From BIDEWEE at aol.com Wed Jul 1 17:33:43 2009 From: BIDEWEE at aol.com (BIDEWEE at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:33:43 EDT Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 1 Message-ID: In a message dated 7/1/2009 9:19:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com writes: Yes, Royal has volunteered to host next year's AGM. We haven't had a board meeting to make it official, though. I am personally very excited for the chance to get up to Royal's "neck of the woods." -Dan Hi Dan, Sounds nice - we'll look forward to hearing more. If possible can we plan the meeting dates so they don't conflict with the Black Sheep Gathering here in Oregon (June 18-20, 2010)? Thanks! Karen Lobb **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patchworkfibers at windstream.net Wed Jul 1 17:56:55 2009 From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:56:55 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A4BDBA7.50705@windstream.net> Looks like Royal is committed :-) BIDEWEE at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/1/2009 9:19:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com writes: > > Yes, Royal has volunteered to host next year's AGM. We haven't > had a > board meeting to make it official, though. > > I am personally very excited for the chance to get up to Royal's > "neck of > the woods." > > -Dan > > Hi Dan, > Sounds nice - we'll look forward to hearing more. If possible can we > plan the meeting dates so they don't conflict with the Black Sheep > Gathering here in Oregon (June 18-20, 2010)? > > Thanks! > Karen Lobb > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation > , a place where pets > rule! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > -- http://www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlynde at onramp113.org Fri Jul 3 13:55:41 2009 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:55:41 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject) References: <20259D87F4D8DA47B9C207C1A1AC5CD40D98F9F236@IMCMBX4.MITRE.ORG> Message-ID: <08DF982FC5FB4DFE9624927F0E7ED854@your4dacd0ea75> I use Swat to keep flies away. It comes in clear and pink. I like the pink because I can tell that its there but I think the big rams get a little sheepish! Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnangelo, Nick To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject) One of my ewes ripped the tag out of her ear; the external ear is torn about halfway though, some swelling and heat but does not seem seriously infected. I have her and a friend in the barn tonight, applied topical antibiotic ointment. I am mostly concerned about fly strike. Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated! Thanks. Nick Donnangelo Shiloh Manor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From griffin45 at live.com Sat Jul 4 14:55:08 2009 From: griffin45 at live.com (Chris and Tina Griffin) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:55:08 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] torn ear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would give a Tetanus antitoxin right away and then spray with Blu-Lotion or an Iodine spray. Check it a couple of times a day, but you shouldn't have to worry to much. We have lots of goats that do that, but the sheep seem to not have a problem. 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Does anyone have good tips for keeping a lamb from getting stuck in a fence (other than expensive landscaping or moving fences)? I have one ewe that is getting caught every day or two. Her latest was to get her head stuck one way, then twist her neck around and back through the other way. She's been stuck 5 times and shows no sign of learning. Mowing the other side isn't the answer because neighbors own two pieces and won't be doing that. Partly because the other side IS landscaping. (At least they don't seem to notice that what they think of as garden is what sheep think of as a salad bar.) Brenda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From btucker at nevcoservices.com Wed Jul 8 10:19:17 2009 From: btucker at nevcoservices.com (btucker at nevcoservices.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:19:17 +0000 Subject: [Jacob-list] lambs stuck in fence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1042076461-1247062734-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1032223108-@bxe1010.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> What type of fence do you have? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Brenalan Farm" Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:29:49 To: Jacob List Subject: [Jacob-list] lambs stuck in fence _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From info at brenalanfarm.com Wed Jul 8 10:36:45 2009 From: info at brenalanfarm.com (Brenalan Farm) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:36:45 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] lambs in fence Message-ID: Thanks for the fast responses! The PVC suggestion fits my budget. We have a regular livestock/ field fence... and won't be replacing it any time soon. Tempts me to ask if anyone has figured out how to tell if a sheep that choked a bit has brain damage, but we can save that for another day! I am mostly joking, but not impressed with the intellect of sheep except for that small region of brain that can figure out how to make trouble... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barbaras8 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 8 10:42:47 2009 From: barbaras8 at hotmail.com (Barbara Schultz) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:42:47 +0000 Subject: [Jacob-list] lambs stuck in fence In-Reply-To: <1042076461-1247062734-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1032223108-@bxe1010.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1042076461-1247062734-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1032223108-@bxe1010.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Hello all, We have an old ewe that hasn't learned in 10 years not to stick her head through to get to the green grass. She gets stuck about twice a week. This past week we put plywood scraps across where she likes to put her head. So far this seems to be working. Barb Barbara Schultz www.greenwaterfarm.com > To: info at brenalanfarm.com; jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > From: btucker at nevcoservices.com > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:19:17 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] lambs stuck in fence > > What type of fence do you have? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Brenalan Farm" > > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:29:49 > To: Jacob List > Subject: [Jacob-list] lambs stuck in fence > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rlynde at onramp113.org Wed Jul 8 12:04:34 2009 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:04:34 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] lambs stuck in fence References: Message-ID: <60CD4E6D4A5E4EF087867E636333185E@your4dacd0ea75> One strand of electric wire right at nose height will do it. This is cheap and easy to put up. You just need a charger. You can get fairly inexpensive battery charged units that are portable. Or you can get electric or solar charged. Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brenalan Farm To: Jacob List Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] lambs stuck in fence Hi, everyone... Does anyone have good tips for keeping a lamb from getting stuck in a fence (other than expensive landscaping or moving fences)? I have one ewe that is getting caught every day or two. Her latest was to get her head stuck one way, then twist her neck around and back through the other way. She's been stuck 5 times and shows no sign of learning. Mowing the other side isn't the answer because neighbors own two pieces and won't be doing that. Partly because the other side IS landscaping. (At least they don't seem to notice that what they think of as garden is what sheep think of as a salad bar.) Brenda ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fourhornfarm at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 20:39:00 2009 From: fourhornfarm at verizon.net (fourhornfarm) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:39:00 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Fw: lambs stuck in fence Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: fourhornfarm To: Robin Lynde Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] lambs stuck in fence I agree with Robin. The electric will not only keep the ewe from getting her head caught, but will help keep predators from coming through those larger holes also. Since you are having to spend that much time getting her out of the fence it would be worth the small cost. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Lynde To: Brenalan Farm ; Jacob List Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] lambs stuck in fence One strand of electric wire right at nose height will do it. This is cheap and easy to put up. You just need a charger. You can get fairly inexpensive battery charged units that are portable. Or you can get electric or solar charged. Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brenalan Farm To: Jacob List Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] lambs stuck in fence Hi, everyone... Does anyone have good tips for keeping a lamb from getting stuck in a fence (other than expensive landscaping or moving fences)? I have one ewe that is getting caught every day or two. Her latest was to get her head stuck one way, then twist her neck around and back through the other way. She's been stuck 5 times and shows no sign of learning. Mowing the other side isn't the answer because neighbors own two pieces and won't be doing that. Partly because the other side IS landscaping. (At least they don't seem to notice that what they think of as garden is what sheep think of as a salad bar.) 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Its extremely concentrated, so you won't have to use so much. It'll nock those tapes out fast, and the stuff has a pretty good shelf life. Good luck -- Lynette Frick IDEAL FARM Jacob Sheep www.idealjacobsheep.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lynettefrick at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 00:29:43 2009 From: lynettefrick at gmail.com (Lynette Frick) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:29:43 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22872c750907082129rfd67ab3m7de2c1bb22031b68@mail.gmail.com> > >Does anyone have good tips for keeping a lamb from getting stuck in a > fence We have had a few sheep who just can't figure out the reason why they get stuck. The best thing we ever did was to purchase a small solar fence charger and put one wire up face level. This has saved horns, tags and lives. -- Lynette Frick IDEAL FARM Jacob Sheep www.idealjacobsheep.