6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D1CCB87.26357.634FBE@localhost> Prove it! Tom On Friday, June 28, 2002 at 13:46, Eve Girard wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest" saying: > I really love you guys! > Eve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Brown" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest > > > > Sure!! An "Eve`e Hot Personals" of sorts....maybe you could let us take > > turns writing the copy for your ads; my first submission: > > Tall, adventerous blonde with photo fetish and great Southern exposure > > seeking an Honest-to-God MAN with high-functioning thinkulator and > > well-stocked toolbox for indescribably exquisite encounters." > > (too much?/not enough?) > > Robert > > > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > > > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > > > > > Now if she could only wangle a man into those clutches . . . . !!!!! > > > > > > Eve - ... ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 29 03:42:26 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:42:26 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest References: <3D1CCB87.26357.634FBE@localhost> Message-ID: <007a01c21f16$9b79fd80$eee6b1d8@evegirard> Excuse me, did someone hear an "oink" from the recesses of Canada? Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Trottier" To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest > Prove it! > > Tom > > On Friday, June 28, 2002 at 13:46, Eve Girard > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest" saying: > > > I really love you guys! > > Eve > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nancy Brown" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest > > > > > > > Sure!! An "Eve`e Hot Personals" of sorts....maybe you could let us take > > > turns writing the copy for your ads; my first submission: > > > Tall, adventerous blonde with photo fetish and great Southern exposure > > > seeking an Honest-to-God MAN with high-functioning thinkulator and > > > well-stocked toolbox for indescribably exquisite encounters." > > > (too much?/not enough?) > > > Robert > > > > > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > > > > > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now if she could only wangle a man into those clutches . . . . !!!!! > > > > > > > > Eve - > ... > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jun 29 16:22:16 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:22:16 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest In-Reply-To: <007a01c21f16$9b79fd80$eee6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D1D9868.15108.3839E7C@localhost> No, I'm out of school. Tom On Friday, June 28, 2002 at 19:42, Eve Girard wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest" saying: > Excuse me, did someone hear an "oink" from the recesses of Canada? > Eve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Trottier" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest > > > > Prove it! > > > > Tom > > > > On Friday, June 28, 2002 at 13:46, Eve Girard > > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Omegaflex quest" saying: > > > > > I really love you guys! > > > Eve ... ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jun 30 09:01:05 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:01:05 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Mad in the Heat! Message-ID: <016101c2200c$49d09ce0$89e6b1d8@evegirard> "It must be the heat! You've all gone a little MAD!!!! - Bob ." Not to worry, Bob, I've always been a little mad! Besides, it never gets that hot in this part of Washington! And then, there's poor Roger who is apologizing very sweetly for something he did not do! Bless you, Roger! If I ever sound depressed, well, I just get that way sometimes; I just write it off to feminine perogative and I hope you all will do the same. The digital/film discussion is entertaining. The fact that the KOML family is growing is wonderful. What's there to gloom and doom over? Don't we all have spots when the creative juices either over flow or just plain dry up? I do believe that's part of life; just little potholes to span or drive around. So, what's the agenda for the 4th? Anything exciting going on? I had planned on just staying home, but (hang on!) I may have a date! He doesn't appear to be gay or married, so it'll either be flatulence or a lawyer in his family . . . something always happens. ;>) But if that doesn't pan out I'll slip on the 180 and go people-hunting before the fireworks start. And if he's ok, well, maybe the fireworks will last all night. Yeah, right. Off to bed, Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jun 30 13:56:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:56:44 -0500 Subject: [KOML] K-O Story Message-ID: Thursday my boss (i.e., the Dean) breathlessly invaded my office -- "Do you have a 2x2 camera? Eagon says you have a 2x2." "Do you mean a 2 1/4 x 2 1/4??" "Yeah, whatever. I'm looking for something that'll take a more detailed picture than 35mm." Turns out he had made arrangements for an airplane to fly over the sprawling UW-Fox campus, and he wanted some good pictures. So I told him, yes, I have a couple of 6x6 cameras, but also a 6x9, and a fantastic 6x7 called a Koni-Omega Rapid (whip out recently printed 8x10). Wow, I'm thinking. Cool. I get to go for an airplane ride. No such luck though. He just wanted my camera, not me -- even though he's never used a KO, or anything medium format, or even a light meter other than the one in the viewfinder of his Nikkormat. I suppose I could have insisted it would be me and the KO or no KO. But I was afraid he'd finally remember that I'd borrowed his ring flash a few months back. Until he remembers, it's as if I have my own ring flash, for free (unless I break it), and I kind of like that situation. So I gave him a quick lesson on the KO Rapid and my old Gossen meter. The rest of the day I kept having little daymares -- he'd forget to take the lens cap off, point the camera out the window, and the precious metal K-O lens cap would blow off and spiral 2000 feet to the ground. Or worse (I can hardly type it, it's so horrifying), he'd be too dumb to use the wrist strap, and then a bit of turbulence..... That night I dreamed he returned my KO. In a corrugated cardboard box. Completely disassembled. For some Deanly reason he had taken it apart, and then couldn't get it back together again. The tiny screws were all over the bottom of the box, wedged into the spaces between the cardboard flaps. The box had leaky corners. I was frantically counting the screws when I woke in a cold sweat. From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jun 30 14:06:54 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:06:54 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <016101c2200c$49d09ce0$89e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: "Eve Girard" wrote: > So, what's the agenda for the 4th? Anything exciting going on? I had > planned on just staying home, but (hang on!) I may have a date! He doesn't > appear to be gay or married, so it'll either be flatulence or a lawyer in > his family . . . something always happens. ;>) But if that doesn't pan out > I'll slip on the 180 and go people-hunting before the fireworks start. And > if he's ok, well, maybe the fireworks will last all night. Yeah, right. Dear Eve - You must start your own list! I have a feeling that expertise in photography is just the tip of the iceberg and we want to get at all the other good stuff... How's about we call it "All About Eve?" Topica.com or yahoo groups will host you for free... I'll be glad to help you get it going, and members/friends of members of this list will be the charter members... Waddayah say? Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jun 30 14:09:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:09:55 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: K-O Story In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Beaver, John" wrote: > Thursday my boss (i.e., the Dean) Dean of what? (Good story btw...) Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jun 30 17:43:32 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] K-O Story In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020630164332.131.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> LOL! Thanks, John. And I hope your clairvoyant powers are lousy! -Paul --- "Beaver, John" wrote: > Thursday my boss (i.e., the Dean) breathlessly > invaded my office -- "Do you > have a 2x2 camera? Eagon says you have a 2x2." > > "Do you mean a 2 1/4 x 2 1/4??" > > "Yeah, whatever. I'm looking for something that'll > take a more detailed > picture than 35mm." > > Turns out he had made arrangements for an airplane > to fly over the sprawling > UW-Fox campus, and he wanted some good pictures. So > I told him, yes, I have > a couple of 6x6 cameras, but also a 6x9, and a > fantastic 6x7 called a > Koni-Omega Rapid (whip out recently printed 8x10). > > Wow, I'm thinking. Cool. I get to go for an > airplane ride. > > No such luck though. He just wanted my camera, not > me -- even though he's > never used a KO, or anything medium format, or even > a light meter other than > the one in the viewfinder of his Nikkormat. I > suppose I could have insisted > it would be me and the KO or no KO. But I was > afraid he'd finally remember > that I'd borrowed his ring flash a few months back. > Until he remembers, > it's as if I have my own ring flash, for free > (unless I break it), and I > kind of like that situation. > > So I gave him a quick lesson on the KO Rapid and my > old Gossen meter. > > The rest of the day I kept having little daymares -- > he'd forget to take the > lens cap off, point the camera out the window, and > the precious metal K-O > lens cap would blow off and spiral 2000 feet to the > ground. Or worse (I can > hardly type it, it's so horrifying), he'd be too > dumb to use the wrist > strap, and then a bit of turbulence..... > > That night I dreamed he returned my KO. In a > corrugated cardboard box. > Completely disassembled. For some Deanly reason he > had taken it apart, and > then couldn't get it back together again. The tiny > screws were all over the > bottom of the box, wedged into the spaces between > the cardboard flaps. The > box had leaky corners. I was frantically counting > the screws when I woke in > a cold sweat. > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jun 30 17:58:26 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:58:26 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Mad in the Heat! References: <016101c2200c$49d09ce0$89e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D1F38B2.22B11DDE@earthlink.net> Eve, Here`s wishing you a Grand Finale! (assuming he`s not a six-fingered inbred, that is!) Have Fun!!! Robert Eve Girard wrote: > "It must be the heat! You've all gone a little MAD!!!! - Bob ." > > Not to worry, Bob, I've always been a little mad! > Besides, it never gets that hot in this part of Washington! > And then, there's poor Roger who is apologizing very sweetly for something > he did not do! Bless you, Roger! If I ever sound depressed, well, I just > get that way sometimes; I just write it off to feminine perogative and I > hope you all will do the same. > The digital/film discussion is entertaining. The fact that the KOML > family is growing is wonderful. What's there to gloom and doom over? > Don't we all have spots when the creative juices either over flow or just > plain dry up? I do believe that's part of life; just little potholes to > span or drive around. > So, what's the agenda for the 4th? Anything exciting going on? I had > planned on just staying home, but (hang on!) I may have a date! He doesn't > appear to be gay or married, so it'll either be flatulence or a lawyer in > his family . . . something always happens. ;>) But if that doesn't pan out > I'll slip on the 180 and go people-hunting before the fireworks start. And > if he's ok, well, maybe the fireworks will last all night. Yeah, right. > Off to bed, > Eve > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jun 30 21:21:46 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <3D1F38B2.22B11DDE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020630202146.13377.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> Robert, In the spirit of tolerance and open-mindedness that we're trying to cultivate here on the list, shouldn't we consider the possibility that a date with 6 fingers might be a GOOD thing in some ways? I mean, maybe it makes him really fast with his cash ... or good at manipulating a K-O shutter release while maintaining a steady hand-hold ... or ... ?? Have fun, Eve! And if you end up strapping, er, slipping on the 180, that might be fun, too! :-) >From the fringes of bad taste (suburban L.A.), -Paul --- Nancy Brown wrote: > Eve, > Here`s wishing you a Grand Finale! > (assuming he`s not a six-fingered inbred, that is!) > Have Fun!!! > Robert > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > "It must be the heat! You've all gone a little > MAD!!!! - Bob ." > > > > Not to worry, Bob, I've always been a little mad! > > Besides, it never gets that hot in this part of > Washington! > > And then, there's poor Roger who is apologizing > very sweetly for something > > he did not do! Bless you, Roger! If I ever sound > depressed, well, I just > > get that way sometimes; I just write it off to > feminine perogative and I > > hope you all will do the same. > > The digital/film discussion is entertaining. > The fact that the KOML > > family is growing is wonderful. What's there to > gloom and doom over? > > Don't we all have spots when the creative juices > either over flow or just > > plain dry up? I do believe that's part of life; > just little potholes to > > span or drive around. > > So, what's the agenda for the 4th? Anything > exciting going on? I had > > planned on just staying home, but (hang on!) I may > have a date! He doesn't > > appear to be gay or married, so it'll either be > flatulence or a lawyer in > > his family . . . something always happens. ;>) > But if that doesn't pan out > > I'll slip on the 180 and go people-hunting before > the fireworks start. And > > if he's ok, well, maybe the fireworks will last > all night. Yeah, right. > > Off to bed, > > Eve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 1 00:29:54 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:29:54 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: Message-ID: <3D1F9472.51163A2C@earthlink.net> Eric, I do believe you`re onto something here....maybe we could set Eve up in a private-eye-type scenario;some preliminary script (first draft): "OK, you`ve seen Kojak and Kolchak, here comes Eve Kodak, Crime Photographer.Armed with only giant cameras and a wicked attitude, she and her trusty sidekick Joe DeVelop fight crime across the Pacific Northwest."Or, then again, maybe we could do a post-Apocalyptic Barbarella-type thing.Hmmmmm.......... Robert Eric Goldstein wrote: > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > So, what's the agenda for the 4th? Anything exciting going on? I had > > planned on just staying home, but (hang on!) I may have a date! He doesn't > > appear to be gay or married, so it'll either be flatulence or a lawyer in > > his family . . . something always happens. ;>) But if that doesn't pan out > > I'll slip on the 180 and go people-hunting before the fireworks start. And > > if he's ok, well, maybe the fireworks will last all night. Yeah, right. > > Dear Eve - > > You must start your own list! I have a feeling that expertise in photography > is just the tip of the iceberg and we want to get at all the other good > stuff... > > How's about we call it "All About Eve?" Topica.com or yahoo groups will host > you for free... I'll be glad to help you get it going, and members/friends > of members of this list will be the charter members... > > Waddayah say? > > Eric Goldstein > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 1 00:49:50 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:49:50 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <3D1F9472.51163A2C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: > Eric, I do believe you`re onto something here....maybe we could set Eve up in > a > private-eye-type scenario;some preliminary script (first draft): "OK, you`ve > seen > Kojak and Kolchak, here comes Eve Kodak, Crime Photographer.Armed with only > giant > cameras and a wicked attitude, she and her trusty sidekick Joe DeVelop fight > crime > across the Pacific Northwest."Or, then again, maybe we could do a > post-Apocalyptic > Barbarella-type thing.Hmmmmm.......... > Robert Robert - I am guessing that Eve needs no "setting up" from us or anyone else... And your interest in jumping right in to take her there is frankly just a little bit scary... ;-) Back to KO and safer ground folks... We now resume regular programming... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 1 01:23:29 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:23:29 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: <3D1F9472.51163A2C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011f01c22095$86ea1960$7ce6b1d8@evegirard> Eric and Paul and Robert You guys are something else! Geez, I'm just a country girl who works for a living and snaps a picture every now and then . . .! (ok, I'm really the Queen of Sheba, but that's for another list) If you'll remember, Barbarella was sentenced to death by the pleasure machine; she destroyed the machine. I am indeed flattered by the comparison! ;<) The chances of 6-fingered dates here are quite high. We have many small towns in the fringes that have only 3 or 4 last names in the phone books. The ones who don't live in towns dwell in caves and eat their young. Ok, Ok, only teasing, Chamber of Commerce! You may be able to guess that I'm not a native Washingtonian. Can anyone remember the first picture they ever took? I was 7 and had my first Brownie Hawkeye. I saw a Mallard in the Truckee River in Reno and knew I had to record it. I got my Mom to walk me downstream to a bridge and waited there until it passed beneath. I still have that old print. Any similar memories? Well, since the weather is cool and we're between showers (miss it, Paul?) I'm outta here! I have a model waiting and we'll see what comes of the shoot. I feel great both in a physical and spiritual way and inspiration is about to strike. Hell, I couldda bin a contenda! Thanks to all for your humor and to the rest for their patience while we have sport here! Eve BTW, I'm using a Rapid in the shoot, mostly with a 90 on board and I'll trot out the Gowlandflex for some cut Azo contacts. There, we've mentioned K O! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! > Eric, I do believe you`re onto something here....maybe we could set Eve up in a > private-eye-type scenario;some preliminary script (first draft): "OK, you`ve seen > Kojak and Kolchak, here comes Eve Kodak, Crime Photographer.Armed with only giant > cameras and a wicked attitude, she and her trusty sidekick Joe DeVelop fight crime > across the Pacific Northwest."Or, then again, maybe we could do a post-Apocalyptic > Barbarella-type thing.Hmmmmm.......... > Robert > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > > > So, what's the agenda for the 4th? Anything exciting going on? I had > > > planned on just staying home, but (hang on!) I may have a date! He doesn't > > > appear to be gay or married, so it'll either be flatulence or a lawyer in > > > his family . . . something always happens. ;>) But if that doesn't pan out > > > I'll slip on the 180 and go people-hunting before the fireworks start. And > > > if he's ok, well, maybe the fireworks will last all night. Yeah, right. > > > > Dear Eve - > > > > You must start your own list! I have a feeling that expertise in photography > > is just the tip of the iceberg and we want to get at all the other good > > stuff... > > > > How's about we call it "All About Eve?" Topica.com or yahoo groups will host > > you for free... I'll be glad to help you get it going, and members/friends > > of members of this list will be the charter members... > > > > Waddayah say? > > > > Eric Goldstein > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 1 01:27:17 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:27:17 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: Message-ID: <012b01c22096$0f0a1f20$7ce6b1d8@evegirard> Eric, my Protector! But rest assured. Many have tried; many have fallen! Let's get back to our interest here. I'm certainly not THAT fascinating! I'll write more tonight. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Goldstein" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:49 PM Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! > > Eric, I do believe you`re onto something here....maybe we could set Eve up in > > a > > private-eye-type scenario;some preliminary script (first draft): "OK, you`ve > > seen > > Kojak and Kolchak, here comes Eve Kodak, Crime Photographer.Armed with only > > giant > > cameras and a wicked attitude, she and her trusty sidekick Joe DeVelop fight > > crime > > across the Pacific Northwest."Or, then again, maybe we could do a > > post-Apocalyptic > > Barbarella-type thing.Hmmmmm.......... > > Robert > > Robert - > > I am guessing that Eve needs no "setting up" from us or anyone else... And > your interest in jumping right in to take her there is frankly just a little > bit scary... ;-) > > Back to KO and safer ground folks... We now resume regular programming... > > > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 1 00:13:00 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:13:00 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Mad in the Heat! References: <20020630202146.13377.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1F907C.C53D47BF@earthlink.net> You`re absolutely right!!!It IS one possible way of converting her to "Digital"! Robert (all my entendres are double...) "Paul R." wrote: > Robert, > > In the spirit of tolerance and open-mindedness that > we're trying to cultivate here on the list, shouldn't > we consider the possibility that a date with 6 fingers > might be a GOOD thing in some ways? > > I mean, maybe it makes him really fast with his cash > ... or good at manipulating a K-O shutter release > while maintaining a steady hand-hold ... or ... ?? > > Have fun, Eve! And if you end up strapping, er, > slipping on the 180, that might be fun, too! :-) > > >From the fringes of bad taste (suburban L.A.), > > -Paul > > > --- Nancy Brown > wrote: > > Eve, > > Here`s wishing you a Grand Finale! > > (assuming he`s not a six-fingered inbred, that is!) > > Have Fun!!! > > Robert > > > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > "It must be the heat! You've all gone a little > > MAD!!!! - Bob ." > > > > > > Not to worry, Bob, I've always been a little mad! > > > Besides, it never gets that hot in this part of > > Washington! > > > And then, there's poor Roger who is apologizing > > very sweetly for something > > > he did not do! Bless you, Roger! If I ever sound > > depressed, well, I just > > > get that way sometimes; I just write it off to > > feminine perogative and I > > > hope you all will do the same. > > > The digital/film discussion is entertaining. > > The fact that the KOML > > > family is growing is wonderful. What's there to > > gloom and doom over? > > > Don't we all have spots when the creative juices > > either over flow or just > > > plain dry up? I do believe that's part of life; > > just little potholes to > > > span or drive around. > > > So, what's the agenda for the 4th? Anything > > exciting going on? I had > > > planned on just staying home, but (hang on!) I may > > have a date! He doesn't > > > appear to be gay or married, so it'll either be > > flatulence or a lawyer in > > > his family . . . something always happens. ;>) > > But if that doesn't pan out > > > I'll slip on the 180 and go people-hunting before > > the fireworks start. And > > > if he's ok, well, maybe the fireworks will last > > all night. Yeah, right. > > > Off to bed, > > > Eve > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 1 07:06:38 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:06:38 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Mad in the Heat! References: <20020630202146.13377.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> <3D1F907C.C53D47BF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <019701c220c5$771b01e0$7ce6b1d8@evegirard> Robert, mon cher, that ain't a gonna happen. I have always tried to avoid the herd mentality. I do something because it serves a purpose or is attractive to me - not just 'cause everyone is doing it. For me, in my style and vision of photography, I see no need to be a digiphile. I'm not a digiphobe - I just don't have a use for it. I think, too, that old "X" factor plays here. Peter Braczko's "The Complete Nikon System" pictures a Coolpix 950 (with aux fisheye) bracket-mounted with an SB-28 flash. This is something so ugly, you'd expect Jar Jar Binks to have carried one (and we all know how we felt about J.J.!) Nope, Not me. OK, time for all of us to follow Eric's wisdom and return to the purpose of this list! My little model shoot went well this afternoon. I took the model to the State Cap Building grounds and caught the light in a cooperative mood. The negatives look respectable. This is for a throw-away for a local fashion show. I'm doing the prelim advertising shots and theme shots. I used my faithful Rapid with only a 90 and a cold-foot 283 for fill. I like the look of Tri-X for this motif even though it's not my "usual." I just ran a couple of rolls as I've used the model many times and know her moves and sides. Eve and, yes, boys, I'll let you know how the "date" turns out . . . I know how you are! (;>) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Mad in the Heat! > You`re absolutely right!!!It IS one possible way of converting her to > "Digital"! > Robert > (all my entendres are double...) > > "Paul R." wrote: > > > Robert, > > > > In the spirit of tolerance and open-mindedness that > > we're trying to cultivate here on the list, shouldn't > > we consider the possibility that a date with 6 fingers > > might be a GOOD thing in some ways? > > > > I mean, maybe it makes him really fast with his cash > > ... or good at manipulating a K-O shutter release > > while maintaining a steady hand-hold ... or ... ?? > > > > Have fun, Eve! And if you end up strapping, er, > > slipping on the 180, that might be fun, too! :-) > > > > >From the fringes of bad taste (suburban L.A.), > > > > -Paul > > > > > > --- Nancy Brown > > wrote: > > > Eve, > > > Here`s wishing you a Grand Finale! > > > (assuming he`s not a six-fingered inbred, that is!) > > > Have Fun!!! > > > Robert > > > > > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > > > "It must be the heat! You've all gone a little > > > MAD!!!! - Bob ." > > > > > > > > Not to worry, Bob, I've always been a little mad! > > > > Besides, it never gets that hot in this part of > > > Washington! > > > > And then, there's poor Roger who is apologizing > > > very sweetly for something > > > > he did not do! Bless you, Roger! If I ever sound > > > depressed, well, I just > > > > get that way sometimes; I just write it off to > > > feminine perogative and I > > > > hope you all will do the same. > > > > The digital/film discussion is entertaining. > > > The fact that the KOML > > > > family is growing is wonderful. What's there to > > > gloom and doom over? > > > > Don't we all have spots when the creative juices > > > either over flow or just > > > > plain dry up? I do believe that's part of life; > > > just little potholes to > > > > span or drive around. > > > > So, what's the agenda for the 4th? Anything > > > exciting going on? I had > > > > planned on just staying home, but (hang on!) I may > > > have a date! He doesn't > > > > appear to be gay or married, so it'll either be > > > flatulence or a lawyer in > > > > his family . . . something always happens. ;>) > > > But if that doesn't pan out > > > > I'll slip on the 180 and go people-hunting before > > > the fireworks start. And > > > > if he's ok, well, maybe the fireworks will last > > > all night. Yeah, right. > > > > Off to bed, > > > > Eve > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > KOML mailing list > > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 1 07:16:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:16:14 -0700 Subject: [KOML] K-O Story References: Message-ID: <01c701c220c6$ce33a620$7ce6b1d8@evegirard> A perfectly illustrated example of why one never loans one's tooth-brush or Koni Omega! Well done! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beaver, John" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:56 AM Subject: [KOML] K-O Story > Thursday my boss (i.e., the Dean) breathlessly invaded my office -- "Do you > have a 2x2 camera? Eagon says you have a 2x2." > > "Do you mean a 2 1/4 x 2 1/4??" > > "Yeah, whatever. I'm looking for something that'll take a more detailed > picture than 35mm." > > Turns out he had made arrangements for an airplane to fly over the sprawling > UW-Fox campus, and he wanted some good pictures. So I told him, yes, I have > a couple of 6x6 cameras, but also a 6x9, and a fantastic 6x7 called a > Koni-Omega Rapid (whip out recently printed 8x10). > > Wow, I'm thinking. Cool. I get to go for an airplane ride. > > No such luck though. He just wanted my camera, not me -- even though he's > never used a KO, or anything medium format, or even a light meter other than > the one in the viewfinder of his Nikkormat. I suppose I could have insisted > it would be me and the KO or no KO. But I was afraid he'd finally remember > that I'd borrowed his ring flash a few months back. Until he remembers, > it's as if I have my own ring flash, for free (unless I break it), and I > kind of like that situation. > > So I gave him a quick lesson on the KO Rapid and my old Gossen meter. > > The rest of the day I kept having little daymares -- he'd forget to take the > lens cap off, point the camera out the window, and the precious metal K-O > lens cap would blow off and spiral 2000 feet to the ground. Or worse (I can > hardly type it, it's so horrifying), he'd be too dumb to use the wrist > strap, and then a bit of turbulence..... > > That night I dreamed he returned my KO. In a corrugated cardboard box. > Completely disassembled. For some Deanly reason he had taken it apart, and > then couldn't get it back together again. The tiny screws were all over the > bottom of the box, wedged into the spaces between the cardboard flaps. The > box had leaky corners. I was frantically counting the screws when I woke in > a cold sweat. > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 1 08:36:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <011f01c22095$86ea1960$7ce6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020701073643.62943.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: You may be > able to guess that I'm > not a native Washingtonian. > Well, since the weather is cool and we're > between showers (miss it, > Paul?) I'm outta here! I am, and I do. And I KNOW you're not so cruel as to gloat, Eve! We could use a few inches of Puget Sound sunshine in SoCal right now. Perhaps I will catch some when I visit in August (though the stats are against me). I will drive by that very Capitol Dome on my way out to Ocean Shores -- and from now on, in addition looking for earthquake damage, I will think of it as Eve's Backdrop. And sigh. -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 1 08:51:39 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:51:39 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: <20020701073643.62943.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c220d4$22c226a0$0ae6b1d8@evegirard> When in August if I may be so bold? There could be a glass of Mr. Adams' best waiting at the Oyster house . . . if the wife and kids don't mind. August is a travel month for me what with conventions et al to attend to say nothing of a cruise. So I'm going to be hard to get(ahold of), but, hell, I'll stand on the side of I-5 and wave, at least! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > You may be > > able to guess that I'm > > not a native Washingtonian. > > > > Well, since the weather is cool and we're > > between showers (miss it, > > Paul?) I'm outta here! > > > I am, and I do. And I KNOW you're not so cruel as to > gloat, Eve! We could use a few inches of Puget Sound > sunshine in SoCal right now. Perhaps I will catch > some when I visit in August (though the stats are > against me). I will drive by that very Capitol Dome > on my way out to Ocean Shores -- and from now on, in > addition looking for earthquake damage, I will think > of it as Eve's Backdrop. And sigh. > > -Paul > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 1 14:57:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:57:47 -0500 Subject: [KOML] K-O Story ending Message-ID: The Dean returned my camera this morning, safe and sound, lenscap included. He only took a few pictures though. It was so quiet and vibration-free, compared to his Nikkormat, that from within the noisy airplane he didn't think it was firing. From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 2 01:17:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:17:41 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Mad in the Heat! References: <20020630202146.13377.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> <3D1F907C.C53D47BF@earthlink.net> <019701c220c5$771b01e0$7ce6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D20F125.E7F3D775@earthlink.net> Hello Eve, Actually, it was`nt photography I was referring to (nudge nudge, wink wink), but we`ll leave that alone. As with you, the digital bug refuses to bite. I have nothing against advances in technology, hell, I even went so far as to buy a coolpix 900 when they first came out, figuring digital would just merge seamlessly into my existing repertoire.Never did warm up to that camera, it just lacks that indefineable "something" that keeps me interested.I think it may be that I`m attracted to the ritual of choosing the proper film for a particular shoot, then loading the camera, setting the controls, having a familiar sense of control over the situation...after 30+ years this has become quite ingrained.So, for me, an old mechanical camera like the Rapid will continue to be my first choice, and no Foveon chip or the latest "vaporware" will ever replace that. Robert Eve Girard wrote: > Robert, mon cher, that ain't a gonna happen. I have always tried to avoid > the herd mentality. I do something because it serves a purpose or is > attractive to me - not just 'cause everyone is doing it. For me, in my > style and vision of photography, I see no need to be a digiphile. I'm not a > digiphobe - I just don't have a use for it. I think, too, that old "X" > factor plays here. Peter Braczko's "The Complete Nikon System" pictures a > Coolpix 950 (with aux fisheye) bracket-mounted with an SB-28 flash. This is > something so ugly, you'd expect Jar Jar Binks to have carried one (and we > all know how we felt about J.J.!) Nope, Not me. > OK, time for all of us to follow Eric's wisdom and return to the purpose of > this list! > My little model shoot went well this afternoon. I took the model to the > State Cap Building grounds and caught the light in a cooperative mood. The > negatives look respectable. This is for a throw-away for a local fashion > show. I'm doing the prelim advertising shots and theme shots. I used my > faithful Rapid with only a 90 and a cold-foot 283 for fill. I like the look > of Tri-X for this motif even though it's not my "usual." I just ran a > couple of rolls as I've used the model many times and know her moves and > sides. > Eve > > and, yes, boys, I'll let you know how the "date" turns out . . . I know how > you are! (;>) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Brown" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Mad in the Heat! > > > You`re absolutely right!!!It IS one possible way of converting her to > > "Digital"! > > Robert > > (all my entendres are double...) > > > > "Paul R." wrote: > > > > > Robert, > > > > > > In the spirit of tolerance and open-mindedness that > > > we're trying to cultivate here on the list, shouldn't > > > we consider the possibility that a date with 6 fingers > > > might be a GOOD thing in some ways? > > > > > > I mean, maybe it makes him really fast with his cash > > > ... or good at manipulating a K-O shutter release > > > while maintaining a steady hand-hold ... or ... ?? > > > > > > Have fun, Eve! And if you end up strapping, er, > > > slipping on the 180, that might be fun, too! :-) > > > > > > >From the fringes of bad taste (suburban L.A.), > > > > > > -Paul > > > > > > > > > --- Nancy Brown > > > wrote: > > > > Eve, > > > > Here`s wishing you a Grand Finale! > > > > (assuming he`s not a six-fingered inbred, that is!) > > > > Have Fun!!! > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > > > > > "It must be the heat! You've all gone a little > > > > MAD!!!! - Bob ." > > > > > > > > > > Not to worry, Bob, I've always been a little mad! > > > > > Besides, it never gets that hot in this part of > > > > Washington! > > > > > And then, there's poor Roger who is apologizing > > > > very sweetly for something > > > > > he did not do! Bless you, Roger! If I ever sound > > > > depressed, well, I just > > > > > get that way sometimes; I just write it off to > > > > feminine perogative and I > > > > > hope you all will do the same. > > > > > The digital/film discussion is entertaining. > > > > The fact that the KOML > > > > > family is growing is wonderful. What's there to > > > > gloom and doom over? > > > > > Don't we all have spots when the creative juices > > > > either over flow or just > > > > > plain dry up? I do believe that's part of life; > > > > just little potholes to > > > > > span or drive around. > > > > > So, what's the agenda for the 4th? Anything > > > > exciting going on? I had > > > > > planned on just staying home, but (hang on!) I may > > > > have a date! He doesn't > > > > > appear to be gay or married, so it'll either be > > > > flatulence or a lawyer in > > > > > his family . . . something always happens. ;>) > > > > But if that doesn't pan out > > > > > I'll slip on the 180 and go people-hunting before > > > > the fireworks start. And > > > > > if he's ok, well, maybe the fireworks will last > > > > all night. Yeah, right. > > > > > Off to bed, > > > > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > KOML mailing list > > > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > KOML mailing list > > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 2 03:25:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:25:19 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <3D20F125.E7F3D775@earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Nancy Brown" wrote: > Hello Eve, > Actually, it was`nt photography I was referring to (nudge nudge, wink wink), > but > we`ll leave that alone. As with you, the digital bug refuses to bite. I have > nothing against advances in technology, hell, I even went so far as to buy a > coolpix 900 when they first came out, figuring digital would just merge > seamlessly into my existing repertoire.Never did warm up to that camera, it > just > lacks that indefineable "something" that keeps me interested.I think it may be > that I`m attracted to the ritual of choosing the proper film for a particular > shoot, then loading the camera, setting the controls, having a familiar sense > of > control over the situation...after 30+ years this has become quite > ingrained.So, > for me, an old mechanical camera like the Rapid will continue to be my first > choice, and no Foveon chip or the latest "vaporware" will ever replace that. > Robert Robert - Speaking of madness in the heat, and if I might be so bold, who is Nancy Brown and why are you using her email account? Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 2 04:26:49 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:26:49 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: Message-ID: <3D211D79.50EE836E@earthlink.net> My alter ego....are you the REAL Slim Shady??? Robert Eric Goldstein wrote: > "Nancy Brown" wrote: > > > Hello Eve, > > Actually, it was`nt photography I was referring to (nudge nudge, wink wink), > > but > > we`ll leave that alone. As with you, the digital bug refuses to bite. I have > > nothing against advances in technology, hell, I even went so far as to buy a > > coolpix 900 when they first came out, figuring digital would just merge > > seamlessly into my existing repertoire.Never did warm up to that camera, it > > just > > lacks that indefineable "something" that keeps me interested.I think it may be > > that I`m attracted to the ritual of choosing the proper film for a particular > > shoot, then loading the camera, setting the controls, having a familiar sense > > of > > control over the situation...after 30+ years this has become quite > > ingrained.So, > > for me, an old mechanical camera like the Rapid will continue to be my first > > choice, and no Foveon chip or the latest "vaporware" will ever replace that. > > Robert > > Robert - > > Speaking of madness in the heat, and if I might be so bold, who is Nancy > Brown and why are you using her email account? > > Eric Goldstein > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 2 04:32:17 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:32:17 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the heat Message-ID: <015c01c22179$11251ec0$e8e6b1d8@evegirard> "Robert - Speaking of madness in the heat, and if I might be so bold, who is Nancy Brown and why are you using her email account?" Yes, do say! Inquiring minds want to know!!!! Is this a double entendre to the extreme? Is there something you need to tell us? (she walks into the room. "Oh, Robert, take off my clothes! . . . and don't ever wear them again!!!) Alter ego needs more amplification! And, Eric, I'm quite sure there aren't two pleople on the planet who would want to know a thing about Eve! Although, I have always wanted to be a newspaper curmudgeonette. You're right, there is considerably more than what you see, but why give away any secrets? I proofed yesterday's shoot and did some prints this afternoon. I do believe that they will work. There is a WWII memorial on the State Cap Campus that is a patch of cast wheat stalks (about 8 x 20)(about 4' tall). They're well-done, with a burnished gold for the head of wheat. When they are moved, they make soft murmurs and are quite haunting. I did a study of them in the spring on 4x5 Velvia, tightly composed. I really find them spiritually moving as a representation of community and country. There are the usual 5 obelisks with names of the dead, but they never seem to fare well, covered in corrosion and pigeon-poop. I've used the Rapids for this, but the 4x5 seems more pleasing as the greater controls show in a subtle way. Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 2 05:26:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 00:26:42 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <3D211D79.50EE836E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Nancy Brown" wrote: > My alter ego....are you the REAL Slim Shady??? > Robert LOL... Ok Nancy/Robert (cross-dressing? trans-gendered? shemaled?)... You get your own mailing list too... Count me in I think the heat is getting to us all... God help us if we were ever face to face... No cameras please... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 2 07:24:53 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 02:24:53 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <3D211D79.50EE836E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D210EF5.25244.72B9E02@localhost> Dear Nancy Brown, Alter or Altar? Tom On Monday, July 01, 2002 at 23:26, Nancy Brown wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat!" saying: > My alter ego....are you the REAL Slim Shady??? > Robert > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > "Nancy Brown" wrote: > > > > > Hello Eve, ... > > Robert - > > > > Speaking of madness in the heat, and if I might be so bold, who is Nancy > > Brown and why are you using her email account? > > > > Eric Goldstein ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 2 19:32:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:32:13 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: Message-ID: <3D21F1AD.FBC0C47A@earthlink.net> Sorry, all you Ray Davies fans, no Lola syndrome here, just havin` a little fun!!! I must admit that KOML is the most fun, interesting, diverse/perverse discussion group that I`ve seen yet....I KNEW there was something I liked about you folks!!!! How about posting some of yout favorite films, techniques, etc. for fireworks? Old dogs occasionally learn new tricks!!(getting ready for the 4th) Robert/not Nancy Eric Goldstein wrote: > "Nancy Brown" wrote: > > > My alter ego....are you the REAL Slim Shady??? > > Robert > > LOL... Ok Nancy/Robert (cross-dressing? trans-gendered? shemaled?)... You > get your own mailing list too... Count me in > > I think the heat is getting to us all... God help us if we were ever face to > face... No cameras please... > > Eric Goldstein > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 2 19:38:02 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:38:02 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: <3D210EF5.25244.72B9E02@localhost> Message-ID: <3D21F309.6AFC8D3B@earthlink.net> I believe the latter reference was to Father Nelson and his Altar Boys, Neil and Bob. Robert Tom Trottier wrote: > Dear Nancy Brown, > > Alter or Altar? > > Tom > > On Monday, July 01, 2002 at 23:26, Nancy Brown > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat!" saying: > > > My alter ego....are you the REAL Slim Shady??? > > Robert > > > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > > > "Nancy Brown" wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Eve, > ... > > > Robert - > > > > > > Speaking of madness in the heat, and if I might be so bold, who is Nancy > > > Brown and why are you using her email account? > > > > > > Eric Goldstein > > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 2 21:52:26 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:52:26 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: <3D21F1AD.FBC0C47A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000f01c2220a$5fe5aca0$d9e6b1d8@evegirard> I think it's time to pledge eternal loyalty to each other (sniff), Maybe an annointing cross of (sob)fixer on the forehead followed by a dusting of light seal crumbs. I'm really touched (sob, sob) by the bonds here and must stop before my keyboard wets out. OK, I have a grip again (me, a grip?)(hah!). Honestly, this is a lovely group and I do hope it expands beyond we few, we happy few, we band of brothers (and sisters)(sorry, King Henry). I know there have to be people out there who are either reading or dumping these postings. We'd love to hear from you! Where else can you get arcane trivia, Shakespeare, cross-dressing and a smattering of Koni speak? Of course some of the "other" lists gab extensively, but "their" cameras are either still in production in some form or are wide-spread in quantity and popularity. We have the luxury of a limited production, few models and fewer gadgets about which to wax poetic. (leica "Hoooey, Duuey and Leeewie" are not comparable here) We are but a few in a madding crowd (Sorry, bro Hardy) so why shouldn't we have our own special ways of seeing or being!!! So, Please, if you're a list lurker, PLEASE join in! This isn't the exclusive realm of humor (?) and bad taste, just the home of comfortable people who love what they do! Join us!!!????!!!! Eve >I must admit that KOML is the most fun, >interesting, diverse/perverse > discussion group that I`ve seen yet....I KNEW >there was something I liked about > you folks!!!! sez Robert/Nancy > > I think the heat is getting to us all... God help us if we were ever face to > > face... No cameras please... sez Eric From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 00:05:39 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tim Edwards) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <000f01c2220a$5fe5aca0$d9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020702230539.49073.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Welp here goes ... My name is Tom and I now own a KO 100 (sounds like an opening line at a AA meeting) ... just purchased this prized possession from the classifieds in the local paper. Was unaware of the model before I went to look at it (was some intuitive feeling that lead me to the sale). Came home that evening and read for hours about the model and found it to be just what I was looking for. Went back the following day and purchased the KO 100 with two 90 mm lenses (he never said why he had two lenses) and two backs one is a 120 and the other a 220 but the center screw and some springs are missing on the back of the 220. Hope this listserv can help those of us just beginning their relationship with the Rapid Loader. ps. have been down the digital path and am back to stay with my Omega D2, FE2 and KO 100. --- Eve Girard wrote: > > I think it's time to pledge eternal loyalty to each > other (sniff), Maybe an > annointing cross of (sob)fixer on the forehead > followed by a dusting of > light seal crumbs. I'm really touched (sob, sob) by > the bonds here and must > stop before my keyboard wets out. > > OK, I have a grip again (me, a grip?)(hah!). > Honestly, this is a lovely > group and I do hope it expands beyond we few, we > happy few, we band of > brothers (and sisters)(sorry, King Henry). I know > there have to be people > out there who are either reading or dumping these > postings. We'd love to > hear from you! Where else can you get arcane > trivia, Shakespeare, > cross-dressing and a smattering of Koni speak? Of > course some of the > "other" lists gab extensively, but "their" cameras > are either still in > production in some form or are wide-spread in > quantity and popularity. We > have the luxury of a limited production, few models > and fewer gadgets about > which to wax poetic. (leica "Hoooey, Duuey and > Leeewie" are not comparable > here) We are but a few in a madding crowd (Sorry, > bro Hardy) so why > shouldn't we have our own special ways of seeing or > being!!! > So, Please, if you're a list lurker, PLEASE join in! > This isn't the exclusive realm of humor (?) and bad > taste, just the home of > comfortable people who love what they do! Join > us!!!????!!!! > Eve > > > >I must admit that KOML is the most fun, > >interesting, diverse/perverse > > discussion group that I`ve seen yet....I KNEW > >there was something I liked > about > > you folks!!!! > sez Robert/Nancy > > > > I think the heat is getting to us all... God > help us if we were ever > face to > > > face... No cameras please... > sez Eric > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 00:31:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <20020702230539.49073.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020702233143.11357.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Great, first it's Robert/Nancy, now Tim/Tom! This list is becoming seriously schizophrenic. Come clean Sparky, what's your REAL name? :-) Well, regardless of what you choose to call yourself, congratulations on your purchase, and welcome! We'll all be happy to help with any questions as we can. I'd be interested to hear whether you can discern any differences in performance between your 2 90s. It's nice to have the opportunity to 'cherry-pick'! Looking forward to hearing more from you, -Paul Reese --- Tim Edwards wrote: > Welp here goes ... My name is Tom and I now own a KO > 100 (sounds like an opening line at a AA meeting) > ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 02:09:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:09:42 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: <20020702230539.49073.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D224ED6.2107E565@earthlink.net> Hi Tim Tom, Pull up a chair and set a spell....if you`re seeking asylum from Digital, this is a good place to land(heavy emphasis on "asylum").Kindly disregard our constant and feeble attempts at humor, we bore easily and must sustain via silly scenarios re: the past week or so.On a more serious note, this group is an absolute fountain of knowledge on all things photographic and well beyond....we share literally thousands of years of experience.The purchase of your Rapid was a good thing....you`re now part of the family.Welcome! Robert P.S. Better settle on ONE name before you get your chops busted indefinitely Tim Edwards wrote: > Welp here goes ... My name is Tom and I now own a KO > 100 (sounds like an opening line at a AA meeting) ... > just purchased this prized possession from the > classifieds in the local paper. Was unaware of the > model before I went to look at it (was some intuitive > feeling that lead me to the sale). Came home that > evening and read for hours about the model and found > it to be just what I was looking for. Went back the > following day and purchased the KO 100 with two 90 mm > lenses (he never said why he had two lenses) and two > backs one is a 120 and the other a 220 but the center > screw and some springs are missing on the back of the > 220. Hope this listserv can help those of us just > beginning their relationship with the Rapid Loader. > ps. have been down the digital path and am back to > stay with my Omega D2, FE2 and KO 100. > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > I think it's time to pledge eternal loyalty to each > > other (sniff), Maybe an > > annointing cross of (sob)fixer on the forehead > > followed by a dusting of > > light seal crumbs. I'm really touched (sob, sob) by > > the bonds here and must > > stop before my keyboard wets out. > > > > OK, I have a grip again (me, a grip?)(hah!). > > Honestly, this is a lovely > > group and I do hope it expands beyond we few, we > > happy few, we band of > > brothers (and sisters)(sorry, King Henry). I know > > there have to be people > > out there who are either reading or dumping these > > postings. We'd love to > > hear from you! Where else can you get arcane > > trivia, Shakespeare, > > cross-dressing and a smattering of Koni speak? Of > > course some of the > > "other" lists gab extensively, but "their" cameras > > are either still in > > production in some form or are wide-spread in > > quantity and popularity. We > > have the luxury of a limited production, few models > > and fewer gadgets about > > which to wax poetic. (leica "Hoooey, Duuey and > > Leeewie" are not comparable > > here) We are but a few in a madding crowd (Sorry, > > bro Hardy) so why > > shouldn't we have our own special ways of seeing or > > being!!! > > So, Please, if you're a list lurker, PLEASE join in! > > This isn't the exclusive realm of humor (?) and bad > > taste, just the home of > > comfortable people who love what they do! Join > > us!!!????!!!! > > Eve > > > > > > >I must admit that KOML is the most fun, > > >interesting, diverse/perverse > > > discussion group that I`ve seen yet....I KNEW > > >there was something I liked > > about > > > you folks!!!! > > sez Robert/Nancy > > > > > > I think the heat is getting to us all... God > > help us if we were ever > > face to > > > > face... No cameras please... > > sez Eric > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 05:33:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 00:33:33 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <3D224ED6.2107E565@earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Nancy Brown" wrote: > P.S. Better settle on ONE name before you get your chops busted > indefinitely Yup... Too late for you Nancy... Erica Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 06:00:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:00:01 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: <20020702230539.49073.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018101c2224e$7d9363c0$d9e6b1d8@evegirard> Sparky (following Eric's lead)(which can sometimes lead to trouble. . . .) Welcome to the list (or meeting . . ."My name is Eve and I have this camera problem")! We may seem like the red-headed step-children of the photographic world, but we do have fun whilst sporting our florid curls about! Please join us in gently failing to take too much too seriously! We have many years of experience here; many ideas, formats and techniques pop up. The only dumb question is the one not asked (besides, I've already asked all the dumb questions - I'm blonde). Good score on your 100 purchase! K O seems to get harder to find locally. How have you liked your efforts with it so far? (Nice to see another D2 owner as well) It's nice that the K O line is so simple as it gives us waaay too much time to BS and play around here. (Eve's other list report: one is yakking about Porsches and another is going on anout how to shoot a ballgame from on the field. KOML folk already know how to drive and shooting sports is second nature to us) Again, welcome! . . . and please tell us what the heck to call you!!!!!! ('cause we seldom stand on ceremony, huh, Erica? Nancy?) Best wishes, Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Edwards" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! > Welp here goes ... My name is Tom and I now own a KO > 100 (sounds like an opening line at a AA meeting) ... > just purchased this prized possession from the > classifieds in the local paper. Was unaware of the > model before I went to look at it (was some intuitive > feeling that lead me to the sale). Came home that > evening and read for hours about the model and found > it to be just what I was looking for. Went back the > following day and purchased the KO 100 with two 90 mm > lenses (he never said why he had two lenses) and two > backs one is a 120 and the other a 220 but the center > screw and some springs are missing on the back of the > 220. Hope this listserv can help those of us just > beginning their relationship with the Rapid Loader. > ps. have been down the digital path and am back to > stay with my Omega D2, FE2 and KO 100. > > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 06:01:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:01:43 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: Message-ID: <018901c2224e$b9f17dc0$d9e6b1d8@evegirard> and, by the way, we need another thread title; this one is getting old! Have at it! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Goldstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! > "Nancy Brown" wrote: > > > P.S. Better settle on ONE name before you get your chops busted > > indefinitely > > Yup... Too late for you Nancy... > > > Erica Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 08:55:09 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Photographing fireworks Message-ID: <20020703075509.11289.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Hi folks, I don't remember who mentioned techniques for shooting fireworks, but I've had some success applying the basic tips found here: http://calphoto.com/firework.htm Hope this helps! -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 10:58:09 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] RF & focusing puzzle Message-ID: <20020703095809.98789.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> O.K. everybody, I actually have an honest-to-goodness KO puzzle to throw out. Much too late this Tu. eve. (now Wed. AM), I set out to dust off my RO200, with the intent of taking it on its first-ever 'real' shoot (with me, anyway) this weekend in Sequoia Nat'l Forest (California). I reviewed my notes from the 'test shoot' I did shortly after acquiring this camera last summer, which indicated that I had gotten decent results with either of two 90mm lenses, and LOUSY results with both my 60mm and my 180mm (very out-of-focus images). I figured step 1 was to check the rangefinder adjustment, which I did following the clear instructions posted to KOML some time ago by Al Thompson. I used one of the 90s, a genuine Koni ground glass, and an 8x loupe. The rangefinder is spot-on, at least horizontally. Vertically it may be a bit off (or maybe I'm just not accustomed to it), but somebody has glued the vertical-adjustment screw in place -- so I guess I'll have to live with that for now. It seems to work o.k. if I just get things lined up horizontally. Here's the mystery: With either the 60 or the 180, there is WILD disagreement between the rangefinder focus and the ground glass. (FWIW, the distance scale agrees with the ground glass -- not the rangefinder -- indicating that the focus knob is properly attached/calibrated.) I don't understand why the rangefinder would work well with the 90, but not with either the 60 or 180. Does this make sense to anyone? I'm just about resigned to sending both the wide and tele to Greg Weber for a checkout, but if anybody can shed any light, I'd be grateful. As for this weekend, I plan to bring all 3 lenses, and if I use the 60 or the 180, I'll focus with the ground glass and focusing hood. That should draw some (not terribly welcome) attention. Wish me luck! -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 11:22:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] RF & focusing: A clue? Message-ID: <20020703102247.23007.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Hello again, I may have a relevant clue to my RF/focusing problems. I just compared the RO200 body to an M body I haven't yet used. The 'actuator pins' (where the rods on the 90 and 180 connect) look different on the 2 bodies. On the RO200, the pin on the right (looking at the front of the camera & upright, naturally) is close to the 'surface' and immobile, and the left pin is deeply recessed into the body and immobile. On the M, the right pin rests in the same, close-to-the surface position, but when the body is tilted forward/down, it falls forward and extends out of the body. The left pin rests much closer to the surface (almost even with the right pin). This suggests to me that I may have a problem with the lens-to-rangefinder linkage on the RO200. This makes some sense to me looking at the 180, which has two rods intended to interface with the actuator pins. The 90 has 1 rod (aligned with the Right body pin); why this lens seems to couple & function o.k., I don't immediately understand. The 60 has NO rods, which suggests to me that any defects in the RO200's coupling mechanism shouldn't matter? Obviously the next step is to check the RF/focus on the M body using the ground glass and all 3 lenses. But I won't get to that until tomorrow night. (I'll report if I can.) I hope the foregoing info. rings bells for someone! Thanks in advance for your thoughts. -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 14:48:24 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 9:48:24 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re:Just join us Message-ID: <20020703134824.WDOO8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> >>This isn't the exclusive realm of humor (?) and bad >>taste, just the home of >>comfortable people who love what they do! Join >>us!!!????!!!! >>Eve Hi, all, Well, I've posted a couple of times, but mostly lurking, since I only have one name, only have one wardrobe, and normally suffer from a severe case of dull. However, I do have a couple of "RO idiot" questions from a 35-year 35mm shooter, if you would be so kind as to respond. 1. Do you actually use the camera grip when using the camera, or do you simply hand-hold the square camera so it's quicker to mount it on a tripod for vertical shots? 2. Do you recommend a cable release when hand-holding the camera, or is your index finger actually ten inches long? Which way keeps the camera steadier? I'm sure Eve will have some insights into this issue. Or do you just avoid taking any shots unless you use a tripod? 3. What kind of flash/camera bracket works the best for you? I presume most of you use brackets, since it's difficult to position the flash otherwise. Unless, of course, you use studio lighting, or have four assistants with flashlights (in which case, you'd probably be using a Leica instead of a Koni, just for ego) 4. Someone mentioned shooting fireworks. I only have the 90mm and 58mm lenses so far, so probably wouldn't have enough power to shoot fireworks. Do you need the 180 to shoot fireworks? (Although I did consider a career in the circus, I'd rather not stand right on top of the launch tube) And what do you consider the best settings? I'm sure Nancy/Robert remembers the recent fireworks conversation on the Konicaslr group, but "fireworks" probably means a whole different thing to this group. This issue could take on a whole new "light," when incorporated with the present voyeuristic infatuation with Eve's "date report." (Haven't seen that yet, either. Must be on the calendar soon) 5. And, by the way, what is your favorite B&W film for the Koni? (I know, I'll get a lot of "it depends.") I need to stock up for the fireworks. You can include these answers in any conversation that is suitable for reading by a dull person whose definition of "cross dressing" is getting both legs stuck in the same pant leg. Best, Barry From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 15:37:34 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 15:37:34 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Hand Grips and Releases Message-ID: > >>This isn't the exclusive realm of humor (?) and bad >>taste, just >the home of > >>comfortable people who love what they do! Join >>us!!!????!!!! > >>Eve > >Hi, all, >Well, I've posted a couple of times, but mostly lurking, since I >only have one name, only have one wardrobe, and normally suffer from >a severe case of dull. However, I do have a couple of "RO idiot" >questions from a 35-year 35mm shooter, if you would be so kind as to >respond. > >1. Do you actually use the camera grip when using the camera, or do >you simply hand-hold the square camera so it's quicker to mount it >on a tripod for vertical shots? >2. Do you recommend a cable release when hand-holding the camera, >or is your index finger actually ten inches long? Which way keeps >the camera steadier? I'm sure Eve will have some insights into this >issue. Or do you just avoid taking any shots unless you use a >tripod? Snippety snip The list has become wonderfully lively - great! Am considering all double entendres, which makes writing this a little more thought provoking. Anyway, thought I would add my thruppence worth here. The grip is a toe protector - with your hand around the grip with the strap suitably adjusted it ain't ever going to fall on your feet. Also when you do use a tripod, using the grip will mean that the KO will end up on the tripod rather than on the ground. How would you wind-on without one hand firmly in the grip? My index finger is long enough, but there is a KO short cable release that fits perfectly for thumb shutter release. If I was to guess, then the index finger would probably be steadier than the thumb if you were holding the weight of the camera using the grip. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 17:35:04 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:35:04 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Hand Grips and Releases Message-ID: Y'all know something? The Koni can be used off tripod! Jus' like them there regular 'itty bitty cameras. And you've got a bigger negative so if you just happened to only have 400 speed film....it won't matter nearly as much compared with a 35mm... I know...I know...y'all already know this! And I'm willing to place a bet that I've got the smallest fingers than anybody in this group...well, except maybe Eve....but I've got it in my head that she's got those pretty long slender digits. BTW, I've got a little proof that the airport x-ray does NOT screw up digital camera film! On page 74 of the PC Photo magazine in Edward Harris's article "have digital will travel" about George Lepp's trip to Keukenhof Gardens,(there's some really pretty pictures there too!) he writes: "That was one of the reasons for going to Europe just with digital. I had no hassles whatsoever worrying about film because I had no film. Cards and hard drives aren't damaged by x-rays, as far as anybody knows." So there! Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Clive Warren [mailto:Clive.Warren@baesystems.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:38 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Hand Grips and Releases > >>This isn't the exclusive realm of humor (?) and bad >>taste, just >the home of > >>comfortable people who love what they do! Join >>us!!!????!!!! > >>Eve > >Hi, all, >Well, I've posted a couple of times, but mostly lurking, since I >only have one name, only have one wardrobe, and normally suffer from >a severe case of dull. However, I do have a couple of "RO idiot" >questions from a 35-year 35mm shooter, if you would be so kind as to >respond. > >1. Do you actually use the camera grip when using the camera, or do >you simply hand-hold the square camera so it's quicker to mount it >on a tripod for vertical shots? >2. Do you recommend a cable release when hand-holding the camera, >or is your index finger actually ten inches long? Which way keeps >the camera steadier? I'm sure Eve will have some insights into this >issue. Or do you just avoid taking any shots unless you use a >tripod? Snippety snip The list has become wonderfully lively - great! Am considering all double entendres, which makes writing this a little more thought provoking. Anyway, thought I would add my thruppence worth here. The grip is a toe protector - with your hand around the grip with the strap suitably adjusted it ain't ever going to fall on your feet. Also when you do use a tripod, using the grip will mean that the KO will end up on the tripod rather than on the ground. How would you wind-on without one hand firmly in the grip? My index finger is long enough, but there is a KO short cable release that fits perfectly for thumb shutter release. If I was to guess, then the index finger would probably be steadier than the thumb if you were holding the weight of the camera using the grip. Cheers, Clive _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 20:55:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 15:55:36 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: <000f01c2220a$5fe5aca0$d9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: I post the following not to be argumentative or difficult but out of consideration for those on the list... Do not allow any magnetic media to be x-rayed. It will damage the media. I do not care who tells you otherwise, they are wrong. Do not x-ray computers. Do not x-ray digital cameras. Do not x-ray the media on which the images are stored if it is magnetic... This is not new information. When I started working in the mail room as a teenager in communications and advertising, I so vividly remember seeing red stickers on certain packages declaring "Recording Tape - DO NOT X-RAY" or "Magnetic Media - DO NOT X-RAY." When I was a high school student and learned about the properties of x-rays, it became clear why... Simply put, ionizing atoms produce their own magnetic fields, and this energy will alter the fields impressed or recorded on the magnetic media. There are also those who will tell you that airport xray equipment will not effect normal speed photographic films. Kodak feels other wise, and updated information can be found on the Kodak website... FWIW... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 21:56:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:56:08 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c2220a$5fe5aca0$d9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D232CA8.32520.44E582@localhost> I think magnetic media is pretty safe from check-in airport scanners, which are fairly weak. In the US, you can request hand inspection of anything. But anthrax-killing xrays will also kill circuit boards, devices, film, .... Tom ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 22:04:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:04:33 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Hand Grips and Releases References: Message-ID: <003f01c222d5$3c1ff160$79e6b1d8@evegirard> Barry and Everyone, I am a grip addict, always using it when shooting. Must stem from Graflex XLRF and Linhof days. I use my middle digit to release the shutter (Ohmygawd, I've gone digital!?!) and advance, etc without taking the camera down. Verticals as well. I like a cold-foot 283 for fill flash, but do drag out my old Sunpak 522 when there's a need to let in some daylight. The 522 brackets to the left giving me a grip in the middle of the conglomeration. I seldom use a tripod when out doing grab shots, but do prefer one when in "slow mode." Having the correct cable release with the stout long throw on it make life bearable on a 'pod but I don't use a cable when hand-holding (the camera, that is). I do use a monopod a lot, 'cause it's a helluva defensive weapon! And, yes, the date is ON for tomorrow! Dinner and fireworks show - whoopee! I've never done THAT before . . .! (no, I'm not an ungrateful bitch, but, cheez, show some originality!) Inquiring minds need to know - Paul, why did I get all of your postings re focus adj twice? I feel like the guy in "Catch 22" who "saw everything twice." Barbara, you are now annointed the hands down winner (pun intended) of the itty-bitty patticake award (to be presented at the next annual KOML reunion)(yeah, right). I'm around 6' and have the fingers to match, unfortunately. That's why I'm usually the one without the formal gloves . . . Again, welcome back all you quiet people! We missed you! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: RE: [KOML] Hand Grips and Releases > Y'all know something? The Koni can be used off tripod! Jus' like them there > regular 'itty bitty cameras. And you've got a bigger negative so if you just > happened to only have 400 speed film....it won't matter nearly as much > compared with a 35mm... > > I know...I know...y'all already know this! > > And I'm willing to place a bet that I've got the smallest fingers than > anybody in this group...well, except maybe Eve....but I've got it in my head > that she's got those pretty long slender digits. > > BTW, I've got a little proof that the airport x-ray does NOT screw up > digital camera film! On page 74 of the PC Photo magazine in Edward Harris's > article "have digital will travel" about George Lepp's trip to Keukenhof > Gardens,(there's some really pretty pictures there too!) he writes: > "That was one of the reasons for going to Europe just with digital. I had no > hassles whatsoever worrying about film because I had no film. Cards and hard > drives aren't damaged by x-rays, as far as anybody knows." > > So there! > > Barbara > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 22:25:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Hand Grips and Releases In-Reply-To: <003f01c222d5$3c1ff160$79e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020703212518.81482.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: Inquiring minds need to know - Paul, why did I > get all of your postings > re focus adj twice? I feel like the guy in "Catch > 22" who "saw everything > twice." I sent my posting to both the 'new' and 'old' KOMLs. Good thing I did, since the only two responses (so far) came from the old list. Apparently some people still haven't subscribed to the newer -- and much more active and entertaining -- KOML. It's too bad, the 'old-timers' are an experienced, knowledgeable bunch. I'll see if I can talk them into coming over. -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 23:15:16 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Stan McQueen) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:15:16 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c2220a$5fe5aca0$d9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703155055.00a89fb8@127.0.0.1> At 01:55 PM 7/3/2002, you wrote: >I post the following not to be argumentative or difficult but out of >consideration for those on the list... > >Do not allow any magnetic media to be x-rayed. It will damage the media. I >do not care who tells you otherwise, they are wrong. Do not x-ray computers. >Do not x-ray digital cameras. Do not x-ray the media on which the images are >stored if it is magnetic... > >This is not new information. When I started working in the mail room as a >teenager in communications and advertising, I so vividly remember seeing red >stickers on certain packages declaring "Recording Tape - DO NOT X-RAY" or >"Magnetic Media - DO NOT X-RAY." When I was a high school student and >learned about the properties of x-rays, it became clear why... Simply put, >ionizing atoms produce their own magnetic fields, and this energy will alter >the fields impressed or recorded on the magnetic media. > >There are also those who will tell you that airport xray equipment will not >effect normal speed photographic films. Kodak feels other wise, and updated >information can be found on the Kodak website... > >FWIW... > >Eric Goldstein You may have learned this when you were a high school student, but when I was a physics grad student, I learned that ... 1. Magnetic media is not sensitive to electromagnetic radiation. If the intensity is high enough to induce magnetic fields in the constituent atoms of the media, there are lots of more serious problems--such as the operators and everyone standing nearby are now sterile. 2. It is possible that the media might be affected by the magnetic fields from the electric motors that power the conveyor belt, but I doubt it. My experience has been that one or two passes through carry-on baggage x-rays does not harm slow film. High speed films may receive visible fogging with one pass. X-ray exposure is cumulative. More passes through the machine equals more fog. It will eventually become visible. Unprocessed film should never be left in checked baggage as the x-rays used for inspecting checked baggage are more intense. Stan ================================ Photography by Stan McQueen http://www.smcqueen.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 23:34:29 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tim Edwards) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <3D224ED6.2107E565@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020703223429.86724.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> A short note about the name - Tim is my first name am a Junior ... my middle name is Tom usually go by that but prefer to be called Sparky (a nick I got from the way I play basketball) Thanx for the welcomes - you all are indeed a friendly group. Is there a place to get parts for my 220 back ... am missing springs and a screw .... also was curious what size filter the 90mm lense takes ... thanx again for you help.... I am still learning how little I know ... --- Nancy Brown wrote: > Hi Tim Tom, > Pull up a chair and set a spell....if you`re seeking > asylum from > Digital, this is a good place to land(heavy emphasis > on "asylum").Kindly > disregard our constant and feeble attempts at humor, > we bore easily and > must sustain via silly scenarios re: the past week > or so.On a more > serious note, this group is an absolute fountain of > knowledge on all > things photographic and well beyond....we share > literally thousands of > years of experience.The purchase of your Rapid was a > good > thing....you`re now part of the family.Welcome! > Robert > > P.S. Better settle on ONE name before you get your > chops busted > indefinitely > > > Tim Edwards wrote: > > > Welp here goes ... My name is Tom and I now own a > KO > > 100 (sounds like an opening line at a AA meeting) > ... > > just purchased this prized possession from the > > classifieds in the local paper. Was unaware of the > > model before I went to look at it (was some > intuitive > > feeling that lead me to the sale). Came home that > > evening and read for hours about the model and > found > > it to be just what I was looking for. Went back > the > > following day and purchased the KO 100 with two 90 > mm > > lenses (he never said why he had two lenses) and > two > > backs one is a 120 and the other a 220 but the > center > > screw and some springs are missing on the back of > the > > 220. Hope this listserv can help those of us just > > beginning their relationship with the Rapid > Loader. > > ps. have been down the digital path and am back to > > stay with my Omega D2, FE2 and KO 100. > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > > I think it's time to pledge eternal loyalty to > each > > > other (sniff), Maybe an > > > annointing cross of (sob)fixer on the forehead > > > followed by a dusting of > > > light seal crumbs. I'm really touched (sob, > sob) by > > > the bonds here and must > > > stop before my keyboard wets out. > > > > > > OK, I have a grip again (me, a grip?)(hah!). > > > Honestly, this is a lovely > > > group and I do hope it expands beyond we few, we > > > happy few, we band of > > > brothers (and sisters)(sorry, King Henry). I > know > > > there have to be people > > > out there who are either reading or dumping > these > > > postings. We'd love to > > > hear from you! Where else can you get arcane > > > trivia, Shakespeare, > > > cross-dressing and a smattering of Koni speak? > Of > > > course some of the > > > "other" lists gab extensively, but "their" > cameras > > > are either still in > > > production in some form or are wide-spread in > > > quantity and popularity. We > > > have the luxury of a limited production, few > models > > > and fewer gadgets about > > > which to wax poetic. (leica "Hoooey, Duuey and > > > Leeewie" are not comparable > > > here) We are but a few in a madding crowd > (Sorry, > > > bro Hardy) so why > > > shouldn't we have our own special ways of seeing > or > > > being!!! > > > So, Please, if you're a list lurker, PLEASE join > in! > > > This isn't the exclusive realm of humor (?) and > bad > > > taste, just the home of > > > comfortable people who love what they do! Join > > > us!!!????!!!! > > > Eve > > > > > > > > > >I must admit that KOML is the most fun, > > > >interesting, diverse/perverse > > > > discussion group that I`ve seen yet....I KNEW > > > >there was something I liked > > > about > > > > you folks!!!! > > > sez Robert/Nancy > > > > > > > > I think the heat is getting to us all... God > > > help us if we were ever > > > face to > > > > > face... No cameras please... > > > sez Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 3 23:55:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:55:21 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Hand Grips and Releases In-Reply-To: <003f01c222d5$3c1ff160$79e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D234899.4505.B20BD6@localhost> On Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 14:04, Eve Girard wrote re "Re: [KOML] Hand Grips and Releases" saying: > Barry and Everyone, > I am a grip addict, always using it when shooting. Must stem from > Graflex XLRF and Linhof days. I use my middle digit to release the shutter > (Ohmygawd, I've gone digital!?!) and advance, etc without taking the camera > down. Verticals as well. I like a cold-foot 283 for fill flash, but do > drag out my old Sunpak 522 when there's a need to let in some daylight. The > 522 brackets to the left giving me a grip in the middle of the > conglomeration. I seldom use a tripod when out doing grab shots, but do > prefer one when in "slow mode." Having the correct cable release with the > stout long throw on it make life bearable on a 'pod but I don't use a cable > when hand-holding (the camera, that is). I do use a monopod a lot, 'cause > it's a helluva defensive weapon! > And, yes, the date is ON for tomorrow! Dinner and fireworks show - > whoopee! I've never done THAT before . . .! (no, I'm not an ungrateful > bitch, but, cheez, show some originality!) I hope the fireworks are "satisfactory." Get a good grip, and get into slow mode.... > Inquiring minds need to know - Paul, why did I get all of your postings > re focus adj twice? I feel like the guy in "Catch 22" who "saw everything > twice." > Barbara, you are now annointed the hands down winner (pun intended) of > the itty-bitty patticake award (to be presented at the next annual KOML > reunion)(yeah, right). I'm around 6' and have the fingers to match, > unfortunately. That's why I'm usually the one without the formal gloves . . Big girl. Good pianist? tOM ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 00:04:38 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! In-Reply-To: <20020703223429.86724.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020703230438.36972.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> --- Tim Edwards wrote: > Is there a place to get parts for my 220 back ... am > missing springs and a screw .... also was curious > what > size filter the 90mm lense takes ... > See Eve, he LIKES "Sparky"! I was right! Sparky, the 90mm shipped from the factory with a Series 6 filter ring. However, it's really a built-in step-down ring, which when removed leaves a standard 49mm filter flange. The removal is usually done easily and safely with a rubber drain stopper, the exact size of which escapes me at the moment (I'll tell you when I get home). Everyone always advises that you hold onto the original step-down ring, both for resale and in case you ever get your hands on an "auto-up" (close-up attachment) -- apparently it mounts to the Series 6 ring. I've heard tales of some of these step-down rings being "frozen" in place, and some partial disassembly of the lens being required to remove them. So if you try the drain-plug trick and gentle pressure/turning doesn't do it, you might consider (a) professional help (many of us here could use some!), (b) living with Series 6 filters, or (c) finding a Series 6-to-something a little larger step-up ring. More later, -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 00:18:48 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:18:48 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703155055.00a89fb8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: "Stan McQueen" wrote: > You may have learned this when you were a high school student, but when I > was a physics grad student, I learned that ... Stan - suggest you take it up with Kodak, Compaq, IBM, 3M, Ampex, and other major manufacturers who disagree with your grad student physics; have a feeling they may have a few physics grad students of their own ;-). To answer your other point regarding safety, x-rays are highly directional and so can be aimed and machines shielded so that those in proximity will not be dosed... And magnetic media can be effected by motors in machinery btw given either a large motor or close proximity or some combination of each... I know someone who clocked their pda by standing not all that close to an unshielded loudspeaker... Sorry to put the rest of the list to sleep... moving on now... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 01:22:26 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:22:26 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Mad in the Heat! References: Message-ID: <3D239542.32498182@earthlink.net> I`m getting faklempt....discuss among yourselves.... Have a happy 4th!!!!(BTW, the beverage du` jour will be Newcastle Brown Ale) Robert Eric Goldstein wrote: > "Nancy Brown" wrote: > > > P.S. Better settle on ONE name before you get your chops busted > > indefinitely > > Yup... Too late for you Nancy... > > Erica Goldstein > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 01:22:24 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:22:24 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703155055.00a89fb8@127.0.0.1> References: <000f01c2220a$5fe5aca0$d9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020703202030.02540ec0@pop.mindspring.com> At 06:15 PM 7/3/2002, you wrote: >1. Magnetic media is not sensitive to electromagnetic radiation. If the >intensity is high enough to induce magnetic fields in the constituent >atoms of the media, there are lots of more serious problems--such as the >operators and everyone standing nearby are now sterile. Yow. Anyway, my laptop has been thru dozens of airport Xray scans and is none the worse for the wear. >2. It is possible that the media might be affected by the magnetic fields >from the electric motors that power the conveyor belt, but I doubt it. See above. >My experience has been that one or two passes through carry-on baggage >x-rays does not harm slow film. High speed films may receive visible >fogging with one pass. X-ray exposure is cumulative. More passes through >the machine equals more fog. It will eventually become visible. >Unprocessed film should never be left in checked baggage as the x-rays >used for inspecting checked baggage are more intense. I took some Fuji 800 Press to the UK on vacation last year. It got at least five runs thru various carry-on machines and showed no evidence of fogging or other unpleasantness. Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 02:07:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:07:21 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: 220 back inquiry References: <20020703223429.86724.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D239FC9.9B46594E@earthlink.net> Hi Sparky, I guess we`ve settled on that name? The healthy respect that I have for the designers of the Rapid increased about tenfold after I dismantled a 120 back....if you have a desire to do this I would reccomend starting with a worn-out junker that you really don`t care about.If the aforementioned springs and screws are for the pressure plate, be aware that one or more of the springs may need to be shimmed to obtain correct alignment of the plate.If you don`t feel comfortable with this, you may want to contact Greg Weber (1-877-721-3873).He is the man to see for expert Konica repairs.Good luck! Robert Tim Edwards wrote: > A short note about the name - Tim is my first name am > a Junior ... my middle name is Tom usually go by that > but prefer to be called Sparky (a nick I got from the > way I play basketball) > > Thanx for the welcomes - you all are indeed a friendly > group. > > Is there a place to get parts for my 220 back ... am > missing springs and a screw .... also was curious what > size filter the 90mm lense takes ... > > thanx again for you help.... I am still learning how > little I know ... > > --- Nancy Brown > wrote: > > Hi Tim Tom, > > Pull up a chair and set a spell....if you`re seeking > > asylum from > > Digital, this is a good place to land(heavy emphasis > > on "asylum").Kindly > > disregard our constant and feeble attempts at humor, > > we bore easily and > > must sustain via silly scenarios re: the past week > > or so.On a more > > serious note, this group is an absolute fountain of > > knowledge on all > > things photographic and well beyond....we share > > literally thousands of > > years of experience.The purchase of your Rapid was a > > good > > thing....you`re now part of the family.Welcome! > > Robert > > > > P.S. Better settle on ONE name before you get your > > chops busted > > indefinitely > > > > > > Tim Edwards wrote: > > > > > Welp here goes ... My name is Tom and I now own a > > KO > > > 100 (sounds like an opening line at a AA meeting) > > ... > > > just purchased this prized possession from the > > > classifieds in the local paper. Was unaware of the > > > model before I went to look at it (was some > > intuitive > > > feeling that lead me to the sale). Came home that > > > evening and read for hours about the model and > > found > > > it to be just what I was looking for. Went back > > the > > > following day and purchased the KO 100 with two 90 > > mm > > > lenses (he never said why he had two lenses) and > > two > > > backs one is a 120 and the other a 220 but the > > center > > > screw and some springs are missing on the back of > > the > > > 220. Hope this listserv can help those of us just > > > beginning their relationship with the Rapid > > Loader. > > > ps. have been down the digital path and am back to > > > stay with my Omega D2, FE2 and KO 100. > > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > > > > I think it's time to pledge eternal loyalty to > > each > > > > other (sniff), Maybe an > > > > annointing cross of (sob)fixer on the forehead > > > > followed by a dusting of > > > > light seal crumbs. I'm really touched (sob, > > sob) by > > > > the bonds here and must > > > > stop before my keyboard wets out. > > > > > > > > OK, I have a grip again (me, a grip?)(hah!). > > > > Honestly, this is a lovely > > > > group and I do hope it expands beyond we few, we > > > > happy few, we band of > > > > brothers (and sisters)(sorry, King Henry). I > > know > > > > there have to be people > > > > out there who are either reading or dumping > > these > > > > postings. We'd love to > > > > hear from you! Where else can you get arcane > > > > trivia, Shakespeare, > > > > cross-dressing and a smattering of Koni speak? > > Of > > > > course some of the > > > > "other" lists gab extensively, but "their" > > cameras > > > > are either still in > > > > production in some form or are wide-spread in > > > > quantity and popularity. We > > > > have the luxury of a limited production, few > > models > > > > and fewer gadgets about > > > > which to wax poetic. (leica "Hoooey, Duuey and > > > > Leeewie" are not comparable > > > > here) We are but a few in a madding crowd > > (Sorry, > > > > bro Hardy) so why > > > > shouldn't we have our own special ways of seeing > > or > > > > being!!! > > > > So, Please, if you're a list lurker, PLEASE join > > in! > > > > This isn't the exclusive realm of humor (?) and > > bad > > > > taste, just the home of > > > > comfortable people who love what they do! Join > > > > us!!!????!!!! > > > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > > > >I must admit that KOML is the most fun, > > > > >interesting, diverse/perverse > > > > > discussion group that I`ve seen yet....I KNEW > > > > >there was something I liked > > > > about > > > > > you folks!!!! > > > > sez Robert/Nancy > > > > > > > > > > I think the heat is getting to us all... God > > > > help us if we were ever > > > > face to > > > > > > face... No cameras please... > > > > sez Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > KOML mailing list > > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 06:02:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:02:14 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat! Message-ID: <016501c22317$f7404700$79e6b1d8@evegirard> Tom, dear Tom. It's always going to be you, isn't it? Were you like this in school? The following excised copy needs some defining: " Big girl. Good pianist? " I do believe this was from your latest KOML post. You need a little re-alignment in the PC ways of women. I am not BIG; I am TALL. I am not BIG; I am SLENDER. BIG implies 300 pounds of terrible fun; I am not 300 pounds (worded that way on purpose, Tom). I do hope we have reached an understanding here, Tom. (;>) Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 07:00:49 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat! In-Reply-To: <016501c22317$f7404700$79e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020704060049.32978.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Ever since Tom's provocative 4-word post, I've been struggling to remember a story about a bar with a 12-inch tall piano player (and maybe geese or ducks?). Anybody? --- Eve Girard wrote: > Tom, dear Tom. > It's always going to be you, isn't it? Were you > like this in school? > The following excised copy needs some defining: " > Big girl. Good pianist? " > I do believe this was from your latest KOML post. > You need a little > re-alignment in the PC ways of women. I am not > BIG; I am TALL. I am not > BIG; I am SLENDER. BIG implies 300 pounds of > terrible fun; I am not 300 > pounds (worded that way on purpose, Tom). I do hope > we have reached an > understanding here, Tom. (;>) > Eve > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 07:16:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:16:08 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat! References: <20020704060049.32978.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01e401c22322$4a220940$79e6b1d8@evegirard> Paul, Are you sure it wasn't a gorilla and a fur coat? Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat! > Ever since Tom's provocative 4-word post, I've been > struggling to remember a story about a bar with a > 12-inch tall piano player (and maybe geese or ducks?). > Anybody? > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > Tom, dear Tom. > > It's always going to be you, isn't it? Were you > > like this in school? > > The following excised copy needs some defining: " > > Big girl. Good pianist? " > > I do believe this was from your latest KOML post. > > You need a little > > re-alignment in the PC ways of women. I am not > > BIG; I am TALL. I am not > > BIG; I am SLENDER. BIG implies 300 pounds of > > terrible fun; I am not 300 > > pounds (worded that way on purpose, Tom). I do hope > > we have reached an > > understanding here, Tom. (;>) > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 06:22:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:22:01 -0700 Subject: [KOML] A welcoming grip Message-ID: <01d801c2231a$ba5bdea0$79e6b1d8@evegirard> >>You can include these answers in any >conversation that is suitable for reading by a >dull person whose definition of "cross dressing" >is getting both legs stuck in the same pant leg. Gee, Barry, anyone with your wit and a Koni can't be too dull! I realize that no one has really answered your fireworks question re film - I know a link was provided - but it seems as if the usual sage advice is use a fast print film. As to lens, use what you have. The 90 should cover a multitude of sins and a slow exposure of multiple bursts with the 60 ought to work just fine. The 180 would presume your ability to predict bursts and their time and height. These are just some random thoughts as I haven't shot a firework itself since '68. The last planned barrage I took was at Safeco Field a couple of years back in response to a homerun. Guess I've rambled enough for now. Good shooting and best of luck! I'm sure we're all looking forward to hearing from you soon. Eve (Tall and Slender in Lacey, WA) From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 07:04:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] For Sparky - 90mm filter ring instructions Message-ID: <20020704060421.18099.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Sparky, (1) First, make sure the step-down ring hasn't already been removed. Try attaching a 49mm filter if you have one, or measure the diameter of the filter flange with a ruler. If it's 49mm, there's nothing left to remove. If it's several mm. smaller, you've still got the original ring. (2) Use a 1-3/4" rubber drain stopper (various sizes are available at large hardware stores, or at plumbing supply houses). It looks like a horizontal cross-section of an inverted, solid rubber cone, usually with a pulling ring set into the top (larger-diameter) side. Nest it carefully into the front of the lens (ring side away from the glass), keeping it centered and not touching the glass. (3) Gently press the stopper down toward the glass so that it fits snugly into the step-down ring, and simultaneously twist it counter-clockwise to unscrew the ring. If it doesn't work immediately, try slightly firmer downward pressure, and slightly more rotational force. (4) Do NOT 'brute force' it; that shouldn't be necessary with a normal assembly. There's a remote chance somebody has glued or otherwise fixed the step-down ring in place, or that corrosion has done the same. In that case, excessive force may damage various parts of the lens and/or your hands. I hope this works for you! And as for parts for a 220 back, I don't have a clue -- other than cannibalizing worn-out backs. Good luck, -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 07:22:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:22:23 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat! In-Reply-To: <20020704060049.32978.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <016501c22317$f7404700$79e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D23B15F.6849.193D802@localhost> Ooops, didn't know "Big" meant wide. Now I know. Semi-big Tom On Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 23:00, Paul R. wrote re "Re: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat!" saying: > Ever since Tom's provocative 4-word post, I've been > struggling to remember a story about a bar with a > 12-inch tall piano player (and maybe geese or ducks?). > Anybody? > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > Tom, dear Tom. > > It's always going to be you, isn't it? Were you > > like this in school? > > The following excised copy needs some defining: " > > Big girl. Good pianist? " > > I do believe this was from your latest KOML post. > > You need a little > > re-alignment in the PC ways of women. I am not > > BIG; I am TALL. I am not > > BIG; I am SLENDER. BIG implies 300 pounds of > > terrible fun; I am not 300 > > pounds (worded that way on purpose, Tom). I do hope > > we have reached an > > understanding here, Tom. (;>) > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 07:54:27 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:54:27 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020703202030.02540ec0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703155055.00a89fb8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <3D23B8E3.26687.1B131BE@localhost> On Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 20:22, Craig Zeni wrote re "Re: [KOML] Magnetic Media and X-Rays" saying: ... > I took some Fuji 800 Press to the UK on vacation last year. It got at > least five runs thru various carry-on machines and showed no evidence of > fogging or other unpleasantness. You're very lucky, or the machines only appeared to work... Fogging would start to show up in the shadows, so it would depend on what pix you took. Tom ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 10:44:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:44:47 +0100 Subject: [KOML] RF & focusing: A clue? In-Reply-To: <20020703102247.23007.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020703102247.23007.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 3:22 AM -0700 3/7/02, Paul R. wrote: >Hello again, > >I may have a relevant clue to my RF/focusing problems. > I just compared the RO200 body to an M body I haven't >yet used. The 'actuator pins' (where the rods on the >90 and 180 connect) look different on the 2 bodies. > >On the RO200, the pin on the right (looking at the >front of the camera & upright, naturally) is close to >the 'surface' and immobile, and the left pin is deeply >recessed into the body and immobile. > >On the M, the right pin rests in the same, >close-to-the surface position, but when the body is >tilted forward/down, it falls forward and extends out >of the body. The left pin rests much closer to the >surface (almost even with the right pin). > Paul, Sounds as though you have diagnosed the problems. A Greg Weber CLA for your RO200 may be a good idea - it's probably just a broken or misplaced spring in the rangefinder rod assembly. The camera is over 20 years old and I bet all those wonderful lubricants have dried out and gummed up nicely over the years. Go on, give your camera a treat! Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 5 10:42:02 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 02:42:02 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The Big Date Message-ID: <006401c22408$385618a0$11e6b1d8@evegirard> Well, I'm back. He didn't get lucky and I did - I got home in one piece. So, I'm still stuffed with Lobster and wine but I'm tired from being stuck in a car in traffic with a boor who doesn't listen. Why is it men of my age seem to not hear women? I was on my best behavior - honest! Perhaps he was nervous but it seemed as if I was speaking into a vacuum. I may be a lot of things, but I am not (too) boring! And he was just a bit shorter than me which didn't help his ego - he had the gall to mention that, too. (at least he didn't say "big," Tom) We did have a common point; he has a camcorder. Ya don't suppose he was intimidated, do ya? I don't think I was what he expected. He was better than I thought, though; he didn't break wind and his family is free of lawyers. I believe one of our latest KOML topic was about grips; I'll have bruises on my arm from his shepherding grip. He's in software development, but still seemed like a damned old car salesman to me. Speaking of grips, though, the goodnight handshake and hug was quite nice! (;>) So it looks as if the man-hunt continues. Sorry there aren't any juicy details - maybe next time. I think I say "no" too often when asked out. But, hell, most of them don't have teeth! I hope this post does get out. I sent one before I got ready today and it never came back to me. The list has been dead since around noon. Hey, Clive, did'ja pay yer Internet bill? BTW, the May/June "View Camera" has a great article on making enlarged negs using an Ortho film and Pyro. If you ever wanted to have a platinum print of one of your Koni negs, this is a great thing to read. Off to bed - work tomorrow. Eve "Ah don't know nothin bout birthin no babies, Miz Scarlet!" From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 12:54:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 07:54:21 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat! References: <20020704060049.32978.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D24376D.F372B716@earthlink.net> I have a feeling this joke segues right into Chapter Three, wherein the demure damsel discovers that twelve inches is not always a foot..... Robert "Paul R." wrote: > Ever since Tom's provocative 4-word post, I've been > struggling to remember a story about a bar with a > 12-inch tall piano player (and maybe geese or ducks?). > Anybody? > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > Tom, dear Tom. > > It's always going to be you, isn't it? Were you > > like this in school? > > The following excised copy needs some defining: " > > Big girl. Good pianist? " > > I do believe this was from your latest KOML post. > > You need a little > > re-alignment in the PC ways of women. I am not > > BIG; I am TALL. I am not > > BIG; I am SLENDER. BIG implies 300 pounds of > > terrible fun; I am not 300 > > pounds (worded that way on purpose, Tom). I do hope > > we have reached an > > understanding here, Tom. (;>) > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 5 22:48:58 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 17:48:58 -0400 Subject: [KOML] For Sparky - 90mm filter ring instructions References: <20020704060421.18099.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D261449.1F65AFB3@earthlink.net> Hey Sparky, Hope you and all KOML`rs had a good 4th.Paul put you on the right track for removing that Series 6 ring; the official size designation for the rubber plug is 10 1/2.Also, I find it`s much easier to take the entire sliding hood and ring off as a complete assembly before you try this...less chance of effing-up the glass. There are 3 really tiny screws around the circumference of the sliding hood- remove these and you`re in business.The hood and ring will slide right off the lens.Putting a wide rubber band around the outer surface of the hood will give you more "gription" (highly technical term) while you`re trying to separate the ring from the hood. Robert "Paul R." wrote: > Sparky, > > (1) First, make sure the step-down ring hasn't already > been removed. Try attaching a 49mm filter if you have > one, or measure the diameter of the filter flange with > a ruler. If it's 49mm, there's nothing left to > remove. If it's several mm. smaller, you've still got > the original ring. > > (2) Use a 1-3/4" rubber drain stopper (various sizes > are available at large hardware stores, or at plumbing > supply houses). It looks like a horizontal > cross-section of an inverted, solid rubber cone, > usually with a pulling ring set into the top > (larger-diameter) side. Nest it carefully into the > front of the lens (ring side away from the glass), > keeping it centered and not touching the glass. > > (3) Gently press the stopper down toward the glass so > that it fits snugly into the step-down ring, and > simultaneously twist it counter-clockwise to unscrew > the ring. If it doesn't work immediately, try > slightly firmer downward pressure, and slightly more > rotational force. > > (4) Do NOT 'brute force' it; that shouldn't be > necessary with a normal assembly. There's a remote > chance somebody has glued or otherwise fixed the > step-down ring in place, or that corrosion has done > the same. In that case, excessive force may damage > various parts of the lens and/or your hands. > > I hope this works for you! > > And as for parts for a 220 back, I don't have a clue > -- other than cannibalizing worn-out backs. > > Good luck, > > -Paul > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 5 23:27:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:27:14 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat! In-Reply-To: <3D24376D.F372B716@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D25E502.21699.16B8A48@localhost> Every guy envies a 12" pianist.... Tom On Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 7:54, Nancy Brown wrote re "Re: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat!" saying: > I have a feeling this joke segues right into Chapter Three, wherein the > demure damsel discovers that twelve inches is not always a foot..... > Robert > > "Paul R." wrote: > > > Ever since Tom's provocative 4-word post, I've been > > struggling to remember a story about a bar with a > > 12-inch tall piano player (and maybe geese or ducks?). > > Anybody? > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > Tom, dear Tom. > > > It's always going to be you, isn't it? Were you > > > like this in school? > > > The following excised copy needs some defining: " > > > Big girl. Good pianist? " > > > I do believe this was from your latest KOML post. > > > You need a little > > > re-alignment in the PC ways of women. I am not > > > BIG; I am TALL. I am not > > > BIG; I am SLENDER. BIG implies 300 pounds of > > > terrible fun; I am not 300 > > > pounds (worded that way on purpose, Tom). I do hope > > > we have reached an > > > understanding here, Tom. (;>) > > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 00:11:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:11:41 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat! In-Reply-To: <3D25E502.21699.16B8A48@localhost> References: <3D24376D.F372B716@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020705191114.01e4c2e0@pop.mindspring.com> At 06:27 PM 7/5/2002, you wrote: >Every guy envies a 12" pianist.... Mushroom with a 12" painist is a fungi to be with. Forgive me... From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 00:19:24 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Roger Wiser) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:19:24 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Test Message-ID: <3D26297B.52E38892@cni-usa.com> Test Post From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 00:26:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:26:13 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Magnetic Media and X-Rays References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703155055.00a89fb8@127.0.0.1> <3D23B8E3.26687.1B131BE@localhost> Message-ID: <3D262B14.15CD25D8@earthlink.net> Tom, Still trying to decipher that Dead Language you insist on tacking onto the bottom of every post: Quidquid latine (2 quid to use the latrine?) Dictum ( what Bill Clinton did to his interns?) Sit altum viditurd (If you sit too long you`ll get hemmoroids?) Robert Dominus Nabisco Shredded Wheat Tom Trottier wrote: > On Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 20:22, Craig Zeni > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Magnetic Media and X-Rays" saying: > ... > > I took some Fuji 800 Press to the UK on vacation last year. It got at > > least five runs thru various carry-on machines and showed no evidence of > > fogging or other unpleasantness. > > You're very lucky, or the machines only appeared to work... > > Fogging would start to show up in the shadows, so it would depend on > what pix you took. > > Tom > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 00:29:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:29:33 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: <3D262B14.15CD25D8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D25F39D.25802.1A49A65@localhost> What one says in Latin looks profound. Actually, the Xrays may increase your film speed by raising the toe of the density/exposure graph a little. Tom On Friday, July 05, 2002 at 19:26, Nancy Brown wrote re "Re: [KOML] Magnetic Media and X-Rays" saying: > Tom, > Still trying to decipher that Dead Language you insist on tacking onto the > bottom of every post: > Quidquid latine (2 quid to use the latrine?) > Dictum ( what Bill Clinton did to his interns?) > Sit altum viditurd (If you sit too long you`ll get hemmoroids?) > > Robert > > Dominus Nabisco Shredded Wheat > > > Tom Trottier wrote: > > > On Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 20:22, Craig Zeni > > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Magnetic Media and X-Rays" saying: > > ... > > > I took some Fuji 800 Press to the UK on vacation last year. It got at > > > least five runs thru various carry-on machines and showed no evidence of > > > fogging or other unpleasantness. > > > > You're very lucky, or the machines only appeared to work... > > > > Fogging would start to show up in the shadows, so it would depend on > > what pix you took. ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 00:29:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:29:52 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Test In-Reply-To: <3D26297B.52E38892@cni-usa.com> Message-ID: <3D25F3B0.21133.1A4E364@localhost> Tested. Held fence. Tom On Friday, July 05, 2002 at 18:19, Roger Wiser wrote re "[KOML] Test" saying: > Test Post > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 00:48:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Roger Wiser) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:48:52 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Test References: <3D25F3B0.21133.1A4E364@localhost> Message-ID: <3D263064.5579883B@cni-usa.com> Hi Tom, a previous post did not get through. It must have been due to the address, unless comments about digital are filtered out. I told the group about my experience using my digital to take fireworks pictures. Roger Tom Trottier wrote: > Tested. Held fence. > > Tom From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 02:00:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:00:19 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Test In-Reply-To: <3D263064.5579883B@cni-usa.com> Message-ID: <3D2608E3.13199.1F7B1B0@localhost> I thought of another use for a post... Tom On Friday, July 05, 2002 at 18:48, Roger Wiser wrote re "Re: [KOML] Test" saying: > Hi Tom, a previous post did not get through. It must have been due to the > address, unless comments about digital are filtered out. I told the group > about my experience using my digital to take fireworks pictures. > > Roger > > Tom Trottier wrote: > > > Tested. Held fence. > > > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 02:38:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:38:52 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Test References: <3D25F3B0.21133.1A4E364@localhost> <3D263064.5579883B@cni-usa.com> Message-ID: <3D264A2C.688C48C9@earthlink.net> Must be Gremlins in the system....I sent a message on July 4th @ 7:30 a.m. and it did not post to the list `til July 5th at 6:00 p.m. Robert Roger Wiser wrote: > Hi Tom, a previous post did not get through. It must have been due to the > address, unless comments about digital are filtered out. I told the group > about my experience using my digital to take fireworks pictures. > > Roger > > Tom Trottier wrote: > > > Tested. Held fence. > > > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 03:16:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jay Hipps) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:16:42 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The Big Date In-Reply-To: <006401c22408$385618a0$11e6b1d8@evegirard> References: <006401c22408$385618a0$11e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: Well, at the risk of entering into a conversation that is entertaining but certainly off-topic for the list... It's clear to me, Eve, that you're simply a medium-format woman stuck in a world of point-and-shoot men. Cheers, Jay Hipps At 2:42 AM -0700 7/5/02, Eve Girard wrote: > Well, I'm back. He didn't get lucky and I did - I got home in one >piece. So, I'm still stuffed with Lobster and wine but I'm tired from being >stuck in a car in traffic with a boor who doesn't listen. >Why is it men of my age seem to not hear women? I was on my best behavior - >honest! Perhaps he was nervous but it seemed as if I was speaking into a >vacuum. I may be a lot of things, but I am not (too) boring! And he was >just a bit shorter than me which didn't help his ego - he had the gall to >mention that, too. (at least he didn't say "big," Tom) We did have a >common point; he has a camcorder. Ya don't suppose he was intimidated, do >ya? I don't think I was what he expected. He was better than I thought, >though; he didn't break wind and his family is free of lawyers. I believe >one of our latest KOML topic was about grips; I'll have bruises on my arm >from his shepherding grip. He's in software development, but still seemed >like a damned old car salesman to me. Speaking of grips, though, the >goodnight handshake and hug was quite nice! (;>) > So it looks as if the man-hunt continues. Sorry there aren't any juicy >details - maybe next time. I think I say "no" too often when asked out. >But, hell, most of them don't have teeth! > I hope this post does get out. I sent one before I got ready today and >it never came back to me. >The list has been dead since around noon. Hey, Clive, did'ja pay yer >Internet bill? > BTW, the May/June "View Camera" has a great article on making enlarged >negs using an Ortho film and Pyro. If you ever wanted to have a platinum >print of one of your Koni negs, this is a great thing to read. > Off to bed - work tomorrow. > Eve > "Ah don't know nothin bout birthin no babies, Miz Scarlet!" > > > >_______________________________________________ >KOML mailing list >KOML@koni-omega.org >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 03:43:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:43:08 -0400 Subject: [KOML] For Sparky - 90mm filter ring instructions Message-ID: <20020706024306.KCLK8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Sparky and all, No expert here, but when I sent my Koni to Greg to get it in shape, I had him take the series 6 ring out. I believe he told me he had to soak it in some kind of solvent to loosen the ring. So you may not be able to get the thing out yourself. Don't force it. Best, Barry From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 04:54:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:54:55 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The Big Date References: <006401c22408$385618a0$11e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <010501c224a0$e4ce7c60$11e6b1d8@evegirard> Well said, Jay! A great line. I know I do sway to the perilous side of way off topic, but at least I mentioned Koni negatives at the end. (besides, I promised I'd tell!). I just love to have this list alive and well and if I have to talk about my date to get some chatter, then so be it! At least it's not about digital. (;>) Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hipps" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] The Big Date > Well, at the risk of entering into a conversation that is > entertaining but certainly off-topic for the list... > > It's clear to me, Eve, that you're simply a medium-format woman stuck > in a world of point-and-shoot men. > > Cheers, > Jay Hipps > > At 2:42 AM -0700 7/5/02, Eve Girard wrote: > > Well, I'm back. He didn't get lucky and I did - I got home in one > >piece. So, I'm still stuffed with Lobster and wine but I'm tired from being > >stuck in a car in traffic with a boor who doesn't listen. > >Why is it men of my age seem to not hear women? I was on my best behavior - > >honest! Perhaps he was nervous but it seemed as if I was speaking into a > >vacuum. I may be a lot of things, but I am not (too) boring! And he was > >just a bit shorter than me which didn't help his ego - he had the gall to > >mention that, too. (at least he didn't say "big," Tom) We did have a > >common point; he has a camcorder. Ya don't suppose he was intimidated, do > >ya? I don't think I was what he expected. He was better than I thought, > >though; he didn't break wind and his family is free of lawyers. I believe > >one of our latest KOML topic was about grips; I'll have bruises on my arm > >from his shepherding grip. He's in software development, but still seemed > >like a damned old car salesman to me. Speaking of grips, though, the > >goodnight handshake and hug was quite nice! (;>) > > So it looks as if the man-hunt continues. Sorry there aren't any juicy > >details - maybe next time. I think I say "no" too often when asked out. > >But, hell, most of them don't have teeth! > > I hope this post does get out. I sent one before I got ready today and > >it never came back to me. > >The list has been dead since around noon. Hey, Clive, did'ja pay yer > >Internet bill? > > BTW, the May/June "View Camera" has a great article on making enlarged > >negs using an Ortho film and Pyro. If you ever wanted to have a platinum > >print of one of your Koni negs, this is a great thing to read. > > Off to bed - work tomorrow. > > Eve > > "Ah don't know nothin bout birthin no babies, Miz Scarlet!" > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >KOML mailing list > >KOML@koni-omega.org > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 16:41:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat! In-Reply-To: <01e401c22322$4a220940$79e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020704154141.11478.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: > Paul, > Are you sure it wasn't a gorilla and a fur coat? > Eve Pretty sure, but why not try me? I'll be incommunicado for the next few days (alright, settle down everybody). A great holiday to all! -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 4 23:17:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:17:01 -0700 Subject: [KOML] 4th of July Message-ID: <00e101c223a8$86b54620$5ce6b1d8@evegirard> I just wanted to drop a note to everyone in hope that a thoughtful and safe 4th is had by all. We're having a very cool and wet 4th here in the Washington woods. Raining like mad at the moment. And since the "great date" is still on (so far) we'll see how well he improvises - a true test in my books. Yes, I will give a (reasonably) full report either this evening or tomorrow . . . Paul and Craig, I wish I had some insight to offer re your focus woes but I have not had that problem with my thumpy old Rapids. Well, off to the bath. Time to get ready for my evening (gulp). Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 07:12:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:12:08 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The Big Date In-Reply-To: <006401c22408$385618a0$11e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D2651F8.1344.3152D54@localhost> Our commiserations that the Fireworks were only up in the sky. We'll listen, but we're distant too... Lawyer's son, Tom On Friday, July 05, 2002 at 2:42, Eve Girard wrote re "[KOML] The Big Date" saying: > Well, I'm back. He didn't get lucky and I did - I got home in one > piece. So, I'm still stuffed with Lobster and wine but I'm tired from > being stuck in a car in traffic with a boor who doesn't listen. Why is > it men of my age seem to not hear women? I was on my best behavior - > honest! Perhaps he was nervous but it seemed as if I was speaking into > a vacuum. I may be a lot of things, but I am not (too) boring! And he > was just a bit shorter than me which didn't help his ego - he had the > gall to mention that, too. (at least he didn't say "big," Tom) We did > have a common point; he has a camcorder. Ya don't suppose he was > intimidated, do ya? I don't think I was what he expected. He was > better than I thought, though; he didn't break wind and his family is > free of lawyers. I believe one of our latest KOML topic was about > grips; I'll have bruises on my arm from his shepherding grip. He's in > software development, but still seemed like a damned old car salesman to > me. Speaking of grips, though, the goodnight handshake and hug was > quite nice! (;>) > So it looks as if the man-hunt continues. Sorry there aren't > any juicy details - maybe next time. I think I say "no" too often > when asked out. > But, hell, most of them don't have teeth! I hope this post does get > out. I sent one before I got ready today and it never came back to > me. > The list has been dead since around noon. Hey, Clive, did'ja pay yer > Internet bill? > BTW, the May/June "View Camera" has a great article on making > enlarged > negs using an Ortho film and Pyro. If you ever wanted to have a > platinum print of one of your Koni negs, this is a great thing to read. > Off to bed - work tomorrow. > Eve > "Ah don't know nothin bout birthin no babies, Miz Scarlet!" ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 07:26:48 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:26:48 -0400 Subject: [KOML] 4th of July In-Reply-To: <00e101c223a8$86b54620$5ce6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D265568.4688.3229B0C@localhost> Dear Eve, Received 2:26 am EST July 6. Tom On Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 15:17, Eve Girard wrote re "[KOML] 4th of July" saying: > I just wanted to drop a note to everyone in hope that a thoughtful > and > safe 4th is had by all. > We're having a very cool and wet 4th here in the Washington woods. > Raining like mad at the moment. And since the "great date" is still on > (so far) we'll see how well he improvises - a true test in my books. > Yes, I will give a (reasonably) full report either this evening or > tomorrow . . . > Paul and Craig, I wish I had some insight to offer re your focus > woes > but I have not had that problem with my thumpy old Rapids. > Well, off to the bath. Time to get ready for my evening (gulp). Eve > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 07:35:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:35:23 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Time delay Message-ID: <019801c224b7$4f5857c0$11e6b1d8@evegirard> Upon receiving a post from myself that was 24 hours old and much out of sequence, I can't help but wonder what the Heck is going on? I hope this evens out soon! Thank you, Tom, for your gracious and humorous repartee! As for being a lawyer's son - surprise me some more! This is just a glorified test message, please forgive the distinct lack of K O content. I hate to start a thread if the returns are going to be disjointed in transit. (we can do that all by ourselves) I do have a small confession to make. Sit down all. In about ten day's time, I'll be doing some fashion show audition shots using the very Coolpix 950 that I maligned in a recent post. Who'd a thunk it? A client offered one to me and I couldn't resist. There are days when I amaze myself! I'm going to be using it as a glorified notebook on the spot. I have nothing to offer on K O focus, back repair or filter attachments. These have all been covered wisely and thoroughly by our learned and esteemed members. For those who keep score on content, I'm really trying here. . . Later, Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 14:35:11 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 09:35:11 -0400 Subject: [KOML] For Sparky - 90mm filter ring instructions In-Reply-To: <20020706024306.KCLK8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.co x.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020706093203.023dbc70@pop.mindspring.com> At 10:43 PM 7/5/2002, you wrote: >Sparky and all, >No expert here, but when I sent my Koni to Greg to get it in shape, I had >him take the series 6 ring out. I believe he told me he had to soak it in >some kind of solvent to loosen the ring. So you may not be able to get >the thing out yourself. Don't force it. B&W still sells a decent range of Series 6 filters. You won't walk into a store and buy one off the shelf, but they are available pretty easily special order. I picked up a couple of adapter rings for $5 from the 'filter stuff' box at my local shop that also had a mess of other series filters dirt cheap. I went ahead and ordered a new one - medium yellow for $35. So you don't HAVE to pull out the ring to use filters... Back to the Luddite wars :) Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 16:39:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (KOML Admin) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:39:44 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Test In-Reply-To: <3D263064.5579883B@cni-usa.com> References: <3D25F3B0.21133.1A4E364@localhost> <3D263064.5579883B@cni-usa.com> Message-ID: At 6:48 pm -0500 5/7/02, Roger Wiser wrote: >Hi Tom, a previous post did not get through. It must have been due to the >address, unless comments about digital are filtered out. I told the group >about my experience using my digital to take fireworks pictures. > >Roger Roger, Your post was bounced by the list server as it contained HTML! There is a fairly comprehensive filtering system to ensure that only the finest plain text gets through...... The list server appears to working perfectly - I guess the delays were due to July 4th celebrations in the server room....... KOML Admin From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 22:13:54 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tim Edwards) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] For Sparky - 90mm filter ring instructions In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020706093203.023dbc70@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020706211354.96313.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Since I had two 90 mm lenses tried removing the ring on the one not mounted on the camera ... the hood kinda of popped off the lense when I was using my fingers to loosen the ring .... the ring was finger tight and did come off ... it seem like two of the tiny screws were rather loose allowing the hood to come off ... I do appreciate the input .... after doing this work seems like the opthamologist was right will need to get reading glasses Is there anything about the KO 100 that you all do not know :-) Am amazed at the broad base of experience on this list serve thanx again ... not sure which direction that I will go on with the filters but at least have several choices Sparky --- Craig Zeni wrote: > At 10:43 PM 7/5/2002, you wrote: > >Sparky and all, > >No expert here, but when I sent my Koni to Greg to > get it in shape, I had > >him take the series 6 ring out. I believe he told > me he had to soak it in > >some kind of solvent to loosen the ring. So you > may not be able to get > >the thing out yourself. Don't force it. > > > > B&W still sells a decent range of Series 6 filters. > You won't walk into a > store and buy one off the shelf, but they are > available pretty easily > special order. I picked up a couple of adapter > rings for $5 from the > 'filter stuff' box at my local shop that also had a > mess of other series > filters dirt cheap. I went ahead and ordered a new > one - medium yellow for > $35. > > So you don't HAVE to pull out the ring to use > filters... > > Back to the Luddite wars :) > > > > > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot > com > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html > > Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 6 23:08:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 18:08:21 -0400 Subject: [KOML] For Sparky - 90mm filter ring instructions References: <20020706211354.96313.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D276A55.16910AE1@earthlink.net> Sparky, Since I own more than a few vintage cameras and a bunch of lenses with many different filter sizes, I figured I`d better find a common denominator here somewhere before I wound up buying the same filters in 17 different sizes.(Already been down that road with vinyl LP`s,CD`s, Digitally Remastered CD`s, ad nauseum!!)I made a decision to go with the Cokin "P" system which allows you to use one set of filters and mount, needing to change only the adapter rings,which only cost a few bucks each.This is a versatile system that gives a lot of options...worth looking into. B&H`s website is a good source of info, and one of the few N.Y. joints that won`t try to screw you over.... Robert Tim Edwards wrote: > Since I had two 90 mm lenses tried removing the ring > on the one not mounted on the camera ... the hood > kinda of popped off the lense when I was using my > fingers to loosen the ring .... the ring was finger > tight and did come off ... it seem like two of the > tiny screws were rather loose allowing the hood to > come off ... I do appreciate the input .... after > doing this work seems like the opthamologist was right > will need to get reading glasses > > Is there anything about the KO 100 that you all do not > know :-) Am amazed at the broad base of experience on > this list serve thanx again ... not sure which > direction that I will go on with the filters but at > least have several choices > > Sparky > > --- Craig Zeni wrote: > > At 10:43 PM 7/5/2002, you wrote: > > >Sparky and all, > > >No expert here, but when I sent my Koni to Greg to > > get it in shape, I had > > >him take the series 6 ring out. I believe he told > > me he had to soak it in > > >some kind of solvent to loosen the ring. So you > > may not be able to get > > >the thing out yourself. Don't force it. > > > > > > > > B&W still sells a decent range of Series 6 filters. > > You won't walk into a > > store and buy one off the shelf, but they are > > available pretty easily > > special order. I picked up a couple of adapter > > rings for $5 from the > > 'filter stuff' box at my local shop that also had a > > mess of other series > > filters dirt cheap. I went ahead and ordered a new > > one - medium yellow for > > $35. > > > > So you don't HAVE to pull out the ring to use > > filters... > > > > Back to the Luddite wars :) > > > > > > > > > > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot > > com > > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > > http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html > > > > Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 01:28:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:28:21 +0100 Subject: [KOML] The Big Date In-Reply-To: <006401c22408$385618a0$11e6b1d8@evegirard> References: <006401c22408$385618a0$11e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: At 2:42 am -0700 5/7/02, Eve Girard wrote: > Well, I'm back. He didn't get lucky and I did - I got home in one >piece. So, I'm still stuffed with Lobster and wine but I'm tired from being >stuck in a car in traffic with a boor who doesn't listen. snip > I hope this post does get out. I sent one before I got ready today and >it never came back to me. >The list has been dead since around noon. Hey, Clive, did'ja pay yer >Internet bill? > BTW, the May/June "View Camera" has a great article on making enlarged >negs using an Ortho film and Pyro. If you ever wanted to have a platinum >print of one of your Koni negs, this is a great thing to read. Eve, You deserve better! As for the delayed posts - the listserve now must have a bit of a hangover after all the celebrations on the 4th. I have paid my dues so we should be receiving tip top service. I subscribed to Mr Simmons' mag a couple of weeks ago and will have to check to see if the May/June edition is in the pile that arrived here at Warren Mansions a while ago. I have been in Internet purgatory for the most part of the day after another unrelated server suffered a hiccup in Philadelphia. Just when I was ready to go out with loaded cameras after a week of wind and rain - such is life. Anyway, just like to say that thanks to your sparkling prose the list is now one of my favorite reads every day and if I make it to the sunny (?) North West USA then I'll invite you out for a meal - can't promise fireworks but you won't get bored :-) Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 05:34:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:34:18 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Presbyopia In-Reply-To: <20020706211354.96313.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020706093203.023dbc70@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D278C8A.16878.2F6E978@localhost> Ahh, the joys of growing old...presbyopia. I started using the $20 drugstore glasses, which were great, and then, because I had a health plan, I got bifocals -- but not for distance and near. I had them made for near (12-48") and very near (6-12"). Now I wear them in meetings and on the computer, and use the very near section for my palm pilot and detailed work. I made the very-near section about 15% of the total area. Tom On Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 14:13, Tim Edwards wrote re "RE: [KOML] For Sparky - 90mm filter ring instruct" saying: ... > after doing this work seems like the opthamologist was right will need > to get reading glasses ... ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 07:03:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Really MAD in the heat! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020705191114.01e4c2e0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020707060337.50805.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> --- Craig Zeni wrote: > At 06:27 PM 7/5/2002, you wrote: > >Every guy envies a 12" pianist.... > > Mushroom with a 12" painist is a fungi to be with. > > > Forgive me... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 07:20:57 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020705191114.01e4c2e0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020707062057.88446.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> --- Craig Zeni wrote: > At 06:27 PM 7/5/2002, you wrote: > >Every guy envies a 12" pianist.... > > Mushroom with a 12" painist is a fungi to be with. > > > Forgive me... > (Oops, sorry, I hit the 'send' key prematurely last time.) Tom, you clearly got the essence of the joke which I STILL can't remember, despite a few days' wandering in the wilderness. Craig -- painfully funny! Eve, it's my opinion that you're undeniably LARGE format -- in a tall and slender way, of course! :-) Thanks for the entertaining exchange, all. It's a witty group. Oh, and on a Koni note: I did indeed shoot a few frames with my maladjusted 200 up in Sequoia this weekend (using only the 90). Unfortunately I didn't carry it with me on an impromptu stream exploration which turned out to be the most picturesque location (by far) of the weekend! If I had a compartmentalized, padded backpack that would hold the 200 body w/90mm, plus the 58/60 and maybe the 180, plus an extra back and a bit of film & filters ... I think I'd miss fewer shots. Does anybody have a specific recommendation for such a bag? Maybe one of the Lowepro models? -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 08:02:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re:Just join us In-Reply-To: <20020703134824.WDOO8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <20020707070201.76941.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Barry, Please forgive the slow response. See my 1/2 cents'-worth below. -Paul --- Barry F wrote: > 1. Do you actually use the camera grip when using > the camera, or do you simply hand-hold the square > camera so it's quicker to mount it on a tripod for > vertical shots? I hand-hold without the grip -- assuming there's enough light, and that I want to use a fast enough shutter to do so. Otherwise, I mount it on the tripod for EITHER horizontal or vertical shots. I have read that the inverse-of-focal-length rule applies in 6x7 format, just as it does in 35mm. So when using the 90mm lens, I don't hand-hold at any speed slower than 1/125. That only gives me 3 speeds to choose from -- which may limit my aperture (and DOF) choices unacceptably, depending on film, conditions & objectives. And then of course there are the shots you can ONLY get with a slow shutter ('blurry' waterfalls, headlight streaks, etc.) So I prefer to have my camera tripod-ready at all times. > 2. Do you recommend a cable release when > hand-holding the camera, or is your index finger > actually ten inches long? Which way keeps the camera > steadier? Unless you're using the grip and its attached cable bracket, I find it very awkward to wrestle with a cable while hand-holding the camera. I use my rather long middle finger for the button release. In the US you have to be careful who's standing to your left, and be prepared to move (or explain) quickly. > 4. Do > you need the 180 to shoot fireworks? (Although I > did consider a career in the circus, I'd rather not > stand right on top of the launch tube) LOL! > 5. And, by the way, what is your favorite B&W film > for the Koni? (I know, I'll get a lot of "it > depends.") I need to stock up for the fireworks. > B&W for fireworks -- interesting. I'd never do it, but I'm a color freak (Velvia & Provia dominate my refrigerator). Sign of a small/simple brain, I think. > You can include these answers in any conversation > that is suitable for reading by a dull person whose > definition of "cross dressing" is getting both legs > stuck in the same pant leg. LOL again! Far from dull. Write on! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 08:21:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 03:21:08 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks In-Reply-To: <20020707062057.88446.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020705191114.01e4c2e0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D27B3A4.18781.38FA5FD@localhost> Dear Paul, I use a shoulder bag rather than a backpack. If I need to backpack it, it goes into a daybag. My bag is the Lowepro Omni Traveller "Extreme" with the Pelican hardcase for canoeing. See http://www.flashcube.com/store/lp_test/pages/Omni%20Traveler.htm for a pic. My price was less than $200 Canadian here three years ago. I like the size and all the openings. I had a tailor sew on two strap holders to the two "bottoms" to hold straps for a tripod or to affix to my bike. I use it mainly for my Olympus stuff, but it should fit a complete Koni outfit with lots of film. Tom On Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 23:20, Paul R. wrote re "Re: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, bac" saying: > If I had a compartmentalized, padded backpack that would hold the 200 > body w/90mm, plus the 58/60 and maybe the 180, plus an extra back and > a bit of film & filters ... I think I'd miss fewer shots. > > Does anybody have a specific recommendation for such a bag? Maybe > one of the Lowepro models? ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 08:42:32 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks In-Reply-To: <3D27B3A4.18781.38FA5FD@localhost> Message-ID: <20020707074232.16531.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, Your shoulder bag looks like a nice bit of gear. I'm impressed with the Lowepro line. I have the Mini-Trekker AW, which has proven very functional for 35mm, and includes a tripod pouch and allows the attachment of optional water-bottle holders on the sides. Great for hiking, cycling, rollerblading, etc. But I wouldn't try any of those activities with a shoulder bag. (Insert nightmare visions of sudden shifts in center of gravity while rock-hopping or skating through a crowd ...) And being spoiled by the Mini-Trekker, I don't see myself using an ordinary (non-compartmentalized) daypack for the KO gear. So probably one of the larger (gulp) Lowepro backpacks is the answer. Has anybody here used one with a Koni outfit? -Paul --- Tom Trottier wrote: > Dear Paul, > > I use a shoulder bag rather than a backpack. If I > need to backpack it, > it goes into a daybag. > > My bag is the Lowepro Omni Traveller "Extreme" with > the Pelican > hardcase for canoeing. See > http://www.flashcube.com/store/lp_test/pages/Omni%20Traveler.htm > for a > pic. My price was less than $200 Canadian here three > years ago. I like > the size and all the openings. I had a tailor sew on > two strap holders > to the two "bottoms" to hold straps for a tripod or > to affix to my > bike. > > I use it mainly for my Olympus stuff, but it should > fit a complete Koni > outfit with lots of film. > > Tom > > On Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 23:20, Paul R. > > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable > women, bac" saying: > > > If I had a compartmentalized, padded backpack that > would hold the 200 > > body w/90mm, plus the 58/60 and maybe the 180, > plus an extra back and > > a bit of film & filters ... I think I'd miss fewer > shots. > > > > Does anybody have a specific recommendation for > such a bag? Maybe > > one of the Lowepro models? > > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur > ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 09:00:57 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Tom T.'s signature In-Reply-To: <3D27B3A4.18781.38FA5FD@localhost> Message-ID: <20020707080057.55263.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Tom, Being clearly understimulated, and having my attention drawn by the earlier fruitless inquiry RE the Latin phrase on your signature block, I will add the following: (1) What is the collection of punctuation marks supposed to represent? I have squinted, turned my head at dangerous angles, zoomed in & out, and still don't get it. It wouldn't be a Koni, would it?? Or, banish the thought, a practical joke on the likes of me? (2) Has anybody ever actually navigated to your house using longitude & latitude? Are they putting GPS in cell phones now?? -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 09:27:24 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:27:24 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks In-Reply-To: <20020707062057.88446.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020707062057.88446.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 11:20 pm -0700 6/7/02, Paul R. wrote: snippety sniplet >Oh, and on a Koni note: I did indeed shoot a few >frames with my maladjusted 200 up in Sequoia this >weekend (using only the 90). Unfortunately I didn't >carry it with me on an impromptu stream exploration >which turned out to be the most picturesque location >(by far) of the weekend! If I had a >compartmentalized, padded backpack that would hold the >200 body w/90mm, plus the 58/60 and maybe the 180, >plus an extra back and a bit of film & filters ... I >think I'd miss fewer shots. > >Does anybody have a specific recommendation for such a >bag? Maybe one of the Lowepro models? > >-Paul By the time you have filled your backpack it will be too heavy! If you had a bag that would take the camera with a 90mm and some film, meter, few filters - maybe a second back if you have a model that allows it - then you would be more likely to have the camera when you need it! I use a shoulder bag for an old KO Rapid that shows more brass every year but is still one of my favorite cameras. That bag was also used when travelling around on an old Norton 'cycle. Maybe I have just got used to shoulder bags over the years - they are also very convenient for whipping the camera out at opportune moments. Something that I miss when using a backpack, however well designed. The Lowepro back packs are probably la creme de la creme - if you want to save a bit of dosh and try out a backpack then you can improvise with a much less wallet challenging alternative from an outdoor store and pad to taste. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 09:35:12 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:35:12 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Tom T.'s signature In-Reply-To: <20020707080057.55263.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020707080057.55263.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 1:00 am -0700 7/7/02, Paul R. wrote: >Tom, snip >(1) What is the collection of punctuation marks >supposed to represent? I have squinted, turned my >head at dangerous angles, zoomed in & out, and still >don't get it. It wouldn't be a Koni, would it?? Or, >banish the thought, a practical joke on the likes of >me? snip Surely 'tis either a crazed biker going for the max or a Star Wars Omegaflex...... From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 17:07:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:07:42 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Tom T.'s signature In-Reply-To: References: <20020707080057.55263.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D282F0E.23856.571BC0D@localhost> Switch to Courier font & you will find a bicyclist. Tom On Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 9:35, Clive Warren wrote re "Re: [KOML] Tom T.'s signature" saying: > At 1:00 am -0700 7/7/02, Paul R. wrote: > >Tom, > snip > >(1) What is the collection of punctuation marks > >supposed to represent? I have squinted, turned my > >head at dangerous angles, zoomed in & out, and still > >don't get it. It wouldn't be a Koni, would it?? Or, > >banish the thought, a practical joke on the likes of > >me? > snip > > Surely 'tis either a crazed biker going for the max or a Star Wars > Omegaflex...... ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 17:44:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Tom T.'s signature In-Reply-To: <3D282F0E.23856.571BC0D@localhost> Message-ID: <20020707164455.20284.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> Funny, now it seems obvious! Kudos to you for the design, and to Clive for his sharper eye. I could have used him while trying to pick out constellations among the multitude of stars up in the Sequoia this weekend. -Paul --- Tom Trottier wrote: > Switch to Courier font & you will find a bicyclist. > > Tom > > On Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 9:35, Clive Warren > > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Tom T.'s signature" saying: > > > At 1:00 am -0700 7/7/02, Paul R. wrote: > > >Tom, > > snip > > >(1) What is the collection of punctuation marks > > >supposed to represent? I have squinted, turned > my > > >head at dangerous angles, zoomed in & out, and > still > > >don't get it. It wouldn't be a Koni, would it?? > Or, > > >banish the thought, a practical joke on the likes > of > > >me? > > snip > > > > Surely 'tis either a crazed biker going for the > max or a Star Wars > > Omegaflex...... > > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur > ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 18:09:35 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] backpacks & shoulder bags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020707170935.1195.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> --- Clive Warren wrote: > > By the time you have filled your backpack it will be > too heavy! > > If you had a bag that would take the camera with a > 90mm and some > film, meter, few filters - maybe a second back if > you have a model > that allows it - then you would be more likely to > have the camera > when you need it! > > > Cheers, > Clive > Clive, That's certainly a valid consideration. It's always a balancing act (figurative and literal). But I grew up with a wilderness-crazed father who regularly woke us kids up well before sunrise (uncivilized!) to drag us on backpacking trips in Washington's Cascade Range. By the time I hit adolescence I was quite accustomed to wandering about with up to 40% of my weight in freeze-dried food, sleeping bags, tents, fishing gear, etc. strapped to my back. And I've been packing heavy ever since! So until my back gives out, you're more likely to find me overprepared and overburdened. And quite willing to slip off a couple of extra straps for a rest -- er, *photo opportunity* -- at any time. In particular I know from my 35mm experience that the more lenses I can stuff in my bag, the happier I am (even if I use some of them rarely). I just hate being unprepared for that one-of-a-kind perspective shot, or wasting too much of the frame by not having a long lens. On a more universal note, I worry about the long term health impact of shoulder bags. It seems to me that the load is more evenly transmitted to (& supported by) the spine & muscles in a backpack (if worn full-on). If you're walking or standing a lot (as I do when shooting), this could come into play. As for saving some dosh, I reserve my penny-pinching for less important items -- like food, clothing & shelter! ;-) -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 18:27:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 13:27:52 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re:Just join us References: <20020707070201.76941.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D287A18.32D98E76@earthlink.net> Hi Paul & all, As rangefinder users, we get to cheat a little on the inverse-of-focal-length rule....the fact that we don`t have a mirror the size of a flyswatter slapping back & forth puts us at a distinct advantage (eat your hearts out, Mamiya RB & RZ users!), usually to the tune of about 2 stops (assuming you do your part and hold the camera steady). Robert "Paul R." wrote: > Barry, > > Please forgive the slow response. See my 1/2 > cents'-worth below. > > -Paul > > --- Barry F wrote: > > > > > 1. Do you actually use the camera grip when using > > the camera, or do you simply hand-hold the square > > camera so it's quicker to mount it on a tripod for > > vertical shots? > > I hand-hold without the grip -- assuming there's > enough light, and that I want to use a fast enough > shutter to do so. Otherwise, I mount it on the tripod > for EITHER horizontal or vertical shots. > > I have read that the inverse-of-focal-length rule > applies in 6x7 format, just as it does in 35mm. So > when using the 90mm lens, I don't hand-hold at any > speed slower than 1/125. That only gives me 3 speeds > to choose from -- which may limit my aperture (and > DOF) choices unacceptably, depending on film, > conditions & objectives. And then of course there are > the shots you can ONLY get with a slow shutter > ('blurry' waterfalls, headlight streaks, etc.) So I > prefer to have my camera tripod-ready at all times. > > > 2. Do you recommend a cable release when > > hand-holding the camera, or is your index finger > > actually ten inches long? Which way keeps the camera > > steadier? > > Unless you're using the grip and its attached cable > bracket, I find it very awkward to wrestle with a > cable while hand-holding the camera. I use my rather > long middle finger for the button release. In the US > you have to be careful who's standing to your left, > and be prepared to move (or explain) quickly. > > > 4. Do > > you need the 180 to shoot fireworks? (Although I > > did consider a career in the circus, I'd rather not > > stand right on top of the launch tube) > > LOL! > > > 5. And, by the way, what is your favorite B&W film > > for the Koni? (I know, I'll get a lot of "it > > depends.") I need to stock up for the fireworks. > > > > B&W for fireworks -- interesting. I'd never do it, > but I'm a color freak (Velvia & Provia dominate my > refrigerator). Sign of a small/simple brain, I think. > > > You can include these answers in any conversation > > that is suitable for reading by a dull person whose > > definition of "cross dressing" is getting both legs > > stuck in the same pant leg. > > LOL again! Far from dull. Write on! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 18:49:20 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 13:49:20 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks References: <20020707062057.88446.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D287F1F.351DA4F0@earthlink.net> Hi Gang, Some thoughts on backpacks and other bags: I have a Lowepro Photo Trekker AW (the AW indicates a built-in rain cover) It`s one of their medium-sized bags,(approx. 19x14x9 inches) and will hold the following: 1 K-O body/ all 4 lenses/ 2 spare backs/ 1 Sunpak 120J flash/ 1 K-O flash bracket with Rollei flash arm/ 6 Cokin filters & holder/2 cable releases/ film/ notebook/ 3x6 foot plastic sheet for those inevitable "down in the wet grass" shots.Total weight: 26 lbs. Do I really need all this stuff on every shoot? Nah, I try to minimize the amount of gear carried at any time...combined with the weight of a 9 lb. tripod, it gets to be a bit much.It`s either streamline the hardware or hire one of the local kids to carry it for me, a "domestic sherpa" if you will.I also have a couple of smaller Lowepro bags, the Nova 3 and Nova 5...good all-purpose shoulder bags, all well-made.The choices are many... Robert P.S. Clive, I also had a vintage Norton, a 750 Commando, as well as a BSA Lightning 650. Taught me about the wonders of Whitworth threads and Lucas electrics! Clive Warren wrote: > At 11:20 pm -0700 6/7/02, Paul R. wrote: > snippety sniplet > >Oh, and on a Koni note: I did indeed shoot a few > >frames with my maladjusted 200 up in Sequoia this > >weekend (using only the 90). Unfortunately I didn't > >carry it with me on an impromptu stream exploration > >which turned out to be the most picturesque location > >(by far) of the weekend! If I had a > >compartmentalized, padded backpack that would hold the > >200 body w/90mm, plus the 58/60 and maybe the 180, > >plus an extra back and a bit of film & filters ... I > >think I'd miss fewer shots. > > > >Does anybody have a specific recommendation for such a > >bag? Maybe one of the Lowepro models? > > > >-Paul > > By the time you have filled your backpack it will be too heavy! > > If you had a bag that would take the camera with a 90mm and some > film, meter, few filters - maybe a second back if you have a model > that allows it - then you would be more likely to have the camera > when you need it! > > I use a shoulder bag for an old KO Rapid that shows more brass every > year but is still one of my favorite cameras. That bag was also used > when travelling around on an old Norton 'cycle. Maybe I have just got > used to shoulder bags over the years - they are also very convenient > for whipping the camera out at opportune moments. Something that I > miss when using a backpack, however well designed. > > The Lowepro back packs are probably la creme de la creme - if you > want to save a bit of dosh and try out a backpack then you can > improvise with a much less wallet challenging alternative from an > outdoor store and pad to taste. > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 18:57:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Gabriel Regalbuto) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:57:52 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Backpack for Koni gear Message-ID: <000b01c225df$d0cc9b80$ed5a4644@crlsca.adelphia.net> Here's what I did for an extremely functional camera backpack: I took a largish backpack that zipped 3/4 down the sides and traced its outline on a $8 grey camping mat from Target. I then cut this shape out of the mat with a razor blade and layed out my camera gear on top. I found that I could place my Koni in a domed area at the top, with three extra compartments at the bottom for the two lenses and a back/spotmeter. I then took a "doorskin" plywood and cut a strip the depth of the backpack. This stuff bends easily and I measured a piece to go from one bottom corner, up the side and over and down to the other bottom corner. Then I cut a piece to go across the bottom and one for the camera compartment a bit over halfway up. I made the joints with duct tape running lengthwise and then across. In the same fashion I subdivided the lower section into three. I then fitted everything with a layer (or 2, where necessary to make it snug) of the grey camp mat. There is padding on the outside as well to cushion me, and I have since added another layer right where the bottom of the pack rides above my hips. The entire thing slips into the backpack snugly and can be removed to clean. This has worked excellently for me. I have run up and down the sand dunes in Death Valley among other things and have not given a second thought to the safety of my gear. It is light, very ridgid, and cost me about $12 and an old backback. In fact, I'm going ditch my photoflex pack and build a similar system for my EOS gear. From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 20:10:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:10:23 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Tom T.'s signature In-Reply-To: <20020707080057.55263.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D27B3A4.18781.38FA5FD@localhost> Message-ID: <3D2859DF.2214.618FC26@localhost> On Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 1:00, Paul R. wrote re "Re: [KOML] Tom T.'s signature" saying: > Tom, > > Being clearly understimulated, and having my attention drawn by the > earlier fruitless inquiry RE the Latin phrase Fruitless? A lemon, at least. > on your signature block, I will add the following: > > (1) What is the collection of punctuation marks > supposed to represent? I have squinted, turned my > head at dangerous angles, zoomed in & out, and still > don't get it. It wouldn't be a Koni, would it?? Or, > banish the thought, a practical joke on the likes of > me? Cyclical. > (2) Has anybody ever actually navigated to your house > using longitude & latitude? Are they putting GPS in > cell phones now?? No, just in wireless PDAs with email... Tom ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 20:12:50 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:12:50 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks In-Reply-To: <3D287F1F.351DA4F0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D285A72.21452.61B3C40@localhost> On Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 13:49, Nancy Brown wrote re "Re: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, bac" saying: > Hi Gang, ... > all-purpose shoulder bags, all well-made.The choices are many... > Robert > P.S. Clive, I also had a vintage Norton, a 750 Commando, as well as a > BSA Lightning 650. Taught me about the wonders of Whitworth threads and > Lucas electrics! Wonders? Wonders why they aren't working? The Norton makes a nice, self-propelled, camera carrier. Tom ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 20:14:07 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:14:07 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re:Just join us In-Reply-To: <3D287A18.32D98E76@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D285ABF.21525.61C6873@localhost> Olympus recommends holding the camera when taking a picture on a tripod, precisely to dampen vibrations. tOM On Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 13:27, Nancy Brown wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re:Just join us" saying: > Hi Paul & all, > As rangefinder users, we get to cheat a little on the > inverse-of-focal-length rule....the fact that we don`t have a mirror the > size of a flyswatter slapping back & forth puts us at a distinct > advantage (eat your hearts out, Mamiya RB & RZ users!), usually to the > tune of about 2 stops (assuming you do your part and hold the camera > steady). Robert > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 22:20:12 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:20:12 -0700 Subject: [KOML] I LOVE it! (this chatty group) Message-ID: <011b01c225fc$152c3440$45e6b1d8@evegirard> Hello, Everybody! Sure is a treat to log in and find KOML alive and well and chatty! Bless you each and every one! The discourse on back packs is fascinating. Great topic on just how do we tote our stuff about the countryside. I'll toss in my perspective 'cause you know I can't stay quiet for long! (I did get a brief whiff of testosterone here! Oh, you big strong men! Makes it tough for an old broad to concentrate! Anyway . . .) I like to travel light. I hate being burdened with gobs of gear so I have become a believer in small waist carriers. The camera is always out as is the meter. The little pack I use now holds lots of filters, film, an extra lens and a spare meter battery. Plus my ID, a couple of keys and some odds and ends of makeup. It doesn't scream "CAMERA" and is perfectly safe in an urban setting or in the woods. It goes in the front and its weight is supported correctly. If it's to be a hike, I bring along a monopod with a small ball head. I usually handcarry the K O 'cause ya can't use it if it's put away! That's my rig for roving. If I'm going to be in a static or slowly changing situation (like motor sports) then I use my old Domke Original bag. It's an incredible piece of goods that I cannot wear out. But it is also a backbreaker when full of gear. I always remember Louise Dahl-Wolfe writing about the perils of carrying heavy cameras about the neck "three worn-down vertebrae, a trip to the hospital, and traction." That was her personal toll from years of neck-straps; afterwards, all of her work had to be done from a tripod. I'm not ready for that! I won't even get into a discussion of Large Format Lugging as this isn't the list for that, but I'm sure Clive and others can smile at the thought of some of our LFL getups! I do love the idea of keeping things simple. All a matter of personal taste and style. I suppose it's been noticed that I am a bit of a history junkie. I do believe that the past reveals or influences much about our future, our style and technique. I use the Capa doctrine "if your shots aren't good enough; you're not close enough." Just an idle thought - who are our photographic heroes? Who has influenced us in our vision or style? Are we solely our own creation or are we facets of others intermingled with our individuality? I'd love to hear more! It's a rainy day in the great Northwest with the odd claps of thunder now and then. A grey, wet Washington day that I'm sure Paul remembers better than I can describe. Just a day for some reflection (and housecleaning, yechh) and a trip to the grocery store with my 84 year-old mother. Damn, am I havin' fun! She's standing behind me with her coat on, ready to go and I'm not even out of my jammies. Oh Lawd, give me patience! I'll sign on again after my ordeal is over and my nerves have settled! Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 22:46:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:46:08 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks References: <3D285A72.21452.61B3C40@localhost> Message-ID: <3D28B6A0.956D8EE0@earthlink.net> So, you owned one too? Which leads into the old joke: Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because they have Lucas refrigerators! Robert Tom Trottier wrote: > On Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 13:49, Nancy Brown > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, bac" saying: > > > Hi Gang, > ... > > all-purpose shoulder bags, all well-made.The choices are many... > > > Robert > > > P.S. Clive, I also had a vintage Norton, a 750 Commando, as well as a > > BSA Lightning 650. Taught me about the wonders of Whitworth threads and > > Lucas electrics! > > Wonders? Wonders why they aren't working? > The Norton makes a nice, self-propelled, camera carrier. > > Tom > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 7 23:00:38 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Stan McQueen) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:00:38 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks In-Reply-To: <3D28B6A0.956D8EE0@earthlink.net> References: <3D285A72.21452.61B3C40@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020707155402.00a9bdb8@mail.xmission.com> Don't forget the tee shirt that read: Lucas: Prince of Darkness At 03:46 PM 7/7/2002, Robert wrote: >So, you owned one too? Which leads into the old joke: >Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? >A: Because they have Lucas refrigerators! > >Robert > >Tom Trottier wrote: > > > On Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 13:49, Nancy Brown > > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, bac" saying: > > > > > Hi Gang, > > ... > > > all-purpose shoulder bags, all well-made.The choices are many... > > > > > Robert > > > > > P.S. Clive, I also had a vintage Norton, a 750 Commando, as well as a > > > BSA Lightning 650. Taught me about the wonders of Whitworth threads and > > > Lucas electrics! > > > > Wonders? Wonders why they aren't working? > > The Norton makes a nice, self-propelled, camera carrier. > > > > Tom > > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- > > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Laws are the spider's webs which, > > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > > but large things break through and escape. > > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > >_______________________________________________ >KOML mailing list >KOML@koni-omega.org >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml =========================== Photography by Stan McQueen http://www.smcqueen.com Also, former owner of a 1957 MGA and a 1959 Triumph TR-3. From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 00:13:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:13:13 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020707155402.00a9bdb8@mail.xmission.com> References: <3D28B6A0.956D8EE0@earthlink.net> <3D285A72.21452.61B3C40@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020707191159.02404140@pop.mindspring.com> And... The Lucas headlamp switch has three positions: Off, Dim and Flicker. Why don't they make computer in England? Can't figure out how to make them leak oil. 1973 MG Midget Owner Nawth Cacalacky At 06:00 PM 7/7/2002, you wrote: >Don't forget the tee shirt that read: >Lucas: Prince of Darkness > >At 03:46 PM 7/7/2002, Robert wrote: >>So, you owned one too? Which leads into the old joke: >>Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? >>A: Because they have Lucas refrigerators! > >Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot com >http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html >http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html > >Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 00:31:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:31:36 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks References: <3D28B6A0.956D8EE0@earthlink.net> <3D285A72.21452.61B3C40@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20020707191159.02404140@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <012701c2260e$70364e40$45e6b1d8@evegirard> Luca electrics - isn't that some sort of oxymoron? Eve ('59 Bug-eye Sprite - when it was 7 years old. My high school and graduation summer car) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Zeni" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks > And... > > The Lucas headlamp switch has three positions: Off, Dim and Flicker. > > Why don't they make computer in England? Can't figure out how to make them > leak oil. > > 1973 MG Midget Owner > Nawth Cacalacky > > At 06:00 PM 7/7/2002, you wrote: > >Don't forget the tee shirt that read: > >Lucas: Prince of Darkness > > > >At 03:46 PM 7/7/2002, Robert wrote: > >>So, you owned one too? Which leads into the old joke: > >>Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? > >>A: Because they have Lucas refrigerators! > > > >Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot com > >http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > >http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html > > > >Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 00:46:24 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:46:24 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020707155402.00a9bdb8@mail.xmission.com> References: <3D285A72.21452.61B3C40@localhost> <5.1.1.6.0.20020707155402.00a9bdb8@mail.xmission.com> Message-ID: At 4:00 pm -0600 7/7/02, Stan McQueen wrote: >Don't forget the tee shirt that read: >Lucas: Prince of Darkness snippety Don't start me off - remembering riding through dark countryside with Prince Lucas - on two memorable occasions shouting a brief expletive before ramming on the anchors as all light suddenly ceased on a winding road...... Both occasions ended (reasonably) happily. Imagine the interesting scenario of one of these occasions 25 miles from home in the middle of nowhere on a deserted country road, pitch black and only a petrol lighter for illumination. The dynamo on the 650 BSA Road Rocket was under the petrol tank...... no it didn't but the fact it could've was the wind up...... I could go on but should mention that this was before becoming aware of Koni-Omega cameras - the flash gun in the backpack would have been useful :-) Think I may have mentioned OT issues but got away with it......... Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 00:59:35 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:59:35 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks References: <3D285A72.21452.61B3C40@localhost> <5.1.1.6.0.20020707155402.00a9bdb8@mail.xmission.com> Message-ID: <016f01c22612$59706480$45e6b1d8@evegirard> My Bug-eye was a guaranteed no-starter on a wet day. Never had a lighting problem, but the driver's door did pop open if you tossed the little car into a hard hair-pin. Always fond memories of tootling down the road with the top and its broken clasps flapping in the wind. Side curtains and inside door pulls, no trunk, just a huge cavity behind the seat. I had just gotten my first Nikon F for HS graduation and lugged that and a Speed Graphic about the New England backwoods. I wasn't to discover the wonders of Rapid photography until much later. (I did it too, Clive) Eve (trying to imagine Lucas anything in the Washington wet) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Warren" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks > At 4:00 pm -0600 7/7/02, Stan McQueen wrote: > >Don't forget the tee shirt that read: > >Lucas: Prince of Darkness > snippety > > Don't start me off - remembering riding through dark countryside with > Prince Lucas - on two memorable occasions shouting a brief expletive > before ramming on the anchors as all light suddenly ceased on a > winding road...... > > Both occasions ended (reasonably) happily. Imagine the interesting > scenario of one of these occasions 25 miles from home in the middle > of nowhere on a deserted country road, pitch black and only a petrol > lighter for illumination. The dynamo on the 650 BSA Road Rocket was > under the petrol tank...... no it didn't but the fact it could've was > the wind up...... > > I could go on but should mention that this was before becoming aware > of Koni-Omega cameras - the flash gun in the backpack would have been > useful :-) Think I may have mentioned OT issues but got away with > it......... > > Cheers, > Clive > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 02:06:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jim Thomas / Debbie Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:06:47 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Small musicians, formidable women, backpacks References: <3D285A72.21452.61B3C40@localhost> <3D28B6A0.956D8EE0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D28E5A7.1CFFB403@erols.com> Nancy Brown wrote: > > So, you owned one too? Which leads into the old joke: > Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? > A: Because they have Lucas refrigerators! Arghh... Don't get me started! My old Austin Marina died a slow death from plastic fatigue in all the Lucas switches... The final kiss of death was when I placed the bumper sticker on the car with the above joke. The guy at the British parts store said I'd better not put the sticker on the car, and I guess he was right. I immediately had a cylinder go bad in the engine. In all fairness, lots of other things broke on my British Leyland gem, not just the Lucas parts... Things like flywheels, etc... Ah- memories! Jim 1974 Austin Marina From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 02:18:22 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:18:22 -0400 Subject: [KOML] I LOVE it! (this chatty group) References: <011b01c225fc$152c3440$45e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D28E85E.63EECB7B@earthlink.net> Good evening, group, To answer Eve`s question of who are our photographic heroes: Growing up in NYC, my first photographic influence was Arthur Fellig, aka Weegee.He photographed New York like no one else had ever done, capturing the essence of the city perfectly.Weegee was the quintessential New Yorker, a cultural chameleon who could blend in with Park Avenue society or Bowery bums with equal ease. And then there`s Annie Liebowitz, a photographer whose larger-than-life status is well deserved, with a body of work so phenominal that it almost defies description....after 30 years, her stuff still knocks me out!!! These are the strongest influences that have driven my pursuit of this craft.... Robert Eve Girard wrote: > Hello, Everybody! > > Sure is a treat to log in and find KOML alive and well and chatty! > Bless you each and every one! > The discourse on back packs is fascinating. Great topic on just how do > we tote our stuff about the countryside. I'll toss in my perspective 'cause > you know I can't stay quiet for long! > (I did get a brief whiff of testosterone here! Oh, you big strong men! > Makes it tough for an old broad to concentrate! Anyway . . .) > I like to travel light. I hate being burdened with gobs of gear so I > have become a believer in > small waist carriers. The camera is always out as is the meter. The little > pack I use now holds lots of filters, film, an extra lens and a spare meter > battery. Plus my ID, a couple of keys and some odds and ends of makeup. It > doesn't scream "CAMERA" and is perfectly safe in an urban setting or in the > woods. It goes in the front and its weight is supported correctly. If it's > to be a hike, I bring along a monopod with a small ball head. I usually > handcarry the K O 'cause ya can't use it if it's put away! > That's my rig for roving. If I'm going to be in a static or slowly > changing situation (like motor sports) then I use my old Domke Original bag. > It's an incredible piece of goods that I cannot wear out. But it is also a > backbreaker when full of gear. I always remember Louise Dahl-Wolfe writing > about the perils of carrying heavy cameras about the neck "three worn-down > vertebrae, a trip to the hospital, and traction." That was her personal > toll from years of neck-straps; afterwards, all of her work had to be done > from a tripod. I'm not ready for that! > I won't even get into a discussion of Large Format Lugging as this isn't > the list for that, but I'm sure Clive and others can smile at the thought of > some of our LFL getups! > I do love the idea of keeping things simple. All a matter of personal > taste and style. I suppose it's been noticed that I am a bit of a history > junkie. I do believe that the past reveals or influences much about our > future, our style and technique. I use the Capa doctrine "if your shots > aren't good enough; you're not close enough." > Just an idle thought - who are our photographic heroes? Who has > influenced us in our vision or style? Are we solely our own creation or are > we facets of others intermingled with our individuality? > I'd love to hear more! > It's a rainy day in the great Northwest with the odd claps of thunder > now and then. A grey, wet Washington day that I'm sure Paul remembers > better than I can describe. Just a day for some reflection (and > housecleaning, yechh) and a trip to the grocery store with my 84 year-old > mother. Damn, am I havin' fun! She's standing behind me with her coat on, > ready to go and I'm not even out of my jammies. Oh Lawd, give me patience! > I'll sign on again after my ordeal is over and my nerves have settled! > Eve > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 04:18:28 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:18:28 -0700 Subject: [KOML] I LOVE it! (this chatty group) References: <011b01c225fc$152c3440$45e6b1d8@evegirard> <3D28E85E.63EECB7B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <026f01c2262e$21b42380$45e6b1d8@evegirard> I am intrigued by Robert's answers to my query re photographic heroes/influences. It wasn't what I expected, to say the least, but I loved Robert's choices! Weegee the Famous and Annie L. Wow! I've seen a couple of Weegee shows and have always loved his work. People seem to put too much emphasis on who he was rather than on his art. Annie Liebowitz is so innovative and creative. So we have a street/news shooter vs a studio artist. Interesting contrasts. I posed my question without contributing a mention of my own favorites. My list is too long, perhaps, so I'll just toss out some favorites. Robert Capa is always a hero to me. Guess he just had that "X" factor. His photos of children are stunning - ever see them? There was more to him than war shots. How about John Batchelor or Henry Manney? They were staffers for "Road & Track" magazine in the '60's. Manney was a brilliant reporter to boot. Whilst not Gods of Photography, they were heroes to me, giving a gangly Vermont girl a direction in her life. Joseph Sudek is superb - a one-armed Large format artist - who proved again that beauty can often lie in your immediate surroundings. Dorothea Lange and the artists of the WPA. Imogen Cunningham. Period. Michael A. Smith is a current hero (current as in alive). An artist with giant cameras. Burrows, LeRoy, Adams, Ut, and all of the professional Vietnam War photographers. The scores of nameless, soldiers/sailors/marines/airmen who were military cameramen during any of our wars or conflicts. Richard Avedon - don't know why, but there's that "look" that attracts and repels at the same time. I hope you'll forgive the lack of links to any of the above, but we all have search engines. Part of discovery is the hunt. I've noticed that this list of mine is oriented in a very journalistic nature. Makes sense to me as that has always been my forte, my first love. If this thread continues, my artisitic favorites will surface, I'm sure. Eve > Good evening, group, > To answer Eve`s question of who are our photographic heroes: Growing up in NYC, > my first photographic influence was Arthur Fellig, aka Weegee.He photographed > New York like no one else had ever done, capturing the essence of the city > perfectly.Weegee was the quintessential New Yorker, a cultural chameleon who > could blend in with Park Avenue society or Bowery bums with equal ease. > And then there`s Annie Liebowitz, a photographer whose larger-than-life status > is well deserved, with a body of work so phenominal that it almost defies > description....after 30 years, her stuff still knocks me out!!! > These are the strongest influences that have driven my pursuit of this craft.... > > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 05:02:49 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:02:49 -0400 Subject: [KOML] I LOVE it! (this chatty group) In-Reply-To: <011b01c225fc$152c3440$45e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D28D6A9.25960.80074A3@localhost> On Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 14:20, Eve Girard wrote re "[KOML] I LOVE it! (this chatty group)" saying: > Just an idle thought - who are our photographic heroes? Who has > influenced us in our vision or style? Are we solely our own creation or > are we facets of others intermingled with our individuality? I'd love to > hear more! Robert Capa, Yousuf Karsh (for whom I worked a year), Edward Weston, Ansel Adams, Richard Kauffman, William Eugene Smith. I like portraiture and nature. Tom ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 08:01:22 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Backpack for Koni gear In-Reply-To: <000b01c225df$d0cc9b80$ed5a4644@crlsca.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20020708070122.52737.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Gabe, Kudos for your ingenuity! Sounds like a great DIY solution, and fun to boot. Thanks also to Robert for the good specifics on the larger Lowepro bag. Two great options, I'm glad I asked! Thanks also to Eve and Clive for your thoughts. I could learn something from each of you about simplification & traveling light. Regards, -Paul --- Gabriel Regalbuto wrote: > Here's what I did for an extremely functional camera > backpack: > > I took a largish backpack that zipped 3/4 down the > sides and traced its > outline on a $8 grey camping mat from Target. I > then cut this shape out of > the mat with a razor blade and layed out my camera > gear on top. I found > that I could place my Koni in a domed area at the > top, with three extra > compartments at the bottom for the two lenses and a > back/spotmeter. > > I then took a "doorskin" plywood and cut a strip the > depth of the backpack. > This stuff bends easily and I measured a piece to go > from one bottom corner, > up the side and over and down to the other bottom > corner. Then I cut a > piece to go across the bottom and one for the camera > compartment a bit over > halfway up. I made the joints with duct tape > running lengthwise and then > across. In the same fashion I subdivided the lower > section into three. > > I then fitted everything with a layer (or 2, where > necessary to make it > snug) of the grey camp mat. There is padding on the > outside as well to > cushion me, and I have since added another layer > right where the bottom of > the pack rides above my hips. The entire thing > slips into the backpack > snugly and can be removed to clean. > > This has worked excellently for me. I have run up > and down the sand dunes > in Death Valley among other things and have not > given a second thought to > the safety of my gear. It is light, very ridgid, > and cost me about $12 and > an old backback. In fact, I'm going ditch my > photoflex pack and build a > similar system for my EOS gear. > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 08:04:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re:Just join us In-Reply-To: <3D287A18.32D98E76@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020708070418.91977.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> --- Nancy Brown wrote: > Hi Paul & all, > As rangefinder users, we get to cheat a little on > the > inverse-of-focal-length rule....the fact that we > don`t have a mirror the > size of a flyswatter slapping back & forth puts us > at a distinct > advantage (eat your hearts out, Mamiya RB & RZ > users!), usually to the > tune of about 2 stops (assuming you do your part and > hold the camera > steady). > Robert > Wow, I just gained 2 hand-holding stops! That makes my day. I realized after the fact that I probably went a bit astray in answering Barry's question, but I'm glad I did. Thanks Robert! -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 17:19:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Stan McQueen) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:19:33 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: Magnetic Media and X-Rays Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708090112.00adf7c0@127.0.0.1> At 05:18 PM 7/3/2002, Eric Goldstein wrote: >"Stan McQueen" wrote: > > > You may have learned this when you were a high school student, but when I > > was a physics grad student, I learned that ... > >Stan - suggest you take it up with Kodak, Compaq, IBM, 3M, Ampex, and other >major manufacturers who disagree with your grad student physics; have a >feeling they may have a few physics grad students of their own ;-). > >To answer your other point regarding safety, x-rays are highly directional >and so can be aimed and machines shielded so that those in proximity will >not be dosed... > >And magnetic media can be effected by motors in machinery btw given either a >large motor or close proximity or some combination of each... I know someone >who clocked their pda by standing not all that close to an unshielded >loudspeaker... > >Sorry to put the rest of the list to sleep... moving on now... > > >Eric Goldstein Apologies for the delay in responding; this email was on my computer at work and I just got back from a very relaxing four-day weekend. You're right, of course, Kodak and the others do have grad students and amazingly enough, they agree with me. Kodak, for example, (see http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/tib/tib5201.shtml), states that "X rays from airport scanners don't affect digital camera images or film that has already been processed, i.e. film from which you have received prints, slides, KODAK PHOTO CD Discs, or KODAK PICTURE CD Discs." And also, "X-ray equipment used to inspect carry-on baggage uses a very low level of x-radiation that will not cause noticeable damage to your film. However, baggage that is checked (loaded on the planes as cargo) sometimes goes through equipment with higher energy X rays." InVision Technologies, the company that makes the CTX scanner for checked baggage, states "CTX systems, however, will not damage developed or printed films, nor will they affect magnetic media or computers." (see http://www.invision-tech.com/products/film.htm) The American Society of Media Photographers (ASMP) advises "the x-ray machines used for carry-on items still are relatively safe for film, provided the film does not pass through them many times." (reprinted by permission at http://www.blackrabbit.com/xray.htm) The International Imaging Industry Association says, "X-ray scanning at security checkpoints in the United States will not cause damage to unprocessed film rated at speeds below ISO 1000," and "Unloaded film cameras and digital cameras do not need to be hand inspected and may be packed in checked baggage." (http://www.i3a.org/new_pr_12_03_01.html) FujiFilm Computer Products (http://www.fujifilmmediasource.com/specs/new/misc/stray05.pdf) states that: "A permanent magnet can cause instantaneous erasure of data from magnetic media. ... Maintaining a distance of 3-inches from any potential magnetic field source is a certain and easily applied method of protecting magnetic media from any threat of erasure. ... It is theoretically impossible for X-rays to erase magnetic media because X-rays are non-magnetic! It is safe to permit X-ray examination of all magnetic media (recorded and unrecorded). Furthermore the National Bureau of Standards (NBS) [now National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)] conducted experiments to test this theory. Various recorded media were tested in the NBS Radiation Physics Laboratory. Magnetic media were subjected to extremely high (lethal) X-ray doses without any loss of data. Recorded media were also subjected to normal airport X-ray inspections -- without any loss of data." Unfortunately, I was unable to find a reference to this research at NIST, or I would cite it here. Searching the NIST website for "magnetic media" and "x-ray" yielded over 5000 hits and I didn't take the time to wade through all of them. PCGuide.com states (at http://www.pcguide.com/care/care/mediaAirport-c.html) that: "One of the great myths about computer media, such as floppy disks and tapes, and even hard disks and portable computers, is that they will be damaged if put through the X-ray detecting hardware at airports. This is, in fact, not true. Not only will these machines not erase or damage magnetic media, they are in many ways the best place for your floppy disks to be as you pass through the airport security checkpoint. (Seriously... read below.) "The reason that these machines pose no threat to your disks is that X-rays are not magnetic. They are a form of electromagnetic energy, and perhaps it is this name that causes the confusion. Guess what electromagnetic energy is? Light. X-rays are just light waves of a specific wavelength, much like visible light, infrared (radiated heat), microwaves and radio waves. While some of these energy forms can damage media through heating (if exposed to strong enough sources, like the sun on a hot day), none affect magnetic fields. And they are present in much lower energy levels than those required to generate damaging heat. "Quite ironically, those who avoid putting floppy disks through X-ray machines may be inadvertently risking them with exposure to another device that can affect magnetic media, and which is right at the same security checkpoint--the metal detector! One of the properties of metal objects is that they distort the shape of a magnetic field when they pass through it. Metal detectors work by establishing a weak magnetic field and then monitoring disruptions caused by metal objects. These are real magnetic fields and can in theory damage the data on a floppy disk (although it probably would take bad luck or multiple exposures, I am not sure of this.) "By passing the disks through the X-ray machine, you provide the safest route past the metal detectors. If you ask for a hand inspection (or worse, carry the disks through the detector with you) you may be creating the very risk you are trying to avoid." Sony (http://www.sonyusacinealta.com/article/mainv/0,7220,30355,00.html) says, in a question asking what precautions should be taken when bringing HDCAM tape through airport scanners, "As with any magnetic media, at any time, efforts should be taken to avoid strong magnetic fields. X-ray scanners will not harm the magnetic tape or the recording." HP, by the way, has some contradictory information stating that CompactFlash memory cards "may be sensitive to x-ray security machines and some metal detection devices." (See http://www.hp.com/cposupport/pc_photography/support_doc/bpy00498.html). CompactFlash memory is, of course, solid-state memory, not magnetic. But if it truly is sensitive to x-rays, that could also have implications for portable/laptop/palmtop computers and digital camers. My experience (see below) is that it is not sensitive. I suspect that HP is just being conservative. The overwhelming evidence is that, as I said, 1. Magnetic media is not sensitive to electromagnetic radiation, including x-rays, and 2. X-ray scanners for carry on baggage do not normally pose a risk to slow speed film. If you want to be very careful, you can ask for a hand check of your film or media. But do it because you're being conservative, not because of some spurious high-school physics theory. However, note that one reference above suggests that asking for a hand check of magnetic media or carrying it through the metal detector may be worse than passing it through the x-ray. My experience has been that you won't get through the metal detector with a floppy disk in your pocket. I once made three trips through the detector before the hand scanner revealed that I had a floppy disk in my pocket (which I had forgotten about). There was no loss of data on the disk, in spite of being passed through the metal detector three times and then being hand scanned with the metal detector wand. By the way, grad school for me was 30 years ago, but two Masters degrees (Physics and Computer Science), later and a fair amount of air travel through the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, and Australia carrying (at various times) 9-track mag tape, film (both visible and infrared), floppy disks, portable/laptop/palmtop computers, and digital cameras with spare CompactFlash cards, I have yet to lose as much as a single bit of data or image. I do ask for hand checks when carrying film over 400 speed. (I actually got a hand check at Paris DeGaulle Airport by insisting that the 3200 speed film I had was too sensitive to be put through the scanner. Amazingly, the security guard agreed, after consulting with his supervisor. Of course, that was pre-9/11.) Stan ======================= Photography by Stan McQueen http:/www.smcqueen.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 17:54:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:54:33 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708090112.00adf7c0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Stan McQueen wrote: > You're right, of course, Kodak and the others do have grad students and > amazingly enough, they agree with me. Stan - This never works with my wife but I'll give it a try anyway... "YOU"RE RIGHT." Ok? (Knock up side the head expected and deserved ) Here's the reality I work with... I've been a Creative Director for 20+ years... worked with hundreds of photographers and film-makers... To a person, every photographer or DP I know (many are the top in their field and have personal relationships with those responsible for tech/product support with all the major film/imaging suppliers) will not let their undeveloped film or magnetic media be x-rayed. Period. I have been through countless airport security gates with these crews, and they call ahead to pre-arrange hand inspection and insist upon it... Part of the problem is the tremendous variability in the levels of x-rays which come out of airport security machines, particularly post 9-11. If you look carefully and not selectively at Kodak's web site, you will see what I'm referring to... The physics is undeniable.. we could argue the magnitude of the effect till everyone on the list unsubscribes... I don't understand the logic of why anyone would take the chance of x-raying these materials when there's a safe alternative but hey, guess that's why there's Chocolate AND Vanilla... Cheers, Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 18:54:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Stan McQueen) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:54:19 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708090112.00adf7c0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708114310.00a6eaf8@127.0.0.1> At 10:54 AM 7/8/2002, Eric Goldstein wrote: >If you look carefully and not selectively >at Kodak's web site, you will see what I'm referring to... If you could provide me with some links, then I could check these for myself. The only other information I found at Kodak was about movie film and anti-anthrax scanning of film contained in US mail (which is completely unrelated to x-rays). >I don't understand the logic of why anyone would take the chance of x-raying >these materials when there's a safe alternative but hey, guess that's why >there's Chocolate AND Vanilla... As I said, if you want to be conservative, ask for hand checks. I usually do, myself. My preference would be never to pass anything through either the x-ray or the magnetometer. But there's bad news and good news. The bad news is that, following 9/11, hand checks are frequently being refused (whether legally or not) and that, outside the US, hand checks may not be performed at all and those who ask for them may be looked upon suspiciously. (That's why I was so amazed that I got my film hand checked in Paris.) The good news is that, if you can't get a hand check, physics is on your side, especially with magnetic materials, computers, and slow speed film. BUT NEVER, EVER, PUT UNPROCESSED FILM IN CHECKED BAGGAGE! Stan ================================ Photography by Stan McQueen http://www.smcqueen.com From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 22:54:17 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:54:17 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708090112.00adf7c0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <3D29D1C9.28959.52EAD9@localhost> On Monday, July 08, 2002 at 10:19, Stan McQueen wrote re "[KOML] Re: Magnetic Media and X-Rays" saying: ... > The International Imaging Industry Association says, "X-ray scanning > at security checkpoints in the United States will not cause damage to > unprocessed film rated at speeds below ISO 1000," and "Unloaded film > cameras and digital cameras do not need to be hand inspected and may > be packed in checked baggage." > (http://www.i3a.org/new_pr_12_03_01.html) On the same page they say "However, as a result of heightened security, some passengers may be randomly selected to submit their carry-on items to a high-intensity scan apart from general security checkpoints. In these instances, to eliminate damage to unprocessed film and single-use cameras, passengers are advised to request hand inspections when passing through security checkpoints employing high-intensity x-ray scanners. ... Tests conducted on film using high-intensity x-ray scanners resulted in damaging streaks and unwanted fogging of all speeds of film. Higher speeds of film showed greater damage than films with slower speeds. High-intensity x-ray machines now in use at many US airports for checked luggage will damage all unprocessed film. Under no circumstances should unexposed or unprocessed film or single- use cameras be packed in checked baggage. Unloaded film cameras and digital cameras do not need to be hand inspected and may be packed in checked baggage. Travelers are advised to be wary of all scanners at airports outside the United States. When traveling internationally, I3A suggests travelers request hand inspection of film and single-use cameras. I3A recommends travelers consider the following guidelines when traveling with film products: Donot transport unprocessed film in your checked baggage; Stowfilm and cameras containing film in clear plastic, or mesh bags in carry-on luggage; Requesthand searches of film and film products when subjected to multiple X-ray examinations. " I agree that X-rays do not pose a danger to magnetic media, but they will add increments of exposure to _all_ the undeveloped film that passes through them. And some machines can be bumped up to more dangerous (to film) powers if the attendant spots something of interest. You have the right of hand inspection in the US - such a notification is required to be posted nearby, or they can't legally use the X-ray machine. Good luck at other airports with more primitive (stronger) machines. Tom FAA xray rules: 14 CFR Aeronautics and Space CHAPTER I FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SUBCHAPTER F -- AIR TRAFFIC AND GENERAL OPERATING RULES PART 108 -- AIRCRAFT OPERATOR SECURITY =A7108.209 Use of X-ray systems. (e) No aircraft operator may use any X-ray system to inspect accessible property or checked baggage unless a sign is posted in a conspicuous place at the screening checkpoint or where checked baggage is accepted which notifies individuals that such items are being inspected by an X- ray and advises them to remove all X-ray, scientific, and high-speed film from accessible property and checked baggage before inspection. This sign shall also advise individuals that they may request that an inspection be made of their photographic equipment and film packages without exposure to an X-ray system. If the X-ray system exposes any accessible property or checked baggage to more than one milliroentgen during the inspection, the aircraft operator shall post a sign that advises individuals to remove film of all kinds from their articles before inspection. If requested by individuals, their photographic equipment and film packages shall be inspected without exposure to an X- ray system. =A7108.211 Use of explosives detection systems. (b) No aircraft operator may use an explosives detection system that uses X-ray technology to inspect checked baggage unless a sign is posted in a conspicuous place where checked baggage is accepted, which notifies individuals that such items are being inspected by an explosives detection system and advises them to remove all X-ray, scientific, and high-speed film from checked baggage before inspection. This sign shall also advise individuals that they may request that an inspection be made of their photographic equipment and film packages without exposure to an explosives detection system. If the explosives detection system exposes any checked baggage to more than one milliroentgen during the inspection the aircraft operator shall post a sign which advises individuals to remove film of all kinds from their articles before inspection. If requested by individuals, their photographic equipment and film packages shall be inspected without exposure to an explosives detection system. ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 8 23:54:02 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Stan McQueen) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:54:02 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Re: Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: <3D29D1C9.28959.52EAD9@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708090112.00adf7c0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708162535.00a6ee80@127.0.0.1> At 03:54 PM 7/8/2002, Tom Trottier wrote: >On Monday, July 08, 2002 at 10:19, Stan McQueen >wrote re "[KOML] Re: Magnetic Media and X-Rays" saying: >... > > The International Imaging Industry Association says, "X-ray scanning > > at security checkpoints in the United States will not cause damage to > > unprocessed film rated at speeds below ISO 1000," and "Unloaded film > > cameras and digital cameras do not need to be hand inspected and may > > be packed in checked baggage." > > (http://www.i3a.org/new_pr_12_03_01.html) > >On the same page they say > "However, as a result of heightened security, some passengers may be > randomly selected to submit their carry-on items to a high-intensity > scan apart from general security checkpoints. In these instances, to > eliminate damage to unprocessed film and single-use cameras, passengers > are advised to request hand inspections when passing through security > checkpoints employing high-intensity x-ray scanners. > ... > Tests conducted on film using high-intensity x-ray scanners resulted in > damaging streaks and unwanted fogging of all speeds of film. Higher > speeds of film showed greater damage than films with slower speeds. > High-intensity x-ray machines now in use at many US airports for > checked luggage will damage all unprocessed film. > > Under no circumstances should unexposed or unprocessed film or single- > use cameras be packed in checked baggage. Unloaded film cameras and > digital cameras do not need to be hand inspected and may be packed in > checked baggage. Travelers are advised to be wary of all scanners at > airports outside the United States. When traveling internationally, I3A > suggests travelers request hand inspection of film and single-use > cameras. > > I3A recommends travelers consider the following guidelines when > traveling with film products: >Donot transport unprocessed film in your checked baggage; >Stowfilm and cameras containing film in clear plastic, or mesh bags in > carry-on luggage; >Requesthand searches of film and film products when subjected to > multiple X-ray examinations. " > >I agree that X-rays do not pose a danger to magnetic media, but they >will add increments of exposure to _all_ the undeveloped film that >passes through them. And some machines can be bumped up to more >dangerous (to film) powers if the attendant spots something of >interest. > >You have the right of hand inspection in the US - such a notification >is required to be posted nearby, or they can't legally use the X-ray >machine. > >Good luck at other airports with more primitive (stronger) machines. > >Tom As I mentioned, unprocessed film should never be placed in checked baggage. This includes cameras containing film and single-use cameras. What I didn't go on to mention, but which your amplification should make clear to everyone, is that, if you are picked for a random scan, that scan will use the same scanner that is used for checked baggage, so if you have any film in your carryon baggage, take it out. I have been "randomly" selected in 3 out of the past 4 flights I have taken (maybe I just look suspicious, I don't know). In every case, the scanner operators/attendants gave very specific instructions that I should take any film out and that they would be happy to hand inspect it. X-ray exposure is cumulative, as you say, and will have the effect of increasing the base fog. Once, twice, ..., six times may not hurt, but sooner or later it will become visible and detrimental. If I happen to have film that gets scanned more than 3 or 4 times, I generally discard it without using it. I haven't bothered gathering evidence for this practice, I just try to err on the safe side. There have been several threads on other lists that I am on that discussed whether operators could actually increase the x-ray intensity or if they could only increase the intensity of their display. Several people, who claimed to be technicians on the machines, said that the x-ray intensity could only be increased by opening a panel and fiddling (the technical term) with the interior controls and that operators were not trained to do this. Others disputed the issue. It is documented, by the manufacturer, that the CTX scanner, used for checked baggage and also for randomly-selected passengers, is capable of and designed to increase the intensity and change the scanning pattern to identify suspicious packages. This will generally defeat lead-lined bags sold to make film safe from x-rays. Also, placing film in carryon baggage inside a lead-lined bag will generally earn you the right to have your bags hand searched ("dump searched" is the term) while you are removing your shoes and being frisked. (That's still not as bad as the search I got on a flight from Glasgow to Belfast in the early Eighties. Not only did I get a body search and a dump search, but they confiscated my laundry detergent and tasted my toothpaste. You are correct about the legal right to a hand inspection in the US. However, I have heard from several photographers who have been denied this right. I suspect that usually happens during periods of heightened threat, but I don't know for sure. The regulation you cite refers to "high-speed" film, but the term is not defined there. Do you know whether it is defined elsewhere in the regulation or if it is left up to the airport? Having a few rolls of 3200 speed film in my ziploc bag was what earned me the hand inspection in Paris. However, the alternative of hand inspection isn't very attractive to those of us who frequently travel with Kodak High Speed Infrared film, since the plastic container can only be opened in absolute darkness. I just let it go through the scanner and cross my fingers. So far, so good. And how would I have them hand inspect my box of 4x5 Tri-X, for example? Hand inspections really only work with conventional 35mm and medium format film. Stan ================================ Photography by Stan McQueen http://www.smcqueen.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 01:51:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:51:47 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Magnetic Media and X-Rays In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708162535.00a6ee80@127.0.0.1> References: <3D29D1C9.28959.52EAD9@localhost> Message-ID: <3D29FB63.32206.F56B4B@localhost> On Monday, July 08, 2002 at 16:54, Stan McQueen wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Magnetic Media and X-Rays" saying: /// > >I agree that X-rays do not pose a danger to magnetic media, but they > >will add increments of exposure to _all_ the undeveloped film that > >passes through them. And some machines can be bumped up to more > >dangerous (to film) powers if the attendant spots something of > >interest. > > > >You have the right of hand inspection in the US - such a notification > >is required to be posted nearby, or they can't legally use the X-ray > >machine. > > > >Good luck at other airports with more primitive (stronger) machines. > > > >Tom ... > I have been "randomly" selected in 3 out of the past 4 flights I have > taken (maybe I just look suspicious, I don't know). I think the security guards prefer docile non-photographers. > There have been several threads on other lists that I am on that > discussed whether operators could actually increase the x-ray intensity > or if they could only increase the intensity of their display. Several > people, who claimed to be technicians on the machines, said that the > x-ray intensity could only be increased by opening a panel and fiddling > (the technical term) with the interior controls and that operators were > not trained to do this. Others disputed the issue. It's vague in my mind, but I recall reading that *some* machines could rescan using increased intensity. > (That's still not as bad as the search I got on a flight from Glasgow > to Belfast in the early Eighties. Not only did I get a body search > and a dump search, but they confiscated my laundry detergent and > tasted my toothpaste. "Dump search" has a somewhat dirty connotation in Canada.... You must fit some profile or other. > You are correct about the legal right to a hand inspection in the US. > However, I have heard from several photographers who have been denied > this right. I suspect that usually happens during periods of heightened > threat, but I don't know for sure. The regulation you cite refers to > "high-speed" film, but the term is not defined there. The reg doesn't require that you must have these items to request a hand search. Such a request has to be honoured even if your film is Kodak 2369. > Do you know whether it is defined elsewhere in the regulation or if > it is left up to the airport? Having a few rolls of 3200 speed film > in my ziploc bag was what earned me the hand inspection in Paris. Sounds like a good strategy. You could use it for years.... > However, the alternative of hand inspection isn't very attractive to > those of us who frequently travel with Kodak High Speed Infrared > film, since the plastic container can only be opened in absolute > darkness. I just let it go through the scanner and cross my fingers. > So far, so good. And how would I have them hand inspect my box of 4x5 > Tri-X, for example? Hand inspections really only work with > conventional 35mm and medium format film. You could always bring a change bag and warn them they'd ruin the film if they didn't use it. Mention your friend in high places...and pray. Tom ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 06:48:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:48:33 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Heroes Message-ID: <019301c2270c$43dddee0$05e6b1d8@evegirard> I can't sleep a note tonight - too tired. I can't believe than a gabby and opinionated group such as this would pass up a chance to expound on their personally inspirational artists! I realize that I should have set the parameters to go beyond "yourself." Tom reveals that he was an employee of Karsch. No one comments. Wow. Ok, it's a Monday and all that but . . . With my last post I listed the contributors to my own roots. (first impressions, etc). There are some additions that came with my own growth. When I was beginning I was in a hurry as befits the young. Eventually I came to the road that had Wildcat Hill and Mr. Weston on it. My world changed and I began to learn and to appreciate simplicity and craft. Fred Picker (recently departed) certainly had a lot to say and I tried to listen. Walker Evans touched me and I collect Mom and Pop Grocery stores as a result. I won't go on and on to the point of boring us all. I was just wondering who helped us learn to see? Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 07:34:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Gabriel Regalbuto) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:34:43 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: photo heroes Message-ID: <002f01c22712$b64a1c40$ed5a4644@crlsca.adelphia.net> As with everyone here I've got too many heroes to mention them all, so I'll stick with my latest. I have long been a fan of Edward Weston but recently I picked up a book of his son Brett's photography. I didn't expect much but I figured I would just take a peek, in EW's daybooks he does speak glowingly of Brett's photos after all. I was completely floored. Much of his work is very two dimensional. My personal take is that when a photographer achieves a truly two dimensional image it carries a greater impact through the weight of the two dimensional media it sits upon. Illustrative of Brett's style is an anecdote in the the book I have that tells of Brett and Ansel setting up in the Sierra. Ansel pointing his camera out to the magnificent vista and turning around to see Brett with his 11x14, bellows fully drawn out, composing the pine needles at his feet. From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 09:24:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Heroes In-Reply-To: <019301c2270c$43dddee0$05e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020709082452.40415.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Hello insomniacs & early risers, I am embarrassed to admit that I recognize fewer than half the names mentioned on this topic! The truth is that I am quite ignorant about the Great Ones, and cannot cite _anyone_ as a primary influence. In part this is because I am still a baby photographer, having gotten my first 'real' camera (i.e., not P&S) only about 2-1/2 years ago. My focus is still on learning the craft, and what 'style' I exhibit (and I hope there IS some!) is largely innate. Besides inexperience, another factor is that I LIKE feeling my own way in creative pursuits. I do LOOK at photographs and think about the maker's intent, point of view, and technique. In doing so, I suppose I've applied analytical skills picked up in art history (mostly painting & sculpture) classes. And I have learned and borrowed. But I haven't bothered to immerse myself in anyone's body of work, or to consciously emulate anyone. If I knew why, I could also explain why I never read owner's manuals! Simple laziness, probably. Or the joy of hands-on, DIY discovery. (There's a certain pleasure in reinventing the wheel -- especially if I don't know it's been done before!) Still, I have printed out your various lists, and will have my eye out for the work (and methods) of these inspiring masters. This photography thing is looking like a lifelong bug, so there may be hope for me yet. Regards, -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > I can't sleep a note tonight - too tired. I > can't believe than a gabby > and opinionated group such as this would pass up a > chance to expound on > their personally inspirational artists! I realize > that I should have set > the parameters to go beyond "yourself." > Tom reveals that he was an employee of Karsch. > No one comments. Wow. > Ok, it's a Monday and all that but . . . > With my last post I listed the contributors to > my own roots. (first > impressions, etc). There are some additions that > came with my own growth. > When I was beginning I was in a hurry as befits > the young. Eventually I > came to the road that had Wildcat Hill and Mr. > Weston on it. My world > changed and I began to learn and to appreciate > simplicity and craft. Fred > Picker (recently departed) certainly had a lot to > say and I tried to listen. > Walker Evans touched me and I collect Mom and Pop > Grocery stores as a > result. > I won't go on and on to the point of boring us > all. I was just > wondering who helped us learn to see? > Eve > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 20:11:35 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:11:35 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Dang Nab It! Message-ID: I went for a little drive last Saturday. About an hour out of town I saw a pretty field just packed full of blue flowers (not bluebonnets) and some old farm equipment..... I grabbed my Koni bag....opened it up....pulled out the camera.....had the various lenses, meter, film and stuff....BUT NO FREAKIN' FILM BACK!!!!!!!! (then I remembered them all nicely lined up on the shelf at home!! So, I shot with my Nikon 990. ...it was bad lighting anyhow....mid day! (sigh) Barbara From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 20:12:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:12:41 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Dang Nab It! References: Message-ID: <001001c2277c$99abdb40$3de6b1d8@evegirard> Barbara, Reminds me very much of the time I spent quite a while getting ready for a large format shoot, loading holders, cleaning things up, etc. Got to the site and found I'd left the lenses in their case on the old kitchen table. It's good to be blonde, but there also is a penalty . . . Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" To: "KOML mailing list (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: [KOML] Dang Nab It! > I went for a little drive last Saturday. About an hour out of town I saw a > pretty field just packed full of blue flowers (not bluebonnets) and some old > farm equipment..... I grabbed my Koni bag....opened it up....pulled out the > camera.....had the various lenses, meter, film and stuff....BUT NO FREAKIN' > FILM BACK!!!!!!!! (then I remembered them all nicely lined up on the shelf > at home!! > > So, I shot with my Nikon 990. > > ...it was bad lighting anyhow....mid day! > > (sigh) > > Barbara > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 20:57:05 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:57:05 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Dang Nab It! In-Reply-To: <001001c2277c$99abdb40$3de6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: "Eve Girard" wrote: > Barbara, > Reminds me very much of the time I spent quite a while getting ready for > a large format shoot, loading holders, cleaning things up, etc. > Got to the site and found I'd left the lenses in their case on the old > kitchen table. It's good to be blonde, but there also is a penalty . . . > Eve Was near Tournon, France a couple of weeks ago and saw THE MOST BEAUTIFUL shot of an old beat deserted auto mechanic's shop with a beat up old bicycle in front on the grayest flatest day you can imagine... It was more perfect than I ever could have imagined and had a Konica AUTO S2 loaded and ready with Delta 100 by my side but nothing I could do... we could not afford to stop because we were so late to catch our flight out of Paris (which we made by a matter of moments)...... Will see that shot in my mind for years to come... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 21:57:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:57:21 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Heroes References: <20020709082452.40415.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003a01c2278b$38d33b60$3de6b1d8@evegirard> Paul R. sez: > But I haven't bothered to > immerse myself in anyone's body of work, or to > consciously emulate anyone. It's not so much an emulation as it is finding a kindred spirit. Each of the "Great Ones" are their own person, unique and solitary. I'm not about to traipse Yosemite looking for Ansel's tripod holes. Salgado's work is marvellous but I'm not about to try it for myself. Exploring history is second nature to me thus extending into an exploration of what has gone past in our camera worlds. I find it helpful to see in a new way when the rut deepens and the ends of it shorten (thus forming a grave for ideas). But when it's cold and wet with short NW days in the winter what harm is there in a contemplative study of other people's work? Seeing a classic master's print in an exhibition helps make one a better darkroom craftsperson. Reading the footnotes may solve an equipment prolem of your own. There may be a new kink for filtration or a developer formulation or just whatever. So I look at history as an education rather than an emulation. I know I'm good at what I do and need no validification for it. My vision is what matters to me; my own vision and that of the viewer of my work. Sorry to wax on so. I do get het up about stuff. So, Paul, what prompts you to photograph? What drives your vision? Surely there must have been something that triggered the urge in you to take camera in hand? I'm getting deep here, I know. Must be a hard thing for y'all to envision - a blonde having a serious moment! I'd love to hear more - on list or off. Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 22:22:07 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:22:07 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Heroes References: <20020709082452.40415.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D2B53FF.5BC8EAA8@earthlink.net> Paul, Don`t try to read too much into all this, as there is no ONE universal "method".The beauty of this trip is that we create as we go along, none of us being any more right than the next...if you`re enjoying yourself, then you`re doing it right! Robert "Paul R." wrote: > Hello insomniacs & early risers, > > I am embarrassed to admit that I recognize fewer than > half the names mentioned on this topic! The truth is > that I am quite ignorant about the Great Ones, and > cannot cite _anyone_ as a primary influence. In part > this is because I am still a baby photographer, having > gotten my first 'real' camera (i.e., not P&S) only > about 2-1/2 years ago. My focus is still on learning > the craft, and what 'style' I exhibit (and I hope > there IS some!) is largely innate. > > Besides inexperience, another factor is that I LIKE > feeling my own way in creative pursuits. I do LOOK at > photographs and think about the maker's intent, point > of view, and technique. In doing so, I suppose I've > applied analytical skills picked up in art history > (mostly painting & sculpture) classes. And I have > learned and borrowed. But I haven't bothered to > immerse myself in anyone's body of work, or to > consciously emulate anyone. If I knew why, I could > also explain why I never read owner's manuals! Simple > laziness, probably. Or the joy of hands-on, DIY > discovery. (There's a certain pleasure in reinventing > the wheel -- especially if I don't know it's been done > before!) > > Still, I have printed out your various lists, and will > have my eye out for the work (and methods) of these > inspiring masters. This photography thing is looking > like a lifelong bug, so there may be hope for me yet. > > Regards, > > -Paul > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > I can't sleep a note tonight - too tired. I > > can't believe than a gabby > > and opinionated group such as this would pass up a > > chance to expound on > > their personally inspirational artists! I realize > > that I should have set > > the parameters to go beyond "yourself." > > Tom reveals that he was an employee of Karsch. > > No one comments. Wow. > > Ok, it's a Monday and all that but . . . > > With my last post I listed the contributors to > > my own roots. (first > > impressions, etc). There are some additions that > > came with my own growth. > > When I was beginning I was in a hurry as befits > > the young. Eventually I > > came to the road that had Wildcat Hill and Mr. > > Weston on it. My world > > changed and I began to learn and to appreciate > > simplicity and craft. Fred > > Picker (recently departed) certainly had a lot to > > say and I tried to listen. > > Walker Evans touched me and I collect Mom and Pop > > Grocery stores as a > > result. > > I won't go on and on to the point of boring us > > all. I was just > > wondering who helped us learn to see? > > Eve > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 22:19:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Favorite subjects -- & Why In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020709211947.34480.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eric Goldstein wrote: > Was near Tournon, France a couple of weeks ago and > saw THE MOST BEAUTIFUL > shot of an old beat deserted auto mechanic's shop > with a beat up old bicycle > in front on the grayest flatest day you can > imagine... It was more perfect > than I ever could have imagined and had a Konica > AUTO S2 loaded and ready > with Delta 100 by my side but nothing I could do... > we could not afford to > stop because we were so late to catch our flight out > of Paris (which we made > by a matter of moments)...... Will see that shot in > my mind for years to > come... > > > Eric Goldstein > It's fascinating what catches our eyes, & why. I might have noticed that tableau, and smiled, but I don't know whether I would have really cared whether I had a picture of it! I think there was a recent thread here on favorite subjects. But have we thought much about WHY we shoot what we do?? I notice that I tend to be inspired less often by man-made objects & environments. But give me nature or animals (including the occasional human, preferably naked), and I'll see endless "must-have" photos, at every scale! I think it's a symptom of some boredom with (or even distaste for) much of mundane modern society. So I look for that which is 'purer', or more elemental/transcendent/eternal. In urban environments I'm more drawn to abstract patterns & shapes than social observation. Hmm, am I getting a bit curmudgeonly ALREADY? I'm not even 40 yet! Anybody else? I'm all ears. -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 22:44:49 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Inspiration (was Heroes) In-Reply-To: <003a01c2278b$38d33b60$3de6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020709214449.29056.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: > So, Paul, what prompts > you to photograph? What drives your vision? Surely > there must have been > something that triggered the urge in you to take > camera in hand? > My post of a few minutes ago RE favorite subjects hints at the answer to this. It's an ironic story of the profane leading to the sacred. A few years ago I was dating a young woman who was far too good-looking. (As Albert Brooks said in "Defending Your Life", "The person you're with should be only good looking enough to turn you on. Anything more just causes trouble.") She aspired to modeling, and had me take P&S in hand as she posed in various locations and states of undress. As a heterosexual, typically visually-stimulated male, who was I to say no? I began comparing our results to the likes of Playboy, and seeing the vast differences -- and I began to investigate why. The relationship (personal AND photographic) ended shortly thereafter, but it was just the beginning of my photographic obsession. (Hey, we should take away SOMETHING good from every relationship, right?!) I've pointed my lenses at a few women since, but I've gravitated even more toward (non-human) nature (see my other post). I seek out 'beauty' (as I see it), and strive to capture the elemental power, harmony, and magic of Creation. A bit ambitious, perhaps, but I find the EFFORT more important than the results -- because the mere act of really LOOKING puts me more in touch with nature (and whoever's behind it) than I would otherwise be. Deep enough, Blondie? ;-) -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 22:59:48 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:59:48 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Favorite subjects -- & Why References: <20020709211947.34480.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011d01c22793$f240bd40$3de6b1d8@evegirard> > Hmm, am I getting a bit > curmudgeonly ALREADY? I'm not even 40 yet! > -Paul Don't look now, Paul, but your curmudgeon wings are sprouting!!! It's very nice to see! Robert is right, we all travel our own roads. Our happiness with what we do is our own definition. If I am moved by a subject's presentation that's all I require. When I first set out with camera I had no schooling or training in the nuts-and-bolts. I'm self-taught and have no regrets. I can read just as good as the next person so I did it myself. I have eventually had some grounding in photo history and technical photography. Throw in a Nikon School or two and that's it. I learned by doing. Over the course of time my views and my vision have changed. I discovered the abstract in all things and now record it with the intention of doing so. Before I was a story-teller with an eye for composition. Is there a difference or is it just how the words are arranged? And there you go, Paul. You were influenced by the shooters in Playboy! Nameless at the time they were directing your eye to conform to theirs. You reacted in response to their stimuli (and hers, too, no doubt) and started your own eye to ticking! In a way what you see follows the formula of exposing (pun intended - all ways) beauty in a way that those Playboy staffers promulgated. A long time ago, I used to say "I only shoot blah, blah blah" not anything else. It was limiting and constricting and it lead to the creative doldrums because I had closed my mind to possibilities. I know specialities are wonderful and this is not a knock on them. It just isn't a thing for me to pursue. Alrighty then, I'm running late and starting to put myself to sleep. Apologies all around! And, yes, Paul, deep enough for this blonde head! Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 9 23:24:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:24:44 -0600 Subject: [KOML] RE: Heros Message-ID: Augh! It's been nearly all day! My first attempt I think was in HTML format so I'll try again. If you get this post twice (but without this top portion) - oops, sorry. I just got impatient. ------------ I'm nearly in the same boat as Paul. However, I do tend to go to the Houston Center for Photography monthly and see some really nice prints. There was a fellow's work that really warmed me to sepia. It was so rich and beautiful. My favorite was the running horses. I can't remember his name though. But, I made some sepia prints after seeing his. Then there was the girl that took pictures of her art. She'd used fish to make objects. The cool one was sardines to make a corset - doesn't that just make sense! I really like her work. I can't remember her name either but I saved the card that talked about her exhibit. Her work is memorable. I'm also in three camera clubs in town and I'm the editor for the Houston Photographic Society's "Silver Image." So, I get to see some amazing prints in that club. In one of the other groups (yahoo-group), a fellow used to post a weekly picture from critique. He would post a picture from an "unknown" artist and we'd critique it without knowing who did it. Some people knew some of the artist of the pictures, but they'd politely wait a few days for us less knowledgeable to say what they honestly thought of the picture. He post one that Weegee did of a fire and we talked about the humor of it 'cause of the billboard/advertisement/sign - whatever that was on the building. I think it was hot dogs. (?) Another picture we critiqued was by somebody else (well-known) with a man jumping over a puddle. I didn't even notice the poster of the ballerina in the same "jumping" pose as the fellow until somebody mentioned it....then the picture became pretty darned awesome. (Avedon? Weston?) Ya'll probably know which pictures I'm talking about 'cause after seeing them in that group I now see them more often. I fell in love with George Hurrell's portraits of the actors and actresses from the olden days (20's?, 30's, 40's?). I read the whole book that I got from the library. I was really saddened by a horrible picture of some dead animals lying in the snow. I saw this photo in the "criticizing Photographs" book. My initial reaction was just horrible. I said that I would just go around taking pictures of road-kill and I'd be famous! However, after I read a bit of the book and learned that the photo was to actually prevent this and to show what happens...(I think it was a bomb or radiation or some kind of disease - yep, I have a horrible memory and I'm not quite 30 yet!) ....anyhow, now I see it differently as a strong photograph. It made me feel. I might not have liked what I felt, but it was strong. But, I wouldn't hang it in my house. I've only been into this for three years - I think. (If I remember correctly) ;~) Barbara From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 00:18:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Kim Hartshorn) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:18:36 -0400 Subject: [KOML] help replying..and heroes Message-ID: <3D2B6F4C.5BB040AD@plattsburgh.edu> first...although i have been receiving the list ever since Eve's push to get things going (thanks eve :-) I have been unable to reply straight to the list for some reason out of my mail server, this particular message I am writing through my browser instead of my usual telnet mail and hopefully it will go straight through. My ordinary reply gets routed to admin for some reason for approval. When I tried to subscribe on the website it says I am already subscribed....so I guess we'll see what h appens to this post and take it from there... Eugene Atget is my photographic hero, Adolphe Appia is my scenic design guru and the German Expressionists in general...but especially Emile Nolde have always caught my painterly eye. Frank Lloyd Wright detail and furniture I consider the finest examples of modern design. Kim From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 05:03:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:03:19 -0700 Subject: [KOML] help replying..and heroes References: <3D2B6F4C.5BB040AD@plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: <017501c227c6$ba9aa4e0$3de6b1d8@evegirard> Kim, Welcome to our wacky world! (and you flatter me 'way too much) It's so nice to hear of other spheres of influence outside the realm of photography. It is all about design in one way or another. Have you checked the "To" address on your emails to the group? Sounds like you're sending to KOML Request rather than plain KOML@... I do hope things iron out as we would love to hear from you on a regular basis! Atget is missing from many of our lists and that is a shame; such lovely work, I can see why one's painterly eye would be attracted to it. Works such as "La Marne a la Varenne" have such wonderful character to them. A good add, Kim! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hartshorn" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: [KOML] help replying..and heroes > first...although i have been receiving the list ever since Eve's push to > get things going > > (thanks eve :-) > > I have been unable to reply straight to the list for some reason out of > my mail server, this particular message I am writing through my browser > instead of my usual telnet mail and hopefully it will go straight > through. My ordinary reply gets routed to admin for some reason for > approval. When I tried to subscribe on the website it says I am already > subscribed....so I guess we'll see what h appens to this post and take > it from there... > > Eugene Atget is my photographic hero, Adolphe Appia is my scenic design > guru and the German Expressionists in general...but especially Emile > Nolde have always caught my painterly eye. Frank Lloyd Wright detail and > furniture I consider the finest examples of modern design. > > Kim > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 07:16:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:16:43 -0700 Subject: [KOML] RE: Heros References: Message-ID: <003101c227d9$5d12e0e0$f6e6b1d8@evegirard> Hey, Barbara! I'm just running off some odds and ends and wanted to launch this one in your direction. The next time you get a book of classic photographs, some that were shot thru a view camera (Weston, Adams, et al), turn the book upside down and see the image the way the artist did. It deconstructs the reality of the image and lets you see the shapes and design that attracted the eye. After awhile upsidedown becomes the norm, but it's seldom experienced outside of the large format world. If you can find the series of books "Weston's Westons" and turn them topsy-turvy, you will be astounded at what is there. (wasn't your "puddle-hopper" a Cartier-Bresson?)(who founded "Magnum" along with Robert Capa)(oh damn, I digress . . .) I'm glad you're sounding off! Your 3 years sound very full ones! Let's hear more! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Lee Spinnenweber" To: "KOML mailing list (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:24 PM Subject: [KOML] RE: Heros > Augh! It's been nearly all day! My first attempt I think was in HTML format > so I'll try again. If you get this post twice (but without this top portion) > - oops, sorry. I just got impatient. > > ------------ > > I'm nearly in the same boat as Paul. However, I do tend to go to the Houston > Center for Photography monthly and see some really nice prints. There was a > fellow's work that really warmed me to sepia. It was so rich and beautiful. > My favorite was the running horses. I can't remember his name though. But, I > made some sepia prints after seeing his. > > Then there was the girl that took pictures of her art. She'd used fish to > make objects. The cool one was sardines to make a corset - doesn't that just > make sense! I really like her work. I can't remember her name either but I > saved the card that talked about her exhibit. Her work is memorable. > > I'm also in three camera clubs in town and I'm the editor for the Houston > Photographic Society's "Silver Image." So, I get to see some amazing prints > in that club. > > In one of the other groups (yahoo-group), a fellow used to post a weekly > picture from critique. He would post a picture from an "unknown" artist and > we'd critique it without knowing who did it. Some people knew some of the > artist of the pictures, but they'd politely wait a few days for us less > knowledgeable to say what they honestly thought of the picture. He post one > that Weegee did of a fire and we talked about the humor of it 'cause of the > billboard/advertisement/sign - whatever that was on the building. I think it > was hot dogs. (?) > > Another picture we critiqued was by somebody else (well-known) with a man > jumping over a puddle. I didn't even notice the poster of the ballerina in > the same "jumping" pose as the fellow until somebody mentioned it....then > the picture became pretty darned awesome. (Avedon? Weston?) > > Ya'll probably know which pictures I'm talking about 'cause after seeing > them in that group I now see them more often. > > I fell in love with George Hurrell's portraits of the actors and actresses > from the olden days (20's?, 30's, 40's?). I read the whole book that I got > from the library. > > I was really saddened by a horrible picture of some dead animals lying in > the snow. I saw this photo in the "criticizing Photographs" book. My initial > reaction was just horrible. I said that I would just go around taking > pictures of road-kill and I'd be famous! However, after I read a bit of the > book and learned that the photo was to actually prevent this and to show > what happens...(I think it was a bomb or radiation or some kind of disease - > yep, I have a horrible memory and I'm not quite 30 yet!) > ....anyhow, now I see it differently as a strong photograph. It made me > feel. I might not have liked what I felt, but it was strong. But, I wouldn't > hang it in my house. > > I've only been into this for three years - I think. (If I remember > correctly) > > ;~) > > > Barbara > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 07:24:56 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] RE: Heros In-Reply-To: <003101c227d9$5d12e0e0$f6e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020710062456.61408.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: After awhile upsidedown becomes the norm, > but it's seldom > experienced outside of the large format world. Have you found that Omegaflex TLV yet? ;-) -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 07:31:27 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:31:27 -0700 Subject: [KOML] RE: Heros References: <20020710062456.61408.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003d01c227db$6c49eb60$f6e6b1d8@evegirard> Hey, I did say "seldom!" Damn, give an old gal a break! My hunt continues and I bet I find an Omegaflex before I find a man! Actually I found a beater in Texas and the "sales" rep said that they don't take 4x5 trades because "digital has made that format a no-go." Imagine refusing a clean Sinar F for a trashed O'flex! And then I went on that date with Bozo. What a crappy week that was! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] RE: Heros > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > After awhile upsidedown becomes the norm, > > but it's seldom > > experienced outside of the large format world. > > Have you found that Omegaflex TLV yet? ;-) > > -Paul > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 13:58:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 8:58:37 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Photographic heroes Message-ID: <20020710125837.PPIL1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Eve wrote: >>"Just an idle thought - who are our photographic heroes? >>who has influenced us in our vision or style? Are we >>solely our own creation or are >>we facets of others intermingled with our individuality?" Since Eve is the lively spirit of the board, while others are buried in discussions and quotations concerning the electromagnetic qualities of various rays (my favorite Ray is Charles), and since she now seems to have fallen into a blue funk because we have not addressed this question, I feel compelled to at least address the issue to try to help her through the day. After all, she is from Vermont - at least that's what I gather. I am from Maine - Washington County - a real Downeaster (aiyuh). AND I knew a kid who had a bug-eye Sprite - awesome. I personally had a 55 Chevy that cost me fifty bucks. I didn't really get into photography until after high school, when I travelled on ships to such places as Spain, Italy, Greece, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, and thought it such a waste to not even have a camera. So I got one, but it didn't work very well, or I didn't work very well. But I never studied the history of photography much, and never paid much attention to the names of the photographers, although I used to look through DownEast magazine, and Arizona Highways, and those magazines influenced my photography. I still prefer landscapes, although I am now finding an occasional wedding or portraiture challenging (a landscape at least does not have the habit of sneezing just as you release the shutter). Actually, Richard Avedon and I are just like two peas in a pod. He joined the merchant marine to get into photography, and I graduated from the United States Merchant Marine Academy with a cheap camera. How much more akin can two people be, apart from the fact that I have never been asked to photograph the Beatles OR Marilyn Monroe. So that is my story, Eve, more than you ever wanted to know. Now the only question is - Will this post actually make it to the board? Or can we quote more X-ray sites? (By the way, I work for the FAA, and hand inspection can be dangerous. Did you ever have a screener remove the partially-exposed roll of film from your camera? Or demand that you remove your film from your digital one?) Ah, you obviously haven't lived!!! OK, OK, I'm going. Sorry for this being so long. Best, Barry From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 14:51:46 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:51:46 -0600 Subject: [KOML] RE: Heros Message-ID: Eve, I would like to eventually get into large format and your idea about turning the pictures upside down is great. I had a heck of a time with a TLR (when my subject tried walking out of my viewfinder), but I did get used to it. At one of the camera clubs a fellow brought in 8x10 slides. I have one word. Wow! And with Big Bend not far away.... And yeah, Bresson sounds right. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:17 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] RE: Heros Hey, Barbara! I'm just running off some odds and ends and wanted to launch this one in your direction. The next time you get a book of classic photographs, some that were shot thru a view camera (Weston, Adams, et al), turn the book upside down and see the image the way the artist did. It deconstructs the reality of the image and lets you see the shapes and design that attracted the eye. After awhile upsidedown becomes the norm, but it's seldom experienced outside of the large format world. If you can find the series of books "Weston's Westons" and turn them topsy-turvy, you will be astounded at what is there. (wasn't your "puddle-hopper" a Cartier-Bresson?)(who founded "Magnum" along with Robert Capa)(oh damn, I digress . . .) I'm glad you're sounding off! Your 3 years sound very full ones! Let's hear more! Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 16:09:57 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:09:57 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Photographic heroes In-Reply-To: <20020710125837.PPIL1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D2C1605.26360.1E0CB6E@localhost> On Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 8:58, Barry F wrote re "[KOML] Photographic heroes" saying: > Since Eve is the lively spirit of the board, while others are buried in > discussions and quotations concerning the electromagnetic qualities of > various rays (my favorite Ray is Charles) ... My favorite Ray is Man. Tom ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 17:10:54 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jon Fjortoft) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:10:54 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Heroes Message-ID: In the past month I miraculously (for me) resisted purchasing a couple of = Rapid M's in questionable condition from a local camera store, that in my = hands would've assuredly turned out to be a couple of lemons (Koni-Dogs?) = But now that I've finally got my hands on a Koni (200), in decent = condition---I feel compelled to throw my hat into this arena. The 200 (w/90mm lens) feels great. And the prints I've made confirm to me = that my $225 Koni was a terrific bargain. In the nearly 3 yrs. I've been = taking pictures (having started at age 45), I've primarily used a Minolta = X-570 and a Zeiss Ikonta M. I took an=20 adult education intro to darkroom class at a local college, and ever = since, picture taking and darkroom work has been a most happy obsession.=20= One thing I decided to do and actually followed through on, was to take = pictures for a year, before studying or even casually looking at notable = photographer's work. I tried this experiment because I have on occasion = been ruinously impressionable in a couple of other artistic ventures, and = we'll leave it at that. Obviously after 45 years of simply having my eyes open, there had been an = enormous amount of incidental influence from photographers---perhaps some = of it even coming from people in this mail group. After a year of developing my 'eye' , I finally started visiting photograph= y shows (there's plenty of opportunity for that here and around Chicago's = Loop, where I work), and started pouring through books on famous = photographers. I think because of my year of abstinence (for me, an = isolated occurance of that concept) my eyes were more open to the shared = visions of these artists, and more accepting and curious of the unfamiliar = perspectives. Well, the wind up is , I can't get enough of looking through other = photographers work, for sheer pleasure and as an education. Some of the photographers that have really gotten to me are: Roy Decarava, Harry Callahan, Diane Arbus, Garry Winogrand, Edward = Weston.....oh heck....there's too many crowding the gate.. helpful to see in a new way when the rut deepens and the ends of it shorten (thus forming a grave for ideas). But when it's cold and wet with short NW days in the winter what harm is there in a contemplative study of other people's work? Seeing a classic = master's print in an exhibition helps make one a better darkroom craftsperson. Reading the footnotes may solve an equipment prolem of your own. There = may be a new kink for filtration or a developer formulation or just whatever. So I look at history as an education rather than an emulation. I know I'm good at what I do and need no validification for it. My vision is what matters to me; my own vision and that of the viewer of my work. Sorry to wax on so. I do get het up about stuff. So, Paul, what prompts you to photograph? What drives your vision? Surely there must have been something that triggered the urge in you to take camera in hand? I'm getting deep here, I know. Must be a hard thing for y'all to envision - a blonde having a serious moment! I'd love to hear more - on list or off. Eve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org=20 http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 17:32:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:32:33 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Heroes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Jon Fjortoft" wrote: > Some of the photographers that have really gotten to me are: > Roy Decarava I'm right with you on this one Jon... Decarava is a greatly under-appreciated talent who got his images through his amazing rapport with people and not with fancy hardware... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 20:05:06 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:05:06 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Photographic heroes References: <20020710125837.PPIL1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <00b801c22844$b4a82200$03e6b1d8@evegirard> Ah, Barry, those dry tones take me back to my youth. If only we could hear more of them! My "blue funk" has completely evaporated thanks to your wit and wisdom. I'm so glad that we can laugh and gently tease on this list. Eve May the black flies of summer never bite your tush! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry F" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:58 AM Subject: [KOML] Photographic heroes > Eve wrote: > >>"Just an idle thought - who are our photographic heroes? >>who has influenced us in our vision or style? Are we >>solely our own creation or are > >>we facets of others intermingled with our individuality?" > > Since Eve is the lively spirit of the board, while others are buried in discussions and quotations concerning the electromagnetic qualities of various rays (my favorite Ray is Charles), and since she now seems to have fallen into a blue funk because we have not addressed this question, I feel compelled to at least address the issue to try to help her through the day. After all, she is from Vermont - at least that's what I gather. I am from Maine - Washington County - a real Downeaster (aiyuh). AND I knew a kid who had a bug-eye Sprite - awesome. I personally had a 55 Chevy that cost me fifty bucks. I didn't really get into photography until after high school, when I travelled on ships to such places as Spain, Italy, Greece, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, and thought it such a waste to not even have a camera. So I got one, but it didn't work very well, or I didn't work very well. But I never studied the history of photography much, and never paid much attention to the names of the photographers, although I used > to look through DownEast magazine, and Arizona Highways, and those magazines influenced my photography. I still prefer landscapes, although I am now finding an occasional wedding or portraiture challenging (a landscape at least does not have the habit of sneezing just as you release the shutter). Actually, Richard Avedon and I are just like two peas in a pod. He joined the merchant marine to get into photography, and I graduated from the United States Merchant Marine Academy with a cheap camera. How much more akin can two people be, apart from the fact that I have never been asked to photograph the Beatles OR Marilyn Monroe. So that is my story, Eve, more than you ever wanted to know. Now the only question is - Will this post actually make it to the board? Or can we quote more X-ray sites? (By the way, I work for the FAA, and hand inspection can be dangerous. Did you ever have a screener remove the partially-exposed roll of film from your camera? Or demand that you remove your film from your digital > one?) Ah, you obviously haven't lived!!! OK, OK, I'm going. Sorry for this being so long. > Best, > Barry > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 20:17:30 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:17:30 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Heroes References: Message-ID: <00d701c22846$70747fa0$03e6b1d8@evegirard> Jon sez >oh heck....there's too many crowding the gate.. Boy, that gate can get crowded can't it, Jon. I'm having to continually expand my own. I like your abstinence concept. That must have taken no little effort to pull off! But what a great idea - learn the basics, see what you can produce and then expand from there. Love it! So welcome to the wonderful world of Koni photography! Eve helpful to see in a new way when the rut deepens and the ends of it shorten (thus forming a grave for ideas). But when it's cold and wet with short NW days in the winter what harm is there in a contemplative study of other people's work? Seeing a classic master's print in an exhibition helps make one a better darkroom craftsperson. Reading the footnotes may solve an equipment prolem of your own. There may be a new kink for filtration or a developer formulation or just whatever. So I look at history as an education rather than an emulation. I know I'm good at what I do and need no validification for it. My vision is what matters to me; my own vision and that of the viewer of my work. Sorry to wax on so. I do get het up about stuff. So, Paul, what prompts you to photograph? What drives your vision? Surely there must have been something that triggered the urge in you to take camera in hand? I'm getting deep here, I know. Must be a hard thing for y'all to envision - a blonde having a serious moment! I'd love to hear more - on list or off. Eve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 10 21:27:20 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:27:20 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Photographic heroes References: <3D2C1605.26360.1E0CB6E@localhost> Message-ID: <3D2C98A8.C0C995EC@earthlink.net> Shucks, Tom, you beat me to it.(but we could probably go on about ManRay for years!) So my next choice would have to be Davies. Robert Tom Trottier wrote: > On Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 8:58, Barry F > wrote re "[KOML] Photographic heroes" saying: > > > Since Eve is the lively spirit of the board, while others are buried in > > discussions and quotations concerning the electromagnetic qualities of > > various rays (my favorite Ray is Charles) > ... > > My favorite Ray is Man. > > Tom > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 11 17:09:56 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:09:56 -0400 Subject: [KOML] [OT]WTB: Wideangle finder, 180, 135, 220 back. Message-ID: <3D2D7594.4431.3A6DBBD@localhost> [On Topic]Wanted To Buy: Wideangle finder, 180, 135, 220 back. Having won a lens, I now seek a finder. Does anyone have one for sale? I am also interested in the 135 & 180 lenses and a 220 back. Thanks, Tom ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 11 15:55:00 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Kim Hartshorn) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [KOML] test Message-ID: <01KJYSEZLP4Y001AVC@plattsburgh.edu> Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 10:53:44 Just testing to see if this is getting through any easier. any tinkerers out there manage to fit a 600 series polaroid back to a koni? Kim H From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 11 22:28:04 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:28:04 -0700 Subject: [KOML] test References: <01KJYSEZLP4Y001AVC@plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: <00b701c22921$d7d1b6a0$fbe6b1d8@evegirard> Kim, You're through loud and clear! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hartshorn" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:55 AM Subject: [KOML] test > Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 10:53:44 > Just testing to see if this is getting through any easier. > > any tinkerers out there manage to fit a 600 series polaroid back to a koni? > > Kim H > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 11 22:29:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:29:42 -0700 Subject: [KOML] test References: <01KJYSEZLP4Y001AVC@plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: <00bb01c22922$12384660$fbe6b1d8@evegirard> and of course, Kim, there was quite a lag. I just received at 2:29 PDST. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hartshorn" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:55 AM Subject: [KOML] test > Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 10:53:44 > Just testing to see if this is getting through any easier. > > any tinkerers out there manage to fit a 600 series polaroid back to a koni? > > Kim H > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 11 22:51:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:51:33 -0400 Subject: [KOML] test References: <01KJYSEZLP4Y001AVC@plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: <3D2DFDE5.5ABB4917@earthlink.net> Your message is getting through OK.A couple of years back there was some discussion of the Polaroid back possibility....I think the general concensus at the time was that it was not feasible.Anyone come up with any new ideas since then? Robert Kim Hartshorn wrote: > Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 10:53:44 > Just testing to see if this is getting through any easier. > > any tinkerers out there manage to fit a 600 series polaroid back to a koni? > > Kim H > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 11 23:32:03 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] test In-Reply-To: <3D2DFDE5.5ABB4917@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020711223203.54298.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> I think I remember reviewing the Polaroid discussion in the archives. If I recall correctly the problem was the overhang of the upper camera body toward the rear, out over the film plane -- making it impossible to get the Polaroid back (& film) properly placed. Maybe if there's a smaller Polaroid back, it would fit within the Koni body cavity? -Paul --- Nancy Brown wrote: > Your message is getting through OK.A couple of years > back there was some > discussion of the Polaroid back possibility....I > think the general concensus at > the time was that it was not feasible.Anyone come up > with any new ideas since > then? > Robert > > Kim Hartshorn wrote: > > > Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 10:53:44 > > Just testing to see if this is getting through any > easier. > > > > any tinkerers out there manage to fit a 600 series > polaroid back to a koni? > > > > Kim H > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 00:06:51 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Kim Hartshorn) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [KOML] test Message-ID: <01KJZ9JMX8TE001BNB@plattsburgh.edu> Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 19:04:39 I had noticed the same thing about the overhang of the upper body, it occurred to me that a 1/4" piece of optical glass might transfer the focal plane image and give the needed space for the back, does anyone know if such a method is used in other applications? Kim From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 00:08:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Kim Hartshorn) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [KOML] test Message-ID: <01KJZ9NAEGQ0001BNB@plattsburgh.edu> Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 19:07:35 Oh :-) btw thanks for the confirmations of the test...and sorry for not changing the subject line on my previous post. My posts still seem to be going through koni-admin before being posted to the list...is this normal for everyone else? Kim From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 00:32:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] test In-Reply-To: <01KJZ9JMX8TE001BNB@plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: <20020711233201.73043.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Kim, I believe there are high-quality Polaroid backs for 35mm SLRs which use optical glass in the form of a tight cluster of fiber optic strands to transfer the image. So maybe a sheet of optical glass could work similarly? (But then, why don't they just do that?) I know WAY too little about optics & materials to guess. But I'd be tempted to just try it! (Depending on what such an item would cost ...) Are you saying that body overhang is only about 1/4"? (I'm not near my Konis right now.) -Paul --- Kim Hartshorn wrote: > Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 19:04:39 > I had noticed the same thing about the overhang of > the upper body, > it occurred to me that a 1/4" piece of optical glass > might transfer the > focal plane image and give the needed space for the > back, does anyone know > if such a method is used in other applications? > > Kim > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 00:35:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] test In-Reply-To: <01KJZ9NAEGQ0001BNB@plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: <20020711233552.73541.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Kim, I have no idea how the KOML works, but my messages go out promptly and, as far as I can see, directly -- the only exception being if I try to send a message including HTML. -Paul --- Kim Hartshorn wrote: > Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 19:07:35 > Oh :-) > > btw thanks for the confirmations of the test...and > sorry for not changing > the subject line on my previous post. My posts > still seem to be going > through koni-admin before being posted to the > list...is this normal for > everyone else? > > Kim > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 00:55:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Roger Wiser) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:55:52 -0500 Subject: [KOML] test References: <01KJZ9NAEGQ0001BNB@plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: <3D2E1B07.6D00BFE8@cni-usa.com> My post went through the administrator too but it was rejected because he/she/it claimed I used HTML. ? ?? Roger PS. I told about my digital experience capturing (photographing) fireworks. Kim Hartshorn wrote: > Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 19:07:35 > Oh :-) > > btw thanks for the confirmations of the test...and sorry for not changing > the subject line on my previous post. My posts still seem to be going > through koni-admin before being posted to the list...is this normal for > everyone else? > > Kim > > From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 01:37:05 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Polaroid back - film plane solutions Message-ID: <20020712003705.93422.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Kim & all, Following is a link & excerpt from Bob Monaghan regarding the image-transmission-to-Polaroid issue. Sounds like a plate of optical glass might be an acceptable low-budget solution. http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/mf/polaroidtest.html Fused Fiber Plates One of the major problems in creating a 35mm or medium format Polaroid back is the depth of the film in the Polaroid back adapter is often well beyond where regular 35mm or 120 rollfilm would lie in the camera. So how do you move the point of focus to where you need it to be? In low cost or homebrew cameras, you can use a glass plate or plastic (acrylic) sheet to channel the light to the Polaroid film surface. The NPC corporation often uses a clever solution consisting of a very expensive flat piece of ground glass made out of fused fiber optic fibers. These thousands of parallel optical fibers channel the light very efficiently from the film plane of the camera to the film plane of the Polaroid film pack. The fibers are cut off and ground to the exact distance required. Unfortunately, the cost for this premium solution is a premium price which often doubles or triples the price over a more conventional solution. Glass plates are used as an economy alternative, but the result is more flare and light spreading, especially from bright light sources. More on the $800 NPC backs here: http://www.npcphoto.com/html/proback_ii.htm -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 00:40:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:40:18 +0100 Subject: [KOML] [OT]WTB: Wideangle finder, 180, 135, 220 back. In-Reply-To: <3D2D7594.4431.3A6DBBD@localhost> References: <3D2D7594.4431.3A6DBBD@localhost> Message-ID: At 12:09 pm -0400 11/7/02, Tom Trottier wrote: >[On Topic]Wanted To Buy: Wideangle finder, 180, 135, 220 back. > >Having won a lens, I now seek a finder. >Does anyone have one for sale? > >I am also interested in the 135 & 180 lenses and a 220 back. > >Thanks, Tom Tom, Love the deep irony - koni gear is now OT..... Sorry nothing here - they do come up from time to time on ebay but seem to go for ridiculous amounts of the folding stuff. I have been looking out for one for a while and they are not easy to find as people use 'em for other cameras/lens combinations. You could always try Greg Weber...... Good luck. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 00:28:10 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (KOML Admin) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:28:10 +0100 Subject: [KOML] test In-Reply-To: <01KJZ9NAEGQ0001BNB@plattsburgh.edu> References: <01KJZ9NAEGQ0001BNB@plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: At 7:08 pm -0400 11/7/02, Kim Hartshorn wrote: >Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 19:07:35 >Oh :-) > >btw thanks for the confirmations of the test...and sorry for not changing >the subject line on my previous post. My posts still seem to be going >through koni-admin before being posted to the list...is this normal for >everyone else? > >Kim Nope mine get through OK - only people who send EMails from addresses other than the one they used to subscribe have to go through the Admin :-) Hey - you get a free spell check....... From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 00:31:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:31:52 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Polaroid Backs Message-ID: At 3:32 pm -0700 11/7/02, Paul R. wrote: >I think I remember reviewing the Polaroid discussion >in the archives. If I recall correctly the problem >was the overhang of the upper camera body toward the >rear, out over the film plane -- making it impossible >to get the Polaroid back (& film) properly placed. > >Maybe if there's a smaller Polaroid back, it would fit >within the Koni body cavity? > >-Paul You're right Paul. Maybe someone will be inspired to make one! Really though, film is cheap enough to bracket if you have a difficult exposure judgement to make. The other option in B&W is to use Ilford XP 400 - you'll always have something on the neg. if you manage to open the shutter with the lens cap off ;-) Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 03:00:57 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:00:57 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Polaroid Backs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Clive Warren" wrote: > Really though, film is cheap enough to bracket if you have a > difficult exposure judgement to make. The other option in B&W is to > use Ilford XP 400 - you'll always have something on the neg. if you > manage to open the shutter with the lens cap off ;-) Clive - Understood your point with regard to exposure but Polaroid is extremely useful 1 - for judging lighting setups in the studio 2- for judging contrast range in exteriors 3- for "visualizing" a la Ansel... What else? Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 04:53:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Gross underexposures; digital proofing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020712035344.85598.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> --- Clive Warren wrote: The other > option in B&W is to > use Ilford XP 400 - you'll always have something on > the neg. if you > manage to open the shutter with the lens cap off ;-) > > Cheers, > Clive > Clive, Lens cap off AND dark slide out! (Made the latter mistake last weekend.) Isn't there an interlock to prevent tripping the shutter with the dark slide in? Well, there oughta be!! :-) Of course, bracketing (along with careful metering) may assure a decent overall exposure, but in flash situations, it won't assure the desired lighting balance. Being a sometime flash (and multi-flash) user, but far from a master thereof, I've often wished for Polaroid (or other) proofing capability. I'd guess that multi-flash setups and rangefinder Konis aren't too often seen together. But we do have a broadly experienced group here, and we touched on this possibility briefly: Has anyone found (& used) an economical DIGITAL proofing solution? I.e., one that permits full manual control of ISO, shutter speed and aperture? Regards, -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 07:49:56 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:49:56 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Hot Guns and Insomnia Message-ID: <011001c22970$56c93ca0$fbe6b1d8@evegirard> I know this is waaaay off topic (topic? Topic! We don't need no stinkin' topic!) but I can't sleep so there ya go. I'm a neighbor of Fort Lewis (we all are in Lacey) and they have a very active artillery range - VERY active. The really big stuff, too. We're not talkin 105's here. My windows shake and buzz; things creep off shelves and that's just during a good day! Yesterday it went on well into the night and on to this morning. It's hard to sleep when you can feel the concussion of each shot out. And yes, I do realize that's the sound of freedom, BUT, I'd love to make some sleeping noises of my own! Hard to work in the darkroom when the enlargers quiver at random moments. Tom's query this morning made me realize that I could use some user non-AI Nikon lenses if anyone is cleaning out a closet. I'm also still looking for the stick-on garnish piece on a Rapid that has the rangefinder window openings in it. It's the silver piece on the front that says "Rapid." I have a very silky Rapid sans this piece. I've made a mask and use it but I'd love to have the old gal back in trim. Tom's viewfinder search reminds me that it (the K-O viewfinder for 60) makes a wonderful expedient on a Linhof Technika 4x5. I use mine on both my Tech cameras and it is great. Not a perfect match for view angle (I know someone will get out the tape measure) but damn close with a 135. Works for me. Great. Now I'm hungry. Wonderful. Nothing in the house to eat, so I have to get dressed and make a store run. Damn, what a night. And awaaay I go . . . . . . Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 10:01:30 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:01:30 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Re: Polaroid Backs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:00 PM -0400 11/7/02, Eric Goldstein wrote: >"Clive Warren" wrote: > >> Really though, film is cheap enough to bracket if you have a >> difficult exposure judgement to make. The other option in B&W is to >> use Ilford XP 400 - you'll always have something on the neg. if you >> manage to open the shutter with the lens cap off ;-) > >Clive - > >Understood your point with regard to exposure but Polaroid is extremely >useful > >1 - for judging lighting setups in the studio > >2- for judging contrast range in exteriors > >3- for "visualizing" a la Ansel... > >What else? 4. Giving your model/s something to take home 5. A record to keep with your negs/trannies 6. Using colour - lifts and transfers 7. Putting an entry into Polaroid awards competitions 8. Ensuring you get the shot when it is a one-off opportunity 9. An equipment check - to avoid shooting the back of the darkslide :-) 9. etc etc The thing is, I have a Polaroid back for a 6x6 camera that I have used about twice in the many years that it has been sitting in the studio. I do use Polaroid more for 4x5 but really not that often! Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 16:05:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barbara Lee Spinnenweber) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:05:43 -0600 Subject: [KOML] Gross underexposures; digital proofing? Message-ID: Paul, Yep. I my Nikon 990 has manual operations and the ISO seems to be similar to film ISO. I can set manual shutter and aperture. I've used this before testing my flash to see what the flash is doing to the subject before I waste film. I did eventually get a flash meter, but I still use the digital to get an idea of what it's going to look like. There are some slight differences. However, I generally will not get anything more than f/11 on the 990, if that, depending on where I am zoomed to. Of course, I generally don't need the the smaller aperture, so it hasn't mattered. The 990 also has more depth of field - no matter what aperture - than film. I've never used a Polaroid camera for this. My digital does a good enough job. I find it really helpful. But, to be honest, I've only done this a couple of times. Most of my pictures are available light. And I do have a problem in that my 990 is more reliable with an external flash than my Canon. I have to use a third party (Olympus - similar to the Wein) hot shoe to PC adapter to use third party flash (Sunpak, Vivtar, or Novatron). And it doesn't seem to flash reliably. I need to do more experimenting. I don't know how to get my Canon to test the flash without wasting film. I do know how to do this on the Koni though. Barbara L. Spinnenweber ------------ (snip) Has anyone found (& used) an economical DIGITAL proofing solution? I.e., one that permits full manual control of ISO, shutter speed and aperture? Regards, -Paul From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 16:19:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:19:13 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Gross underexposures; digital proofing? In-Reply-To: <20020712035344.85598.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020712035344.85598.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 8:53 PM -0700 11/7/02, Paul R. wrote: >Clive, > >Lens cap off AND dark slide out! (Made the latter >mistake last weekend.) Isn't there an interlock to >prevent tripping the shutter with the dark slide in? >Well, there oughta be!! :-) > >Of course, bracketing (along with careful metering) >may assure a decent overall exposure, but in flash >situations, it won't assure the desired lighting >balance. Being a sometime flash (and multi-flash) >user, but far from a master thereof, I've often wished >for Polaroid (or other) proofing capability. > >I'd guess that multi-flash setups and rangefinder >Konis aren't too often seen together. But we do have >a broadly experienced group here, and we touched on >this possibility briefly: Has anyone found (& used) >an economical DIGITAL proofing solution? I.e., one >that permits full manual control of ISO, shutter speed >and aperture? I have some great photos of the back of the "darkslide" doors on my Koni-Omega Rapid! There is no interlock on the KO Rapid, unlike the Rapid-Omega models that should stop you from having this sort of fun. The problems with digital proofing are related to the technology: 1. Massive depth of field 2. Poor laterality - ie film will record a wider brightness range than digital 3. Higher ISOs tend to give more noise rather than a simple speed increase Digital cameras can be useful tools for note taking - ie recording a scene for later KO photography. Or for use in quick evaluations of composition if you have a poor visual memory ;-) Effects of shutter speeds could be useful - for example moving water..... Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 16:29:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:29:08 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Gross underexposures; digital proofing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Clive Warren" wrote: >> Lens cap off AND dark slide out! (Made the latter >> mistake last weekend.) Isn't there an interlock to >> prevent tripping the shutter with the dark slide in? >> Well, there oughta be!! :-) Koni engineered a solution to this... They called it the Omegaflex-M ;-) Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 16:40:40 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:40:40 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Re: Gross underexposures; digital proofing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:29 AM -0400 12/7/02, Eric Goldstein wrote: >"Clive Warren" wrote: > >>> Lens cap off AND dark slide out! (Made the latter >>> mistake last weekend.) Isn't there an interlock to >>> prevent tripping the shutter with the dark slide in? >>> Well, there oughta be!! :-) > >Koni engineered a solution to this... They called it the Omegaflex-M ;-) Eric, Good one... except the quote is not from me - it was Paul who experienced this delight with his RO! I have had this experience with a KO Rapid which does not have the interlock and has moving doors rather than a dakslide per se. There is an interlock on the Rapid-Omega cameras that should prevent this from happening. The darkslide does have to be pushed completely home for the interlock to work. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 16:44:51 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:44:51 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Gross underexposures; digital proofing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Clive Warren" wrote: > There is an interlock on the Rapid-Omega cameras that should prevent > this from happening. The darkslide does have to be pushed completely > home for the interlock to work. Clive - sorry for the mis-attribution... Figures that the later KOs that used the M magazine would share the dark slide interlock... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 20:27:27 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:27:27 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Testing; 1,2,3.... Message-ID: <004801c229da$29cceb60$b8e6b1d8@evegirard> Have been having ISP troubles here since last night - not even getting my own posts to anything. It's starting to come to life, but just want to confirm I'm getting out. Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 22:03:03 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:03:03 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Testing; 1,2,3.... References: <004801c229da$29cceb60$b8e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D2F4406.A08B852A@earthlink.net> Coming thru loud & clear, tall girl.....maybe the concussion from those one-five-fives is affecting your hardware! Robert Eve Girard wrote: > Have been having ISP troubles here since last night - not even getting my > own posts to anything. It's starting to come to life, but just want to > confirm I'm getting out. > Eve > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 22:01:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:01:37 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Testing; 1,2,3.... References: <004801c229da$29cceb60$b8e6b1d8@evegirard> <3D2F4406.A08B852A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008d01c229e7$50d1b4e0$b8e6b1d8@evegirard> Thanks, Robert. I was beginning to feel cut off! The Arty concert has ceased its fire for the week. Peace reigns! Later, Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Testing; 1,2,3.... > Coming thru loud & clear, tall girl.....maybe the concussion from those > one-five-fives is affecting your hardware! > Robert > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > Have been having ISP troubles here since last night - not even getting my > > own posts to anything. It's starting to come to life, but just want to > > confirm I'm getting out. > > Eve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 12 03:26:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Kim Hartshorn) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Polaroid Backs Message-ID: <01KJZGKRG90I001BNZ@plattsburgh.edu> Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 22:25:37 two words.... instant gratification! :-) and a 6x7 polaroid would scan just fine Kim From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 13 16:54:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jack Fallon) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:54:19 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Polaroid Backs References: <01KJZGKRG90I001BNZ@plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: <001101c22a85$8ed5fa00$7fb3fea9@watavue> I'M NOT SAYING THAT TODAY'S WEDDING DON'T LAST.....BUT I JUST SHOT ONE AND THEY GOT DIVORCED BEFORE THE PICTURES WHERE READY.....AND THEY WHERE POLAROIDS. SMILINJACK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hartshorn" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Polaroid Backs > Date sent: 11-JUL-2002 22:25:37 > two words.... > > instant gratification! > > :-) > > > and a 6x7 polaroid would scan just fine > > Kim > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 14 06:56:02 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Polaroid Backs In-Reply-To: <001101c22a85$8ed5fa00$7fb3fea9@watavue> Message-ID: <20020714055602.37139.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Hah! Got ME smilin' on that one, Jack! :-) -Paul --- Jack Fallon wrote: > I'M NOT SAYING THAT TODAY'S WEDDING DON'T > LAST.....BUT I JUST SHOT ONE AND > THEY GOT DIVORCED BEFORE THE PICTURES WHERE > READY.....AND THEY WHERE > POLAROIDS. SMILINJACK __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 14 07:02:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:02:19 -0700 Subject: [KOML] If a tree fell on KOMl . . . Message-ID: <008001c22afc$03e28fe0$60e6b1d8@evegirard> Sure is quiet out there in ether-land. I surely do hope that y'all click your shutters a heck of a lot more than you do your keyboards! Irritating old broad, ain't I? I just noticed on another list that the great Karsch has passed away today. I hope our fellow list-member and former Karsch employee, Tom, might be able to offer a word or two about the man. Frankly, I've been out of touch for the past couple of days what with a balky ISP, too much work and a near-suicidal best friend. Been a little too melancholy to be cute and perky. I'm reminded of a wonderful photo essay in the Feb/March '99 "Camera Arts" magazine by Dean Tokuno called "Dad." It follows the decline and loss of his father in a very moving way. He used a polyglot assortment of equipment (no K-O, but that's forgiveable) to produce this wrenching essay. Being with someone you love, watching them dwindle is a challenge of the soul. Well, I'm searching about for a common topic here. Our camera of choice is, by its nature, a simple thing. It seems as if only so much can be said on its behalf. Soooo, perhaps a broadening of horizons into other spheres might work as a stimulus for conversation. Any ideas? Darkroom as relates to 6x7? Films we love? Our best shot? Surely there must be something that we can all latch onto and gnaw to death! I cannot believe that we are such a taciturn bunch that mere conversation is beneath us. Hell, another list to which I subscribe is going on all day about dents in Nikons and how they get there. Next they'll be discussing navel lint, don'tcha know . . . Remember that even as we sit clicking something or another, be it camera or keyboard, our art and its practice, the use of film, is slowly becoming a lost art. How many of us process and print our own stuff anymore? It's come to something when I'm getting a digital camera just to have something immediately postable on the web. I can't tell you how much that grates at me. No film. Moi? I know it's vacation time and I should lighten up a little. Maybe even get a life . . . But I do fear the day when Clive might say "Sorry about the KOML. Too little traffic to be worth the bandwidth." (Man Update . . .Date this coming Friday with USAF Lt Colonel (Reserve) who is also an airline pilot. Wow! A hunk and he's taller than me . . .!) OK, time for Eve to descend from the soapbox and end the Sermon From Mount Lacey. Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 14 12:39:49 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Joe Sjostrom) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:39:49 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The wait was excruciating Message-ID: <1BAA84FE.367CB147.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Good morning! Well, the wait was excruciating. I put my check in the mail three weeks ago and then spent the last two weeks being nervous and anxious. But on Friday the U.S. mail carrier, God bless her, brought me a big brown box containing a whole lot of bubble wrap, rolled-up newspaper, and a shiny like-new (honest!) Koni Omega 200! I loaded a roll of Provia 400 and by this time next week I should know about any problems with leaks, focus, shutter, advance, etc. Assuming everything’s a go, I’ll pick a film to use for a dozen rolls and see what I can produce. One thing I’ve learned from reading your messages here is not to take photography too too seriously. Regardless of that, the Koni Omega is new territory for me, and I don’t really know how I’m going to use it. I won’t give up my Canon SLR or my Olympus auto-focus/auto-expose because I get pictures with them that I’ll never get with the KO. But I’m at a point in life where I have time and a few bucks to indulge some preferences, and one of them is that when I take a picture of a tree I want to be able to see the leaves, not just an undifferentiated mass of green. So, finding an affordable medium format package in KO was a temptation I couldn’t resist.  When I’m not spending money on cameras, I keep busy with two kids, 19 and 13, playing the 5-string banjo bluegrass style, and working out at the YMCA. I like beer at basement-shelf temperature and I believe vinyl LPs sound way better than CDs. My wife likes her digital Sony camera, that is, unless the battery’s dead or the storage is full, which is most of the time. But she’s a prize: over the course of a few Christmases, she gave me my golf clubs, my banjo and my beer-making rig. The sun’s coming up and I gotta go take some pictures, and I hope the results will be worth reporting on. Joe Sjostrom Oak Park, Ill. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 14 15:14:30 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:14:30 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The wait was excruciating References: <1BAA84FE.367CB147.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3D318746.4FD3980B@earthlink.net> Joe, Sounds like you`re on your way to having a good time with your new Rapid....I remember getting my first roll of Velvia back from the lab and holding it up to the light.....what a difference from 35mm!The images seemed to jump out at you in 3-D, the colors intensly vibrant,and incredible detail even way out on the corners of the frame.The Rapid has been near and dear to my heart ever since.... Never tried making my own beer,but it sounds interesting(I`m fortunate to have 2 good brew-pubs within 20 minutes of home), also think vinyl is a superior medium(still have a few Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab direct-from-master LP`s) and prefer a Gibson 335 or a maple-neck Strat to that banjo, but that`s what keeps it interesting! Have fun and go burn some film.... Robert Joe Sjostrom wrote: > Good morning! > Well, the wait was excruciating. I put my check in the mail three > weeks ago and then spent the last two weeks being nervous and anxious. > But on Friday the U.S. mail carrier, God bless her, brought me a > big brown box containing a whole lot of bubble wrap, rolled-up > newspaper, and a shiny like-new (honest!) Koni Omega 200! I loaded a > roll of Provia 400 and by this time next week I should know about > any problems with leaks, focus, shutter, advance, etc. > Assuming everything’s a go, I’ll pick a film to use for a dozen rolls > and see what I can produce. > One thing I’ve learned from reading your messages here is not to take photography too too seriously. > Regardless of that, the Koni Omega is new territory for me, and I > don’t really know how I’m going to use it. I won’t give up my Canon > SLR or my Olympus auto-focus/auto-expose because I get pictures > with them that I’ll never get with the KO. But I’m at a point in > life where I have time and a few bucks to indulge some preferences, > and one of them is that when I take a picture of a tree I want to > be able to see the leaves, not just an undifferentiated mass of green. > So, finding an affordable medium format package in KO was a temptation > I couldn’t resist. >  When I’m not spending money on cameras, I keep busy with > two kids, 19 and 13, playing the 5-string banjo bluegrass style, > and working out at the YMCA. I like beer at basement-shelf temperature > and I believe vinyl LPs sound way better than CDs. My wife likes her digital Sony camera, that is, unless the battery’s dead or the storage > is full, which is most of the time. But she’s a prize: over the course > of a few Christmases, she gave me my golf clubs, my banjo and my > beer-making rig. > The sun’s coming up and I gotta go take some pictures, and I hope the results will be worth reporting on. > Joe Sjostrom > Oak Park, Ill. > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 14 15:30:39 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:30:39 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: The wait was excruciating In-Reply-To: <3D318746.4FD3980B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Robert" wrote: > Sounds like you`re on your way to having a good time with your new Rapid....I > remember getting my first roll of Velvia back from the lab and holding it up > to the > light.....what a difference from 35mm!The images seemed to jump out at you in > 3-D Robert - If you are interested, you can make true stereo images with your K-O, which are spectacular! Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 14 20:29:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:29:47 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Karsh info & portfolio - follow links Message-ID: <3D3198EB.17851.4AE6019@localhost> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20020713/ wkarsh/Front/homeBN/breakingnews ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 14 22:16:29 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:16:29 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: The wait was excruciating References: Message-ID: <3D31EA2D.B12FA64B@earthlink.net> Eric, Sounds very interesting...please enlighten us. Robert Eric Goldstein wrote: > "Robert" wrote: > > > Sounds like you`re on your way to having a good time with your new Rapid....I > > remember getting my first roll of Velvia back from the lab and holding it up > > to the > > light.....what a difference from 35mm!The images seemed to jump out at you in > > 3-D > > Robert - > > If you are interested, you can make true stereo images with your K-O, which > are spectacular! > > Eric Goldstein > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 14 22:30:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:30:13 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: The wait was excruciating In-Reply-To: <3D31EA2D.B12FA64B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Nancy Brown" wrote: > Eric, > Sounds very interesting...please enlighten us. > Robert > >> If you are interested, you can make true stereo images with your K-O, which >> are spectacular! Robert - LOL... Please don't look to the likes of me for enlightenment but basically it is done with a single camera by taking two images of a static subject with about 3 inches of lateral displacement... A slide bar works well or you can just lean left, then right hand held... Here are some links to get anyone interested started... Slide mounts, viewers, etc... http://www.rmm3d.com/ http://www.angelfire.com/ca/erker/ http://home.mira.net/~kiewavly/ Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 01:22:10 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Joe Sjostrom) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:22:10 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The wait was excruciating Message-ID: <4AD245D3.0C8EB6C1.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Robert, I haven't brewed in a few years because it's a huge amount of work and the product is not necessarily a lot better than what you get at a good brew pub (speaking here only for my product). However when in full operation, the Scoville Avenue Brewery and Sawdust Factory made a pretty good ale, called White Male Ale, and a tasty weisbier called Dirty Feet Wheat. Let me tell you, I was a very popular guy in the neighborhood then. Joe __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 01:38:16 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:38:16 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: If a tree fell on KOMl . . . In-Reply-To: <008001c22afc$03e28fe0$60e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: "Eve Girard" wrote: > I just noticed on another list that the great Karsch has passed away > today. I hope our fellow list-member and former Karsch employee, Tom, might > be able to offer a word or two about the man. It would be great to hear from Tom... Any tidbits offered would be greatly appreciated... We have been speaking a bit about digital recently: ease, economy, quickness, artifacts, low rez, alternative imaging... Josef Karsh it seemed was the antithesis of this thinking... Deliberate, unwieldy, and at times painstakingly slow, he was a master of great resolution, detail, revelation. I've had the chance to see several showing of Karsh master prints, the last a couple of years ago at Boston's MFA and I must tell you, no amount of photoshop work and no digital process available for the near-term could produce what this man did... His light and his methods and his ways with his subjects all combined to produce images of scale and strength that startles you into believing that the essence each subject somehow found itself illuminated in the print... Reproductions do not do this man's work justice... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 02:15:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:15:44 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: The wait was excruciating References: Message-ID: <3D322240.BE4B38B1@earthlink.net> Eric, You have definitely sparked up my interest with this info....thanks!!! Robert Eric Goldstein wrote: > "Nancy Brown" wrote: > > > Eric, > > Sounds very interesting...please enlighten us. > > Robert > > > >> If you are interested, you can make true stereo images with your K-O, which > >> are spectacular! > > Robert - > > LOL... Please don't look to the likes of me for enlightenment but basically > it is done with a single camera by taking two images of a static subject > with about 3 inches of lateral displacement... A slide bar works well or you > can just lean left, then right hand held... > > Here are some links to get anyone interested started... Slide mounts, > viewers, etc... > > http://www.rmm3d.com/ > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca/erker/ > > http://home.mira.net/~kiewavly/ > > Eric Goldstein > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 02:15:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:15:43 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: The wait was excruciating In-Reply-To: <3D322240.BE4B38B1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Nancy Brown" wrote: > Eric, > You have definitely sparked up my interest with this info....thanks!!! > Robert I've been shooting stereo for a long time Robert and if I can help you further I'd be glad to... On or off the list... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 02:55:25 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:55:25 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The wait was excruciating References: <1BAA84FE.367CB147.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Message-ID: <00b901c22ba2$b0a820e0$45e6b1d8@evegirard> You GO, Joe! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Sjostrom" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 4:39 AM Subject: [KOML] The wait was excruciating > Good morning! > Well, the wait was excruciating. I put my check in the mail three > weeks ago and then spent the last two weeks being nervous and anxious. > But on Friday the U.S. mail carrier, God bless her, brought me a > big brown box containing a whole lot of bubble wrap, rolled-up > newspaper, and a shiny like-new (honest!) Koni Omega 200! I loaded a > roll of Provia 400 and by this time next week I should know about > any problems with leaks, focus, shutter, advance, etc. > Assuming everything’s a go, I’ll pick a film to use for a dozen rolls > and see what I can produce. > One thing I’ve learned from reading your messages here is not to take photography too too seriously. > Regardless of that, the Koni Omega is new territory for me, and I > don’t really know how I’m going to use it. I won’t give up my Canon > SLR or my Olympus auto-focus/auto-expose because I get pictures > with them that I’ll never get with the KO. But I’m at a point in > life where I have time and a few bucks to indulge some preferences, > and one of them is that when I take a picture of a tree I want to > be able to see the leaves, not just an undifferentiated mass of green. > So, finding an affordable medium format package in KO was a temptation > I couldn’t resist. > When I’m not spending money on cameras, I keep busy with > two kids, 19 and 13, playing the 5-string banjo bluegrass style, > and working out at the YMCA. I like beer at basement-shelf temperature > and I believe vinyl LPs sound way better than CDs. My wife likes her digital Sony camera, that is, unless the battery’s dead or the storage > is full, which is most of the time. But she’s a prize: over the course > of a few Christmases, she gave me my golf clubs, my banjo and my > beer-making rig. > The sun’s coming up and I gotta go take some pictures, and I hope the results will be worth reporting on. > Joe Sjostrom > Oak Park, Ill. > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 03:08:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:08:36 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: The wait was excruciating References: Message-ID: <3D322EA3.90E5B8F@earthlink.net> Eric, What kind of viewing apparatus do you use? I`m already thinking of ways to mount 2 Rapids side-by-side on a common rail.Using 2 cameras with 58mm lenses, angled outward at the proper angle might allow you to create a "poor man`s Roundshot" of sorts....sounds like fun, huh?. Robert Eric Goldstein wrote: > "Nancy Brown" wrote: > > > Eric, > > You have definitely sparked up my interest with this info....thanks!!! > > Robert > > I've been shooting stereo for a long time Robert and if I can help you > further I'd be glad to... On or off the list... > > Eric Goldstein > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 03:12:57 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:12:57 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The wait was excruciating References: <4AD245D3.0C8EB6C1.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3D322FA9.3514DF9C@earthlink.net> Joe, I raise my mug in respect to the Brewmeister! Robert Joe Sjostrom wrote: > Robert, > I haven't brewed in a few years because it's a huge amount of work and > the product is not necessarily a lot better than what you get at a > good brew pub (speaking here only for my product). However when in > full operation, the Scoville Avenue Brewery and Sawdust Factory made > a pretty good ale, called White Male Ale, and a tasty weisbier called > Dirty Feet Wheat. Let me tell you, I was a very popular guy in > the neighborhood then. > Joe > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 03:12:58 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:12:58 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: The wait was excruciating References: <3D322EA3.90E5B8F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00fb01c22ba5$2404fca0$45e6b1d8@evegirard> Eric sez below: "On or off the list..." Could we do it ON list? My curiosity is piqued. If we keep it subject-lined "Koni Stereo" how can we lose? Been out most of the day crabbing. My fingers are sore from cleaning them, but we did ok. What a calming way to spend a day - crabbing, that is. The morning light was quite delicious for tidal flat shots. I'll run the film later tonight, but a couple of the setups really felt good. Back to stereo, wasn't there a Linhof bracket for stereo work? Also FWIW, Surplus shed has many new in box Realist front assy's w/lens. Hoping to hear more from Eric, Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: The wait was excruciating > Eric, > What kind of viewing apparatus do you use? I`m already thinking of ways to > mount 2 Rapids side-by-side on a common rail.Using 2 cameras with 58mm > lenses, angled outward at the proper angle might allow you to create a "poor > man`s Roundshot" of sorts....sounds like fun, huh?. > Robert > > Eric Goldstein wrote: > > > "Nancy Brown" wrote: > > > > > Eric, > > > You have definitely sparked up my interest with this info....thanks!!! > > > Robert > > > > I've been shooting stereo for a long time Robert and if I can help you > > further I'd be glad to... On or off the list... > > > > Eric Goldstein > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 03:14:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:14:14 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The wait was excruciating References: <4AD245D3.0C8EB6C1.0FC55E76@netscape.net> <3D322FA9.3514DF9C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <010301c22ba5$51a71da0$45e6b1d8@evegirard> Lower your mug, Robert! Looking up your nose is boring! ;>) Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] The wait was excruciating > Joe, > I raise my mug in respect to the Brewmeister! > Robert > > Joe Sjostrom wrote: > > > Robert, > > I haven't brewed in a few years because it's a huge amount of work and > > the product is not necessarily a lot better than what you get at a > > good brew pub (speaking here only for my product). However when in > > full operation, the Scoville Avenue Brewery and Sawdust Factory made > > a pretty good ale, called White Male Ale, and a tasty weisbier called > > Dirty Feet Wheat. Let me tell you, I was a very popular guy in > > the neighborhood then. > > Joe > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 03:38:57 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:38:57 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The wait was excruciating References: <4AD245D3.0C8EB6C1.0FC55E76@netscape.net> <3D322FA9.3514DF9C@earthlink.net> <010301c22ba5$51a71da0$45e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3235C1.A73FE3C5@earthlink.net> ANYTHING for you, Darling..... (Good luck with Colonel Bushpilot, I hope he`s a better catch than the last Troglodyte!) Robert Eve Girard wrote: > Lower your mug, Robert! Looking up your nose is boring! ;>) > Eve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Brown" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] The wait was excruciating > > > Joe, > > I raise my mug in respect to the Brewmeister! > > Robert > > > > Joe Sjostrom wrote: > > > > > Robert, > > > I haven't brewed in a few years because it's a huge amount of work and > > > the product is not necessarily a lot better than what you get at a > > > good brew pub (speaking here only for my product). However when in > > > full operation, the Scoville Avenue Brewery and Sawdust Factory made > > > a pretty good ale, called White Male Ale, and a tasty weisbier called > > > Dirty Feet Wheat. Let me tell you, I was a very popular guy in > > > the neighborhood then. > > > Joe > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. > Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! > http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > > > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 04:21:41 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jay Hipps) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:21:41 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: The wait was excruciating In-Reply-To: <3D322EA3.90E5B8F@earthlink.net> References: <3D322EA3.90E5B8F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 10:08 PM -0400 7/14/02, Nancy Brown wrote: >Eric, >What kind of viewing apparatus do you use? I`m already thinking of ways to >mount 2 Rapids side-by-side on a common rail.Using 2 cameras with 58mm >lenses, angled outward at the proper angle might allow you to create a "poor >man`s Roundshot" of sorts....sounds like fun, huh? Actually, if you mount your camera in such a manner that it can be rotated around the focal point of the lens, you can then scan the results and assemble a 360-degree photo fairly easily. The Roundshot has an advantage in that it shoots its entire panorama in a short time, but the effect is still pretty good. If I may offer up one of my own panoramas as an example -- http://www.wordsandgraphics.com/pikeplace.html (a pano I made several years ago at Pike Place Market in Seattle). (You have to have the QuickTime plugin installed to see it and it probably will look dark on PCs, since Windows uses a different gamma curve than Macintosh.) Cheers, Jay From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 04:55:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:55:14 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Karsh In-Reply-To: References: <008001c22afc$03e28fe0$60e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D320F62.11110.67D2489@localhost> On Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 20:38, Eric Goldstein wrote re "[KOML] Re: If a tree fell on KOMl . . ." saying: > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > I just noticed on another list that the great Karsch has passed away > > today. I hope our fellow list-member and former Karsch employee, Tom, > > might be able to offer a word or two about the man. Well, he was a great craftsman/artist and socialite, focused and timid/gentle all at once. He had a strong sense of what was proper, even to the point of taking Churchill's cigar from him (but after a shot or two beforehand with the cigar, just to be sure) because he thought the cigar "undignified." He was sure not timid with me in the studio - was exactly clear what he wanted me (age ~22) to do. He preferred all his staff to know what he wanted before he knew it. His staff stayed with him for years. Ignas Gabalis, his darkroom person, worked for him for 38 years. He treated them all with respect. He saved his impatience for me and the rest of the outside world when he was in the studio. I was lucky to last a year. I was too curious and too careless for him. In 1968 when I worked for him, he charged local Ottawans $300 for a sitting with prints, other canadians $400, and americans $500 because he felt a loyalty to his home. Notables, of course, got their sitting free, though magazines sometimes paid for a string of sittings, like Fortune, Life, ... He charged $15 for hand-printed 8x10's then. For me it would have been 1/4 of my weekly salary. He got to shoot Churchill because he had made friends with the Ottawa social =E9lite, and especially the prime minister, Mackenzie King. Small prints were made on paper one size bigger and lines were embossed around them to frame them. Most portraits were printed on a beigy stock. Only exhibition prints were on pure black and white paper, Dupont Velour, if I recall correctly. We always made more prints that were called for in orders, partly to compensate for accidents, and also to have a choice. If he were in town, he would usually make the final selection of the prints to be shipped. If not, Helga Graber and/or Ignas would choose, and the rest of the prints either stored for future orders or destroyed. All colour was handled outside - I seldom saw them. Most negatives and proofs were stored in big wall cabinets, but the most precious were in a safety deposit box. Most negatives were 8x10. 4x5 were small format. Ignas or I would develop them in a small darkroom by shuffling them in trays. We'd put on a dim green light half-way through development to judge when each was done - not by looking through it, but by examining the reflection for shadow detail. Most of what I did was shuffling prints through solutions - hypo, hypo eliminator, gold toning for permanence, washing. I also proofed negatives on POP paper in frames near fluorescents -- now there is a way to get a long tonal range -- and was a general dog's body. ... > I've had the chance to see several showing of Karsh master prints, > the last a couple of years ago at Boston's MFA and I must tell you, > no amount of photoshop work and no digital process available for the > near-term could produce what this man did... His light and his > methods and his ways with his subjects all combined to produce > images of scale and strength that startles you into believing that > the essence each subject somehow found itself illuminated in the > print... Well, I think photoshop could be probably be used to match his prints, if you could stuff a hi-res scan of an 8x10 in. It would just take detailed work. But I understand that current digital printers have a hard time with black and white and keeping a good contrast range. > Reproductions do not do this man's work justice. Some of the books are pretty good. The earlier "Portraits of Greatness", not printed on glossy paper, seemed the best to me - the blacks were "inky." He went to a lot of trouble with that book. But the original prints do glow, especially in the larger sizes. The Chateau Laurier still displays some of his prints, I believe. So what did I learn? I learned mostly from the print judgings, of final prints and test prints. What was good, what was bad - in small details. I also learned about the details - taking care of things, the business of a studio. tOM Trottier ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 04:59:02 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:59:02 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Karsh References: <008001c22afc$03e28fe0$60e6b1d8@evegirard> <3D320F62.11110.67D2489@localhost> Message-ID: <016101c22bb3$f5625dc0$45e6b1d8@evegirard> Bless you, Tom. And thanks. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Trottier" To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: [KOML] Karsh On Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 20:38, Eric Goldstein wrote re "[KOML] Re: If a tree fell on KOMl . . ." saying: > "Eve Girard" wrote: > > > I just noticed on another list that the great Karsch has passed away > > today. I hope our fellow list-member and former Karsch employee, Tom, > > might be able to offer a word or two about the man. Well, he was a great craftsman/artist and socialite, focused and timid/gentle all at once. He had a strong sense of what was proper, even to the point of taking Churchill's cigar from him (but after a shot or two beforehand with the cigar, just to be sure) because he thought the cigar "undignified." He was sure not timid with me in the studio - was exactly clear what he wanted me (age ~22) to do. He preferred all his staff to know what he wanted before he knew it. His staff stayed with him for years. Ignas Gabalis, his darkroom person, worked for him for 38 years. He treated them all with respect. He saved his impatience for me and the rest of the outside world when he was in the studio. I was lucky to last a year. I was too curious and too careless for him. In 1968 when I worked for him, he charged local Ottawans $300 for a sitting with prints, other canadians $400, and americans $500 because he felt a loyalty to his home. Notables, of course, got their sitting free, though magazines sometimes paid for a string of sittings, like Fortune, Life, ... He charged $15 for hand-printed 8x10's then. For me it would have been 1/4 of my weekly salary. He got to shoot Churchill because he had made friends with the Ottawa social élite, and especially the prime minister, Mackenzie King. Small prints were made on paper one size bigger and lines were embossed around them to frame them. Most portraits were printed on a beigy stock. Only exhibition prints were on pure black and white paper, Dupont Velour, if I recall correctly. We always made more prints that were called for in orders, partly to compensate for accidents, and also to have a choice. If he were in town, he would usually make the final selection of the prints to be shipped. If not, Helga Graber and/or Ignas would choose, and the rest of the prints either stored for future orders or destroyed. All colour was handled outside - I seldom saw them. Most negatives and proofs were stored in big wall cabinets, but the most precious were in a safety deposit box. Most negatives were 8x10. 4x5 were small format. Ignas or I would develop them in a small darkroom by shuffling them in trays. We'd put on a dim green light half-way through development to judge when each was done - not by looking through it, but by examining the reflection for shadow detail. Most of what I did was shuffling prints through solutions - hypo, hypo eliminator, gold toning for permanence, washing. I also proofed negatives on POP paper in frames near fluorescents -- now there is a way to get a long tonal range -- and was a general dog's body. ... > I've had the chance to see several showing of Karsh master prints, > the last a couple of years ago at Boston's MFA and I must tell you, > no amount of photoshop work and no digital process available for the > near-term could produce what this man did... His light and his > methods and his ways with his subjects all combined to produce > images of scale and strength that startles you into believing that > the essence each subject somehow found itself illuminated in the > print... Well, I think photoshop could be probably be used to match his prints, if you could stuff a hi-res scan of an 8x10 in. It would just take detailed work. But I understand that current digital printers have a hard time with black and white and keeping a good contrast range. > Reproductions do not do this man's work justice. Some of the books are pretty good. The earlier "Portraits of Greatness", not printed on glossy paper, seemed the best to me - the blacks were "inky." He went to a lot of trouble with that book. But the original prints do glow, especially in the larger sizes. The Chateau Laurier still displays some of his prints, I believe. So what did I learn? I learned mostly from the print judgings, of final prints and test prints. What was good, what was bad - in small details. I also learned about the details - taking care of things, the business of a studio. tOM Trottier ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 05:21:53 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:21:53 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Karsh In-Reply-To: <3D320F62.11110.67D2489@localhost> Message-ID: "Tom Trottier" wrote: > Well, he was a great craftsman/artist and socialite, focused and > timid/gentle all at once. He had a strong sense of what was proper, What great stuff... Thank you so much Tom for taking the time and trouble... Very much appreciated... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 16:56:04 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:56:04 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Dark Slide interlock Message-ID: <20020715155606.GFXL8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> >>Isn't there an interlock to >>prevent tripping the shutter with the dark slide in? >>Well, there oughta be!! :-) There is an interlock on the 100's, 200's, etc to prevent firing the body release with the dark slide in, but I think it breaks pretty easily. Greg fixed the one on my 200 - it was broken when I bought it. It would fire any time, dark slide or not. And the interlock doesn't work when using a cable release, if I recall correctly. Best, Barry From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 19:14:22 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:14:22 -0400 Subject: [KOML] S T E R E O (was Re: The wait was excruciating) In-Reply-To: <3D322EA3.90E5B8F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Nancy Brown" wrote: > Eric, > What kind of viewing apparatus do you use? I`m already thinking of ways to > mount 2 Rapids side-by-side on a common rail.Using 2 cameras with 58mm > lenses, angled outward at the proper angle might allow you to create a "poor > man`s Roundshot" of sorts....sounds like fun, huh?. > Robert The best viewing option at this point is the SaturnScope found at the Rocky Mountain Memories web site I previously sent. They also have slide mounts for 66 and 645... Your panorama idea does sound like fun but not a concept to pursue for stereo. Unless you are shooting distant scenes (100+ feet) you want to try to preserve 3 inch image displacement between shots and these cameras are too big to get the lenses that close... The use of the 58 for stereo is a good idea in that stereo is a hyper-focus medium (whereas traditional flat photography is mostly a selective focus medium) and DOF throughout the scene is usually desirable at least to get started... MF turns out to be the best practical format to shoot stereo in that the chromes can be mounted side my side and you can still build an uncomplicated viewer (45 requires some sort of optical system beyond magnification). The brain is extremely sensitive to resolution (and grain) when viewing stereo pairs and so MF chromes allow for higher system res/lower viewing magnification than 35 mm... That being said, the least expensive way to get started is with your 35 MM camera, some cheap cardboard slide mounts, and a cheap steal-the-light viewer... Total investment about 20 bucks... Bogan makes a nice slide bar which you can find for about $40-$50; also Jasper Engineering products are a good choice (www.stereoscopy.com/jasper). Rollei (and others) also made proprietary slide bars for their cameras which can be picked up used... Feel free to ask anything else you might need to get started... From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 22:29:58 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:29:58 +0100 Subject: [KOML] Karsh In-Reply-To: <3D320F62.11110.67D2489@localhost> References: <008001c22afc$03e28fe0$60e6b1d8@evegirard> <3D320F62.11110.67D2489@localhost> Message-ID: At 11:55 pm -0400 14/7/02, Tom Trottier wrote: snip >Well, he was a great craftsman/artist and socialite, focused and >timid/gentle all at once. He had a strong sense of what was proper, >even to the point of taking Churchill's cigar from him (but after a >shot or two beforehand with the cigar, just to be sure) because he >thought the cigar "undignified." snip Tom, Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. Respect, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 23:51:39 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:51:39 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: The wait was excruciating References: <3D322EA3.90E5B8F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D3351FB.5D2BEDD5@earthlink.net> Jay, Thanks for sharing this info. Robert Jay Hipps wrote: > At 10:08 PM -0400 7/14/02, Nancy Brown wrote: > >Eric, > >What kind of viewing apparatus do you use? I`m already thinking of ways to > >mount 2 Rapids side-by-side on a common rail.Using 2 cameras with 58mm > >lenses, angled outward at the proper angle might allow you to create a "poor > >man`s Roundshot" of sorts....sounds like fun, huh? > > Actually, if you mount your camera in such a manner that it can be > rotated around the focal point of the lens, you can then scan the > results and assemble a 360-degree photo fairly easily. The Roundshot > has an advantage in that it shoots its entire panorama in a short > time, but the effect is still pretty good. If I may offer up one of > my own panoramas as an example -- > http://www.wordsandgraphics.com/pikeplace.html (a pano I made several > years ago at Pike Place Market in Seattle). (You have to have the > QuickTime plugin installed to see it and it probably will look dark > on PCs, since Windows uses a different gamma curve than Macintosh.) > > Cheers, > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 15 23:55:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:55:33 -0400 Subject: [KOML] S T E R E O (was Re: The wait was excruciating) References: Message-ID: <3D3352E5.FAF1B554@earthlink.net> Eric, Thanks for your help.I will have to experiment a bit with this..... Robert Eric Goldstein wrote: > "Nancy Brown" wrote: > > > Eric, > > What kind of viewing apparatus do you use? I`m already thinking of ways to > > mount 2 Rapids side-by-side on a common rail.Using 2 cameras with 58mm > > lenses, angled outward at the proper angle might allow you to create a "poor > > man`s Roundshot" of sorts....sounds like fun, huh?. > > Robert > > The best viewing option at this point is the SaturnScope found at the Rocky > Mountain Memories web site I previously sent. They also have slide mounts > for 66 and 645... > > Your panorama idea does sound like fun but not a concept to pursue for > stereo. Unless you are shooting distant scenes (100+ feet) you want to try > to preserve 3 inch image displacement between shots and these cameras are > too big to get the lenses that close... > > The use of the 58 for stereo is a good idea in that stereo is a hyper-focus > medium (whereas traditional flat photography is mostly a selective focus > medium) and DOF throughout the scene is usually desirable at least to get > started... > > MF turns out to be the best practical format to shoot stereo in that the > chromes can be mounted side my side and you can still build an uncomplicated > viewer (45 requires some sort of optical system beyond magnification). The > brain is extremely sensitive to resolution (and grain) when viewing stereo > pairs and so MF chromes allow for higher system res/lower viewing > magnification than 35 mm... > > That being said, the least expensive way to get started is with your 35 MM > camera, some cheap cardboard slide mounts, and a cheap steal-the-light > viewer... Total investment about 20 bucks... > > Bogan makes a nice slide bar which you can find for about $40-$50; also > Jasper Engineering products are a good choice (www.stereoscopy.com/jasper). > Rollei (and others) also made proprietary slide bars for their cameras which > can be picked up used... > > Feel free to ask anything else you might need to get started... > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 16 00:01:15 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:01:15 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Karsh Message-ID: <3D33543B.D78F3DAA@earthlink.net> Tom, Many thanks for giving us insight on this multi-talented man. Robert From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 16 00:32:26 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:32:26 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Dark Slide interlock References: <20020715155606.GFXL8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D335B8A.2804FDF5@earthlink.net> As I have only owned Rapids with removeable magazines,(Rapid M,200, & M) I can only speak about them, but on these models the interlock also serves to prevent inadvertant removal of the lens without the darkslide in place.When I was coverting a magazine into a homemade ground-glass back, I wanted to disable this function, and can tell you that like everything else on a Rapid, this is a solid, well-built device.I drilled a small diameter hole through the mag body and latch and pinned it in the"engaged" position,then used a Dremel tool with a cutoff wheel to remove the small tang that blocks the shutter release.Worked like a charm.... Robert Barry F wrote: > >>Isn't there an interlock to > >>prevent tripping the shutter with the dark slide in? > >>Well, there oughta be!! :-) > > There is an interlock on the 100's, 200's, etc to prevent firing the body release with the dark slide in, but I think it breaks pretty easily. Greg fixed the one on my 200 - it was broken when I bought it. It would fire any time, dark slide or not. And the interlock doesn't work when using a cable release, if I recall correctly. > > Best, > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 16 05:01:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:01:23 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Ping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eve is unusually quiet... No? Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 16 05:36:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:36:37 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Ping References: Message-ID: <00dd01c22c82$612cece0$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> Eric, I'm still here! Life has been just a little too full of late and I've been trying to stay calm and quiet. Stress overload. In addition to my electrolysis practice, I manage the data base for the salon in which I'm located. Imagine data produced by 20 some-odd hair-stylists! Oh, MY! Plus we have been using an advanced management software/booking package which was touted to us as better than sliced bread. They didn't mention that we are between Beta testing and release with the product. So now, I'm a software consultant to boot. ARGGHH! Plus I'm getting itchy feet. The urge to follow something special with camera in hand is tugging at me. Really a lot. I caught myself calculating what I could get for my business and most of my equipment in order to get a pair of F5's and trick lenses. My passport is in order . . . Oh, Hell, NOT another mid-life crisis!!!!! Welcome to Fantasy Island, Eve! Perhaps I'll grow up some day.......not! Give me a couple of days and it will pass - I hope. But catching Michael Schumacher in his prime - wow! Down, Girl! So pleased to see KOML chatter left, right and center. Keep it up! Even if I did get a pair of F5's, the Konis would stay. I'd love to shoot some big-time racing with them. A few weeks back I was standing at a corner of a Motocross race track. Keeping my hand in, so to speak. Just a local club race day, kids and wannabe's. I think that's what set me off. I was thinking that not that long ago, I was on a corner at Silverstone and now I'm in Tenino, Wa, shooting kids on dirtbikes. Pity Party! Life is a matter of choices. So, Eric, that's why I've been quiet. Just trying to quell the Gypsy inside. I have some heavy travelling to do next month, maybe that will help. Ok, rant ended! I have managed to toss a K-O mention in and have mentioned photography in general. Still beats discussing dents on Nikons! All my Best! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Goldstein" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: [KOML] Ping > Eve is unusually quiet... No? > > > Eric Goldstein > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 16 14:31:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 9:31:42 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Ping Message-ID: <20020716133142.PNZU8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Hey, Eve, So where are you travelling next month? Just nosy, I guess. You don't have to answer. I'm leaving for my annual sabbatical in Maine this Friday, so probably won't be on the list much for about three weeks. Haven't decided whether to take the Koni (oh, I know, what a traitor). I'm not familiar enough with it yet, and it takes up room, which is a precious commodity in a van full of family. So I may take my Konica standby's, with which I have been travelling for over 20 years. I haven't gotten a good case for the Koni yet either. Sure don't want to damage the thing after I just paid to get it all fixed up. The trip this year will be shorter. I usually take three weeks and go rusticate in Cherryfield, Maine, the land of my birth. Town has about six hundred people, but we live OUTSIDE of town. We're taking grandma (wife's mom) home this year, and I'm only getting about a week at home. Nice place to take pictures, though. Just seven miles up the Narraguagus River from the ocean. Take a day off from your databases, and go take some pictures. You'll feel better. Best, Barry > > From: "Eve Girard" > Date: 2002/07/16 Tue AM 12:36:37 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [KOML] Ping > > Eric, > I'm still here! Life has been just a little too full of late and I've > been trying to stay calm and quiet. Stress overload. In addition to my > electrolysis practice, I manage the data base for the salon in which I'm > located. Imagine data produced by 20 some-odd hair-stylists! Oh, MY! Plus > we have been using an advanced management software/booking package which was > touted to us as better than sliced bread. They didn't mention that we are > between Beta testing and release with the product. So now, I'm a software > consultant to boot. ARGGHH! > Plus I'm getting itchy feet. The urge to follow something special with > camera in hand is tugging at me. Really a lot. I caught myself calculating > what I could get for my business and most of my equipment in order to get a > pair of F5's and trick lenses. My passport is in order . . . Oh, Hell, NOT > another mid-life crisis!!!!! Welcome to Fantasy Island, Eve! Perhaps I'll > grow up some day.......not! > Give me a couple of days and it will pass - I hope. But catching > Michael Schumacher in his prime - wow! > Down, Girl! > So pleased to see KOML chatter left, right and center. Keep it up! > Even if I did get a pair of F5's, the Konis would stay. I'd love to > shoot some big-time racing with them. A few weeks back I was standing at a > corner of a Motocross race track. Keeping my hand in, so to speak. Just a > local club race day, kids and wannabe's. I think that's what set me off. I > was thinking that not that long ago, I was on a corner at Silverstone and > now I'm in Tenino, Wa, shooting kids on dirtbikes. Pity Party! Life is a > matter of choices. > So, Eric, that's why I've been quiet. Just trying to quell the Gypsy > inside. I have some heavy travelling to do next month, maybe that will > help. > Ok, rant ended! I have managed to toss a K-O mention in and have > mentioned photography in general. > Still beats discussing dents on Nikons! > All my Best! > Eve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Goldstein" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:01 PM > Subject: [KOML] Ping > > > > Eve is unusually quiet... No? > > > > > > Eric Goldstein > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 16 15:18:14 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:18:14 -0400 Subject: [KOML] 135/3.5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367024013&ssPageName=ADM E:B:SS:US:1 I have no knowledge or association with the above... Just passing it along... Hope a list member wins... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 16 15:49:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:49:13 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Ping In-Reply-To: <00dd01c22c82$612cece0$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: "Eve Girard" wrote: > Plus I'm getting itchy feet. The urge to follow something special with > camera in hand is tugging at me. Really a lot. Is it the urge to follow something special or to chase it? In any event hang in there Eve... All will be better soon... At least it is only the feet that are itchy ;-) Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 16 21:52:24 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:52:24 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Ping References: Message-ID: <01df01c22d0a$b0cc5820$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> > Is it the urge to follow something special or to chase it? Eric, I do confess you have summed me up rather nicely! I have always been "after" something. A life-long curse. I'm the pack of hounds baying loudly hot in pursuit of whatever. Often without direction. Depression haunts me and I run to escape as well. If I'm moving, I'm safe. Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 16 22:16:15 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:16:15 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Ping In-Reply-To: <01df01c22d0a$b0cc5820$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3454DF.7169.F5C930F@localhost> Dear Eve, I think some people need a buzz, need action, like whizzing race cars, just to soothe their souls, while others might contemplate a Zen garden with all those stationary stones. I guess electrolysis doesn't do it for you. Maybe you should freelance for the local paper or TV station? Chase ambulances? - with your Omega or the newest Canon D60 (see http://www.luminous-landscape.com )? Tom On Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 13:52, Eve Girard wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Ping" saying: > > > > Is it the urge to follow something special or to chase it? > > Eric, > I do confess you have summed me up rather nicely! I have always been > "after" something. A life-long curse. I'm the pack of hounds baying loudly > hot in pursuit of whatever. Often without direction. > Depression haunts me and I run to escape as well. If I'm moving, I'm safe. > > Eve > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 16 22:32:50 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Craig Zeni) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:32:50 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Ping In-Reply-To: <3D3454DF.7169.F5C930F@localhost> References: <01df01c22d0a$b0cc5820$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020716173133.021754f0@pop.mindspring.com> At 05:16 PM 7/16/2002, you wrote: >Dear Eve, > >I think some people need a buzz, need action, like whizzing race cars, >just to soothe their souls, while others might contemplate a Zen garden >with all those stationary stones. Railways do it for me. I use my Rapid for b&w 'roster shots', but my action photography is done with 35mm...link below shows some of it. Y'all come to laugh and point. Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot com http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 02:59:06 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:59:06 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Ping Message-ID: <20020717015906.XWDF4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Craig: The train shots are great. Always liked photos of the big iron. They all look the same in Oklahoma now, so I don't get much chance at variety. Anyway, thanks for the photos. Best, Barry > > From: Craig Zeni > Date: 2002/07/16 Tue PM 05:32:50 EDT > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Ping > > At 05:16 PM 7/16/2002, you wrote: > >Dear Eve, > > > >I think some people need a buzz, need action, like whizzing race cars, > >just to soothe their souls, while others might contemplate a Zen garden > >with all those stationary stones. > > Railways do it for me. I use my Rapid for b&w 'roster shots', but my > action photography is done with 35mm...link below shows some of it. Y'all > come to laugh and point. > > > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot com > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > > Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 03:55:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:55:33 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Ping References: <01df01c22d0a$b0cc5820$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D34DCA5.799D52B3@earthlink.net> Eve, Melancholy is best sampled in small doses.Rainbows can be elusive..... Robert Eve Girard wrote: > > Is it the urge to follow something special or to chase it? > > Eric, > I do confess you have summed me up rather nicely! I have always been > "after" something. A life-long curse. I'm the pack of hounds baying loudly > hot in pursuit of whatever. Often without direction. > Depression haunts me and I run to escape as well. If I'm moving, I'm safe. > > Eve > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 06:23:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:23:43 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Eve's Blues Message-ID: <02f201c22d52$1eda8200$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> To all my list-friends, Thank you so much for your nice words and ideas. I feel blessed to be part of such a family! I'll be ok in a day or so. Just part of life that makes the good times better! Warmest regards, Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 06:25:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Ping In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020716173133.021754f0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020717052536.58572.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for sharing, Craig! Fun stuff, and some nice angles. I like big machines, too, though I haven't photographed them a whole lot. A few boats here & there (as befits my watery NW origins). I find commercial ports w/their container boats and huge cranes fascinating. One day I may stow away on one of those freighters ... I think that's more my speed than a Princess cruise! One of these months I'll get around to putting up my own page, then you can all come amuse yourselves at MY expense. -Paul --- Craig Zeni wrote: > At 05:16 PM 7/16/2002, you wrote: > >Dear Eve, > > > >I think some people need a buzz, need action, like > whizzing race cars, > >just to soothe their souls, while others might > contemplate a Zen garden > >with all those stationary stones. > > Railways do it for me. I use my Rapid for b&w > 'roster shots', but my > action photography is done with 35mm...link below > shows some of it. Y'all > come to laugh and point. > > > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot > com > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > > Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 06:29:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:29:08 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Ping References: <01df01c22d0a$b0cc5820$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> <5.1.0.14.2.20020716173133.021754f0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <030001c22d52$e0347e60$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> Craig, I share your train passion. Up in this part of the woods it was Shays, Heislers and a Climax or two. The woods used to swarm with temporary logging roads. Here's one for the steam junlies in the crowd. When I was a wee lass, my folks went across the US by train. We stopped in Reno, westbound, and I still remember hiking down with my dad to see the locomotive. The one pulling us has escaped my memory but the cab-forward leaving the yard headed over Donner pass will always stay with me. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Zeni" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Ping > At 05:16 PM 7/16/2002, you wrote: > >Dear Eve, > > > >I think some people need a buzz, need action, like whizzing race cars, > >just to soothe their souls, while others might contemplate a Zen garden > >with all those stationary stones. > > Railways do it for me. I use my Rapid for b&w 'roster shots', but my > action photography is done with 35mm...link below shows some of it. Y'all > come to laugh and point. > > > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot com > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > > Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 06:33:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Dark Slide interlock In-Reply-To: <3D335B8A.2804FDF5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020717053319.47430.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Belated thanks to Robert, Barry & Clive for the interlock info., and to Barbara, Clive et al. RE the digital proofing pros & cons! Much appreciated. Regards, -Paul --- Nancy Brown wrote: > As I have only owned Rapids with removeable > magazines,(Rapid M,200, & M) I can only speak about > them, but on these models the interlock also serves > to prevent inadvertant removal of the lens without > the darkslide in place.When I was coverting a > magazine into a homemade ground-glass back, I wanted > to disable this function, and can tell > you that like everything else on a Rapid, this is a > solid, well-built device.I drilled a small diameter > hole through the mag body and latch and pinned it in > the"engaged" position,then used a Dremel tool with a > cutoff wheel to remove the small tang that blocks > the shutter release.Worked like a charm.... > Robert > > Barry F wrote: > > > >>Isn't there an interlock to > > >>prevent tripping the shutter with the dark slide > in? > > >>Well, there oughta be!! :-) > > > > There is an interlock on the 100's, 200's, etc to > prevent firing the body release with the dark slide > in, but I think it breaks pretty easily. Greg fixed > the one on my 200 - it was broken when I bought it. > It would fire any time, dark slide or not. And the > interlock doesn't work when using a cable release, > if I recall correctly. > > > > Best, > > Barry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 06:35:34 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Ping In-Reply-To: <030001c22d52$e0347e60$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020717053534.47604.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Steamy passions and a Climax or two! Eve, you drive me to distraction. -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > Craig, > I share your train passion. Up in this part of > the woods it was Shays, > Heislers and a Climax or two. The woods used to > swarm with temporary > logging roads. Here's one for the steam junlies in > the crowd. When I was a > wee lass, my folks went across the US by train. We > stopped in Reno, > westbound, and I still remember hiking down with my > dad to see the > locomotive. The one pulling us has escaped my > memory but the cab-forward > leaving the yard headed over Donner pass will always > stay with me. > Eve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Zeni" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Ping > > > > At 05:16 PM 7/16/2002, you wrote: > > >Dear Eve, > > > > > >I think some people need a buzz, need action, > like whizzing race cars, > > >just to soothe their souls, while others might > contemplate a Zen garden > > >with all those stationary stones. > > > > Railways do it for me. I use my Rapid for b&w > 'roster shots', but my > > action photography is done with 35mm...link below > shows some of it. > Y'all > > come to laugh and point. > > > > > > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot > com > > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > > > > Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 06:40:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:40:23 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Ping References: <20020717053534.47604.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <035301c22d54$72f29b00$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> howling with laughter!!!!! Too funny! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Ping > Steamy passions and a Climax or two! Eve, you drive > me to distraction. > > -Paul > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > Craig, > > I share your train passion. Up in this part of > > the woods it was Shays, > > Heislers and a Climax or two. The woods used to > > swarm with temporary > > logging roads. Here's one for the steam junlies in > > the crowd. When I was a > > wee lass, my folks went across the US by train. We > > stopped in Reno, > > westbound, and I still remember hiking down with my > > dad to see the > > locomotive. The one pulling us has escaped my > > memory but the cab-forward > > leaving the yard headed over Donner pass will always > > stay with me. > > Eve > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Craig Zeni" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Ping > > > > > > > At 05:16 PM 7/16/2002, you wrote: > > > >Dear Eve, > > > > > > > >I think some people need a buzz, need action, > > like whizzing race cars, > > > >just to soothe their souls, while others might > > contemplate a Zen garden > > > >with all those stationary stones. > > > > > > Railways do it for me. I use my Rapid for b&w > > 'roster shots', but my > > > action photography is done with 35mm...link below > > shows some of it. > > Y'all > > > come to laugh and point. > > > > > > > > > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring dot > > com > > > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > > > > > > Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 06:50:10 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Ping In-Reply-To: <035301c22d54$72f29b00$c2e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020717055010.78548.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Mission accomplished (at least for the moment)! :-) You keep serving up the grapefruit, Eve, and I'll keep swinging for the fences. -P. --- Eve Girard wrote: > howling with laughter!!!!! Too funny! > Eve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul R." > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:35 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Ping > > > > Steamy passions and a Climax or two! Eve, you > drive > > me to distraction. > > > > -Paul > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > Craig, > > > I share your train passion. Up in this part > of > > > the woods it was Shays, > > > Heislers and a Climax or two. The woods used to > > > swarm with temporary > > > logging roads. Here's one for the steam junlies > in > > > the crowd. When I was a > > > wee lass, my folks went across the US by train. > We > > > stopped in Reno, > > > westbound, and I still remember hiking down with > my > > > dad to see the > > > locomotive. The one pulling us has escaped my > > > memory but the cab-forward > > > leaving the yard headed over Donner pass will > always > > > stay with me. > > > Eve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Craig Zeni" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Ping > > > > > > > > > > At 05:16 PM 7/16/2002, you wrote: > > > > >Dear Eve, > > > > > > > > > >I think some people need a buzz, need action, > > > like whizzing race cars, > > > > >just to soothe their souls, while others > might > > > contemplate a Zen garden > > > > >with all those stationary stones. > > > > > > > > Railways do it for me. I use my Rapid for b&w > > > 'roster shots', but my > > > > action photography is done with 35mm...link > below > > > shows some of it. > > > Y'all > > > > come to laugh and point. > > > > > > > > > > > > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -- clzeni at mindspring > dot > > > com > > > > > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > > > > > > > > Certified Car Wash Lifeguard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > KOML mailing list > > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 16:24:16 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jon Fjortoft) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:24:16 -0500 Subject: [KOML] film advance Message-ID: Hi, I've been getting some very nice pictures from a recently acquired Koni = 200. However, I've only been getting 7 or 8 pictures per roll (120 film = back) with large gaps between some of the exposures. I'm wondering if my film back needs some adjusting, or if I just need to = figure out the right 'touch' for advancing the film. thanks for any help on this Jon From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 17:17:22 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Kim Hartshorn) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [KOML] film advance Message-ID: <01KK78R0WDV6001I6S@plattsburgh.edu> Date sent: 17-JUL-2002 12:07:54 Is the counter working? When the film advance hits ten it will not advance unless you release advance lever...the little slide button to the right of the counter window. (this is often broken and needs to be slid with a key or knife tip or something)...then advance the film until load appears in the window. When loading the film advance the flim by hand(not using the film advance rachet) by rotating the takeup spool with your fingers until the start arrow on the film back lines up with the small red dot on the takeup spool spindle. At that point mount the back on the camera and advance the film with the ratchet through the dots...(can't remember off hand but think there are 3 then 2 until 1 appears in the window. My guess is that you are using the ratchet advance to take up the leader of the film and so by the time you get started the counter is on 2 or 3. Since 120 film advances by being pulled onto the spool instead of using a film sprocket system like 35mm as the film winds onto the spool the spool needs to turn less because the effective diameter increases as it takes up film. That is why the rapid advance ratchet is geared so that with each advance it does not return as far as it did the time before. If you use the rapid advance to advance the leader then the spacing will be off between the negatives. Hope this helps Kim From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 17:43:20 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jon Fjortoft) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:43:20 -0500 Subject: [KOML] film advance Message-ID: Thanks, Kim, for all your comments. What I've been doing as far as loading = and advancing film actually matches up with the procedures you have = described. Everything appears to be in sync as far as the film starting = and finishing where it should. The first and last exposures seem to be = where they should be. The skips or gaps that occur are more towards the = middle of the roll. Maybe my counter is skipping. I figured with only 10 = pictures to keep track of I'd be aware of a skip, but then, 'precision' = is not my middle name. Jon >>> w.hartshorn@plattsburgh.edu 07/17/02 11:17AM >>> Date sent: 17-JUL-2002 12:07:54=20 Is the counter working? When the film advance hits ten it will not advance unless you release=20 advance lever...the little slide button to the right of the counter = window. (this is often broken and needs to be slid with a key or knife tip or=20 something)...then advance the film until load appears in the window. When loading the film advance the flim by hand(not using the film = advance=20 rachet) by rotating the takeup spool with your fingers until the start=20 arrow on the film back lines up with the small red dot on the takeup = spool=20 spindle. At that point mount the back on the camera and advance the = film=20 with the ratchet through the dots...(can't remember off hand but think=20 there are 3 then 2 until 1 appears in the window. My guess is that you are using the ratchet advance to take up the leader = of=20 the film and so by the time you get started the counter is on 2 or 3. =20 Since 120 film advances by being pulled onto the spool instead of using=20 a film sprocket system like 35mm as the film winds onto the spool the = spool=20 needs to turn less because the effective diameter increases as it takes = up=20 film. That is why the rapid advance ratchet is geared so that with = each=20 advance it does not return as far as it did the time before. If you = use=20 the rapid advance to advance the leader then the spacing will be off=20 between the negatives. Hope this helps Kim _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org=20 http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 18:20:04 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:20:04 -0400 Subject: [KOML] film advance Message-ID: <20020717172005.PKYD1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Hi, Jon, When the backs get some age on them (and what Koni back doesn't have age on it?) the winding mechanism lubricant dries out. It becomes hard to advance sometimes, and sometimes it slips. Greg Weber can tell you if you need the back adjusted and/or lubricated. Just had one done a couple of months ago. Best, Barry > > From: "Jon Fjortoft" > Date: 2002/07/17 Wed PM 12:43:20 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [KOML] film advance > > Thanks, Kim, for all your comments. What I've been doing as far as loading and advancing film actually matches up with the procedures you have described. Everything appears to be in sync as far as the film starting and finishing where it should. The first and last exposures seem to be where they should be. The skips or gaps that occur are more towards the middle of the roll. Maybe my counter is skipping. I figured with only 10 pictures to keep track of I'd be aware of a skip, but then, 'precision' is not my middle name. > Jon > > >>> w.hartshorn@plattsburgh.edu 07/17/02 11:17AM >>> > Date sent: 17-JUL-2002 12:07:54 > Is the counter working? > > When the film advance hits ten it will not advance unless you release > advance lever...the little slide button to the right of the counter window. > (this is often broken and needs to be slid with a key or knife tip or > something)...then advance the film until load appears in the window. > > When loading the film advance the flim by hand(not using the film advance > rachet) by rotating the takeup spool with your fingers until the start > arrow on the film back lines up with the small red dot on the takeup spool > spindle. At that point mount the back on the camera and advance the film > with the ratchet through the dots...(can't remember off hand but think > there are 3 then 2 until 1 appears in the window. > > My guess is that you are using the ratchet advance to take up the leader of > the film and so by the time you get started the counter is on 2 or 3. > Since 120 film advances by being pulled onto the spool instead of using > a film sprocket system like 35mm as the film winds onto the spool the spool > needs to turn less because the effective diameter increases as it takes up > film. That is why the rapid advance ratchet is geared so that with each > advance it does not return as far as it did the time before. If you use > the rapid advance to advance the leader then the spacing will be off > between the negatives. > > Hope this helps > > Kim > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 19:20:30 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jon Fjortoft) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:20:30 -0500 Subject: [KOML] film advance Message-ID: Hi Barry, I bet that's it---it needs some lubrication. Appreciate the info. I'll go = ahead and contact Greg Weber. thanks much, Jon >>> afs760bf@cox.net 07/17/02 12:20PM >>> Hi, Jon, When the backs get some age on them (and what Koni back doesn't have age = on it?) the winding mechanism lubricant dries out. It becomes hard to = advance sometimes, and sometimes it slips. Greg Weber can tell you if you = need the back adjusted and/or lubricated. Just had one done a couple of = months ago. Best, Barry >=20 > From: "Jon Fjortoft" > Date: 2002/07/17 Wed PM 12:43:20 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [KOML] film advance >=20 > Thanks, Kim, for all your comments. What I've been doing as far as = loading and advancing film actually matches up with the procedures you = have described. Everything appears to be in sync as far as the film = starting and finishing where it should. The first and last exposures seem = to be where they should be. The skips or gaps that occur are more towards = the middle of the roll. Maybe my counter is skipping. I figured with only = 10 pictures to keep track of I'd be aware of a skip, but then, 'precision' = is not my middle name. > Jon >=20 > >>> w.hartshorn@plattsburgh.edu 07/17/02 11:17AM >>> > Date sent: 17-JUL-2002 12:07:54=20 > Is the counter working? >=20 > When the film advance hits ten it will not advance unless you release=20 > advance lever...the little slide button to the right of the counter = window. > (this is often broken and needs to be slid with a key or knife tip or=20 > something)...then advance the film until load appears in the window. >=20 > When loading the film advance the flim by hand(not using the film = advance=20 > rachet) by rotating the takeup spool with your fingers until the = start=20 > arrow on the film back lines up with the small red dot on the takeup = spool=20 > spindle. At that point mount the back on the camera and advance the = film=20 > with the ratchet through the dots...(can't remember off hand but = think=20 > there are 3 then 2 until 1 appears in the window. >=20 > My guess is that you are using the ratchet advance to take up the leader = of=20 > the film and so by the time you get started the counter is on 2 or 3. = =20 > Since 120 film advances by being pulled onto the spool instead of = using=20 > a film sprocket system like 35mm as the film winds onto the spool the = spool=20 > needs to turn less because the effective diameter increases as it takes = up=20 > film. That is why the rapid advance ratchet is geared so that with = each=20 > advance it does not return as far as it did the time before. If you = use=20 > the rapid advance to advance the leader then the spacing will be off=20 > between the negatives. >=20 > Hope this helps >=20 > Kim >=20 > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org=20 > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org=20 > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org=20 http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 21:23:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:23:13 -0700 Subject: [KOML] film advance References: <20020717172005.PKYD1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <00a001c22dcf$c7d80b20$fce6b1d8@evegirard> And if you're feeling ambitious, try http://members.tripod.com/randamteagarden/id31.htm Great directions on clutch lubing. I've done a couple of backs for friends via this technique. Worked for me. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry F" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Re: [KOML] film advance > Hi, Jon, > When the backs get some age on them (and what Koni back doesn't have age on it?) the winding mechanism lubricant dries out. It becomes hard to advance sometimes, and sometimes it slips. Greg Weber can tell you if you need the back adjusted and/or lubricated. Just had one done a couple of months ago. > Best, > Barry > > > > From: "Jon Fjortoft" > > Date: 2002/07/17 Wed PM 12:43:20 EDT > > To: > > Subject: Re: [KOML] film advance > > > > Thanks, Kim, for all your comments. What I've been doing as far as loading and advancing film actually matches up with the procedures you have described. Everything appears to be in sync as far as the film starting and finishing where it should. The first and last exposures seem to be where they should be. The skips or gaps that occur are more towards the middle of the roll. Maybe my counter is skipping. I figured with only 10 pictures to keep track of I'd be aware of a skip, but then, 'precision' is not my middle name. > > Jon > > > > >>> w.hartshorn@plattsburgh.edu 07/17/02 11:17AM >>> > > Date sent: 17-JUL-2002 12:07:54 > > Is the counter working? > > > > When the film advance hits ten it will not advance unless you release > > advance lever...the little slide button to the right of the counter window. > > (this is often broken and needs to be slid with a key or knife tip or > > something)...then advance the film until load appears in the window. > > > > When loading the film advance the flim by hand(not using the film advance > > rachet) by rotating the takeup spool with your fingers until the start > > arrow on the film back lines up with the small red dot on the takeup spool > > spindle. At that point mount the back on the camera and advance the film > > with the ratchet through the dots...(can't remember off hand but think > > there are 3 then 2 until 1 appears in the window. > > > > My guess is that you are using the ratchet advance to take up the leader of > > the film and so by the time you get started the counter is on 2 or 3. > > Since 120 film advances by being pulled onto the spool instead of using > > a film sprocket system like 35mm as the film winds onto the spool the spool > > needs to turn less because the effective diameter increases as it takes up > > film. That is why the rapid advance ratchet is geared so that with each > > advance it does not return as far as it did the time before. If you use > > the rapid advance to advance the leader then the spacing will be off > > between the negatives. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Kim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 21:55:35 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:55:35 -0400 Subject: [KOML] film advance References: Message-ID: <3D35D9C7.F38BE4E1@earthlink.net> Jon, This might be a good time to sacrifice a roll of film to the Koni Gods.Try this: Load the film in the normal manner, then remove the lens and dark slide.With a felt-tip pen, reach in thru the darkslide opening and trace around the opening with the pen.Advance to frame 2 and repeat.I have found that it is best to use a relatively quick, "snappy" (but not too forceful) stroke on the advance knob, trying to duplicate that stroke every time.Work your way thru the entire roll like this.After frame 10, wind off the end of the film and remove it from the camera. Unrolling and examining the film will reveal any deficiencies in spacing.Good luck! Robert Jon Fjortoft wrote: > Hi, > I've been getting some very nice pictures from a recently acquired Koni 200. However, I've only been getting 7 or 8 pictures per roll (120 film back) with large gaps between some of the exposures. > I'm wondering if my film back needs some adjusting, or if I just need to figure out the right 'touch' for advancing the film. > thanks for any help on this > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 22:08:38 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:08:38 -0400 Subject: [KOML] film advance In-Reply-To: <3D35D9C7.F38BE4E1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D35A496.15549.147BF618@localhost> Outdated, stale film from the junk bin of your camera store might be an ideal candidate for the job. Tom On Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 16:55, Nancy Brown wrote re "Re: [KOML] film advance" saying: > Jon, > This might be a good time to sacrifice a roll of film to the Koni Gods.Try this: Load the film in the normal manner, then remove the lens and dark slide.With a felt-tip pen, reach in thru the > darkslide opening and trace around the opening with the pen.Advance to frame 2 and repeat.I have found that it is best to use a relatively quick, "snappy" (but not too forceful) stroke on the advance > knob, trying to duplicate that stroke every time.Work your way thru the entire roll like this.After frame 10, wind off the end of the film and remove it from the camera. Unrolling and examining the > film will reveal any deficiencies in spacing.Good luck! > Robert > > Jon Fjortoft wrote: > > > Hi, > > I've been getting some very nice pictures from a recently acquired Koni 200. However, I've only been getting 7 or 8 pictures per roll (120 film back) with large gaps between some of the exposures. > > I'm wondering if my film back needs some adjusting, or if I just need to figure out the right 'touch' for advancing the film. > > thanks for any help on this > > Jon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 22:35:16 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Clive Warren) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:35:16 +0100 Subject: [KOML] film advance In-Reply-To: <3D35A496.15549.147BF618@localhost> References: <3D35A496.15549.147BF618@localhost> Message-ID: At 5:08 pm -0400 17/7/02, Tom Trottier wrote: >Outdated, stale film from the junk bin of your camera store might be an >ideal candidate for the job. > >Tom > snip You can also use the backing paper from 120 film rolls that remains after processing. Reverse roll the paper so that the yellow or white side faces the lens, load as normal and mark away with a felt tip pen through the throat of the camera after each advance stroke. Not quite as accurate as using film with the backing but gives you a quick ball park on a suspect back. Cheers, Clive From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 17 22:46:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jon Fjortoft) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:46:42 -0500 Subject: [KOML] film advance Message-ID: Thanks to all of you for your helpful tips regarding film advance: I'm = looking forward to going 10 for 10 for the first time sometime soon , with = this Rapid 200. all the best, Jon >>> cocam@blueyonder.co.uk 07/17/02 04:35PM >>> At 5:08 pm -0400 17/7/02, Tom Trottier wrote: >Outdated, stale film from the junk bin of your camera store might be an >ideal candidate for the job. > >Tom > snip You can also use the backing paper from 120 film rolls that remains=20 after processing. Reverse roll the paper so that the yellow or white=20 side faces the lens, load as normal and mark away with a felt tip pen=20 through the throat of the camera after each advance stroke. Not=20 quite as accurate as using film with the backing but gives you a=20 quick ball park on a suspect back. Cheers, Clive _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org=20 http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 18 09:09:40 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:09:40 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Ping Again, please . . . Message-ID: <01e501c22e32$78124160$fce6b1d8@evegirard> Hey, Eric, Could you please contact me off list? Your server and mine hate each other as everything bounces back. :>( Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 05:26:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:26:52 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Ping Once More Message-ID: <010201c22edc$829b64e0$f5e6b1d8@evegirard> (Sorry to take up space with this) Eric, My return addy is being bounced by your server. Says it's being rejected! What to do? Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 07:33:05 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:33:05 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! Message-ID: <014501c22eee$2415d560$f5e6b1d8@evegirard> Hello, all. I wanted to apologize if I've sounded awfully flakey lately. I got in to my doc's today; the diagnosis was a medication conflict. Apparently my tried-and-true anti-depressant does not like the new crop of hay-fever meds. Whew! I feel better already just knowing that. So, I apologize for sounding even more of a nut-case than I usually do! I'm kinda embarrassed for sounding like the poster-girl for SSRI's. I was also told that my life-long border-line anemia is on the wrong side of the scale. Oh MY, that poor fly-boy is buyin' fillet tomorrow night! I pity da fool! Great. Now that I've burned off more bandwidth, I suppose we should talk cameras, at least! A very lovely gentleman has just given me a Leitz Valoy enlarger. It's a semi-project, but I can forgive as it may even pre-date me! I know it's strictly a 35mm unit (or smaller) but it is the cat's behind in terms of rigidity and alignment. I should have it up and running this weekend. I did have just enough room in the darkroom to plant it. So, this leads me to ask: do we print our own or send 'em out? Who does what? Any favorite things out there? Enlargers, light sources, developers, papers? Or are we a transparency crowd? C'mon, we can talk about it! What do we do with our fabulous Koni images? I mean, this is why we have the darned things isn't it? How do we get to our final, finished product? I don't do color that often. When I do, out it goes to a friendly and capable lab. The bulk of my work is self-processed and printed. I do my own mounting and matting. My darkroom is full, yet functional. I have 4 enlargers (now) from 35mm to 8x10. I don't use Jobo or any automated systems. All film is hand-agitated and all prints are hand-done by my own loving hands. I try to do my own spotting, etc, but if it's really special, I have a talented friend who steps in. I know there are other lists for this topic, but I am assuming that the darkroom is a logical link in the K-O chain. Let's talk? Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 08:16:04 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! In-Reply-To: <014501c22eee$2415d560$f5e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020719071604.26208.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> No worries, Eve. Sneezy, Wheezy or Dopey, we love you just the same -- though we prefer you to be happy, of course! As for getting to final products, I rarely get beyond lovingly admiring my transparencies on the light table. Sometimes I'll scan a few and e-mail them to friends. Then I'm off to shoot more! I really should get more of my images printed. A lack of wall space is one disincentive, then there's my pesky perfectionist streak, plus a bit of Eve-like restlessness (it's the chasing, not the having). At the risk of getting drummed out of the group, I'll admit that I wonder whether I'll ever have a real (vs. digital) darkroom. I'm mostly a color shooter. And as I approach 40 with no hint of real estate lust, I don't know if I'll ever have enough space. At present if I bring home anything larger than a VHS tape, I have to get rid of something else. And now I shall yield the floor to those who actually have something to say! -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > Hello, all. > I wanted to apologize if I've sounded awfully > flakey lately. I got in > to my doc's today; the diagnosis was a medication > conflict. Apparently > my tried-and-true anti-depressant does not like the > new crop of hay-fever > meds. Whew! I feel better already just knowing > that. So, I apologize for > sounding even more of a nut-case than I usually do! > I'm kinda embarrassed > for sounding like the poster-girl for SSRI's. > I was also told that my life-long border-line > anemia is on the wrong > side of the scale. Oh MY, > that poor fly-boy is buyin' fillet tomorrow night! > I pity da fool! > Great. Now that I've burned off more bandwidth, > I suppose we should > talk cameras, at least! A very lovely gentleman has > just given me a Leitz > Valoy enlarger. It's a semi-project, but I can > forgive as it may even > pre-date me! I know it's strictly a 35mm unit (or > smaller) but it is the > cat's behind in terms of rigidity and alignment. I > should have it up and > running this weekend. I did have just enough room > in the darkroom to plant > it. So, this leads me to ask: do we print our own > or send 'em out? Who > does what? Any favorite things out there? > Enlargers, light sources, > developers, papers? Or are we a transparency crowd? > C'mon, we can talk > about it! What do we do with our fabulous Koni > images? > I mean, this is why we have the darned things isn't > it? How do we get to > our final, finished product? > I don't do color that often. When I do, out it > goes to a friendly and > capable lab. The bulk of my work is self-processed > and printed. I do my > own mounting and matting. My darkroom is full, yet > functional. I have 4 > enlargers (now) from 35mm to 8x10. I don't use Jobo > or any automated > systems. > All film is hand-agitated and all prints are > hand-done by my own loving > hands. I try to do my own spotting, etc, but if > it's really special, I have > a talented friend who steps in. > I know there are other lists for this topic, but > I am assuming that the > darkroom is a logical link in the K-O chain. > Let's talk? > Eve > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 08:29:47 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:29:47 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! References: <20020719071604.26208.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <016f01c22ef6$10824300$f5e6b1d8@evegirard> Paul, Paul, Paul, Whatever are we going to do with you! Seriously, a darkroom is not a pre-req for owning a K-O. My nose is simply twitching for a unifying topic for a day or so! I guess my query was "you've used the camera, now what?" At least you're having the film processed! Digital works, too. I'm just having a case of nose here. Not everyone has the time or inclination to flounder about in the dark for hours at a time. And, as in your case, not everyone has the zoneage to do it. And, you betcha! The chase is everything! ;>) Eve (Sneezy, et al have gone to bed . . .) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! > No worries, Eve. Sneezy, Wheezy or Dopey, we love you > just the same -- though we prefer you to be happy, of > course! > > As for getting to final products, I rarely get beyond > lovingly admiring my transparencies on the light > table. Sometimes I'll scan a few and e-mail them to > friends. Then I'm off to shoot more! I really should > get more of my images printed. A lack of wall space > is one disincentive, then there's my pesky > perfectionist streak, plus a bit of Eve-like > restlessness (it's the chasing, not the having). > > At the risk of getting drummed out of the group, I'll > admit that I wonder whether I'll ever have a real (vs. > digital) darkroom. I'm mostly a color shooter. And > as I approach 40 with no hint of real estate lust, I > don't know if I'll ever have enough space. At present > if I bring home anything larger than a VHS tape, I > have to get rid of something else. > > And now I shall yield the floor to those who actually > have something to say! > > -Paul > > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > Hello, all. > > I wanted to apologize if I've sounded awfully > > flakey lately. I got in > > to my doc's today; the diagnosis was a medication > > conflict. Apparently > > my tried-and-true anti-depressant does not like the > > new crop of hay-fever > > meds. Whew! I feel better already just knowing > > that. So, I apologize for > > sounding even more of a nut-case than I usually do! > > I'm kinda embarrassed > > for sounding like the poster-girl for SSRI's. > > I was also told that my life-long border-line > > anemia is on the wrong > > side of the scale. Oh MY, > > that poor fly-boy is buyin' fillet tomorrow night! > > I pity da fool! > > Great. Now that I've burned off more bandwidth, > > I suppose we should > > talk cameras, at least! A very lovely gentleman has > > just given me a Leitz > > Valoy enlarger. It's a semi-project, but I can > > forgive as it may even > > pre-date me! I know it's strictly a 35mm unit (or > > smaller) but it is the > > cat's behind in terms of rigidity and alignment. I > > should have it up and > > running this weekend. I did have just enough room > > in the darkroom to plant > > it. So, this leads me to ask: do we print our own > > or send 'em out? Who > > does what? Any favorite things out there? > > Enlargers, light sources, > > developers, papers? Or are we a transparency crowd? > > C'mon, we can talk > > about it! What do we do with our fabulous Koni > > images? > > I mean, this is why we have the darned things isn't > > it? How do we get to > > our final, finished product? > > I don't do color that often. When I do, out it > > goes to a friendly and > > capable lab. The bulk of my work is self-processed > > and printed. I do my > > own mounting and matting. My darkroom is full, yet > > functional. I have 4 > > enlargers (now) from 35mm to 8x10. I don't use Jobo > > or any automated > > systems. > > All film is hand-agitated and all prints are > > hand-done by my own loving > > hands. I try to do my own spotting, etc, but if > > it's really special, I have > > a talented friend who steps in. > > I know there are other lists for this topic, but > > I am assuming that the > > darkroom is a logical link in the K-O chain. > > Let's talk? > > Eve > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 08:46:48 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:46:48 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Photo Essays Message-ID: <017901c22ef8$71140620$f5e6b1d8@evegirard> I'm a sucker for the photographic essay. Whether shot with a Koni or whatever, an essay can be so compelling when done by a master. We usually see Smith as an example of how to shoot a photo series. I've enclosed a link to another essay, also a classic, that we don't see too much anymore. Too dark and grim for our PC minds, I guess. I was a junior in High School when this edition came out. I remember being completely shocked by it. That's when I first realized that the Southeast Asian experience was death. That's quite a jolt for a girl in high school. I'm sure folks on the list who are my age, give or take, may be over-exposed (no pun, guys) to this essay. It's so seldom seen in its entire scope anymore. It took some digging but I found the whole thing. Larry Burrows' "Yankee Papa 13." If I shock or offend, apologies go out. I only wanted to show by example the power of a craftsman's work. http://www.vwam.com/papa13/yankeepapa13.htm Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 15:09:31 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:09:31 -0400 Subject: [KOML] More Karsh Message-ID: <3D37E55B.8081.1DD87A@localhost> For more articles on Karsh from the local paper, search for Karsh at http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/archives/ tOM ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 16:20:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jon Fjortoft) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:20:36 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Photo Essays Message-ID: Eve, thanks for referring that powerful photo essay by Larry Burrows. The = impact of it is timeless. It reminded me of an exhibit I took in a couple of years back at the = Chicago Historical Society on War Photographers who had died in action. = Many many pieces of their work were on display---it was a moving and = wrenching viewing experience. At the end all the names of the dead = photographers were listed on a large display area. I was shocked at the = number of them. Afterwards I wandered into another large photography = exhibit on display there. It was about the Beatles. I was unable to be engaged by it's fluff. I'm = sure it was a decent exhibit, but it seemed absurd to view it on the heels = of the other. Jon >>> evegir@reachone.com 07/19/02 02:46AM >>> I'm a sucker for the photographic essay. Whether shot with a Koni or whatever, an essay can be so compelling when done by a master. We usually see Smith as an example of how to shoot a photo series. I've enclosed a link to another essay, also a classic, that we don't see too much anymore. Too dark and grim for our PC minds, I guess. I was a junior in High School when this edition came out. I remember being completely shocked by it. That's when I first realized that the Southeast Asian experience was death. That's quite a jolt for a girl in high school. I'm sure folks on the list who are my age, give or take, may be over-exposed (no pun, guys) to this essay. It's so seldom seen in its entire scope anymore. It took some digging but I found the whole thing. Larry Burrows' "Yankee Papa 13." If I shock or offend, apologies go out. = I only wanted to show by example the power of a craftsman's work. http://www.vwam.com/papa13/yankeepapa13.htm=20 Eve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org=20 http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 17:05:06 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:05:06 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! Message-ID: Here's something different to do with those big Koni negatives: Take a piece of nice watercolor paper, hand brush on some cyanotype sensitizer (cheap and easy). Strategically (i.e., artistically) arrange Koni negs on it, expose to el sol and develop (even cheaper and easier). Then give the print to an artist friend to attack it with gold leaf, watercolors, etc. A painter friend of mine is currently working on one of these; I shot the negatives at a cemetary, so there's this religious icon thing going on. Then with the prussian blue and gold leaf... Still waiting to see the final version. We shall see. Takes her a bit longer than the local photo lab. --John -----Original Message----- From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:33 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! Hello, all. I wanted to apologize if I've sounded awfully flakey lately. I got in to my doc's today; the diagnosis was a medication conflict. Apparently my tried-and-true anti-depressant does not like the new crop of hay-fever meds. Whew! I feel better already just knowing that. So, I apologize for sounding even more of a nut-case than I usually do! I'm kinda embarrassed for sounding like the poster-girl for SSRI's. I was also told that my life-long border-line anemia is on the wrong side of the scale. Oh MY, that poor fly-boy is buyin' fillet tomorrow night! I pity da fool! Great. Now that I've burned off more bandwidth, I suppose we should talk cameras, at least! A very lovely gentleman has just given me a Leitz Valoy enlarger. It's a semi-project, but I can forgive as it may even pre-date me! I know it's strictly a 35mm unit (or smaller) but it is the cat's behind in terms of rigidity and alignment. I should have it up and running this weekend. I did have just enough room in the darkroom to plant it. So, this leads me to ask: do we print our own or send 'em out? Who does what? Any favorite things out there? Enlargers, light sources, developers, papers? Or are we a transparency crowd? C'mon, we can talk about it! What do we do with our fabulous Koni images? I mean, this is why we have the darned things isn't it? How do we get to our final, finished product? I don't do color that often. When I do, out it goes to a friendly and capable lab. The bulk of my work is self-processed and printed. I do my own mounting and matting. My darkroom is full, yet functional. I have 4 enlargers (now) from 35mm to 8x10. I don't use Jobo or any automated systems. All film is hand-agitated and all prints are hand-done by my own loving hands. I try to do my own spotting, etc, but if it's really special, I have a talented friend who steps in. I know there are other lists for this topic, but I am assuming that the darkroom is a logical link in the K-O chain. Let's talk? Eve _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 14:45:27 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Steve and Krista) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:45:27 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! References: <20020719071604.26208.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> <016f01c22ef6$10824300$f5e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <000201c22f49$4e0da3b0$640aa8c0@msn.com> I do all my own B+W developing and printing. But now that I bought the Rapid 100, I'll need to get some sort of enlarger that will do 6x7. That's my next step. I currently own a Beselar Printmaker 35 dicro but only use it for b+w. Someday I'll try color (I have been saying that for 15 years now!). All printing is done on Ilford multigrade rapid 4 paper, hand processed. All film also hand processed. Color is always sent out (so far). For the Rapid, I just purchased 10 rolls of Tmax 100 and 3 rolls of Superia 100. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Girard" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! > Paul, Paul, Paul, > Whatever are we going to do with you! > Seriously, a darkroom is not a pre-req for owning a K-O. My nose is > simply twitching for a unifying topic for a day or so! I guess my query > was "you've used the camera, now what?" At least you're having the film > processed! Digital works, too. I'm just having a case of nose here. Not > everyone has the time or inclination to flounder about in the dark for hours > at a time. And, as in your case, not everyone has the zoneage to do it. > And, you betcha! The chase is everything! ;>) > Eve > (Sneezy, et al have gone to bed . . .) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul R." > To: > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:16 AM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! > > > > No worries, Eve. Sneezy, Wheezy or Dopey, we love you > > just the same -- though we prefer you to be happy, of > > course! > > > > As for getting to final products, I rarely get beyond > > lovingly admiring my transparencies on the light > > table. Sometimes I'll scan a few and e-mail them to > > friends. Then I'm off to shoot more! I really should > > get more of my images printed. A lack of wall space > > is one disincentive, then there's my pesky > > perfectionist streak, plus a bit of Eve-like > > restlessness (it's the chasing, not the having). > > > > At the risk of getting drummed out of the group, I'll > > admit that I wonder whether I'll ever have a real (vs. > > digital) darkroom. I'm mostly a color shooter. And > > as I approach 40 with no hint of real estate lust, I > > don't know if I'll ever have enough space. At present > > if I bring home anything larger than a VHS tape, I > > have to get rid of something else. > > > > And now I shall yield the floor to those who actually > > have something to say! > > > > -Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > Hello, all. > > > I wanted to apologize if I've sounded awfully > > > flakey lately. I got in > > > to my doc's today; the diagnosis was a medication > > > conflict. Apparently > > > my tried-and-true anti-depressant does not like the > > > new crop of hay-fever > > > meds. Whew! I feel better already just knowing > > > that. So, I apologize for > > > sounding even more of a nut-case than I usually do! > > > I'm kinda embarrassed > > > for sounding like the poster-girl for SSRI's. > > > I was also told that my life-long border-line > > > anemia is on the wrong > > > side of the scale. Oh MY, > > > that poor fly-boy is buyin' fillet tomorrow night! > > > I pity da fool! > > > Great. Now that I've burned off more bandwidth, > > > I suppose we should > > > talk cameras, at least! A very lovely gentleman has > > > just given me a Leitz > > > Valoy enlarger. It's a semi-project, but I can > > > forgive as it may even > > > pre-date me! I know it's strictly a 35mm unit (or > > > smaller) but it is the > > > cat's behind in terms of rigidity and alignment. I > > > should have it up and > > > running this weekend. I did have just enough room > > > in the darkroom to plant > > > it. So, this leads me to ask: do we print our own > > > or send 'em out? Who > > > does what? Any favorite things out there? > > > Enlargers, light sources, > > > developers, papers? Or are we a transparency crowd? > > > C'mon, we can talk > > > about it! What do we do with our fabulous Koni > > > images? > > > I mean, this is why we have the darned things isn't > > > it? How do we get to > > > our final, finished product? > > > I don't do color that often. When I do, out it > > > goes to a friendly and > > > capable lab. The bulk of my work is self-processed > > > and printed. I do my > > > own mounting and matting. My darkroom is full, yet > > > functional. I have 4 > > > enlargers (now) from 35mm to 8x10. I don't use Jobo > > > or any automated > > > systems. > > > All film is hand-agitated and all prints are > > > hand-done by my own loving > > > hands. I try to do my own spotting, etc, but if > > > it's really special, I have > > > a talented friend who steps in. > > > I know there are other lists for this topic, but > > > I am assuming that the > > > darkroom is a logical link in the K-O chain. > > > Let's talk? > > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 21:41:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:41:01 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! References: Message-ID: <022701c22f64$99087aa0$f5e6b1d8@evegirard> John, Sounds fascinating! I hope you'll be able to have an image available for a peek somewhere? I love your creativity! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beaver, John" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: RE: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! > Here's something different to do with those big Koni negatives: > > Take a piece of nice watercolor paper, hand brush on some cyanotype > sensitizer (cheap and easy). Strategically (i.e., artistically) arrange > Koni negs on it, expose to el sol and develop (even cheaper and easier). > Then give the print to an artist friend to attack it with gold leaf, > watercolors, etc. A painter friend of mine is currently working on one of > these; I shot the negatives at a cemetary, so there's this religious icon > thing going on. Then with the prussian blue and gold leaf... > > Still waiting to see the final version. We shall see. Takes her a bit > longer than the local photo lab. > > --John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com] > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:33 AM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! > > > Hello, all. > I wanted to apologize if I've sounded awfully flakey lately. I got in > to my doc's today; the diagnosis was a medication conflict. Apparently > my tried-and-true anti-depressant does not like the new crop of hay-fever > meds. Whew! I feel better already just knowing that. So, I apologize for > sounding even more of a nut-case than I usually do! I'm kinda embarrassed > for sounding like the poster-girl for SSRI's. > I was also told that my life-long border-line anemia is on the wrong > side of the scale. Oh MY, > that poor fly-boy is buyin' fillet tomorrow night! I pity da fool! > Great. Now that I've burned off more bandwidth, I suppose we should > talk cameras, at least! A very lovely gentleman has just given me a Leitz > Valoy enlarger. It's a semi-project, but I can forgive as it may even > pre-date me! I know it's strictly a 35mm unit (or smaller) but it is the > cat's behind in terms of rigidity and alignment. I should have it up and > running this weekend. I did have just enough room in the darkroom to plant > it. So, this leads me to ask: do we print our own or send 'em out? Who > does what? Any favorite things out there? Enlargers, light sources, > developers, papers? Or are we a transparency crowd? C'mon, we can talk > about it! What do we do with our fabulous Koni images? > I mean, this is why we have the darned things isn't it? How do we get to > our final, finished product? > I don't do color that often. When I do, out it goes to a friendly and > capable lab. The bulk of my work is self-processed and printed. I do my > own mounting and matting. My darkroom is full, yet functional. I have 4 > enlargers (now) from 35mm to 8x10. I don't use Jobo or any automated > systems. > All film is hand-agitated and all prints are hand-done by my own loving > hands. I try to do my own spotting, etc, but if it's really special, I have > a talented friend who steps in. > I know there are other lists for this topic, but I am assuming that the > darkroom is a logical link in the K-O chain. > Let's talk? > Eve > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 21:45:34 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:45:34 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! References: <20020719071604.26208.