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carlfosbrink at yahoo.com Fri Jul 10 10:20:37 2009 From: carlfosbrink at yahoo.com (CARL FOSBRINK) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacobs For Sale Message-ID: <702907.83809.qm@web55502.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Do you need a new ram for this Fall or maybe a ewe with different lines? We currently have six rams and six ewes for sale on our web site so please check it out @ www.4hornfarm.com ? Carl and Judy Fosbrink www.4hornfarm.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paintedrockfarm at aol.com Fri Jul 10 13:22:10 2009 From: paintedrockfarm at aol.com (Cheryl Terrano) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:22:10 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] travel? Message-ID: <8CBCF9A17747A29-950-4C4@WEBMAIL-DY32.sysops.aol.com> Hi group...I have a customer who is interested in transport of a ewe lamb from WV to Florida (Tampa/Orlando). If anyone has a scheduled transport close by, please contact me off list. Thanks! Cheryl in WV http://paintedrockfarm.blogspot.com http://www.paintedrockfarm.com God longs to bring us to the place where we ache so much with His heart that to do nothing is simply no longer an option. (MATT REDMAN, The Unquenchable Worshipper) We will live as strangers and pilgrims on this earth, with sacrifice, commitment, tears and fasting, and touch the lost world with our lifestyle and commitment. (KP YOHANNAN, Founder, GOSPEL FOR ASIA) WHEN EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE SHAKEN IS SHAKEN, THE ANCHOR THAT HOLDS IS THE WISDOM OF THE CROSS. (Jason Upton, Key of David Ministries, from the CD 1200 ft below sea level). If you want to see God's power at work, you must get out of the church and into the world. Watch the extravagant lengths which God will go to reveal Himself to people who don't know Him. Then you will learn how truly awesome our God is. (Author Unknown) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aztreaz at earthlink.net Fri Jul 10 15:58:45 2009 From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:58:45 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Herbal, natural dewormers Message-ID: <410-220097510195845796@earthlink.net> --Previous Message-- >Another question - how many of you use herbal wormers on your Jacobs? Do you use them exclusively or in conjunction with chemical wormers? Have you >scientifically proven their effectiveness by microscopically checking fecals? If they work for you, what are they and where do you buy them? Any help would be >appreciated....thanks. >Sue ================ Many use garlic as a dewormer; especially those who sell organic meat. >From what I have read it seems to really work; but, perhaps, that is in areas where worm loads are low anyway. Try searching on the Internet for more information. I don't use it for deworming, but it sure is good with some rosemary on a lamb roast. There is a discussion on sheep-l about using pumpkin seeds and there was a research test done; however, the results of this test and any others are inconclusive and the value of pumpkin seeds as dewormers is still not determined. Cathy Moscow, Idaho From hannah at knoxfarms.com Fri Jul 10 16:31:02 2009 From: hannah at knoxfarms.com (Hannah) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] Herbal, natural dewormers Message-ID: <56179.64.40.83.53.1247257862.squirrel@kit.rc4systems.net> I'll just tell everyone what I replied to Sue a couple of days ago about my experiences using herbal wormer for my sheep as an FYI. I use Hoegger's Herbal wormer from the Hoegger Goat Supply Co. for sheep in the same ratio used for goats. They have on their website the results of a study that was published in the United Caprine News: http://www.hoeggergoatsupply.com/info/report.shtml It was proven to be more effective than Ivomec for most types of worms. I think it was slightly less effective for lungworms, but I worm chemically twice a year anyway (at breeding and shearing) and I still don't have any problems with coughing, etc. I'm finding through frequent FAMACHA check-ups that it is also effective against barber-pole worms. -Hannah K > --Previous Message-- >>Another question - how many of you use herbal wormers on your Jacobs? Do > you use them exclusively or in conjunction with chemical wormers? Have you >>scientifically proven their effectiveness by microscopically checking > fecals? If they work for you, what are they and where do you buy them? Any > help would be >appreciated....thanks. >>Sue > ================ > Many use garlic as a dewormer; especially those who sell organic meat. >>From what I have read it seems to really work; but, perhaps, that is in > areas where worm loads are low anyway. Try searching on the Internet for > more information. I don't use it for deworming, but it sure is good with > some rosemary on a lamb roast. There is a discussion on sheep-l about > using pumpkin seeds and there was a research test done; however, the > results of this test and any others are inconclusive and the value of > pumpkin seeds as dewormers is still not determined. > > Cathy > Moscow, Idaho > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > -- Knox Farms All Natural Goat's Milk Soaps Heritage Breed Livestock and Some That We Just Like Say NO! to National Animal ID System! http://nonais.org Member Friends of Traditional Farming http://fotfarm.org Blog blog.knoxfarms.com From farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com Sat Jul 11 13:49:49 2009 From: farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com (Laura C Frazier) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:49:49 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Ram with broken lower horn Message-ID: <59AB65CD-96E1-44E3-BD7C-375790541AF9@triad.rr.com> Hi, all. I'm new to the list and a fairly new Jacob owner/breeder. I'm wondering what becomes of beautifully marked rams with excellent fleece when one of their horns breaks off as a lamb? Are they still considered good flock sire potential or should they be wethered? Thanks! Laura Laura C Frazier FarmGirl Arts Kernersville, NC http://home.rr.com/farmgirlarts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barbaras8 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 11 14:20:04 2009 From: barbaras8 at hotmail.com (Barbara Schultz) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:20:04 +0000 Subject: [Jacob-list] Ram with broken lower horn In-Reply-To: <59AB65CD-96E1-44E3-BD7C-375790541AF9@triad.rr.com> References: <59AB65CD-96E1-44E3-BD7C-375790541AF9@triad.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi, I would vote for flock sire, if the horns were nice before the breakage. Barb Barbara Schultz www.greenwaterfarm.com To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com From: farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:49:49 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Ram with broken lower horn Hi, all. I'm new to the list and a fairly new Jacob owner/breeder. I'm wondering what becomes of beautifully marked rams with excellent fleece when one of their horns breaks off as a lamb? Are they still considered good flock sire potential or should they be wethered? Thanks! Laura Laura C Frazier FarmGirl Arts Kernersville, NC http://home.rr.com/farmgirlarts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlynde at onramp113.org Sat Jul 11 23:54:39 2009 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:54:39 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Ram with broken lower horn References: <59AB65CD-96E1-44E3-BD7C-375790541AF9@triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <3C086C3C01224E38827E6778DAD4DE47@your4dacd0ea75> It's pretty common for lamb horns to break. They usually grow back. Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Laura C Frazier To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] Ram with broken lower horn Hi, all. I'm new to the list and a fairly new Jacob owner/breeder. I'm wondering what becomes of beautifully marked rams with excellent fleece when one of their horns breaks off as a lamb? Are they still considered good flock sire potential or should they be wethered? Thanks! Laura Laura C Frazier FarmGirl Arts Kernersville, NC http://home.rr.com/farmgirlarts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at brenalanfarm.com Sun Jul 12 00:50:04 2009 From: info at brenalanfarm.com (Brenalan Farm) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:50:04 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] who needs border collies anyway?!? Message-ID: <978455DF6BDD4DEA92D547F14207A408@brenalan> When our darling dimwit got her head stuck again tonight, we went out armed with tape and PVC. And crowned her the princess of the lambie kindergarten. When freed, she tried to run back to mama, spooking the whole flock. She drove them into the corner. She drove them into the chute. She drove them back into the corner. I take it this is also an effective way to wean a lamb! (Fortunately, she is about weaned anyway, but I think this clinches it!) Thanks for the suggestions. I see the merit in electric fence, but that isn't on the priority list right now, especially if the stick works. Brenda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From southwindfarms at frontiernet.net Tue Jul 14 14:42:19 2009 From: southwindfarms at frontiernet.net (southwindfarms at frontiernet.net) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Jacob-list] Fwd: OT-transportation south available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2132332942.1182021247596939714.JavaMail.root@cl05-host04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "whwdfarm" To: srmarketing-L at cornell.edu Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:14:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: OT-transportation south available I will be heading to southern Georgia on July 23 rd returning on July 26 th . I will be driving through PA, MD, VA, NC, SC, & GA. ?My trailer will be empty going down so if you have any goats/sheep or other small critters that need transportation to buyers call me to see if we can work something out. On the way back I will have 1-2 bucks and maybe a few does and still lots of room in the trailer, so if you have bought or are thinking of buying stock from down south and need transportation north call me. ? Pam White WHWD Farm Chenango Forks, NY 607-648-6566 From farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com Tue Jul 14 20:48:33 2009 From: farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com (Laura C Frazier) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:48:33 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Horns Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for their comments and suggestions about losing lateral horns on lambs! I appreciate your help. Laura Laura C Frazier FarmGirl Arts (336) 971-3834 Kernersville, NC http://home.rr.com/farmgirlarts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also treated her