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> <016f01c22ef6$10824300$f5e6b1d8@evegirard> <000201c22f49$4e0da3b0$640aa8c0@msn.com> Message-ID: <022d01c22f65$3b5936a0$f5e6b1d8@evegirard> Steve, It's amazing just how cheaply you can fall into an enlarger if your luck holds. My 6x7 unit (23c) was a $60 yard sale score years ago. My cast iron behemoth Elwood 8x10 was a "please take me away" deal. My D2 was from a studio going out of business. I gave $200 for it, but thought that was ok since there was a Componon S 150 mounted. With the digital boom, enlargers are fast becoming discards. Good luck on the future! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve and Krista" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! > I do all my own B+W developing and printing. But now that I bought the Rapid > 100, I'll need to get some sort of enlarger that will do 6x7. That's my next > step. I currently own a Beselar Printmaker 35 dicro but only use it for b+w. > Someday I'll try color (I have been saying that for 15 years now!). > > All printing is done on Ilford multigrade rapid 4 paper, hand processed. All > film also hand processed. > > Color is always sent out (so far). > > For the Rapid, I just purchased 10 rolls of Tmax 100 and 3 rolls of Superia > 100. > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eve Girard" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:29 AM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! > > > > Paul, Paul, Paul, > > Whatever are we going to do with you! > > Seriously, a darkroom is not a pre-req for owning a K-O. My nose is > > simply twitching for a unifying topic for a day or so! I guess my query > > was "you've used the camera, now what?" At least you're having the film > > processed! Digital works, too. I'm just having a case of nose here. Not > > everyone has the time or inclination to flounder about in the dark for > hours > > at a time. And, as in your case, not everyone has the zoneage to do it. > > And, you betcha! The chase is everything! ;>) > > Eve > > (Sneezy, et al have gone to bed . . .) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul R." > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! > > > > > > > No worries, Eve. Sneezy, Wheezy or Dopey, we love you > > > just the same -- though we prefer you to be happy, of > > > course! > > > > > > As for getting to final products, I rarely get beyond > > > lovingly admiring my transparencies on the light > > > table. Sometimes I'll scan a few and e-mail them to > > > friends. Then I'm off to shoot more! I really should > > > get more of my images printed. A lack of wall space > > > is one disincentive, then there's my pesky > > > perfectionist streak, plus a bit of Eve-like > > > restlessness (it's the chasing, not the having). > > > > > > At the risk of getting drummed out of the group, I'll > > > admit that I wonder whether I'll ever have a real (vs. > > > digital) darkroom. I'm mostly a color shooter. And > > > as I approach 40 with no hint of real estate lust, I > > > don't know if I'll ever have enough space. At present > > > if I bring home anything larger than a VHS tape, I > > > have to get rid of something else. > > > > > > And now I shall yield the floor to those who actually > > > have something to say! > > > > > > -Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > Hello, all. > > > > I wanted to apologize if I've sounded awfully > > > > flakey lately. I got in > > > > to my doc's today; the diagnosis was a medication > > > > conflict. Apparently > > > > my tried-and-true anti-depressant does not like the > > > > new crop of hay-fever > > > > meds. Whew! I feel better already just knowing > > > > that. So, I apologize for > > > > sounding even more of a nut-case than I usually do! > > > > I'm kinda embarrassed > > > > for sounding like the poster-girl for SSRI's. > > > > I was also told that my life-long border-line > > > > anemia is on the wrong > > > > side of the scale. Oh MY, > > > > that poor fly-boy is buyin' fillet tomorrow night! > > > > I pity da fool! > > > > Great. Now that I've burned off more bandwidth, > > > > I suppose we should > > > > talk cameras, at least! A very lovely gentleman has > > > > just given me a Leitz > > > > Valoy enlarger. It's a semi-project, but I can > > > > forgive as it may even > > > > pre-date me! I know it's strictly a 35mm unit (or > > > > smaller) but it is the > > > > cat's behind in terms of rigidity and alignment. I > > > > should have it up and > > > > running this weekend. I did have just enough room > > > > in the darkroom to plant > > > > it. So, this leads me to ask: do we print our own > > > > or send 'em out? Who > > > > does what? Any favorite things out there? > > > > Enlargers, light sources, > > > > developers, papers? Or are we a transparency crowd? > > > > C'mon, we can talk > > > > about it! What do we do with our fabulous Koni > > > > images? > > > > I mean, this is why we have the darned things isn't > > > > it? How do we get to > > > > our final, finished product? > > > > I don't do color that often. When I do, out it > > > > goes to a friendly and > > > > capable lab. The bulk of my work is self-processed > > > > and printed. I do my > > > > own mounting and matting. My darkroom is full, yet > > > > functional. I have 4 > > > > enlargers (now) from 35mm to 8x10. I don't use Jobo > > > > or any automated > > > > systems. > > > > All film is hand-agitated and all prints are > > > > hand-done by my own loving > > > > hands. I try to do my own spotting, etc, but if > > > > it's really special, I have > > > > a talented friend who steps in. > > > > I know there are other lists for this topic, but > > > > I am assuming that the > > > > darkroom is a logical link in the K-O chain. > > > > Let's talk? > > > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > KOML mailing list > > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 23:07:34 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eric Goldstein) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:07:34 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Hello, KOML-Land!! In-Reply-To: <014501c22eee$2415d560$f5e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: > I know there are other lists for this topic, but I am assuming that the > darkroom is a logical link in the K-O chain. > Let's talk? I have always dreamed of my own darkroom but have not had the space/talent to put one together for myself. I miss having use of one terribly and am sometimes lucky enough to work in a friends... I do soup all my b/w and am a great fan of xtol and delta 100. I also find that XP2 Super shot at ISO 100 makes for beautiful contact prints... One of the reasons I shoot KO (and 23 Speed Graphic and Super Ikonta C) is to do contact printing... I am currently working on a collage concept using contact prints and hope to create a body of work for exhibition in the next year or so... Still working out the bugs but early results are encouraging... I would commend those who have not yet explored contact printing KO negs to give it a try... They are large enough for display, can be framed quite nicely, have beautiful tonal qualities, and are a unique format which has a quiet, subtle kind of impact... I may upgrade computers and get a decent flatbed... Things are at the point where 300 bucks will buy you 3200 dpi and for 67 or 23 that's pretty respectable... I will probably experiment a la Barbara and experiment with digital from the negative onward... Eric Goldstein From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 19 23:45:59 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! In-Reply-To: <016f01c22ef6$10824300$f5e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020719224559.23400.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: Not everyone has the time or inclination to flounder about in the dark for hours at a time. _______________ I certainly do -- with the right co-flounder! -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 20 00:42:30 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Jay Hipps) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:42:30 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Hello, KOML-Land!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:07 PM -0400 7/19/02, Eric Goldstein wrote: >I may upgrade computers and get a decent flatbed... Things are at the point >where 300 bucks will buy you 3200 dpi and for 67 or 23 that's pretty >respectable... I will probably experiment a la Barbara and experiment with >digital from the negative onward... As long as someone has mentioned scanners, I'll put in a vote for the Epson 2450. It works with reflective material as well as transparencies and negs, and even came with a nice little adapter I can use for my K-O scans. Very nice quality for under $400. Jay From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 20 01:00:33 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Perfection (scanner) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020720000033.31274.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> The Perfection 2450 is owned and has been recommended by others on this list as well. And it just won 'best in class' in a mini-shootout by Practical Photography. (Which, by the way, is a nice alternative to the U.S. general photo mags.) My temptation grows ... -Paul --- Jay Hipps wrote: > At 6:07 PM -0400 7/19/02, Eric Goldstein wrote: > >I may upgrade computers and get a decent flatbed... > Things are at the point > >where 300 bucks will buy you 3200 dpi and for 67 or > 23 that's pretty > >respectable... I will probably experiment a la > Barbara and experiment with > >digital from the negative onward... > > As long as someone has mentioned scanners, I'll put > in a vote for the > Epson 2450. It works with reflective material as > well as > transparencies and negs, and even came with a nice > little adapter I > can use for my K-O scans. Very nice quality for > under $400. > > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 20 19:10:13 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:10:13 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! References: <20020719224559.23400.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D39A785.A1808E21@earthlink.net> I`ll join in just for the Halibut.... Robert "Paul R." wrote: > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > Not everyone has the time or inclination to flounder > about in the dark for hours at a time. > > _______________ > > I certainly do -- with the right co-flounder! > > -Paul > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 20 22:40:49 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! In-Reply-To: <3D39A785.A1808E21@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020720214049.98714.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Bless my sole, it's getting roughy in here! Interesting that we haven't heard from Eve since last night's fly-boy date. A good sign? ;-) --- Nancy Brown wrote: > I`ll join in just for the Halibut.... > Robert > > "Paul R." wrote: > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > > Not everyone has the time or inclination to > flounder > > about in the dark for hours at a time. > > > > _______________ > > > > I certainly do -- with the right co-flounder! > > > > -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 21 05:25:12 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:25:12 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! References: <20020720214049.98714.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009801c2306e$9ba65420$4ce6b1d8@evegirard> And I always thought there was something too dam' fishy 'bout this group(er). I had to cancel last night's adventure, but he's due at my door any moment, so we'll just have to sea what bites . . .. (or who . . .) I hope he's not some shark, but I bet we have a whale of a time! Reminds me of what Newton Minnow once said . . . ooops! There's my bell. I'll drop a line to the group later on . . . Eve ;>) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! > Bless my sole, it's getting roughy in here! > > Interesting that we haven't heard from Eve since last > night's fly-boy date. A good sign? ;-) > > > --- Nancy Brown > wrote: > > I`ll join in just for the Halibut.... > > Robert > > > > "Paul R." wrote: > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > > > > > Not everyone has the time or inclination to > > flounder > > > about in the dark for hours at a time. > > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > I certainly do -- with the right co-flounder! > > > > > > -Paul > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sun Jul 21 07:52:20 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:52:20 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! In-Reply-To: <009801c2306e$9ba65420$4ce6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3A21E4.16406.8DA5188@localhost> Stop carping, crabby. Fish list is what we're about. Stay healthy with Omega oils - internal or external. tOM On Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 21:25, Eve Girard wrote re "Re: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!!" saying: > And I always thought there was something too dam' fishy 'bout this > group(er). > I had to cancel last night's adventure, but he's due at my door any moment, > so we'll just have to sea what bites . . .. (or who . . .) I hope he's > not some shark, but I bet we have a whale of a time! > Reminds me of what Newton Minnow once said . . . > ooops! There's my bell. I'll drop a line to the group later on . . . > Eve ;>) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul R." > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Hello, KOML-Land!! > > > > Bless my sole, it's getting roughy in here! > > > > Interesting that we haven't heard from Eve since last > > night's fly-boy date. A good sign? ;-) > > > > > > --- Nancy Brown > > wrote: > > > I`ll join in just for the Halibut.... > > > Robert > > > > > > "Paul R." wrote: > > > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not everyone has the time or inclination to > > > flounder > > > > about in the dark for hours at a time. > > > > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > > > I certainly do -- with the right co-flounder! > > > > > > > > -Paul ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Mon Jul 22 02:50:23 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:50:23 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The KOML Fishbowl Message-ID: <004f01c23122$25e1cf80$6fe6b1d8@evegirard> And a GOOOOOd afternoon to you all! Ok, I'll post a brief report for the voyeurs among us. Mr. Colonel and I had a very nice evening and I see a potential for an enjoyable friendship. But, seriously, group, can anyone imagine loud-mouth me in a military relationship? I would kill that poor man's career in a scant heart-beat! To say nothing of doing a number on his airline endeavour. I suffer fools poorly; it does seem that they gravitate to the military and evolve to the airlines. But, he was a proper gentleman filling the evening with levity and charm - none of which did him any good at the end of the night. Bless him, he departed with his colors flying. Ego intact. At least the conversational flow was two way. Listening is one of his attributes, so he won many points with that. We have a vague plan to do some local flying somewhere ahead in time. I will have the group know that I did do you all and a recent thread proud. I had planned on a rare fillet, but the blackened sturgeon caught my eye, winding up on my plate instead. He did think I was bats when I giggled while ordering. Hard to explain to an outsider. He did well, tho. (If only these guys knew what response prime Mariner seats, a beer and dog would elicit!)(especially if they carried the gear!) Been doing some diversified reading lately. Halsman's "Halsman at Work" is interesting. If anyone has it can you identify the 4x5 TLR's that were illustrated in use? There is a body profile on one that's similar to my woodie Gowlandflex but nothing else matches. I know the other big twin lens doesn't ring a visual bell. I'll drop Peter G a note and see if he lays claim to the one. Then I have Galen Rowell's "Inner Game of Outdoor Photography." I've only met the man once but I think he spent too long adoring the Dahli Lama. Fun to read some of his stuff though (although I do get the giggles). I highly recommend Anna Favora's bio profile of Sudek "Josef Sudek: Poet of Prague." What a gifted man Sudek was. He stands with Capa at the head of my heroes list. Was there ever a famed K-O user? Or are we left with that duty? Is it our challenge to rush out and make the defining K-O shot before the demise of film? Gawd, one could get almost Kennedyesque or even Churchillian . . ."Let us resolve to meet that challenge . . ." Or even do a Dubyuh "uh....". OK, ok, I'll be good, uhhuh! The afternoon has worn on, the sun is dropping into prime time, so I'll grab some odds and ends & go steal some images. Our annual fair (street party and 4 day drunk) is over. Time to go play Cartier-Bresson amidst the cleanup. I take it the weekend is plump and full of contentment for all. Must be since KOML is somnolent. HEY, I'M HERE!!!!!!! Let's make some noise!!!!! Back after sunset, Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 23 00:59:28 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (P RENNER) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:59:28 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: The wait was excruciating References: <3D322EA3.90E5B8F@earthlink.net> <3D3351FB.5D2BEDD5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D3C9C60.5090500@bellatlantic.net> hey joe you know what they say about banjo's ?best sound they make is when they are being tossed into a dumpster!I am a new grass revival fan[bela fleck], jerry douglas,sam bush.......... good luck with the 200 -the images do jump out at you. chip From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 23 01:35:22 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] The KOML Fishbowl In-Reply-To: <004f01c23122$25e1cf80$6fe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020723003522.91029.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: Then I have Galen Rowell's "Inner Game of Outdoor Photography." I've only met the man once but I think he spent too long adoring the Dahli Lama. ________________________ I've never met him, but I did meet his mother! In the family home, nestled in the hills above Berserkeley. She was a phenomenal cello teacher. And yes, there was plenty of Galen's work around. And a hint of fairy dust. -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 23 07:33:10 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:33:10 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: The Koml Fishbowl Message-ID: <013d01c23212$d15e1800$9ae6b1d8@evegirard> So, We sprung a leak? Just dust and bones on the bottom of the bowl? Maybe a discarded 120 reel or two amid the muck at the bottom? Where is Hamlet to say, "Alas, poor KOML. I knew it well, Horatio . . ."? Well, as Sandy would say, "Arf." I was setting up my Leitz Valoy enlarger this afternoon. It didn't have a baseboard so I mounted it in an old Omega D2 base I had hanging about. I had intended to rewire it before I played with it, but I was in need of adventure. (No, my hair is NOT curly now!) I dropped in an old Aristo cold light and, to my pleasure, it was a match. I just wanted to make sure the column was perpendicular to the base as I have been know to drill at odd angles. It checked with a square, but I wanted to see a projected area to inspect for image tapering. Lo and behold, the illumination thru an El-Nikkor 63 f2.8 is spectacular! And, even more amazing, the column is straight! Soo, I have gilded my Leitz lilly! It made for a nicely relaxed afternoon. I'm getting up in the cool wee hours tomorrow to print some of my wooden boat show Koni negs. It's been 'way too hot for this part of the country. As I'm committed to doing a couple of these prints for someone, I'd better do it before the darkroom chemistry bubbles. Does anyone have any great projects they're working on for the summer? My Mom and Pop grocery stores are about ready to locate in a gallery. I have a couple of nibbles locally but the economy is verrry tepid here and the galleries are reflecting that. Labor Day weekend is our Annual Tugboat Race weekend. This year, its going to be all K O (and Coolpix 950). I usually cover it in 4x5 or 35mm, but this year, I'm travelling light. Well, the bedlam is deafening. I must away to bed. Y'all write soon, now, y'hear! Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 23 20:23:06 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:23:06 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: The Koml Fishbowl References: <013d01c23212$d15e1800$9ae6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3DAD19.66DE8D13@earthlink.net> Hi Eve and all, You seem to be the ambitious one of the group,providing inspiration for the rest of us(bless yo` lil heart).Actually, there`s plenty to do but the weather is uncooperative, with the heat index over 100, it`s an ordeal just walking down the street.I`m hoping things cool off a bit by this weekend, as it`s time for the annual Balloon Festival, approx. 125 hot air balloons,with food, music and other entertainment over 3 days.They do a mass launch at 6:30 p.m. each evening, which is quite impressive.I live about a mile from the launch site, and depending on the prevailing winds, can get a pretty good view(can`t really drive any closer, with 100,000 people trying to get there on these little 2-lane roads, the traffic is horrendous)The winds have not been favorable for the last couple of years, but I`m hoping for the best.The Rapids are loaded with Velvia and ready to rock `n roll.One of these days I might actually start my DOB project (dilapadated old barns), there`s a bunch of `em scattered around the countryside, probably make for an interesting shoot. My "things to do" list gets longer every damn day! Robert Eve Girard wrote: > So, > We sprung a leak? Just dust and bones on the bottom of the bowl? Maybe > a discarded 120 reel or two amid the muck at the bottom? Where is Hamlet to > say, "Alas, poor KOML. I knew it well, Horatio . . ."? Well, as Sandy > would say, "Arf." > I was setting up my Leitz Valoy enlarger this afternoon. It didn't have > a baseboard so I mounted it in an old Omega D2 base I had hanging about. I > had intended to rewire it before I played with it, but I was in need of > adventure. (No, my hair is NOT curly now!) I dropped in an old Aristo cold > light and, to my pleasure, it was a match. I just wanted to make sure the > column was perpendicular to the base as I have been know to drill at odd > angles. It checked with a square, but I wanted to see a projected area to > inspect for image tapering. Lo and behold, the illumination thru an > El-Nikkor 63 f2.8 is spectacular! And, even more amazing, the column is > straight! Soo, I have gilded my Leitz lilly! It made for a nicely relaxed > afternoon. > I'm getting up in the cool wee hours tomorrow to print some of my wooden > boat show Koni negs. It's been 'way too hot for this part of the country. > As I'm committed to doing a couple of these prints for someone, I'd better > do it before the darkroom chemistry bubbles. Does anyone have any great > projects they're working on for the summer? My Mom and Pop grocery stores > are about ready to locate in a gallery. I have a couple of nibbles locally > but the economy is verrry tepid here and the galleries are reflecting that. > Labor Day weekend is our Annual Tugboat Race weekend. This year, its going > to be all K O (and Coolpix 950). I usually cover it in 4x5 or 35mm, but > this year, I'm travelling light. > Well, the bedlam is deafening. I must away to bed. > Y'all write soon, now, y'hear! > Eve > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 23 22:32:50 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:32:50 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: The Koml Fishbowl References: <013d01c23212$d15e1800$9ae6b1d8@evegirard> <3D3DAD19.66DE8D13@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002001c23290$7fa20840$dde6b1d8@evegirard> Robert, Start those projects! I used to see something that I wanted to photograph and would think, "I'll come back and do that and this." Time would go on and inevitably, there would be a bulldozer or flames doing a rearrangement of my model! So I have painfully learned that time waits not for a chance to be creative. The moment is fleeting. So I travel with a trio of formats, loading a cooler bag of film into the car with me every morning. Maybe its 'cause I'm getting older, dunno. Next will be sensible shoes and lower hemlines . . . NOT! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Brown" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: The Koml Fishbowl > Hi Eve and all, > You seem to be the ambitious one of the group,providing inspiration for the rest > of us(bless yo` lil heart).Actually, there`s plenty to do but the weather is > uncooperative, with the heat index over 100, it`s an ordeal just walking down > the street.I`m hoping things cool off a bit by this weekend, as it`s time for > the annual Balloon Festival, approx. 125 hot air balloons,with food, music and > other entertainment over 3 days.They do a mass launch at 6:30 p.m. each evening, > which is quite impressive.I live about a mile from the launch site, and > depending on the prevailing winds, can get a pretty good view(can`t really drive > any closer, with 100,000 people trying to get there on these little 2-lane > roads, the traffic is horrendous)The winds have not been favorable for the last > couple of years, but I`m hoping for the best.The Rapids are loaded with Velvia > and ready to rock `n roll.One of these days I might actually start my DOB > project (dilapadated old barns), there`s a bunch of `em scattered around the > countryside, probably make for an interesting shoot. > My "things to do" list gets longer every damn day! > Robert > > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > So, > > We sprung a leak? Just dust and bones on the bottom of the bowl? Maybe > > a discarded 120 reel or two amid the muck at the bottom? Where is Hamlet to > > say, "Alas, poor KOML. I knew it well, Horatio . . ."? Well, as Sandy > > would say, "Arf." > > I was setting up my Leitz Valoy enlarger this afternoon. It didn't have > > a baseboard so I mounted it in an old Omega D2 base I had hanging about. I > > had intended to rewire it before I played with it, but I was in need of > > adventure. (No, my hair is NOT curly now!) I dropped in an old Aristo cold > > light and, to my pleasure, it was a match. I just wanted to make sure the > > column was perpendicular to the base as I have been know to drill at odd > > angles. It checked with a square, but I wanted to see a projected area to > > inspect for image tapering. Lo and behold, the illumination thru an > > El-Nikkor 63 f2.8 is spectacular! And, even more amazing, the column is > > straight! Soo, I have gilded my Leitz lilly! It made for a nicely relaxed > > afternoon. > > I'm getting up in the cool wee hours tomorrow to print some of my wooden > > boat show Koni negs. It's been 'way too hot for this part of the country. > > As I'm committed to doing a couple of these prints for someone, I'd better > > do it before the darkroom chemistry bubbles. Does anyone have any great > > projects they're working on for the summer? My Mom and Pop grocery stores > > are about ready to locate in a gallery. I have a couple of nibbles locally > > but the economy is verrry tepid here and the galleries are reflecting that. > > Labor Day weekend is our Annual Tugboat Race weekend. This year, its going > > to be all K O (and Coolpix 950). I usually cover it in 4x5 or 35mm, but > > this year, I'm travelling light. > > Well, the bedlam is deafening. I must away to bed. > > Y'all write soon, now, y'hear! > > Eve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Tue Jul 23 23:12:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:12:55 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Cross-listing Message-ID: <00b201c23296$1a943940$dde6b1d8@evegirard> Interesting stuff going on. I tried to respond to Barbara's Koni dance and was bounced as undeliverable(the old snoopy addy). I do hate the fact that the two K-O lists are intermingled as they are. I wish it was one happy family. I was surprised to be bounced as the subject line was KOML. Ah well, that's why I'm just a dumb country-girl . . . Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 00:55:10 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:55:10 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: The Koml Fishbowl References: <013d01c23212$d15e1800$9ae6b1d8@evegirard> <3D3DAD19.66DE8D13@earthlink.net> <002001c23290$7fa20840$dde6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3DECDE.E3587084@earthlink.net> Thanks for the words of wisdom.You`re right, so much of photography is about capturing the moment.....will attend to my project toot suite! Robert Eve Girard wrote: > Robert, > Start those projects! I used to see something that I wanted to > photograph and would think, "I'll come back and do that and this." Time > would go on and inevitably, there would be a bulldozer or flames doing a > rearrangement of my model! So I have painfully learned that time waits not > for a chance to be creative. The moment is fleeting. So I travel with a > trio of formats, loading a cooler bag of film into the car with me every > morning. Maybe its 'cause I'm getting older, dunno. Next will be sensible > shoes and lower hemlines . . . NOT! > Eve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Brown" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: The Koml Fishbowl > > > Hi Eve and all, > > You seem to be the ambitious one of the group,providing inspiration for > the rest > > of us(bless yo` lil heart).Actually, there`s plenty to do but the weather > is > > uncooperative, with the heat index over 100, it`s an ordeal just walking > down > > the street.I`m hoping things cool off a bit by this weekend, as it`s time > for > > the annual Balloon Festival, approx. 125 hot air balloons,with food, music > and > > other entertainment over 3 days.They do a mass launch at 6:30 p.m. each > evening, > > which is quite impressive.I live about a mile from the launch site, and > > depending on the prevailing winds, can get a pretty good view(can`t really > drive > > any closer, with 100,000 people trying to get there on these little 2-lane > > roads, the traffic is horrendous)The winds have not been favorable for the > last > > couple of years, but I`m hoping for the best.The Rapids are loaded with > Velvia > > and ready to rock `n roll.One of these days I might actually start my DOB > > project (dilapadated old barns), there`s a bunch of `em scattered around > the > > countryside, probably make for an interesting shoot. > > My "things to do" list gets longer every damn day! > > Robert > > > > > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > So, > > > We sprung a leak? Just dust and bones on the bottom of the bowl? > Maybe > > > a discarded 120 reel or two amid the muck at the bottom? Where is > Hamlet to > > > say, "Alas, poor KOML. I knew it well, Horatio . . ."? Well, as Sandy > > > would say, "Arf." > > > I was setting up my Leitz Valoy enlarger this afternoon. It didn't > have > > > a baseboard so I mounted it in an old Omega D2 base I had hanging about. > I > > > had intended to rewire it before I played with it, but I was in need of > > > adventure. (No, my hair is NOT curly now!) I dropped in an old Aristo > cold > > > light and, to my pleasure, it was a match. I just wanted to make sure > the > > > column was perpendicular to the base as I have been know to drill at odd > > > angles. It checked with a square, but I wanted to see a projected area > to > > > inspect for image tapering. Lo and behold, the illumination thru an > > > El-Nikkor 63 f2.8 is spectacular! And, even more amazing, the column is > > > straight! Soo, I have gilded my Leitz lilly! It made for a nicely > relaxed > > > afternoon. > > > I'm getting up in the cool wee hours tomorrow to print some of my > wooden > > > boat show Koni negs. It's been 'way too hot for this part of the > country. > > > As I'm committed to doing a couple of these prints for someone, I'd > better > > > do it before the darkroom chemistry bubbles. Does anyone have any great > > > projects they're working on for the summer? My Mom and Pop grocery > stores > > > are about ready to locate in a gallery. I have a couple of nibbles > locally > > > but the economy is verrry tepid here and the galleries are reflecting > that. > > > Labor Day weekend is our Annual Tugboat Race weekend. This year, its > going > > > to be all K O (and Coolpix 950). I usually cover it in 4x5 or 35mm, but > > > this year, I'm travelling light. > > > Well, the bedlam is deafening. I must away to bed. > > > Y'all write soon, now, y'hear! > > > Eve > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > KOML mailing list > > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 00:52:24 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Koni song Message-ID: <20020723235224.85211.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Here's how I remember it: We like Koni cameras They make us feel am'rous Big film, nice glass On pixels we'll pass The beasts may look funny But save us big money And make us look good In the shutterbug 'hood (Bridge:) So pull out the Dark Slide And use even Force When advancing 120 (And 220, of course) We'll stand by our Konis And laugh at the phonies Who think Leica herd Yo, K-Dogs -- word. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 01:01:45 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:45 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The KOML Fishbowl References: <20020723003522.91029.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D3DEE69.1FB016C7@earthlink.net> Paul, Was that Galen Rowell or Christopher Lowell`s mother that you met? Robert "Paul R." wrote: > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > Then I have Galen Rowell's "Inner Game of Outdoor > Photography." I've only met the man once but I think > he spent too long adoring the Dahli Lama. > > ________________________ > > I've never met him, but I did meet his mother! In the > family home, nestled in the hills above Berserkeley. > She was a phenomenal cello teacher. And yes, there > was plenty of Galen's work around. And a hint of > fairy dust. > > -Paul > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 01:17:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] The KOML Fishbowl In-Reply-To: <3D3DEE69.1FB016C7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020724001736.33769.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> LOL! No Robert, we didn't do any redecorating. I was referring more to the spiritual vibe alluded to by Eve. :-) -P. --- Nancy Brown wrote: > Paul, > Was that Galen Rowell or Christopher Lowell`s mother > that you met? > Robert > > "Paul R." wrote: > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > > > > Then I have Galen Rowell's "Inner Game of Outdoor > > Photography." I've only met the man once but I > think > > he spent too long adoring the Dahli Lama. > > > > ________________________ > > > > I've never met him, but I did meet his mother! In > the > > family home, nestled in the hills above > Berserkeley. > > She was a phenomenal cello teacher. And yes, > there > > was plenty of Galen's work around. And a hint of > > fairy dust. > > > > -Paul > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > > http://health.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 01:33:55 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:33:55 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: The Koml Fishbowl In-Reply-To: <3D3DECDE.E3587084@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D3DBDB3.28950.97C61AA@localhost> Guess who said: > > So I travel with a > > trio of formats, loading a cooler bag of film into the car with me every > > morning. Maybe its 'cause I'm getting older, dunno. Next will be sensible > > shoes and lower hemlines . . . NOT! Hey, hiking boots are sexy on a lady! tOM ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 01:39:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: The Koml Fishbowl In-Reply-To: <3D3DBDB3.28950.97C61AA@localhost> Message-ID: <20020724003908.1080.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Especially with a high hemline! ;-) --- Tom Trottier wrote: > Guess who said: > > > > So I travel with a > > > trio of formats, loading a cooler bag of film > into the car with me every > > > morning. Maybe its 'cause I'm getting older, > dunno. Next will be sensible > > > shoes and lower hemlines . . . NOT! > > Hey, hiking boots are sexy on a lady! > > tOM > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur > ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 04:15:49 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:15:49 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Koni song References: <20020723235224.85211.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D3E1BE5.D0B0C038@earthlink.net> Better get a copyright on this before Puff the Magic Diddy claims it as his own!!! (Word to yo`mama) M.C.Robert "Paul R." wrote: > Here's how I remember it: > > We like Koni cameras > They make us feel am'rous > Big film, nice glass > On pixels we'll pass > > The beasts may look funny > But save us big money > And make us look good > In the shutterbug 'hood > > (Bridge:) > So pull out the Dark Slide > And use even Force > When advancing 120 > (And 220, of course) > > We'll stand by our Konis > And laugh at the phonies > Who think Leica herd > Yo, K-Dogs -- word. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 05:23:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:23:43 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: The Koml Fishbowl References: <20020724003908.1080.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010001c232c9$e6269a20$dde6b1d8@evegirard> OK, time to fess up! Who's been peeking at my hemlines????? Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: The Koml Fishbowl > Especially with a high hemline! ;-) > > --- Tom Trottier wrote: > > Guess who said: > > > > > > So I travel with a > > > > trio of formats, loading a cooler bag of film > > into the car with me every > > > > morning. Maybe its 'cause I'm getting older, > > dunno. Next will be sensible > > > > shoes and lower hemlines . . . NOT! > > > > Hey, hiking boots are sexy on a lady! > > > > tOM > > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur > > ----------------- > > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Laws are the spider's webs which, > > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > > but large things break through and escape. > > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 05:34:31 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:34:31 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: The Koml Fishbowl References: <3D3DBDB3.28950.97C61AA@localhost> Message-ID: <010e01c232cb$68098740$dde6b1d8@evegirard> > Hey, hiking boots are sexy on a lady! But ONLY with shorts, Tom. It's a damn good thing we have a tanning salon attached to our main salon. As Paul can attest, brown legs are seldom a natural occurance in the great Northwest! Otherwise miles of lilly whites would be blinding! Most of us would be unseen in snow of any depth. I wanted to ask Barbara if there was a proper attire (since we're on that subject) for her Koni dance. Kudos to Paul for his stunning lyrics. Any votes that we adopt them as the official list song? Now how many photo lists can boast that!?! Wow, a dance and a song all in one day! We owe Peter K a huge "attaboy" for getting this one going, no matter HOW innocent it was . . . And, Barbara, about those mushrooms . . . ;>) Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 06:24:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) In-Reply-To: <010e01c232cb$68098740$dde6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020724052401.30733.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: > Most of us would be unseen in snow of any depth. Correct Eve -- unless we were wearing clothes. You have an interesting frame of reference -- high hemlines indeed! > I wanted to ask Barbara if there was a proper > attire (since we're on > that subject) for her Koni dance. It's gotta involve a wide-brimmed hat, don'tcha think? And cargo shorts? > Kudos to Paul for > his stunning lyrics. "stunning" -- is that a GOOD thing? If it is ... thanks! > And, Barbara, about those mushrooms . . . ;>) Yes Barbara, please contact me off list. :-) -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 06:29:08 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:29:08 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) References: <20020724052401.30733.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a101c232d3$093a5020$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> > Yes Barbara, please contact me off list. :-) > > -Paul And, Paul, after you hear from Barbara, please contact me!!! From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 06:57:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:57:52 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) References: <20020724052401.30733.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c601c232d7$0cbf0d40$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> There's a full moon; that has to explain everything! I was thinking that tonight would be a great time to ask opinions from the group of an ethical problem that I may face. Perhaps it's just a perceived problem in my eyes because I'm too close to the heart of it. And I'm asking this with the hope that our usually bright crowd can give this the respect that I feel it deserves. As you all are sick of hearing, I earn my principal living as an electrologist. For those of you who don't know, that's permanent hair removal. I have a very diverse and interesting set of clients, to say the least. A growing percentage of electrolysis clients are trans-gendered. I have almost twenty in my roster alone. They are for the most part simply lovely people who have faced a huge problem as best they can. It's a massive life-choice and I admire their bravery. My problem is this. I want to do a photo study of the local group. As I say, a lot are my friends. We have a very unique relationship (the issue is even discussed at our annual conventions) and I wind up being a surrogate sister to a lot of them. I eat at their houses and am otherwise involved in their world. Am I taking advantage of them if I bring out a camera? Am I being exploitive? As I say, I'm too close to them to be objective. As a group, they would do whatever I wanted, so I just can't follow their word here. Does anyone out there have a comment that's not rude or biased? I am seriously stuck on this. I have no idea where I would go with it but I want to leave my options open. HELP!!!! I was cruising the Magnum site recently and fell in love with their Eyetide screen saver setup. It is Magnum pictures that you can select and renew as a saver. Right now, I have Capa, Arnold and a bunch more parading across my screen. Every day an new batch in your selected categories are available. You can retain favorites or just let the list purge as it needs. Try it, you'll like it! Ya know, we should try to mention K-O in some form at least once in our posts. I'd hate to have Clive scold us for being simple yakkers. So, I'll add my bit here. I'm still looking for the silver rangefinder window facing piece for a Rapid. (Also for non-AI Nikkors in any shape, but don't tell Clive!) OK, the rant is over and I'm going out to watch the moon float by. Eve :>) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 07:30:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Portrait ethics (was Fishbowl) In-Reply-To: <00c601c232d7$0cbf0d40$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020724063019.71746.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Eve, I have a transgendered person close to me as well. As much as I would like to have some nice pictures of her (as of anyone close to me), I stopped asking long ago, as I know she despises having her picture taken -- but might be too polite, if pressured, to say no. You must rely on your gut and on your knowledge of the personalities involved, but my advice would be that if you can't trust them to be completely honest with you about their true wishes -- don't ask. -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: A growing percentage of electrolysis clients > are trans-gendered. I > have almost twenty in my roster alone. They are for > the most part simply > lovely people who have faced a huge problem as best > they can. It's a > massive life-choice and I admire their bravery. My > problem is this. I want > to do a photo study of the local group. As I say, a > lot are my friends. We > have a very unique relationship (the issue is even > discussed at our annual > conventions) and I wind up being a surrogate sister > to a lot of them. I eat > at their houses and am otherwise involved in their > world. Am I taking > advantage of them if I bring out a camera? Am I > being exploitive? As I > say, I'm too close to them to be objective. As a > group, they would do > whatever I wanted, so I just can't follow their word > here. Does anyone out > there have a comment that's not rude or biased? I > am seriously stuck on > this. I have no idea where I would go with it but I > want to leave my > options open. HELP!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 07:40:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:40:01 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) In-Reply-To: <00c601c232d7$0cbf0d40$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3E1381.13671.ACB8DE7@localhost> Dear Eve Girard, Not an ethical question to my mind, but of sensitivity and love. They might really appreciate the pictures. Why not ask, then pass resulting pictures by them, then ask for a model release when they've seen them and you've told them what you'd like to do with the pictures. tOM On Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 22:57, Eve Girard wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbow" saying: > There's a full moon; that has to explain everything! I was thinking > that tonight would be a great time to ask opinions from the group of an > ethical problem that I may face. Perhaps it's just a perceived problem > in my eyes because I'm too close to the heart of it. And I'm asking > this with the hope that our usually bright crowd can give this the > respect that I feel it deserves. As you all are sick of hearing, I earn > my principal living as an electrologist. For those of you who don't > know, that's permanent hair removal. I have a very diverse and > interesting set of clients, to say the least. A growing percentage of > electrolysis clients are trans-gendered. I have almost twenty in my > roster alone. They are for the most part simply lovely people who have > faced a huge problem as best they can. It's a massive life-choice and I > admire their bravery. My problem is this. I want to do a photo study > of the local group. As I say, a lot are my friends. We have a very > unique relationship (the issue is even discussed at our annual > conventions) and I wind up being a surrogate sister to a lot of them. I > eat at their houses and am otherwise involved in their world. Am I > taking advantage of them if I bring out a camera? Am I being > exploitive? As I say, I'm too close to them to be objective. As a > group, they would do whatever I wanted, so I just can't follow their > word here. Does anyone out there have a comment that's not rude or > biased? I am seriously stuck on this. I have no idea where I would go > with it but I want to leave my options open. HELP!!!! ... ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 07:45:19 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:45:19 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Portrait ethics (was Fishbowl) References: <20020724063019.71746.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d001c232dd$ae50fe60$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Paul, I knew I could count on your sage advice. That's the direction in which I'm leaning (when in doubt, don't). Thanks for being there . . . Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R." To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: [KOML] Re: Portrait ethics (was Fishbowl) > Eve, > > I have a transgendered person close to me as well. As > much as I would like to have some nice pictures of her > (as of anyone close to me), I stopped asking long ago, > as I know she despises having her picture taken -- but > might be too polite, if pressured, to say no. > > You must rely on your gut and on your knowledge of the > personalities involved, but my advice would be that if > you can't trust them to be completely honest with you > about their true wishes -- don't ask. > > -Paul > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > A growing percentage of electrolysis clients > > are trans-gendered. I > > have almost twenty in my roster alone. They are for > > the most part simply > > lovely people who have faced a huge problem as best > > they can. It's a > > massive life-choice and I admire their bravery. My > > problem is this. I want > > to do a photo study of the local group. As I say, a > > lot are my friends. We > > have a very unique relationship (the issue is even > > discussed at our annual > > conventions) and I wind up being a surrogate sister > > to a lot of them. I eat > > at their houses and am otherwise involved in their > > world. Am I taking > > advantage of them if I bring out a camera? Am I > > being exploitive? As I > > say, I'm too close to them to be objective. As a > > group, they would do > > whatever I wanted, so I just can't follow their word > > here. Does anyone out > > there have a comment that's not rude or biased? I > > am seriously stuck on > > this. I have no idea where I would go with it but I > > want to leave my > > options open. HELP!!!! > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 08:06:31 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:06:31 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) References: <3D3E1381.13671.ACB8DE7@localhost> Message-ID: <00da01c232e0$a4cc22e0$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> As I said, I'm too close to them to be objective. I can see both sides of what you and Paul say. Right now, it's just the chrysalis of an idea. I can feel something there but have no clue what just yet. I feel like a sculptor facing a pure, uncut block for the first time. I know something's in there and I know hard work will make it appear. As far as appreciating the images, I have no doubt they would. I've done some sitting with a few and have met with approval from all sides. I think I'm feeling something a lot more than simple portraiture. I am thinking more along the lines of photo essay here. Perhaps I hesitate because of the enormity of the work involved. Most of my girls are not camera shy; one has posted a photo series of her own orchiechtomy online. But I want the down moments, the times of fear and doubt as well as the up moments. Not a day in a life but the emergence of a new life and its cost. Perhaps I am working this out as we talk, but I am just so very close to the action. Beard removal is the most costly and time-consuming part of a transition. I spend literally one to two hundred hours with these gals and they are some very long and intense sessions. I am the first stop for most as they begin their journey from one gender to another. Paul and Tom, your opinions are so perfectly balanced. If I question my own motives further, it just may be a simple effort to open the door a bit further for some better acceptance of some special ladies. Thanks for being so damn' special and open with your messages! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Trottier" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) > Dear Eve Girard, > > Not an ethical question to my mind, but of sensitivity and love. > > They might really appreciate the pictures. Why not ask, then pass > resulting pictures by them, then ask for a model release when they've > seen them and you've told them what you'd like to do with the pictures. > > tOM > > On Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 22:57, Eve Girard > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbow" saying: > > > There's a full moon; that has to explain everything! I was thinking > > that tonight would be a great time to ask opinions from the group of an > > ethical problem that I may face. Perhaps it's just a perceived problem > > in my eyes because I'm too close to the heart of it. And I'm asking > > this with the hope that our usually bright crowd can give this the > > respect that I feel it deserves. As you all are sick of hearing, I earn > > my principal living as an electrologist. For those of you who don't > > know, that's permanent hair removal. I have a very diverse and > > interesting set of clients, to say the least. A growing percentage of > > electrolysis clients are trans-gendered. I have almost twenty in my > > roster alone. They are for the most part simply lovely people who have > > faced a huge problem as best they can. It's a massive life-choice and I > > admire their bravery. My problem is this. I want to do a photo study > > of the local group. As I say, a lot are my friends. We have a very > > unique relationship (the issue is even discussed at our annual > > conventions) and I wind up being a surrogate sister to a lot of them. I > > eat at their houses and am otherwise involved in their world. Am I > > taking advantage of them if I bring out a camera? Am I being > > exploitive? As I say, I'm too close to them to be objective. As a > > group, they would do whatever I wanted, so I just can't follow their > > word here. Does anyone out there have a comment that's not rude or > > biased? I am seriously stuck on this. I have no idea where I would go > > with it but I want to leave my options open. HELP!!!! > ... > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 07:49:22 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:49:22 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) In-Reply-To: <00c601c232d7$0cbf0d40$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3E15B2.30857.AD41EA0@localhost> There's also more free images at http://www.eyetide.com/servlet/com.eyetide.servlets.Redirect?to=http%3A% 2F%2Fwww.eyetide.com%2Fmembers%2Fmanage.jsp%3Fm%3D4210268%26k%3DmJOJ6yM2 &MemberID=4210268&ImageID=27718&OfferID=0 tOM On Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 22:57, Eve Girard wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbow" saying: ... > I was cruising the Magnum site recently and fell in love with their > Eyetide screen saver setup. It is Magnum pictures that you can select > and renew as a saver. Right now, I have Capa, Arnold and a bunch more > parading across my screen. Every day an new batch in your selected > categories are available. You can retain favorites or just let the list > purge as it needs. Try it, you'll like it! ... ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 10:15:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Portrait ethics (was Fishbowl) In-Reply-To: <00d001c232dd$ae50fe60$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020724091552.81996.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> You're welcome Eve, glad to be of service. Actually I like Tom's approach, though I would look for some way to make the initial invitation as low-pressure as possible. Maybe you could just present your ideas (when formed enough) in a group context (to the extent possible), and ask them not to answer then & there, but rather to respond to you individually & privately if they're interested in participating. I think that in the hands of someone as sensitive and caring as you, it could be a really powerful project. Best wishes, -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > Paul, > I knew I could count on your sage advice. > That's the direction in which > I'm leaning (when in doubt, don't). Thanks for > being there . . . > Eve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul R." > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:30 PM > Subject: [KOML] Re: Portrait ethics (was Fishbowl) > > > > Eve, > > > > I have a transgendered person close to me as well. > As > > much as I would like to have some nice pictures of > her > > (as of anyone close to me), I stopped asking long > ago, > > as I know she despises having her picture taken -- > but > > might be too polite, if pressured, to say no. > > > > You must rely on your gut and on your knowledge of > the > > personalities involved, but my advice would be > that if > > you can't trust them to be completely honest with > you > > about their true wishes -- don't ask. > > > > -Paul > > > > > > > > --- Eve Girard wrote: > > > > > > A growing percentage of electrolysis clients > > > are trans-gendered. I > > > have almost twenty in my roster alone. They are > for > > > the most part simply > > > lovely people who have faced a huge problem as > best > > > they can. It's a > > > massive life-choice and I admire their bravery. > My > > > problem is this. I want > > > to do a photo study of the local group. As I > say, a > > > lot are my friends. We > > > have a very unique relationship (the issue is > even > > > discussed at our annual > > > conventions) and I wind up being a surrogate > sister > > > to a lot of them. I eat > > > at their houses and am otherwise involved in > their > > > world. Am I taking > > > advantage of them if I bring out a camera? Am I > > > being exploitive? As I > > > say, I'm too close to them to be objective. As > a > > > group, they would do > > > whatever I wanted, so I just can't follow their > word > > > here. Does anyone out > > > there have a comment that's not rude or biased? > I > > > am seriously stuck on > > > this. I have no idea where I would go with it > but I > > > want to leave my > > > options open. HELP!!!! > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > > http://health.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 10:25:56 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul R.) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Koni song In-Reply-To: <3D3E1BE5.D0B0C038@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020724092556.85926.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> --- Nancy Brown wrote: > Better get a copyright on this before Puff the Magic > Diddy claims it as > his own!!! > (Word to yo`mama) > M.C.Robert > > MC, Don't get me started about sampling rappers masquerading as musicians! That guy makes my teeth itch ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 13:57:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Roger Wiser) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:57:37 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) References: <3D3E1381.13671.ACB8DE7@localhost> <00da01c232e0$a4cc22e0$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3EA441.38FF7372@cni-usa.com> Hi K-O people. I enjoy this group even if none of my postings go through. It has prompted renewed interest in my Rapid. I especially enjoy Eve's postings .. if she can express as well in photos as she does in the written word, she must be an excellent photographer. I am amazed she is not a full-time photographer but she is in an equally hairy profession. Roger PS. What does "orchiechtomy" mean? Eve Girard wrote: > As I said, I'm too close to them to be objective. I can see both sides of (cut) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 15:03:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:03:01 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) References: <3D3E1381.13671.ACB8DE7@localhost> <00da01c232e0$a4cc22e0$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> <3D3EA441.38FF7372@cni-usa.com> Message-ID: <010201c2331a$d3793ee0$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Roger, You're waaay too kind! We're glad you have come on board before Barbara has come up with an initiation ritual! In answer to your PS, it's what a rancher would do to a young bull to make it a steer. (Ain't no way I'M saying castration . . .) Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Wiser" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) > Hi K-O people. I enjoy this group even if none of my postings go through. It has > prompted renewed interest in my Rapid. > > I especially enjoy Eve's postings .. if she can express as well in photos as she > does in the written word, she must be an excellent photographer. I am amazed she > is not a full-time photographer but she is in an equally hairy profession. > > Roger > > PS. What does "orchiechtomy" mean? > > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > As I said, I'm too close to them to be objective. I can see both sides of > > (cut) > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 15:07:18 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:07:18 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Portrait ethics (was Fishbowl) References: <20020724091552.81996.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010a01c2331b$6c29af80$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> > ask them not to > answer then & there, but rather to respond to you > individually & privately if they're interested in > participating. Paul, I think this is an excellent way to approach it! You, sir, are an itchy-toothed genius! Eve :>) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 16:20:27 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:20:27 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) References: <20020724052401.30733.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> <00c601c232d7$0cbf0d40$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3EC5BB.13230B25@earthlink.net> Anticipation of the unknown often leads to that "walking the tightrope" feeling that you`re experiencing right now.It`s obvious that you`ve earned the trust and respect of your friends, and I have a feeling that at least a few of them would enjoy participating in such an intimate project.In a relaxed and open-minded environment, there would be no need for fear, especially with some peer support....I`m sure they would know your intentions are from the heart.Venture forth...... Robert Eve Girard wrote: > There's a full moon; that has to explain everything! I was thinking that > tonight would be a great time to ask opinions from the group of an ethical > problem that I may face. Perhaps it's just a perceived problem in my eyes > because I'm too close to the heart of it. And I'm asking this with the hope > that our usually bright crowd can give this the respect that I feel it > deserves. As you all are sick of hearing, I earn my principal living as an > electrologist. For those of you who don't know, that's permanent hair > removal. I have a very diverse and interesting set of clients, to say the > least. A growing percentage of electrolysis clients are trans-gendered. I > have almost twenty in my roster alone. They are for the most part simply > lovely people who have faced a huge problem as best they can. It's a > massive life-choice and I admire their bravery. My problem is this. I want > to do a photo study of the local group. As I say, a lot are my friends. We > have a very unique relationship (the issue is even discussed at our annual > conventions) and I wind up being a surrogate sister to a lot of them. I eat > at their houses and am otherwise involved in their world. Am I taking > advantage of them if I bring out a camera? Am I being exploitive? As I > say, I'm too close to them to be objective. As a group, they would do > whatever I wanted, so I just can't follow their word here. Does anyone out > there have a comment that's not rude or biased? I am seriously stuck on > this. I have no idea where I would go with it but I want to leave my > options open. HELP!!!! > I was cruising the Magnum site recently and fell in love with their > Eyetide screen saver setup. It is Magnum pictures that you can select and > renew as a saver. Right now, I have Capa, Arnold and a bunch more parading > across my screen. Every day an new batch in your selected categories are > available. You can retain favorites or just let the list purge as it needs. > Try it, you'll like it! > Ya know, we should try to mention K-O in some form at least once in our > posts. I'd hate to have Clive scold us for being simple yakkers. So, I'll > add my bit here. I'm still looking for the silver rangefinder window facing > piece for a Rapid. (Also for non-AI Nikkors in any shape, but don't tell > Clive!) > OK, the rant is over and I'm going out to watch the moon float by. > Eve :>) > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 16:26:52 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Beaver, John) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:26:52 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) Message-ID: Eve, Do you know Wendy Mukluk? She might be a good one to ask about your ethical question, as she has done a photo essay similar to what it sounds like you want to do, down to the fact that this was a close group of longtime friends. Here is a link: http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~mukluk/index.html Her homepage is: http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~mukluk/index.html I emailed her once about her cyanotype prints, and she did respond (it took a while, as I recall). I think she lives in Madison, WI (I'm a couple hours away in Appleton). Hope this helps, John -----Original Message----- From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:58 AM To: koml@koni-omega.org Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) There's a full moon; that has to explain everything! I was thinking that tonight would be a great time to ask opinions from the group of an ethical problem that I may face. Perhaps it's just a perceived problem in my eyes because I'm too close to the heart of it. And I'm asking this with the hope that our usually bright crowd can give this the respect that I feel it deserves. As you all are sick of hearing, I earn my principal living as an electrologist. For those of you who don't know, that's permanent hair removal. I have a very diverse and interesting set of clients, to say the least. A growing percentage of electrolysis clients are trans-gendered. I have almost twenty in my roster alone. They are for the most part simply lovely people who have faced a huge problem as best they can. It's a massive life-choice and I admire their bravery. My problem is this. I want to do a photo study of the local group. As I say, a lot are my friends. We have a very unique relationship (the issue is even discussed at our annual conventions) and I wind up being a surrogate sister to a lot of them. I eat at their houses and am otherwise involved in their world. Am I taking advantage of them if I bring out a camera? Am I being exploitive? As I say, I'm too close to them to be objective. As a group, they would do whatever I wanted, so I just can't follow their word here. Does anyone out there have a comment that's not rude or biased? I am seriously stuck on this. I have no idea where I would go with it but I want to leave my options open. HELP!!!! I was cruising the Magnum site recently and fell in love with their Eyetide screen saver setup. It is Magnum pictures that you can select and renew as a saver. Right now, I have Capa, Arnold and a bunch more parading across my screen. Every day an new batch in your selected categories are available. You can retain favorites or just let the list purge as it needs. Try it, you'll like it! Ya know, we should try to mention K-O in some form at least once in our posts. I'd hate to have Clive scold us for being simple yakkers. So, I'll add my bit here. I'm still looking for the silver rangefinder window facing piece for a Rapid. (Also for non-AI Nikkors in any shape, but don't tell Clive!) OK, the rant is over and I'm going out to watch the moon float by. Eve :>) _______________________________________________ KOML mailing list KOML@koni-omega.org http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 18:29:10 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Re: Portrait ethics (was Fishbowl) In-Reply-To: <010a01c2331b$6c29af80$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020724172910.42193.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: > Paul, > I think this is an excellent way to approach it! > You, sir, are an > itchy-toothed genius! > Eve :>) > I've been called many things, Eve, but that's a first!! -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 19:08:37 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:08:37 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) References: Message-ID: <011c01c2333d$22b98380$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> John, Thanks for the link! Wendy explored a different world, that of drag queens, the bizarre and the slightly off-center. Icons of the gay community. While her friends and family, they occupy a different niche than do my group of trans folk. Perhaps it's important to state that there is a major difference between cross-dressing and trans-gendered. I know the old agony of life thing is a recurrent theme in most works be it photography, poetry or a novel. It may be a re-invention of the wheel to attempt it (and my wheels usually have square corners) but I'm feeling compelled to try. Can't be any worse than a friend in Seattle who essays violent dominant lesbians! Thanks again, Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beaver, John" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:26 AM Subject: RE: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) > Eve, > > Do you know Wendy Mukluk? She might be a good one to ask about your ethical > question, as she has done a photo essay similar to what it sounds like you > want to do, down to the fact that this was a close group of longtime > friends. Here is a link: > > http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~mukluk/index.html > > Her homepage is: > > http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~mukluk/index.html > > I emailed her once about her cyanotype prints, and she did respond (it took > a while, as I recall). I think she lives in Madison, WI (I'm a couple hours > away in Appleton). > > Hope this helps, > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eve Girard [mailto:evegir@reachone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:58 AM > To: koml@koni-omega.org > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) > > > There's a full moon; that has to explain everything! I was thinking that > tonight would be a great time to ask opinions from the group of an ethical > problem that I may face. Perhaps it's just a perceived problem in my eyes > because I'm too close to the heart of it. And I'm asking this with the hope > that our usually bright crowd can give this the respect that I feel it > deserves. As you all are sick of hearing, I earn my principal living as an > electrologist. For those of you who don't know, that's permanent hair > removal. I have a very diverse and interesting set of clients, to say the > least. A growing percentage of electrolysis clients are trans-gendered. I > have almost twenty in my roster alone. They are for the most part simply > lovely people who have faced a huge problem as best they can. It's a > massive life-choice and I admire their bravery. My problem is this. I want > to do a photo study of the local group. As I say, a lot are my friends. We > have a very unique relationship (the issue is even discussed at our annual > conventions) and I wind up being a surrogate sister to a lot of them. I eat > at their houses and am otherwise involved in their world. Am I taking > advantage of them if I bring out a camera? Am I being exploitive? As I > say, I'm too close to them to be objective. As a group, they would do > whatever I wanted, so I just can't follow their word here. Does anyone out > there have a comment that's not rude or biased? I am seriously stuck on > this. I have no idea where I would go with it but I want to leave my > options open. HELP!!!! > I was cruising the Magnum site recently and fell in love with their > Eyetide screen saver setup. It is Magnum pictures that you can select and > renew as a saver. Right now, I have Capa, Arnold and a bunch more parading > across my screen. Every day an new batch in your selected categories are > available. You can retain favorites or just let the list purge as it needs. > Try it, you'll like it! > Ya know, we should try to mention K-O in some form at least once in our > posts. I'd hate to have Clive scold us for being simple yakkers. So, I'll > add my bit here. I'm still looking for the silver rangefinder window facing > piece for a Rapid. (Also for non-AI Nikkors in any shape, but don't tell > Clive!) > OK, the rant is over and I'm going out to watch the moon float by. > Eve :>) > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 19:59:07 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:59:07 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) References: <3D3E1381.13671.ACB8DE7@localhost> <00da01c232e0$a4cc22e0$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> <3D3EA441.38FF7372@cni-usa.com> Message-ID: <020c01c23344$30c980e0$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Roger, I was in a rush when I first read your message, so I didn't have the time to fully reply. I am concerned that no posting have been getting through to the list! You're too bright a light to be kept in the dark (groan)(I can't believe I said that). What did you do differently this time to get through? If you switched to plain text and flushed HTML, that's the secret. Clive's anti-matter device senses HTML and deconstructs it. One must be determined and intrepid to post to KOML! I am pleased that your Rapid is going to undergo a revival. It certainly is part of a lovely little system, one that is simple, yet elegant. I have a pair of Rapids that I use the heck out of. I enjoy RB-67's, too, but look at the workout you get when you go afield! SO, for 'blad quality negs, larger negs and portability, how can one lose with K-O? Top say nothing of Mucho cheaper! Ok, Clive, there's the rent paid . . . ;>) I hope we hear more, Roger! As I'm sure you've noticed, occasionally, we do have a photo-related topic! Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Wiser" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) > Hi K-O people. I enjoy this group even if none of my postings go through. It has > prompted renewed interest in my Rapid. > > I especially enjoy Eve's postings .. if she can express as well in photos as she > does in the written word, she must be an excellent photographer. I am amazed she > is not a full-time photographer but she is in an equally hairy profession. > > Roger > > PS. What does "orchiechtomy" mean? > > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > As I said, I'm too close to them to be objective. I can see both sides of > > (cut) > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 20:48:01 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:48:01 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) In-Reply-To: <00da01c232e0$a4cc22e0$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3ECC31.21009.D9CFD26@localhost> Dear Eve, Your sensitivities shouldn't prevent your bringing the issue forward to the world. I keep remembering the Minimata photos of W. Eugene Smith, but your photos could show the emergence of the inner woman from the fleshly shell, and be more life-affirming by showing change and growth, and determination. I just saw parts of a TV show about testosterone last night that showed the gradual reverse transformation. He was very happy, and I was amazed. My advice: discuss, discuss, discuss with your subjects. tOM On Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 0:06, Eve Girard wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbow" saying: > As I said, I'm too close to them to be objective. I can see both sides > of what you and Paul say. Right now, it's just the chrysalis of an > idea. I can feel something there but have no clue what just yet. I > feel like a sculptor facing a pure, uncut block for the first time. I > know something's in there and I know hard work will make it appear. As > far as appreciating the images, I have no doubt they would. I've done > some sitting with a few and have met with approval from all sides. I > think I'm feeling something a lot more than simple portraiture. I am > thinking more along the lines of photo essay here. Perhaps I hesitate > because of the enormity of the work involved. Most of my girls are not > camera shy; one has posted a photo series of her own orchiechtomy > online. But I want the down moments, the times of fear and doubt as > well as the up moments. Not a day in a life but the emergence of a new > life and its cost. Perhaps I am working this out as we talk, but I am > just so very close to the action. Beard removal is the most costly and > time-consuming part of a transition. I spend literally one to two > hundred hours with these gals and they are some very long and intense > sessions. I am the first stop for most as they begin their journey from > one gender to another. Paul and Tom, your opinions are so perfectly > balanced. If I question my own motives further, it just may be a simple > effort to open the door a bit further for some better acceptance of some > special ladies. Thanks for being so damn' special and open with your > messages! Eve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Trottier" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) > > > > Dear Eve Girard, > > > > Not an ethical question to my mind, but of sensitivity and love. > > > > They might really appreciate the pictures. Why not ask, then pass > > resulting pictures by them, then ask for a model release when they've > > seen them and you've told them what you'd like to do with the > > pictures. > > > > tOM > > > > On Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 22:57, Eve Girard > > wrote re "Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbow" saying: > > > > > There's a full moon; that has to explain everything! I was thinking > > > that tonight would be a great time to ask opinions from the group of > > > an ethical problem that I may face. Perhaps it's just a perceived > > > problem in my eyes because I'm too close to the heart of it. And > > > I'm asking this with the hope that our usually bright crowd can give > > > this the respect that I feel it deserves. As you all are sick of > > > hearing, I earn my principal living as an electrologist. For those > > > of you who don't know, that's permanent hair removal. I have a very > > > diverse and interesting set of clients, to say the least. A growing > > > percentage of electrolysis clients are trans-gendered. I have > > > almost twenty in my roster alone. They are for the most part simply > > > lovely people who have faced a huge problem as best they can. It's > > > a massive life-choice and I admire their bravery. My problem is > > > this. I want to do a photo study of the local group. As I say, a > > > lot are my friends. We have a very unique relationship (the issue > > > is even discussed at our annual conventions) and I wind up being a > > > surrogate sister to a lot of them. I eat at their houses and am > > > otherwise involved in their world. Am I taking advantage of them if > > > I bring out a camera? Am I being exploitive? As I say, I'm too > > > close to them to be objective. As a group, they would do whatever I > > > wanted, so I just can't follow their word here. Does anyone out > > > there have a comment that's not rude or biased? I am seriously > > > stuck on this. I have no idea where I would go with it but I want > > > to leave my options open. HELP!!!! > > ... > > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- > > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them > > they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, > > statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 21:31:34 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Roger Wiser) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:31:34 -0500 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) References: <3D3E1381.13671.ACB8DE7@localhost> <00da01c232e0$a4cc22e0$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> <3D3EA441.38FF7372@cni-usa.com> <020c01c23344$30c980e0$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3F0EA6.7761B7B7@cni-usa.com> Eve, I did not think my post went through , I never got a copy. Thanks for your reply. Roger Eve Girard wrote: > Roger, > I was in a rush when I first read your message, so I didn't have the > time to fully reply. I am concerned that no posting have been getting (cut) From koml@koni-omega.org Wed Jul 24 21:46:15 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:46:15 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) References: <3D3E1381.13671.ACB8DE7@localhost> <00da01c232e0$a4cc22e0$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> <3D3EA441.38FF7372@cni-usa.com> <020c01c23344$30c980e0$dfe6b1d8@evegirard> <3D3F0EA6.7761B7B7@cni-usa.com> Message-ID: <001301c23353$28867dc0$2ee6b1d8@evegirard> Roger, Check to see if you are subscribed in Digest mode. This is a notoriously slow response. Individual messages is a better choice. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Wiser" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [KOML] Re: Anything but cameras (was: Fishbowl) > Eve, I did not think my post went through , I never got a copy. > Thanks for your reply. > > Roger > > Eve Girard wrote: > > > Roger, > > I was in a rush when I first read your message, so I didn't have the > > time to fully reply. I am concerned that no posting have been getting > > (cut) > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 25 07:33:26 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Joe Sjostrom) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:33:26 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The Wait is Still Excrutiating Message-ID: <62BF19AD.5BB2C693.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Hello to all,  I've been a consumer rather than a producer lately of wisdom on Omega cameras, great photographers, and life. You all have been making me think a little, and chuckle a whole bunch lately.  Good luck with your photo-essay plans, Eve. If you go ahead with this, would you be exploiting them? Well, sure, to the extent that you plan to publicly express a vision of them that may differ from their vision of themselves, and to the extent that you're doing it for the sake of the self-expression rather than sake of, let's say, enabling your subjects to express themselves. But hey, portrayal of other people and events through one's own prism is what artists do, and everybody who does it draws the line in a different place. You could be setting yourself up for a walk across a minefield, but what an adventure it will be! I think probably you could pull it off if you relate to people in person like you do in writing. It's pretty awsome when people trust you with their words and images, but you sound like a person who could handle it. You just may want to plan ahead what you'll do in situations where your vision of your subjects is different from theirs.  I'm a fan of too many photographers to list, but especially guys like Steiglitz and also W. Eugene Smith. The man (Smith) was obsessed, and he deserted his family, but by golly he made a lot of good pictures: Pittsburgh, Japan, the Pacific theater, Spain. I like practically anybody who worked before the ascendancy of the 35mm camera. Check out Morris Rosenfeld, who photographed sailboats on the east coast starting early in the last century. (See http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Stu/kdthorva/rosenfelds.html) Great boats, great pictures.  I haven't figured out how to add a message to an existing thread. What's the trick? Everything I send appears as a new thread, which interrupts the flow.  By the way, it seems that all parts of my Omega 200 work together in proper concert. I shot a roll of 120 Provia, and the film should be ready today or tomorrow, so I'll soon know for sure what's what. I shot most of the roll in my wife's backyard perernnial garden, and bracketed like crazy, as much as you can with 10 exposures. If my photos look as good as her sunflowers, I'll be happy.   Too many of my photos are visual heaps of clutter. Where does all that stuff come from? I sure didn't notice it in the viewfinder! Joe               __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 25 08:10:48 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:10:48 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The Wait is Still Excrutiating References: <62BF19AD.5BB2C693.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Message-ID: <001901c233aa$67edf4a0$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> Joe, Thanks for the warm words of confidence! I do think I can make this a good thing (my proposed essay) for all concerned. I must be getting some sort of wisdom in my advancing years. I can remember a day when I would have lowered my head and charged. (and Bugs would raise the cape and I would crash into that brick wall . . .) But the modern sensitive me wanted validification on this idea that won't leave. The response of all the caring KOML people has made me puddle up with moist eyes more than once. I spoke to one of clients tonight and her response was very strongly in favor. I warned her that this won't be a fluff piece. Warts and all will be visible! Good ole Gene Smith was a handful, wasn't he? His "Into the Garden" (?) of the two small children gives me chills when I see it. I don't enjoy confronting that image at all. Very disturbing to me. I couldn't agree more about the pre-35mm days. There's a segment of my photo heroes who are basically nameless and that's the group of early sports guys who sat in the press boxes with their 5x7 "Big Bertha" Graflexes shooting down yer throat baseball coverage. Focus was changed by way of a stick shift to move the lens. How about the old newsies who lined the base paths during a big game? Strictly Speed Graphic territory! Please remember to do the Koni dance and chant. This, combined with much luck, daring and careful scheming, will cause most anything to escape your lens' path! Many diffrent ways to add on to a thread. You can reply to the message and edit accordingly. Or just jump in. With both feet, preferably! This is a group of individuals who may border on the iconoclastic, but most of us are housebroken. Our topics as I'm sure you've noticed are spur-of-the- moment and unplanned. With the exception of yours truly, most of us are cheap dates. With the exception of Nancy/Robert (who does, I believe, prefer heels) we have all worn shoes at least once in the past month. And, with NO exceptions and ALL included, this is a warm and caring group that I wouldn't trade for . . . a damn' thing. (the drums throb, candles are lit, Paul steps to the mike, dressed in straw hat, cargo shorts and black hi-tops with many holes. . . .) My Coolpix 950 is in my hands at last. Mint in the box. Now THIS will be an adventure! Joe, I wish you the best with that first roll thru your 200! Please let us know how it looks! Those Velvia trannies are to die for! Eyelids are drooping, time to sign out for the while. Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Sjostrom" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: [KOML] The Wait is Still Excrutiating > Hello to all, > I've been a consumer rather than a producer lately of wisdom on Omega > cameras, great photographers, and life. You all have been making me > think a little, and chuckle a whole bunch lately. > Good luck with your photo-essay plans, Eve. If you go ahead with this, would you be exploiting them? Well, sure, to the extent that you plan to > publicly express a vision of them that may differ from their vision of > themselves, and to the extent that you're doing it for the sake of the > self-expression rather than sake of, let's say, enabling your subjects > to express themselves. But hey, portrayal of other people and events > through one's own prism is what artists do, and everybody who does it > draws the line in a different place. You could be setting yourself up > for a walk across a minefield, but what an adventure it will be! > I think probably you could pull it off if you relate to people in > person like you do in writing. It's pretty awsome when people trust > you with their words and images, but you sound like a person who could > handle it. You just may want to plan ahead what you'll do in situations > where your vision of your subjects is different from theirs. > I'm a fan of too many photographers to list, but especially guys like > Steiglitz and also W. Eugene Smith. The man (Smith) was obsessed, and he > deserted his family, but by golly he made a lot of good pictures: > Pittsburgh, Japan, the Pacific theater, Spain. I like practically > anybody who worked before the ascendancy of the 35mm camera. Check out > Morris Rosenfeld, who photographed sailboats on the east coast starting > early in the last century. (See > http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Stu/kdthorva/rosenfelds.html) Great boats, > great pictures. > I haven't figured out how to add a message to an existing thread. > What's the trick? Everything I send appears as a new thread, which > interrupts the flow. > By the way, it seems that all parts of my Omega 200 work together in > proper concert. I shot a roll of 120 Provia, and the film should be ready > today or tomorrow, so I'll soon know for sure what's what. I shot most of > the roll in my wife's backyard perernnial garden, and bracketed like > crazy, as much as you can with 10 exposures. If my photos look as good > as her sunflowers, I'll be happy. > Too many of my photos are visual heaps of clutter. Where does all that > stuff come from? I sure didn't notice it in the viewfinder! > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 25 09:31:21 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 04:31:21 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The Wait is Still Excrutiating In-Reply-To: <001901c233aa$67edf4a0$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3F7F19.9164.1057D64B@localhost> On Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 0:10, Eve Girard wrote re "Re: [KOML] The Wait is Still Excrutiating" saying: > There's a segment of my photo heroes who are basically nameless and > that's the group of early sports guys who sat in the press boxes with > their 5x7 "Big Bertha" Graflexes shooting down yer throat baseball > coverage. Focus was changed by way of a stick shift > to move the lens. That stick shift is still used in the movies, and probably in TV. Set your focus stops and either 1st base or home is in focus. tOM ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 25 09:32:59 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] The Wait ... and tOM In-Reply-To: <001901c233aa$67edf4a0$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020725083259.41654.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eve Girard wrote: > Paul steps to the mike, dressed in straw hat, cargo > shorts and black hi-tops > with many holes. . . .) What, no shirt? I blush. > My Coolpix 950 is in my hands at last. Mint in > the box. Now THIS will > be an adventure! Yes it will! Have fun Eve, and let us know how you make out (as if you WOULDN'T). > Joe, I wish you the best with that first roll > thru your 200! Please let > us know how it looks! I second that emotion. Joe, as for cluttered flower pictures, I recall reading that one favorite trick of flower shooters is to place a dark piece of paper or card stock behind the subject, preferably beyond the zone of apparent focus, to isolate. Sure, it looks a bit unnatural, but not unpleasing to my eye. Of course, selective focus alone can also go a long way toward reducing distractions (with the right subject). You may find a few 'surprise guests' near the edges of your Koni frames, until you get accustomed to the viewfinder! Or the opposite (headless flowers, people, etc.). On a different and completely frivolous note, I used to think that our dear friend Monsieur Trottier was ... how to put this delicately ... shift-key-challenged. But after watching closely for the last few days, I cannot escape the conclusion that his unfailingly consistent signature "tOM" is deliberate. What gives? A reference to Olympus SLRs? A stage name, akin to Prince's former glyph? A political statement?? Sleepless (and pointless) in SoCal, -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 25 09:46:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:46:44 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The Wait is Still Excrutiating References: <3D3F7F19.9164.1057D64B@localhost> Message-ID: <002c01c233b7$cec2cd60$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> Tom, Not much new under the sun, eh? My 1947 Graphic/Graflex Photography book shows "the boys" with their 40" Dallmeyer Berthas. There was even a 60" Dallmeyer version. Just think, as the afternoon game went on, the films were rushed to the paper in time to make the evening edition. All this in the 30's and 40's. Maybe we're not as advanced as we think . . . Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Trottier" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [KOML] The Wait is Still Excrutiating > On Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 0:10, Eve Girard > wrote re "Re: [KOML] The Wait is Still Excrutiating" saying: > > > There's a segment of my photo heroes who are basically nameless and > > that's the group of early sports guys who sat in the press boxes with > > their 5x7 "Big Bertha" Graflexes shooting down yer throat baseball > > coverage. Focus was changed by way of a stick shift > > to move the lens. > > That stick shift is still used in the movies, and probably in TV. Set > your focus stops and either 1st base or home is in focus. > > tOM > ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- > ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 > _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 > (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laws are the spider's webs which, > if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, > but large things break through and escape. > --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 25 10:11:06 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:11:06 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The Wait ... and tOM References: <20020725083259.41654.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c233bb$35b12d20$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> > > > Paul steps to the mike, dressed in straw hat, cargo > > shorts and black hi-tops > > with many holes. . . .) > > What, no shirt? I blush. Hey, it's MY fantasy! > Sleepless (and pointless) in SoCal, Joined by Eve (sleepless and pointy-headed in Wa State) From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 25 18:35:32 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:35:32 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The Wait ... and tOM In-Reply-To: <20020725083259.41654.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001901c233aa$67edf4a0$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D3FFEA4.15343.124A0AF3@localhost> Dear Paul Reese, Yes, my primary system is Olympus OM, also (recently) discontinued. It's also very sturdy, but I have fewer close-up framing/focus problems.I got my first OM2 35 years ago. tOM On Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 1:32, Paul Reese wrote re "Re: [KOML] The Wait ... and tOM" saying: ... > On a different and completely frivolous note, I used > to think that our dear friend Monsieur Trottier was > ... how to put this delicately ... > shift-key-challenged. But after watching closely for > the last few days, I cannot escape the conclusion that > his unfailingly consistent signature "tOM" is > deliberate. What gives? A reference to Olympus SLRs? > A stage name, akin to Prince's former glyph? A > political statement?? ... ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Thu Jul 25 19:43:53 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Joe Sjostrom) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:43:53 -0400 Subject: [KOML] (no subject) Message-ID: <364D7508.66BDE189.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Thanks, Paul, for the background suggestion. Clutter in my flower photos is due in part to the clutter my wife's flower garden, which is done in the English style, i.e., stuff kind of randomly growing everywhere, though she says there's a system to it. I usually shoot flowers with the lense wide open, which, if done right, transforms the background into a blurr of color. If I get a bee or a butterfly, so much the better. I hear, but can't confirm, that when the pros want a butterfly in a photo, they just pluck one out of the freezer! I actually own a 4x5 camera, a Crown Graphic. Twenty years ago when my employer (the Chicago Tribune) still used b&w and I worked late at night, the photographers let me run my negatives through the film processing machine, and let me use the darkroom to reload the film holders. Convenient and cheap! Now, it costs at least a dollar a sheet to process 4x5 commercially, and I don't have time or space for a home darkroom at present. So the C.G. sits in a closet...for now. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 26 06:17:02 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:17:02 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The Ones We Carry Message-ID: <016301c23463$ade88a60$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> After reading Joe's posting and his mention of his Crown, I began to wonder if we are users of obsolete equipment for any particular reason. tOm has his OM's, we all use Koni's; how far does this go as a group? Are we a hardy old breed? Or just what is it? I know we have the digital dabblers, so you folks take a breath! My Coolpix 950 is the newest thing in this house by a long shot. A quick check of my own motley crew leaves a Sinar as the next in youth - and it's old enough to vote! Everything else is damn' old. Is there a reason for our choices that goes beyond the fact that we can? I know, "They don't make 'em like that anymore." But what is the appeal in our old things? Maybe I am over-intellectualizing this whole thing (now THAT's hard to believe) but my curiosity is aroused (be nice, Paul). Maybe my own attraction to the "classics" (hate that word) is just their innate reliability. The 950 will be an artifact in ten years or so, while my Nikon F and Rapids will still be earning their keep. Is that it? Or are we just stubborn enough that the latest whizz-bang on the market doesn't have the sex appeal (down, Robert) that our old iron does. Is it the attention we get when we unlimber the odd-looking antiques? Sometimes, I do confess, I have taken out a specific camera to create a stir. Last time I was in San Diego, at Seaworld, it took me about a good half hour to get past the gate guys. They were all enthralled by my baby Linhof steup that I had just unlimbered. Was I trying for attention? Probably. Did I have the right camera for the situation? Yes. 6x9 Velvia trannies are stunning. People do notice. Haven't you all seen the chronic "camera envy" that makes folks check out your equipment? (that's CAMERA equipment, all of you) I carry a Retina in my purse - always. Will the 950 replace the Retina IIa as my handbag-cam? Nope. It's just not tough enough. Do people comment? Yup! (Do I meet men? Yes. Most are total dorks re photography) So, where am I going with this whole thing? Don't have a clue (easy, tOM), perhaps it's just some random musings. I understand the technical reasons why our cameras are good. But why are we attracted to them? What is in our make-up? What is in us that makes the old and obsolete, the discontinued and little lamented, such gems in our eyes? What is the appeal to each of us? I think this is also coming from Mount Eve 'cause her KOML box was almost empty this morning (thanks, Joe). (sob) I'm off to the darkroom, so will close. Eve ;>) From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 26 06:36:53 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:36:53 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Something interesting Message-ID: <018301c23466$738b1b00$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> I was just checking my friend, Brad Severe's, web site usedphoto@aol.com. He has a Koni 60 with finder for $215. Seems like a decent buy. I gain nothing by posting this, let me hasten to say! I've done business with Brad for several years and he is a true gentleman! Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 26 08:02:15 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] The Ones We Carry -- etc. etc. In-Reply-To: <016301c23463$ade88a60$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020726070215.87922.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Ah, Eve, You're unfailingly entertaining and provoking. Where DOES it all come from? First, let me say that I'm feeling pretty smug about ferreting out, on my first try, tOM's OM allegiance. Though after typing that, it does seem kinda obvious ... oh well. So, tOM, save me here and tell us why! My own journey from modern P&S zoom to all-manual Konis is as accidental as my fall into 'serious(?) amateur' photography. After my father passed away in '94, my sister ended up with his 35mm setup - a Konica FS-1 and a couple of manual focus lenses. She never used it, so when I began to appreciate that there was something beyond the P&S world that I wanted to explore, I worked a trade with her and got the FS-1. I liked it, learned on-line about the respectable and affordable Hexanon lenses, and started accumulating what has become a sizable heap of 35-format Hexanons, some FT-1s -- and a mostly mechanical, very sturdy T3. (I suspect Barry has an even bigger mound of this stuff.) And it was good. Solid, well-built, substantial ... comforting. Searching eBay regularly for "Hexanon" during those days, I used to run across these ungainly looking Koni-something-or-others, bearing mostly 90mm lenses that didn't look like they'd fit my FT-1 or T3. A mild annoyance -- until I started reading about medium format cameras on Bob Monaghan's site, and finally figured out what those big Hexanon/Omegon-bearing beasts were all about. It was lust at second sight. But Eve, I realize your question is really "why antique mechanical cameras", not "why Konis?". All of the practical/functional reasons aside, I think for me it boils down to staying a little closer to nature. Sure, I realize that some pretty impressive human engineering and machining goes into these things. But mechanical devices, no matter how sophisticated, still seem more intuitive, more natural, and more organic to me. And so do the sounds they make. Which calls to mind the fact that while I enjoy my electric and electronic musical instruments, they will never duplicate or replace the mechanically-generated thrill of an acoustic violin or guitar or human voice. It's something about our psycho-acoustic makeup (easy, gang) -- there's simply a greater range of expression available. And more subtlety. And having grown up knowing that in violins, older is usually BETTER -- maybe I was primed to be receptive to older cameras as well. Interestingly (at least to ME -- anybody else still reading?), I'm even becoming more interested in classic cars -- which can't be attributed to nostalgia, really, since I grew up in the Age of Toyota. Heavy metal is just more understandable, hence more trustworthy. That's the best I can do by way of explanation. I guess I'm just a loincloth-wearing, tree-hugging, play-in-the-dirt nature boy at heart, and the shiny new electronic cameras are just a little too far removed. Though I do love my computer, PDA and DVD player. Go figure. By the way, how many other Konica 35mm users are there on this list? Besides Barry, did anyone else find Koni Truth through the Doors of Konica 35mm Experience? -Long-Winded in L.A. P.S. Come to think of it, there's also a non-conformist appeal to these things. Though for me I just enjoy knowing that a saved a bundle, and I can do without drawing a crowd. Which is why I leave the Omegaflex in the 'studio' (aka living room)! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 26 08:41:16 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:41:16 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The Ones We Carry -- etc. etc. References: <20020726070215.87922.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01a701c23477$d3d68880$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> > Ah, Eve, > > You're unfailingly entertaining and provoking. Where > DOES it all come from? Paul, you're lucky. You only have my missives a few times a week! I'm stuck, in my head, alone with me, 24/7! Lawd, save me! I can follow the rationale here and it makes great sense. Your musical background is very typical of sensitive photographers, BTW. What I'm seeing from your message and my own experience, is that there must be a common link, a thread that runs through our collective core that is uniting. Your classic car reference is another red flag. I'm just a danged old girl and I have done the classic car bit to death. Oh, my, the cars I have owned in my life . . . I'm willing to suspect that other KOML folk can say the same. If not actually owned, then there must be a fascination with hot cars if nothing else. "Non-conformist" is the term that escaped me earlier. That, too, fits our mold that is taking shape. "Does not play well with others" might be another one, but we'll reserve judgement on that! Of course, flaunting your Omegaflex at me may force me to break out the Gowlandflex to overcome my own camera-envy! Thanks for the well-done reply, Paul! I couldn't get going tonight in the darkroom. Ever have a session when you know you're flat and uninspired? Of course, the little SOB mouse who kept scurrying about on the wet side really torqued me off. It was just too distracting, After awhile my own efforts to capture it with a D2 lamphousing had me in hysterical laughter and I just gave up. > mechanical devices, no matter how sophisticated, still > seem more intuitive, more natural, and more organic to > me. And so do the sounds they make. > > Which calls to mind the fact that while I enjoy my > electric and electronic musical instruments, they will > never duplicate or replace the mechanically-generated > thrill of an acoustic violin or guitar or human voice. > It's something about our psycho-acoustic makeup > (easy, gang) -- there's simply a greater range of > expression available. And more subtlety. And having > grown up knowing that in violins, older is usually > BETTER -- maybe I was primed to be receptive to older > cameras as well. > I'm even becoming more interested in > classic cars > > That's the best I can do by way of explanation. I > guess I'm just a loincloth-wearing, tree-hugging, > play-in-the-dirt nature boy at heart, and the shiny > new electronic cameras are just a little too far > removed. > >there's also a > non-conformist appeal to these things. Though >for me > I just enjoy knowing that a saved a bundle, and >I can > do without drawing a crowd. Which is why I >leave the > Omegaflex in the 'studio' (aka living room)! > > > > From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 26 08:42:15 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:42:15 -0700 Subject: [KOML] The Ones We Carry -- etc. etc. References: <20020726070215.87922.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01ab01c23477$f6bc8de0$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> . . . and I hit "Send" instead of "cut." My bad! Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 26 11:46:05 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 03:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] The Ones We Carry -- etc. etc. In-Reply-To: <01a701c23477$d3d68880$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <20020726104605.11359.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Insomnia and loquaciousness* strike again. My comments below. (*I wouldn't know this word if it wasn't for Star Trek.) -Paul --- Eve Girard wrote: > > Of course, flaunting your > Omegaflex at me may force me to break out the > Gowlandflex to overcome my own > camera-envy! I'd love to introduce my O'flex to your Gowlandflex. Do you think they might get together and produce little Yashicamats, or mini-Rolleiflexes? We could make a killing adopting them out on eBay! I couldn't get going tonight in > the darkroom. Ever have a session when you know > you're flat and uninspired? Oh sure. When I'm flat musically, I like to pick up a different instrument, or a pen, or a camera, etc. Gotta keep mixing it up! > Of course, the little SOB mouse who kept scurrying > about on the wet side > really torqued me off. It was just too distracting, > After awhile my own > efforts to capture it with a D2 lamphousing had me > in hysterical laughter > and I just gave up. > Did you get any video?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Fri Jul 26 23:35:31 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:35:31 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Greetings from Maine Message-ID: <20020726223531.VMFA29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Well, hi, group, Just had to try to send one little post from Maine. We've been here a week or so, and I've burned up too much film already. Nope, didn't bring the Koni, takes up too much room in my already crowded van. But have some Konica stuff (yes, outdated as well). In answer to Eve's questions about why we use old stuff, in my case it's because I'm old. I've used Konicas since 1980, and have a lot of lenses and gear. And it's good quality stuff, and does a great job. So I'm keeping it. I was at West Quoddy Head Light yesterday (probably the most photographed lighthouse in the US, except perhaps Portland Head) and talked with a guy using a 4x5. He was taking B&W and was complaining because the lighthouse has red stripes and would wash out when he used his red filter. Ah, life is tuff. His 4X5, he said, was made in Vermont. How about that, Eve? Did you make cameras for a living? Anyway, we both got some good shots, and his will turn out better. This is the life - back to reality next week. Best, Barry From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 27 01:17:20 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Roger Wiser) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:17:20 -0500 Subject: [KOML] The Ones We Carry References: <016301c23463$ade88a60$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D41E690.3756D962@cni-usa.com> Hi Koni Folks & Eve: Here is what I carry besides my Koni Rapid: Konica S2 - an older rangefinder camera Rollei 35 (German) 3.5 Tessar 1980 vintage Rollei 35TE (Singapore) 3.5 Tessar " Nikon N-70 with various lens 3100 Z Epson Digital (has can be used as manual with f-stops etc. ) Ricoh GR1S I used to have a Busch Pressman, Rolleilex and Rolleicord but I sold them. My first expensive camera as a youth was a Universal Mercury II.. I am going to Door County for a week. That's the peninsula of Wisconsin the sticks way out into lake Michigan. I plan to use the Rollei, K-O, S-2 & Epson. While the Nikon is excellent I have fun with these older cameras. I am retired but use cameras in some free lance claim adjusting work. Most are simple but some can be quite involved. I recently took a series of pictures showing pollution clean up of an ammonia spill at a farm co-operative. Interesting but less intriguing than a photo essay on transvestites. Eve, you pose a good question, why do we (I) go after old things? I suppose it because I am an old thing. Roger Eve Girard wrote: > After reading Joe's posting and his mention of his Crown, I began to > wonder if we are users of obsolete equipment for any particular reason. tOm > has his OM's, we all use Koni's; how far does this go as a group? Are we a > hardy old breed? Or just what is it? I know we have the digital dabblers, > so you folks take a breath! My Coolpix 950 is the newest thing in this > house by a long shot. A quick check of my own motley crew leaves a Sinar as > the next in youth - and it's old enough to vote! Everything else is damn' > old. Is there a reason for our choices that goes beyond the fact that we > can? I know, "They don't make 'em like that anymore." But what is the > appeal in our old things? Maybe I am over-intellectualizing this whole > thing (now THAT's hard to believe) but my curiosity is aroused (be nice, > Paul). > Maybe my own attraction to the "classics" (hate that word) is just their > innate reliability. The 950 will be an artifact in ten years or so, while > my Nikon F and Rapids will still be earning their keep. Is that it? Or are > we just stubborn enough that the latest whizz-bang on the market doesn't > have the sex appeal (down, Robert) that our old iron does. Is it the > attention we get when we unlimber the odd-looking antiques? Sometimes, I do > confess, I have taken out a specific camera to create a stir. Last time I > was in San Diego, at Seaworld, it took me about a good half hour to get past > the gate guys. They were all enthralled by my baby Linhof steup that I had > just unlimbered. Was I trying for attention? Probably. Did I have the > right camera for the situation? Yes. 6x9 Velvia trannies are stunning. > People do notice. Haven't you all seen the chronic "camera envy" that makes > folks check out your equipment? (that's CAMERA equipment, all of you) I > carry a Retina in my purse - always. Will the 950 replace the Retina IIa as > my handbag-cam? Nope. It's just not tough enough. Do people comment? > Yup! (Do I meet men? Yes. Most are total dorks re photography) > So, where am I going with this whole thing? Don't have a clue (easy, > tOM), perhaps it's just some random musings. I understand the technical > reasons why our cameras are good. But why are we attracted to them? What > is in our make-up? What is in us that makes the old and obsolete, the > discontinued and little lamented, such gems in our eyes? What is the appeal > to each of us? > I think this is also coming from Mount Eve 'cause her KOML box was > almost empty this morning (thanks, Joe). (sob) > I'm off to the darkroom, so will close. > Eve > ;>) > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 27 04:32:43 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:32:43 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The Ones We Carry References: <016301c23463$ade88a60$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D42145B.9B889BD5@earthlink.net> Eve, Thanks for the props via your sly sexual reference, I entertain all compliments, no matter how cheap!I believe some of us are connected by an intangible umbilical cord, allowing us to share the same ideas and emotions,for instance, you and Paul share a similar ability in the way you form and express your ideas...good chemistry! Onto the issue of camera (and other equipment) choices; Having grown up in the late `50s and `60s,my first interest in mechanical things was the automobile,Still like old cars, particularly ones from the `50s and `60s (coincidence, huh?)They were simple,durable, and easy to understand (and had virtually no plastic on them).Can`t afford `em these days....the prices I see them selling for on e-Bay make me want to throw up (most are upwards of $25,000).They were just old cars 25 years ago.So I live vicariously thru old cameras (These I can afford)They provide a very different tactile sense and feel than any modern, plastic wondercamera.They make you slow down a little and focus more on the craft, taking two or three well-thought-out shots rather than firing off a 36-exposure roll with your autowinder.Since discovering the Rapid, I find myself walking more and thinking more about getting the best shot possible.I shoot less film than I used to, but I enjoy it more.And speaking of camera envy, I brought my Rapid to shoot a friend`s Christening a while back, and had 3 camera enthusiasts swarming all over me to check it out.They seemed quite impressed, and even more so after seeing the transparencies it produced.I don`t think you can get a better medium-format rig for the money, these things are top-notch! Enough rant for now...... Robert Eve Girard wrote: > After reading Joe's posting and his mention of his Crown, I began to > wonder if we are users of obsolete equipment for any particular reason. tOm > has his OM's, we all use Koni's; how far does this go as a group? Are we a > hardy old breed? Or just what is it? I know we have the digital dabblers, > so you folks take a breath! My Coolpix 950 is the newest thing in this > house by a long shot. A quick check of my own motley crew leaves a Sinar as > the next in youth - and it's old enough to vote! Everything else is damn' > old. Is there a reason for our choices that goes beyond the fact that we > can? I know, "They don't make 'em like that anymore." But what is the > appeal in our old things? Maybe I am over-intellectualizing this whole > thing (now THAT's hard to believe) but my curiosity is aroused (be nice, > Paul). > Maybe my own attraction to the "classics" (hate that word) is just their > innate reliability. The 950 will be an artifact in ten years or so, while > my Nikon F and Rapids will still be earning their keep. Is that it? Or are > we just stubborn enough that the latest whizz-bang on the market doesn't > have the sex appeal (down, Robert) that our old iron does. Is it the > attention we get when we unlimber the odd-looking antiques? Sometimes, I do > confess, I have taken out a specific camera to create a stir. Last time I > was in San Diego, at Seaworld, it took me about a good half hour to get past > the gate guys. They were all enthralled by my baby Linhof steup that I had > just unlimbered. Was I trying for attention? Probably. Did I have the > right camera for the situation? Yes. 6x9 Velvia trannies are stunning. > People do notice. Haven't you all seen the chronic "camera envy" that makes > folks check out your equipment? (that's CAMERA equipment, all of you) I > carry a Retina in my purse - always. Will the 950 replace the Retina IIa as > my handbag-cam? Nope. It's just not tough enough. Do people comment? > Yup! (Do I meet men? Yes. Most are total dorks re photography) > So, where am I going with this whole thing? Don't have a clue (easy, > tOM), perhaps it's just some random musings. I understand the technical > reasons why our cameras are good. But why are we attracted to them? What > is in our make-up? What is in us that makes the old and obsolete, the > discontinued and little lamented, such gems in our eyes? What is the appeal > to each of us? > I think this is also coming from Mount Eve 'cause her KOML box was > almost empty this morning (thanks, Joe). (sob) > I'm off to the darkroom, so will close. > Eve > ;>) > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 27 05:40:27 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Joe Sjostrom) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:40:27 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Preliminary results are in Message-ID: <1EEAE8FD.43D25EDA.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Well gang, I just picked up the first developed roll of Provia from my RO-200. There's no light leaks evident, and bracketing indicates the shutter speeds are accurate and/or differ from each other in increments of about one stop. Regarding the focus, well, I'm not so sure about that. What I did was to put the camera on a tripod, open the lens all the way, and move the camera closer and closer to a particular sunflower intil the images in the range-finder matched. I then commenced firing. In the developed transparency, the sunflower appears to be slightly blurred, however a day-lily about 2.5 or 3.0 feet further away appears to be quite sharp. So I don't know, maybe my rangefinder matching was off a little. Maybe I jiggled the focus knob just before shooting. Maybe I should try it again with a target that's easier to test, focus-wise, than a flower (pages of newsprint?) I have the instructions for synchronizing distance and rangefinder written by Al Thompson in 1996 and copied into an exchange of messages (this year I think) between Paul R.and Craig Krivoy, however I'm not keen on undertaking a dismantlement of the camera's front end. I'll have to decide at some point whether to give that a shot. Any advice from all you experts would be most welcome. Also, if anybody knows, what's the minimum focusing distance on a 90mm lens? i.e., what's the closest I can place the camera to the target at f/wideopen and still be in focus? Thanks very much, Joe __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 27 06:22:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:22:42 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Greetings from Maine References: <20020726223531.VMFA29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <018901c2352d$a250cd00$f7e6b1d8@evegirard> Barry, Great to hear from you! Just some random comments to offer. > Nope, didn't bring the Koni, takes up too much room in my already crowded van. But did'ja have a little bit of remorse about being Koni-less? > In answer to Eve's questions about why we use old stuff, in my case it's because I'm old. C'mon, Barry! Ya can't be THAT old!!! Hey, I was using Nikons in the '60's . . . . >His 4X5, he said, was made in Vermont. How about that, Eve? Did you make cameras for a living? Never made cameras back then, but I did make maple syrup when I was a freshman & sophomore in High school. I don't suppose that counts? Sounds like he had one of Fred Picker's Zone VI woodies, though. I miss Fred. What a great curmudgeon! He lived up the road from me in Newfane. I am envious of your Maine vacation! I haven't been back since the late 80's and I feel long overdue. I need to break out of my present rut. I'm going to be taking most of August off myself. I just have to rest and overcome my imminent burnout. I have a very dear friend in Nevada who is quite along in her years. She owns a very sweet old hotel in the Virginia City area. I usually head for her when it's time for solace and solitude. As aged as she's become this may be my last time with her. But, not to fret, I will be blabbing away on-list as usual. I use PC Anywhere to link to home from my laptop. A lot of my posting is done from the strangest places! Enjoy, Barry, for all of us! Eve > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 27 06:28:36 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Eve Girard) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:28:36 -0700 Subject: [KOML] Preliminary results are in References: <1EEAE8FD.43D25EDA.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Message-ID: <018d01c2352e$7547c240$f7e6b1d8@evegirard> Joe, I wish your results had been happier! But, at least you've checked out many of the potential trouble spots and they're ok. Sounds as if it's time to break out the tape measure and see what's close! Try the identifiable target and run some test shots as you suggested, using the rangefinder/focus knob in tandem. I do confess to being a little out of depth here, as my Rapids have always checked out, leaving me with nothing to tinker! Eve From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 27 09:30:42 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Tom Trottier) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 04:30:42 -0400 Subject: [KOML] The Ones We Carry In-Reply-To: <016301c23463$ade88a60$e9e6b1d8@evegirard> Message-ID: <3D4221F2.5014.1AA3F15C@localhost> On Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 22:17, Eve Girard wrote re "[KOML] The Ones We Carry" saying: > Everything else is damn' old. Is there a reason for our choices > that goes beyond the fact that we can? I know, "They don't make 'em > like that anymore." But what is the appeal in our old things? Maybe I > am over-intellectualizing this whole thing (now THAT's hard to believe) > but my curiosity is aroused (be nice, Paul). I have 3 main reasons: Sharpness, durability, and cost; and for the Olympi, compactness and lightness. I prefer primes to zooms for sharpness. I also use an Epic Stylus and digital SLR Olympus D600L. The Epic Stylus is way smaller, lighter, and sharper than my old original folding 35mm Retina IIa that I had many years ago as my first good camera. Then again, I don't carry a big purse... I do miss my Nikon S2 and SP rangefinders that were stolen many years ago, and my Leica IIa with collapsing 50/3.5 Elmar, likewise stolen. I like rangefinders because the focus is much more accurate than a reflex. tOM ------- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ----------------- ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 27 13:59:28 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 05:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] Frozen butterflies?! Message-ID: <20020727125928.57683.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Joe & All, This one got bounced for a funky subject line (I guess), so I'm trying again. -Paul > > --- Joe Sjostrom wrote: > > > > I hear, but can't > > confirm, that when the > > pros want a butterfly in a photo, they just pluck > > one out of the freezer! > > > And WHERE, pray tell, does one get frozen > butterflies?! I'm pretty sure I've never seen them > nestled with the Eggos and Haagen-Dazs at my market! > > And you'd have to have protective cases, and extra > freezer space, and coolers to get them to the field > & > back ... Heck, I think I like your technique > better. > Set up the shot, bring a long cable release and a > lawn > chair, and wait for some interesting insect to > appear > in the zone of focus. And if you must carry a > cooler, > fill it with beer! > > -Paul > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 27 14:19:30 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Barry F) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 9:19:30 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Greetings from Maine Message-ID: <20020727131929.KUYN3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Eve and all, Yep, I think you are right. I think he said it was a Zone VI. You amaze me with all that camera stuff you know. I do feel a little guilty being Koni-less, but my Konica stuff serves me very well. I am using PCAnywhere as we speak. My only complaint is that it's so blasted slow when controlling another machine. Have fun in August. Best, Barry > From: "Eve Girard" > Date: 2002/07/27 Sat AM 01:22:42 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [KOML] Greetings from Maine > > Barry, > Great to hear from you! Just some random comments to offer. > > Nope, didn't bring the Koni, takes up too much room in my already crowded > van. > But did'ja have a little bit of remorse about being Koni-less? > > > In answer to Eve's questions about why we use old stuff, in my case it's > because I'm old. > C'mon, Barry! Ya can't be THAT old!!! Hey, I was using Nikons in the > '60's . . . . > > >His 4X5, he said, was made in Vermont. How about that, Eve? Did you make > cameras for a living? > Never made cameras back then, but I did make maple syrup when I was a > freshman & sophomore in High school. I don't suppose that counts? Sounds > like he had one of Fred Picker's Zone VI woodies, though. I miss Fred. > What a great curmudgeon! He lived up the road from me in Newfane. > > I am envious of your Maine vacation! I haven't been back since the late > 80's and I feel long overdue. I need to break out of my present rut. I'm > going to be taking most of August off myself. > I just have to rest and overcome my imminent burnout. I have a very dear > friend in Nevada who is quite along in her years. She owns a very sweet old > hotel in the Virginia City area. I usually head for her when it's time for > solace and solitude. As aged as she's become this may be my last time with > her. But, not to fret, I will be blabbing away on-list as usual. I use PC > Anywhere to link to home from my laptop. A lot of my posting is done from > the strangest places! > Enjoy, Barry, for all of us! > Eve > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KOML mailing list > > KOML@koni-omega.org > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > > > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml > From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 27 14:26:34 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Paul Reese) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 06:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [KOML] The Ones We Carry In-Reply-To: <3D4221F2.5014.1AA3F15C@localhost> Message-ID: <20020727132634.60073.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> --- Tom Trottier wrote: Then again, I don't carry a big purse... > I'll bite. What size DO you carry, Tom? ;-) -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koml@koni-omega.org Sat Jul 27 14:49:44 2002 From: koml@koni-omega.org (Nancy Brown) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:49:44 -0400 Subject: [KOML] Preliminary results are in References: <1EEAE8FD.43D25EDA.0FC55E76@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3D42A4F8.3A4FADAB@earthlink.net> Joe, I have found, by testing various combinations of K-O bodies and lenses, that most 58/60mm and 90mm lenses will focus a bit closer than the rangefinder would indicate.However, you would need a ground glass insert to verify this.It`s not hard to make one,as a matter of fact, there was a rather extensive discourse on this subject about a year ago.You can probably locate the thread via an archive search(if not, let me know).I picked up an old Vivitar Series 6 set of three close-up auxiliary lenses and have done limited experimentation with them, the results look surprisingly good with the lower-powered lens.(Of course,Rapids are not the best choice for critical close-up work, but it`s fun fooling around with this old stuff!) Robert Joe Sjostrom wrote: > Well gang, I just picked up the first developed roll of Provia from my > RO-200. There's no light leaks evident, and bracketing indicates the > shutter speeds are accurate and/or differ from each other in increments > of about one stop. > Regarding the focus, well, I'm not so sure about that. > What I did was to put the camera on a tripod, open the lens all the way, > and move the camera closer and closer to a particular sunflower intil the > images in the range-finder matched. I then commenced firing. > In the developed transparency, the sunflower appears to be slightly > blurred, however a day-lily about 2.5 or 3.0 feet further away appears to > be quite sharp. > So I don't know, maybe my rangefinder matching was off a little. Maybe > I jiggled the focus knob just before shooting. Maybe I should try it > again with a target that's easier to test, focus-wise, than a flower > (pages of newsprint?) > I have the instructions for synchronizing distance and rangefinder > written by Al Thompson in 1996 and copied into an exchange of messages > (this year I think) between Paul R.and Craig Krivoy, however I'm not keen > on undertaking a dismantlement of the camera's front end. I'll have to > decide at some point whether to give that a shot. > Any advice from all you experts would be most welcome. > Also, if anybody knows, what's the minimum focusing distance on a 90mm > lens? i.e., what's the closest I can place the camera to the target at > f/wideopen and still be in focus? > Thanks very much, > Joe > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > KOML mailing list > KOML@koni-omega.org > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/koml From koml@koni-omeg