with kaolin and was wondering if using anti diarrheals at the same as dewormers would interfere with the efficiency of the dewormers? Kaolin works as an absorbent and I believe that bismuth works also works to coat intestinal walls. Both supposedly bind to toxins. Would either also bind to whatever oral dewormer you are using? I know, I have entirely too much free time if I'm sitting here worrying/wondering about this :-) Linda -- http://www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep From nlgrose at yadtel.net Tue Jul 21 19:52:53 2009 From: nlgrose at yadtel.net (Neal and Louise Grose) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] dewormers and anti-diarrheals? References: <4A663C24.5010406@windstream.net> Message-ID: <3F878184B3DC48F4B61442C30CE1773C@HAL2> Linda, I am going to vote for not using anti-diarrheals with the coccidiostat. Mst of the time with treating coccidias, you will need to treat for 10 days or so, wait 10 days and then repeat treatment for 10 days to clear up newly hatched eggs. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:07 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] dewormers and anti-diarrheals? > My new ewe lamb came with a serious coccidia load and just went through a > bout of diarrhea. She's fine now, after a five day treatment with Sulmet. > I also treated her with kaolin and was wondering if using anti diarrheals > at the same as dewormers would interfere with the efficiency of the > dewormers? Kaolin works as an absorbent and I believe that bismuth works > also works to coat intestinal walls. Both supposedly bind to toxins. Would > either also bind to whatever oral dewormer you are using? > I know, I have entirely too much free time if I'm sitting here > worrying/wondering about this :-) > > Linda > > -- > http://www.patchworkfibers.com > Registered Jacob Sheep > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From patchworkfibers at windstream.net Tue Jul 21 20:17:44 2009 From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:17:44 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] dewormers and anti-diarrheals? In-Reply-To: <3F878184B3DC48F4B61442C30CE1773C@HAL2> References: <4A663C24.5010406@windstream.net> <3F878184B3DC48F4B61442C30CE1773C@HAL2> Message-ID: <4A665AA8.6050403@windstream.net> Thanks, Neal I've always treated for five days, but will go with ten on this girl and in the future. I treat the lambs individually in the spring and that seems to work well. I'm never that certain about putting the treatment in the drinking water, as the lambs don't seem to drink enough water. So, if you don't treat with anti-diarrheals, you just have to wait for the scours to clear up on it's own? Actually, the scouring cleared up after I quit using the kaolin, so perhaps that gave the Sulmet a chance to work? Maybe? Any thoughts on Sulmet over Co-rid? Linda Neal and Louise Grose wrote: > Linda, > I am going to vote for not using anti-diarrheals with the > coccidiostat. Mst of the time with treating coccidias, you will need > to treat for 10 days or so, wait 10 days and then repeat treatment for > 10 days to clear up newly hatched eggs. > Neal > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:07 PM > Subject: [Jacob-list] dewormers and anti-diarrheals? > > >> My new ewe lamb came with a serious coccidia load and just went >> through a bout of diarrhea. She's fine now, after a five day >> treatment with Sulmet. >> I also treated her with kaolin and was wondering if using anti >> diarrheals at the same as dewormers would interfere with the >> efficiency of the dewormers? Kaolin works as an absorbent and I >> believe that bismuth works also works to coat intestinal walls. Both >> supposedly bind to toxins. Would either also bind to whatever oral >> dewormer you are using? >> I know, I have entirely too much free time if I'm sitting here >> worrying/wondering about this :-) >> >> Linda >> >> -- >> http://www.patchworkfibers.com >> Registered Jacob Sheep >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks >> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > -- http://www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nlgrose at yadtel.net Wed Jul 22 05:59:07 2009 From: nlgrose at yadtel.net (Neal and Louise Grose) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] dewormers and anti-diarrheals? References: <4A663C24.5010406@windstream.net> <3F878184B3DC48F4B61442C30CE1773C@HAL2> <4A665AA8.6050403@windstream.net> Message-ID: <1E10876350AA4B468559D9B1C8F4AFA7@HAL2> Corid is specific to coccidia. We have never used sulmet, which is a sulfur drug. (I don't think that I am even supposed to have that on the premises.) I wonder if the sulfur drug could be wiping out enough of the good bacteria to be making the diarrhea worse? Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda To: Neal and Louise Grose Cc: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] dewormers and anti-diarrheals? Thanks, Neal I've always treated for five days, but will go with ten on this girl and in the future. I treat the lambs individually in the spring and that seems to work well. I'm never that certain about putting the treatment in the drinking water, as the lambs don't seem to drink enough water. So, if you don't treat with anti-diarrheals, you just have to wait for the scours to clear up on it's own? Actually, the scouring cleared up after I quit using the kaolin, so perhaps that gave the Sulmet a chance to work? Maybe? Any thoughts on Sulmet over Co-rid? Linda Neal and Louise Grose wrote: Linda, I am going to vote for not using anti-diarrheals with the coccidiostat. Mst of the time with treating coccidias, you will need to treat for 10 days or so, wait 10 days and then repeat treatment for 10 days to clear up newly hatched eggs. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:07 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] dewormers and anti-diarrheals? My new ewe lamb came with a serious coccidia load and just went through a bout of diarrhea. She's fine now, after a five day treatment with Sulmet. I also treated her with kaolin and was wondering if using anti diarrheals at the same as dewormers would interfere with the efficiency of the dewormers? Kaolin works as an absorbent and I believe that bismuth works also works to coat intestinal walls. Both supposedly bind to toxins. Would either also bind to whatever oral dewormer you are using? I know, I have entirely too much free time if I'm sitting here worrying/wondering about this :-) Linda -- http://www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -- http://www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patchworkfibers at windstream.net Wed Jul 22 06:51:29 2009 From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:51:29 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] dewormers and anti-diarrheals? In-Reply-To: <1E10876350AA4B468559D9B1C8F4AFA7@HAL2> References: <4A663C24.5010406@windstream.net> <3F878184B3DC48F4B61442C30CE1773C@HAL2> <4A665AA8.6050403@windstream.net> <1E10876350AA4B468559D9B1C8F4AFA7@HAL2> Message-ID: <4A66EF31.2010509@windstream.net> I usually use Corid, but no one had it in town. The ewe is fine now and the scours are over. Why are you not to have Sulmet? Something to do with the dairy, I suppose, but what? I was under the impression that Corid could have a number of serious side effects. Didn't they pull it from the market a few years ago? Neal and Louise Grose wrote: > Corid is specific to coccidia. We have never used sulmet, which is a > sulfur drug. (I don't think that I am even supposed to have that on > the premises.) I wonder if the sulfur drug could be wiping out enough > of the good bacteria to be making the diarrhea worse? > > Neal > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Linda > *To:* Neal and Louise Grose > *Cc:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] dewormers and anti-diarrheals? > > Thanks, Neal > > I've always treated for five days, but will go with ten on this > girl and in the future. I treat the lambs individually in the > spring and that seems to work well. I'm never that certain about > putting the treatment in the drinking water, as the lambs don't > seem to drink enough water. > So, if you don't treat with anti-diarrheals, you just have to wait > for the scours to clear up on it's own? Actually, the scouring > cleared up after I quit using the kaolin, so perhaps that gave the > Sulmet a chance to work? Maybe? > Any thoughts on Sulmet over Co-rid? > > Linda > > Neal and Louise Grose wrote: >> Linda, >> I am going to vote for not using anti-diarrheals with the >> coccidiostat. Mst of the time with treating coccidias, you will >> need to treat for 10 days or so, wait 10 days and then repeat >> treatment for 10 days to clear up newly hatched eggs. >> Neal >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" >> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:07 PM >> Subject: [Jacob-list] dewormers and anti-diarrheals? >> >> >>> My new ewe lamb came with a serious coccidia load and just went >>> through a bout of diarrhea. She's fine now, after a five day >>> treatment with Sulmet. >>> I also treated her with kaolin and was wondering if using anti >>> diarrheals at the same as dewormers would interfere with the >>> efficiency of the dewormers? Kaolin works as an absorbent and I >>> believe that bismuth works also works to coat intestinal walls. >>> Both supposedly bind to toxins. Would either also bind to >>> whatever oral dewormer you are using? >>> I know, I have entirely too much free time if I'm sitting here >>> worrying/wondering about this :-) >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.patchworkfibers.com >>> Registered Jacob Sheep >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & >>> Fiberworks >>> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com >>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks >> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list >> > > -- > http://www.patchworkfibers.com > Registered Jacob Sheep > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > -- http://www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This weekend we are going to take a few to the auction, but I would much rather see all the sheep go to other breeders, even if it is at a lower price. If anyone has any suggestions that would be great, and if people could share this with others who are not on the list that would be helpful too. They're all very good quality sheep, and would do any breeding program good. Their price only reflects my need to get them rehomed, and not the quality of the animals, as they have nice fleeces, horns, and conformation. I can supply lots of information about each individual upon request, and can go take more pictures as well. The only sheep who are staying are Luna, and Samantha, which are family pets, and any of the adult rams that do not sell. Thank you for your time, Lynette Frick IDEAL FARM Jacob Sheep www.idealjacobsheep.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: