From rshaffer1959 at msn.com  Fri Jan  2 12:39:27 2009
From: rshaffer1959 at msn.com (Ron Shaffer)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:39:27 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] fiber
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1230657320.15760.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
References: <mailman.5.1230657320.15760.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
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Just wanted to let everyone know that we have Jacob sheep raw fleece, llama raw fleece, mohair raw fleece,  as well as alpaca- suri and huacaya yarn that needs to clear before shearing time in April 2009.
 
If interested please let me know.
 
Red Clay Farm
Cynthia> From: jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com> Subject: Jacob-list Digest, Vol 52, Issue 10> To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:15:20 -0500> > Send Jacob-list mailing list submissions to> jacob-list at jacobsheep.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> jacob-list-owner at jacobsheep.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Jacob-list digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. I need some wool too (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE)> 2. Re: I need some wool too (Thomas P. Carnes)> 3. Re: I need some wool too (Linda)> 4. Re: Fleeces (gotothewhip at aol.com)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:52:02 -0800> From: "ARTHUR PARTRIDGE" <aztreaz at earthlink.net>> Subject: [Jacob-list] I need some wool too> To: "jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>> Message-ID: <410-220081212923522515 at earthlink.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII> > --Previous Message--> >I need some Jacob wool for a handspun yarn order - it can be a whole> fleece or bits from different fleeces if the wool characteristics are> >similar. I need mostly very dark wool and some gray. A freckled fleece> with dark spots would be fine. I have plenty of white here. >Fleece length> 3" or more. Medium fine, handspinning quality wool, about 2 or 3 lbs.> >We've got another month or so before shearing and I need this yarn soon. > > > >Thanks> >Linda> ================> Thanks for reminding me Linda. I need some wool also. Our> wool/fiber/spinning wheels/knitting group is having a fiber exchange later> in January and I don't want to deplete my own wool stash. I thought about> not doing this event, but it is a good time to promote Jacob sheep. I will> include photos with the wool. I will need about 3 lbs of scoured and> washed wool ready for spinning; although I can card the wool with my drum> carder, I can do that much on my own <grin>. Linda's order is more> important than mine and she asked first. I would like some dark chocolate> brown or black and some white. Perhaps some gray if the other is not> available.> > Thanks,> Cathy> Moscow, Idaho> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:05:26 +0000> From: "Thomas P. Carnes" <tcarnes at carnesely.com>> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] I need some wool too> To: aztreaz at earthlink.net, "jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>> Message-ID:> <148050783-1230595503-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-14157338- at bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>> > Content-Type: text/plain> > I have plenty of wool, all colors. It is just in its natural, uncleaned, state. > Thomas P. Carnes> 713.921.7790 (Telephone)> 713.921.7793 (Facsimile)> tcarnes at carnesely.com> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless> > -----Original Message-----> From: "ARTHUR PARTRIDGE" <aztreaz at earthlink.net>> > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:52:02 > To: jacob-list<jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>> Subject: [Jacob-list] I need some wool too> > > --Previous Message--> >I need some Jacob wool for a handspun yarn order - it can be a whole> fleece or bits from different fleeces if the wool characteristics are> >similar. I need mostly very dark wool and some gray. A freckled fleece> with dark spots would be fine. I have plenty of white here. >Fleece length> 3" or more. Medium fine, handspinning quality wool, about 2 or 3 lbs.> >We've got another month or so before shearing and I need this yarn soon. > > > >Thanks> >Linda> ================> Thanks for reminding me Linda. I need some wool also. Our> wool/fiber/spinning wheels/knitting group is having a fiber exchange later> in January and I don't want to deplete my own wool stash. I thought about> not doing this event, but it is a good time to promote Jacob sheep. I will> include photos with the wool. I will need about 3 lbs of scoured and> washed wool ready for spinning; although I can card the wool with my drum> carder, I can do that much on my own <grin>. Linda's order is more> important than mine and she asked first. I would like some dark chocolate> brown or black and some white. Perhaps some gray if the other is not> available.> > Thanks,> Cathy> Moscow, Idaho> > > _______________________________________________> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list> > .> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:38:04 -0500> From: Linda <patchworkfibers at alltel.net>> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] I need some wool too> To: <aztreaz at earthlink.net>, jacob-list> <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>> Message-ID: <200812306384.930294 at Linda-PC>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Thanks to everyone, I have found enough wool to get my yarn order together, with enough to extra to stock up a little. Thanks all!> > Linda> > > > ================> > Thanks for reminding me Linda. I need some wool also. Our> > wool/fiber/spinning wheels/knitting group is having a fiber> > exchange later> > in January and I don't want to deplete my own wool stash. I> > thought about> > not doing this event, but it is a good time to promote Jacob sheep.> > I will> > include photos with the wool. I will need about 3 lbs of scoured> > and> > washed wool ready for spinning; although I can card the wool with> > my drum> > carder, I can do that much on my own <grin>. Linda's order is more> > important than mine and she asked first. I would like some dark> > chocolate> > brown or black and some white. Perhaps some gray if the other is> > not> > available.> >> > Thanks,> > Cathy> > Moscow, Idaho> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks> > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list>   > http://www.patchworkfibers.com > Registered Jacob Sheep, Handspun Yarn > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20081230/7eff9935/attachment.htm>> > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:33:50 -0500> From: gotothewhip at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Fleeces> To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com> Message-ID: <8CB38B387A420CC-AFC-692 at WEBMAIL-DY16.sysops.aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > I have a considerable amount of a gray roving available and a few fleeces.> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20081230/6a3fd39b/attachment-0001.html>> > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Jacob-list mailing list> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list> > > End of Jacob-list Digest, Vol 52, Issue 10> ******************************************
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From lynettefrick at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 21:27:51 2009
From: lynettefrick at gmail.com (Lynette Frick)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:27:51 -0800
Subject: [Jacob-list] Shearing Time! / Grey Banding in Fleeces
Message-ID: <22872c750901171827u72b99ecal8955263a81dd5689@mail.gmail.com>

Yay! Its finally that time of year.... I only have five left to shear now. I
was pretty much jumping for joy when those fleeces where coming off. This is
the first year that I have used those new feeders for a whole season, and
they worked pretty darn well. There was still debris down the backs of some
of the older ewes and of coarse in the necks, but considering I had to chuck
nearly 25 fleeces last year due to irreversible amounts of VM contamination
I  was pretty impressed. It was nice to finally have workable fleeces...
Next step coating!

I do have a question for you all:

What might be the cause of grey bands in the fleeces? These bands are only
across what would be the "black" spots, and are verying shades of grey. They
look pleasant, but at this rate I'm not going to have any black wool! I'm
thinking it may be something nutritional, but am not sure. Most of the sheep
that I have noticed it on have a tendency towards greying anyway, but this
is extreme, and generally in the same location on each animal. Very
noticeable. I have never had bands like this in my previous clips. I'm
thinking that maybe I should have blood work done to check for mineral
deficiencies? The only difference from the previous years is that the sheep
haven't had regular access to mineral blocks that last 4mo. and that looks
about where the banding would begin?

I put a page up http://www.idealjacobsheep.com/greybands.html which has a
picture that shows pretty clearly how this looks on several of my sheep.

Thanks in advance, and happy shearing!


Lynette Frick
IDEAL FARM
Jacob Sheep
www.idealjacobsheep.com
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From patchworkfibers at alltel.net  Sat Jan 17 21:53:07 2009
From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:53:07 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] Shearing Time! / Grey Banding in Fleeces
In-Reply-To: <22872c750901171827u72b99ecal8955263a81dd5689@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200911721537.583035@Linda-PC>

Good timing - I have a rough draft of a post to send on the same subject. A Cheviot breeder was here last week (getting rabbits) and asked me if I had to use a higher copper content to keep my colors dark. He had colored Cheviots and said it was recommended by other breeders. I didn't get a chance to get any references from him, but would like to.  Copper is required for the production of melanin. In rabbits, you'll see a distinct graying from copper deficiency.  I have seen the banding in my sheep. A while back we had some problems with our premix and the sheep weren't getting the required minerals. I saw alot of banding in the fleeces (and way too many weak lambs). I'm interested in what others have to say. 

Linda


>
> I do have a question for you all:
>
> What might be the cause of grey bands in the fleeces? These bands
> are only across what would be the "black" spots, and are verying
> shades of grey. They look pleasant, but at this rate I'm not going
> to have any black wool! I'm thinking it may be something
> nutritional, but am not sure. Most of the sheep that I have noticed
> it on have a tendency towards greying anyway, but this is extreme,
> and generally in the same location on each animal. Very noticeable. 
> I have never had bands like this in my previous clips. I'm thinking
> that maybe I should have blood work done to check for mineral
> deficiencies? The only difference from the previous years is that
> the sheep haven't had regular access to mineral blocks that last
> 4mo. and that looks about where the banding would begin?
>
> I put a page up http://www.idealjacobsheep.com/greybands.html which
> has a picture that shows pretty clearly how this looks on several
> of my sheep.
>
> Thanks in advance, and happy shearing!
>
>
> Lynette Frick
> IDEAL FARM
> Jacob Sheep
> www.idealjacobsheep.com
? 
http://www.patchworkfibers.com 
Registered Jacob Sheep, Handspun Yarn  
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From westergladstone at btinternet.com  Sun Jan 18 06:15:00 2009
From: westergladstone at btinternet.com (G & J Johnston)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:15:00 -0000
Subject: [Jacob-list] Shearing Time! / Grey Banding in Fleeces
References: <22872c750901171827u72b99ecal8955263a81dd5689@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B018F82E3DB04F31AC660C56123BE509@Newbox>

We live in an area of Scotland (UK) where there is a known problem with copper uptake by ruminants.  Note I don't say copper deficiency.  The problem is that other minerals such as iron and molybdenum in the soil interfere with the uptake of copper from the rumen in both sheep and cattle.  If you just increase the provision of copper in the diet then you risk copper poisoning.  A product available here in the UK is the COSECURE copper bolus, which provides copper directly in the rumen, thus overcoming the effect of iron and molybdenum.  A bolus is put into the rumen once a year and, as long as they don't spit it back out, the problem is solved.  Blood testing does not give an adequate picture of the situation, which can really only be diagnosed on necropsy.
One thing which makes the situation worse is if your pastures have many molehills, which means that the sheep will be eating soil (dirt) with their grass.  Also, do not feed grain directly on the ground - use a feeder.
The banding is typical of this condition.  It is not visible in white wool but the effect is still there - weakening of the fibres.  This lack of copper available to the animal can also cause swayback in new lambs.
The research which lead to the development of cosecure was done here in the UK with Hebridean sheep, which are black and tend to suffer from the problem of grey banding in their wool.  The effect of the COSECURE bolus is instant, with lovely black wool coming through immediately.
Juliet
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From hannah at knoxfarms.com  Sun Jan 18 08:03:20 2009
From: hannah at knoxfarms.com (Hannah)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:03:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Jacob-list] Shearing
Message-ID: <63458.64.40.83.53.1232283800.squirrel@kit.rc4systems.net>

Hey gang!

Still being a newbie to sheepies I have a few questions about shearing and
fleeces.

~I talked to a shearer about coming in one week.  However, on a good day
we are around 10oF in the morining and 30oF in the afternoon.  Isn't that
too cold?

~What is a good price to ask for lamb's fleeces?  They aren't immaculate,
but there actually isn't that much VM.  (could be because I pick it off of
'em....) About 3 1/2 inch staple, varying crimp.

Thanks!


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From griffin45 at live.com  Sun Jan 18 20:57:20 2009
From: griffin45 at live.com (Chris and Tina Griffin)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:57:20 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
Message-ID: <BLU139-DS52D58C1CC6EA32B49519FD9D30@phx.gbl>

Hi all,
I am pretty excited right now.  I just made a deal to buy 3 More Jacobs, 2 more ewes and another ram.  I pick them up in the beginning of Feb.  I get to shear 5 sheep this year instead of just 2!  I feel like the guy Tom Sawyer convinced to whitewash the fence.  These Jacobs have an ancestral line that I can trace though... Woooo Hoooo I guess I gotta join the JSBA now!
Have a great day!
Chris
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From aztreaz at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 18 22:49:40 2009
From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:49:40 -0800
Subject: [Jacob-list] Shearing Time! / Grey Banding in Fleeces
Message-ID: <410-22009111934940890@earthlink.net>

>What might be the cause of grey bands in the fleeces? These bands are only
>across what would be the "black" spots, and are verying shades of grey.
They
>look pleasant, but at this rate I'm not going to have any black wool! I'm
>thinking it may be something nutritional, but am not sure
==========
The question was answered by others on this list, but I will tell my tale. 
I remember on sheep-list once, someone noticed distinct gray banding on a
fleece that was shown on an eBay auction.  The wide banding was horizontal
on the fleece, from one side to the other.  Maybe there was more than one
band, I don't remember.  Looked really strange.  All I can remember is that
it is due to a mineral problem, better explained by others on this list.  I
didn't follow up and find out what that banded fleece sold for on eBay.

Cathy
Moscow, Idaho



From aztreaz at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 19 00:17:43 2009
From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:17:43 -0800
Subject: [Jacob-list] Shearing Time! / Grey Banding in Fleeces
Message-ID: <410-22009111951743359@earthlink.net>

>The problem is that other minerals such as iron and molybdenum in the soil
interfere with the uptake of copper from the rumen in both sheep >and
cattle.
========
Juliet's comments jogged my memory.  The banded fleece that was on eBay
auctions came from a flock in Colorado or other Rocky Mountain state where
there is a lot of mining activity.  This supports what Juliet wrote above.

Cathy
Moscow, Idaho



From nlgrose at yadtel.net  Mon Jan 19 06:15:17 2009
From: nlgrose at yadtel.net (Neal and Louise Grose)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:15:17 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] Shearing Time! / Grey Banding in Fleeces
References: <410-22009111951743359@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <15A2988ACCBD4FEFBD8E1D774EB119E3@HAL2>

We also live in and area where there can be severe problems from mineral 
interference. One local non-Jacob breeder had copper anemia that the vet 
students suggested had come from the sheep licking her dry zinc-sulfate 
footbath (Which I had suggested that she use to treat her foot rot problem. 
Successfully, I might add.) It is more likely that the problem came from 
forages grown on her high iron and aluminum soils, which she never limed. 
High acid soils can release minerals into the forage in quantities that can 
lead to toxicity.

I would check with a local dairy nutritionist. Beef cattle can tolerate a 
wide range of mineral problems. Dairy farmers have to be more attuned to 
mineral balance in feeds and are more likely to be aware of unusual 
conditions.

Neal Grose
N.C. dairy farmer


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ARTHUR PARTRIDGE" <aztreaz at earthlink.net>
To: "jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Cc: <lynettefrick at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Shearing Time! / Grey Banding in Fleeces


> >The problem is that other minerals such as iron and molybdenum in the 
> >soil
> interfere with the uptake of copper from the rumen in both sheep >and
> cattle.
> ========
> Juliet's comments jogged my memory.  The banded fleece that was on eBay
> auctions came from a flock in Colorado or other Rocky Mountain state where
> there is a lot of mining activity.  This supports what Juliet wrote above.
>
> Cathy
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks
> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list
> 


From patchworkfibers at alltel.net  Mon Jan 19 08:56:40 2009
From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:56:40 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] Shearing Time! / Grey Banding in Fleeces
In-Reply-To: <B018F82E3DB04F31AC660C56123BE509@Newbox>
Message-ID: <200911985640.293535@Linda-PC>

This is an interesting topic. Most of the information online does relate to Juliet's area of the world.  I wasn't able to find much about the states. 
What are the possibilities of getting too much copper with the boluses? 
I don't know about molybdenum here, but our soils are high in iron. I don't see the banding every year and only in a few animals. Would some animals require more copper than others? Would a copper problem account for overall early graying?

Linda

> We live in an area of Scotland (UK) where there is a known problem
> with copper uptake by ruminants.  Note I don't say copper
> deficiency.  The problem is that other minerals such as iron and
> molybdenum in the soil interfere with the uptake of copper from the
> rumen in both sheep and cattle.  
? 
http://www.patchworkfibers.com 
Registered Jacob Sheep, Handspun Yarn  
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From kenleighacres at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 12:39:52 2009
From: kenleighacres at yahoo.com (Shannon Phifer)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:39:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
References: <mailman.5.1232385318.79537.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
Message-ID: <902727.3022.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Congratulations on?your new sheep Chris!? It is exciting to add new sheep - have fun.

Shannon Phifer
Kenleigh Acres Farm
www.kenleigh-acres.com
That'll Do Photography
www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com

From melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca  Mon Jan 19 13:10:40 2009
From: melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca (Melanie Boxall)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:10:40 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
In-Reply-To: <902727.3022.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5.1232385318.79537.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
	<902727.3022.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP39784EF1EDC663FA15D13DECD30@phx.gbl>

I rarely have anything to post here as my objective is somewhat different, 
but on that note I thought I'd offer a heads up. Many of will already know 
this, but some may not, so I thought it was worth mentioning.

We took 7 sheep to the butcher last year, mostly yearlings, but one rather 
bad-tempered old ram too. I'd had enough of his attitude.

I told the butcher CATEGORICALLY to keep the ram separate and label him as 
mutton. He didn't.

I was cross because I intended to sell some of the lamb, but didn't want to 
sully my reputation with the mutton getting mixed in. So we didn't sell any.

We have eaten meat from every corner of that freezer, it has been rummaged 
through, tipped out, shuffled...there is no way our picks have always been 
lamb by chance. But I have not noticed any muttony flavour. Certainly not a 
rammy flavour.

I can only conclude it all tastes the same. I would never have believed an 
old ram could taste like lamb, but there it is.

What an amazing breed they are.


Melanie
"Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."


From carlfosbrink at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 14:09:54 2009
From: carlfosbrink at yahoo.com (CARL FOSBRINK)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:09:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
References: <mailman.5.1232385318.79537.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
	<902727.3022.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP39784EF1EDC663FA15D13DECD30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <851741.44598.qm@web55504.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

We have had some old rams butchered also and they?taste great. One was a 5 yr.?old that got mean.?If you don't want to take?a chance have them?made into lamb-burger. It can be used for anything you would use hamburger for. The?cuts from the old one should be larger than the young ones, especially the leg of lambs, shoulder roasts etc. so you should be able to tell by that which one was the old one.
?
Carl and Judy Fosbrink
www.4hornfarm.com




________________________________
From: Melanie Boxall <melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca>
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs

I rarely have anything to post here as my objective is somewhat different, but on that note I thought I'd offer a heads up. Many of will already know this, but some may not, so I thought it was worth mentioning.

We took 7 sheep to the butcher last year, mostly yearlings, but one rather bad-tempered old ram too. I'd had enough of his attitude.

I told the butcher CATEGORICALLY to keep the ram separate and label him as mutton. He didn't.

I was cross because I intended to sell some of the lamb, but didn't want to sully my reputation with the mutton getting mixed in. So we didn't sell any.

We have eaten meat from every corner of that freezer, it has been rummaged through, tipped out, shuffled...there is no way our picks have always been lamb by chance. But I have not noticed any muttony flavour. Certainly not a rammy flavour.

I can only conclude it all tastes the same. I would never have believed an old ram could taste like lamb, but there it is.

What an amazing breed they are.


Melanie
"Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."

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From melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca  Mon Jan 19 14:41:49 2009
From: melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca (Melanie Boxall)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:41:49 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
In-Reply-To: <851741.44598.qm@web55504.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5.1232385318.79537.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
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I never even thought to compare, but that's a good point. We had a LOT of sausage. It truly is the world's finest sausage.


Melanie
"Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: CARL FOSBRINK 
  To: Melanie Boxall ; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs


  We have had some old rams butchered also and they taste great. One was a 5 yr. old that got mean. If you don't want to take a chance have them made into lamb-burger. It can be used for anything you would use hamburger for. The cuts from the old one should be larger than the young ones, especially the leg of lambs, shoulder roasts etc. so you should be able to tell by that which one was the old one.
   
  Carl and Judy Fosbrink
  www.4hornfarm.com





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  From: Melanie Boxall <melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca>
  To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:10:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs

  I rarely have anything to post here as my objective is somewhat different, but on that note I thought I'd offer a heads up. Many of will already know this, but some may not, so I thought it was worth mentioning.

  We took 7 sheep to the butcher last year, mostly yearlings, but one rather bad-tempered old ram too. I'd had enough of his attitude.

  I told the butcher CATEGORICALLY to keep the ram separate and label him as mutton. He didn't.

  I was cross because I intended to sell some of the lamb, but didn't want to sully my reputation with the mutton getting mixed in. So we didn't sell any.

  We have eaten meat from every corner of that freezer, it has been rummaged through, tipped out, shuffled...there is no way our picks have always been lamb by chance. But I have not noticed any muttony flavour. Certainly not a rammy flavour.

  I can only conclude it all tastes the same. I would never have believed an old ram could taste like lamb, but there it is.

  What an amazing breed they are.


  Melanie
  "Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."

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From messen at socket.net  Mon Jan 19 16:03:15 2009
From: messen at socket.net (Mark Essen)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:03:15 -0600
Subject: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
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What type of sausage did you have made?  Breakfast patties, links, 
bratwurst?  Did you mix it with anything or just pure lamb?  I made some 
smoked sausage a few months ago and mixed beef, pork, venison, and 
lamb.  Basically, I was cleaning up and threw every type of meat 
together and ground it up with bratwurst type seasoning.  Ended up with 
almost one hundred pounds.  I now wish I had made more.
Melanie Boxall wrote:
> I never even thought to compare, but that's a good point. We had a LOT 
> of sausage. It truly is the world's finest sausage.
>  
>  
> Melanie
> "Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."



From melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca  Mon Jan 19 16:19:36 2009
From: melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca (Melanie Boxall)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:19:36 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
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Normal sausage, just flavoured with garlic, nothing else. Not smoked or 
anything. Nice and lean, very coarse texture. Perfect. Like lamburger in a 
tube really. It's done as short coils. My sons can't get enough of it. Gets 
them up in the morning:)


Melanie
"Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Essen" <messen at socket.net>
To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs


> What type of sausage did you have made?  Breakfast patties, links, 
> bratwurst?  Did you mix it with anything or just pure lamb?  I made some 
> smoked sausage a few months ago and mixed beef, pork, venison, and lamb. 
> Basically, I was cleaning up and threw every type of meat together and 
> ground it up with bratwurst type seasoning.  Ended up with almost one 
> hundred pounds.  I now wish I had made more.
> Melanie Boxall wrote:
>> I never even thought to compare, but that's a good point. We had a LOT of 
>> sausage. It truly is the world's finest sausage.
>>  Melanie
>> "Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list
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From messen at socket.net  Mon Jan 19 16:35:59 2009
From: messen at socket.net (Mark Essen)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:35:59 -0600
Subject: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
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I am not sure what normal is, do you mean a breakfast type?
Melanie Boxall wrote:
> Normal sausage, just flavoured with garlic, nothing else. Not smoked 
> or anything. Nice and lean, very coarse texture. Perfect. Like 
> lamburger in a tube really. It's done as short coils. My sons can't 
> get enough of it. Gets them up in the morning:)



From melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca  Tue Jan 20 07:02:59 2009
From: melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca (Melanie Boxall)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:02:59 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
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That's the problem with cross-cultural:) I'm English, so to me this is a 
normal sausage. Have you ever had an English sausage? Well, they vary of 
course, but this is a similar thing. I can only describe it as coarsely 
ground (i.e. not the texture of German sausage, which is very fine-textured, 
and actually they're even more coarse than an Italian sausage), quite lean 
(i.e. not like those disgusting greasy patty things they sell in fast food 
places), and then made into a tube, the difference being it's packaged as a 
short coil, rather than short sausauges like you would buy in a shop.

Of course an English sausage would be flavoured with sage and onion, but I 
find this garlic works very well.


Melanie
"Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Essen" <messen at socket.net>
To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs


>I am not sure what normal is, do you mean a breakfast type?
> Melanie Boxall wrote:
>> Normal sausage, just flavoured with garlic, nothing else. Not smoked or 
>> anything. Nice and lean, very coarse texture. Perfect. Like lamburger in 
>> a tube really. It's done as short coils. My sons can't get enough of it. 
>> Gets them up in the morning:)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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From fourhornfarm at verizon.net  Tue Jan 20 11:03:02 2009
From: fourhornfarm at verizon.net (fourhornfarm)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:03:02 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
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Melanie,

    Thanks for your lamb-sausage recipe. We have had lamb-sausage made at 
the local locker and it is a little expensive to get made, but very tasty. 
They cook it and put it in rolls about 3" in diameter and 12" long. Great to 
take on trips to pick up Jacob sheep.

Carl


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melanie Boxall" <melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca>
To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs


> That's the problem with cross-cultural:) I'm English, so to me this is a 
> normal sausage. Have you ever had an English sausage? Well, they vary of 
> course, but this is a similar thing. I can only describe it as coarsely 
> ground (i.e. not the texture of German sausage, which is very 
> fine-textured, and actually they're even more coarse than an Italian 
> sausage), quite lean (i.e. not like those disgusting greasy patty things 
> they sell in fast food places), and then made into a tube, the difference 
> being it's packaged as a short coil, rather than short sausauges like you 
> would buy in a shop.
>
> Of course an English sausage would be flavoured with sage and onion, but I 
> find this garlic works very well.
>
>
> Melanie
> "Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Essen" <messen at socket.net>
> To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
>
>
>>I am not sure what normal is, do you mean a breakfast type?
>> Melanie Boxall wrote:
>>> Normal sausage, just flavoured with garlic, nothing else. Not smoked or 
>>> anything. Nice and lean, very coarse texture. Perfect. Like lamburger in 
>>> a tube really. It's done as short coils. My sons can't get enough of it. 
>>> Gets them up in the morning:)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks
>> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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From aztreaz at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 20 13:20:03 2009
From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:20:03 -0800
Subject: [Jacob-list] Mutton sausage
Message-ID: <410-22009122018203812@earthlink.net>

We just spent $242 at the butchers for sausage.  I took two very old
wethers in, we had to downsize.  I had half made into bulk chorizo sausage
and the rest made into German links and chorizo links.  Why so much
chorizo?  I want to try some Basque recipes; even though a lot of the
recipes are made with pork chorizo.  The Basque sheepherders worked in the
West many years ago.  The largest population is here in Idaho.  Here's a
good cookbook, cheap and easy to read.  Take a look at how to make "Lamb
Fries" (also known as Rocky Mountain Oysters).

BASQUE Cooking and Lore by Darcy Williamson, 2002. Caxton Press, Caldwell,
Idaho.  Available at www.amazon.com.

Cathy Partridge
Moscow, Idaho



From melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca  Tue Jan 20 19:00:47 2009
From: melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca (Melanie Boxall)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:00:47 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
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I would rather eat lamb than any other meat, so I'll eat it any way it 
comes. But I find sausage very versatile. 5 out of 6 of my kids love it too, 
and it's my grandson's favourite, but my younger daughter says it tastes 
like the barn smells. I can't see that myself, especially as there are cows 
in there right now, LOL. She eats beef!


Melanie
"Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "fourhornfarm" <fourhornfarm at verizon.net>
To: "Melanie Boxall" <melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca>; 
<jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs


> Melanie,
>
>    Thanks for your lamb-sausage recipe. We have had lamb-sausage made at 
> the local locker and it is a little expensive to get made, but very tasty. 
> They cook it and put it in rolls about 3" in diameter and 12" long. Great 
> to take on trips to pick up Jacob sheep.
>
> Carl
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Melanie Boxall" <melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca>
> To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
>
>
>> That's the problem with cross-cultural:) I'm English, so to me this is a 
>> normal sausage. Have you ever had an English sausage? Well, they vary of 
>> course, but this is a similar thing. I can only describe it as coarsely 
>> ground (i.e. not the texture of German sausage, which is very 
>> fine-textured, and actually they're even more coarse than an Italian 
>> sausage), quite lean (i.e. not like those disgusting greasy patty things 
>> they sell in fast food places), and then made into a tube, the difference 
>> being it's packaged as a short coil, rather than short sausauges like you 
>> would buy in a shop.
>>
>> Of course an English sausage would be flavoured with sage and onion, but 
>> I find this garlic works very well.
>>
>>
>> Melanie
>> "Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark Essen" <messen at socket.net>
>> To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 3 new Jacobs
>>
>>
>>>I am not sure what normal is, do you mean a breakfast type?
>>> Melanie Boxall wrote:
>>>> Normal sausage, just flavoured with garlic, nothing else. Not smoked or 
>>>> anything. Nice and lean, very coarse texture. Perfect. Like lamburger 
>>>> in a tube really. It's done as short coils. My sons can't get enough of 
>>>> it. Gets them up in the morning:)
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks
>>> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
>>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks
>> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list
>>
>
> 


From melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca  Tue Jan 20 19:02:51 2009
From: melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca (Melanie Boxall)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] Mutton sausage
In-Reply-To: <410-22009122018203812@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22009122018203812@earthlink.net>
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I've never tasted chorizo, although I want to. It's listed as a substitute 
for the seafood in paella, which is something I cook a lot, although I use 
scallops and calamari. Would be interesting to try it with chorizo. But I 
don't think my butcher would know where to begin. Do you have a recipe for 
bulk sausage?


Melanie
"Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ARTHUR PARTRIDGE" <aztreaz at earthlink.net>
To: "jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:20 PM
Subject: [Jacob-list] Mutton sausage


> We just spent $242 at the butchers for sausage.  I took two very old
> wethers in, we had to downsize.  I had half made into bulk chorizo sausage
> and the rest made into German links and chorizo links.  Why so much
> chorizo?  I want to try some Basque recipes; even though a lot of the
> recipes are made with pork chorizo.  The Basque sheepherders worked in the
> West many years ago.  The largest population is here in Idaho.  Here's a
> good cookbook, cheap and easy to read.  Take a look at how to make "Lamb
> Fries" (also known as Rocky Mountain Oysters).
>
> BASQUE Cooking and Lore by Darcy Williamson, 2002. Caxton Press, Caldwell,
> Idaho.  Available at www.amazon.com.
>
> Cathy Partridge
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks
> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list
> 


From patchworkfibers at alltel.net  Tue Jan 20 19:07:29 2009
From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:07:29 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] Mutton sausage
In-Reply-To: <410-22009122018203812@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200912019729.605826@Linda-PC>

I've made chorizo at home. It's one of my favorites.  I sometimes make a pound of sausage at a time. Start with thawed ground lamb/old ram/old ewe, mix in the spices, let sit over night (or two) in the refrigerator and it's ready. I like different kinds of sausages for different things and don't really want to make 30 lbs of one kind. 

Linda




> We just spent $242 at the butchers for sausage.  I took two very old
> wethers in, we had to downsize.  I had half made into bulk chorizo
> sausage
> and the rest made into German links and chorizo links.  Why so much
> chorizo?  I want to try some Basque recipes; even though a lot of
> the
> recipes are made with pork chorizo.  The Basque sheepherders worked
> in the
> West many years ago.  The largest population is here in Idaho.
> Here's a
> good cookbook, cheap and easy to read.  Take a look at how to make
> "Lamb
> Fries" (also known as Rocky Mountain Oysters).
>
> BASQUE Cooking and Lore by Darcy Williamson, 2002. Caxton Press,
> Caldwell,
> Idaho.  Available at www.amazon.com.
>
> Cathy Partridge
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks
> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list   
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From melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca  Tue Jan 20 19:27:16 2009
From: melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca (Melanie Boxall)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:27:16 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] Mutton sausage
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Maybe I should give that a try, and not be so lazy:)


Melanie
"Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Linda 
  To: aztreaz at earthlink.net ; jacob-list 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Mutton sausage


  I've made chorizo at home. It's one of my favorites.  I sometimes make a pound of sausage at a time. Start with thawed ground lamb/old ram/old ewe, mix in the spices, let sit over night (or two) in the refrigerator and it's ready. I like different kinds of sausages for different things and don't really want to make 30 lbs of one kind. 

  Linda






  > We just spent $242 at the butchers for sausage.  I took two very old
  > wethers in, we had to downsize.  I had half made into bulk chorizo
  > sausage
  > and the rest made into German links and chorizo links.  Why so much
  > chorizo?  I want to try some Basque recipes; even though a lot of
  > the
  > recipes are made with pork chorizo.  The Basque sheepherders worked
  > in the
  > West many years ago.  The largest population is here in Idaho.
  > Here's a
  > good cookbook, cheap and easy to read.  Take a look at how to make
  > "Lamb
  > Fries" (also known as Rocky Mountain Oysters).
  >
  > BASQUE Cooking and Lore by Darcy Williamson, 2002. Caxton Press,
  > Caldwell,
  > Idaho.  Available at www.amazon.com.
  >
  > Cathy Partridge
  > Moscow, Idaho
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks
  > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
  > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list   
  http://www.patchworkfibers.com
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From patchworkfibers at alltel.net  Wed Jan 21 18:06:22 2009
From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:06:22 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] Mutton sausage
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Message-ID: <200912118622.930453@Linda-PC>

The two books that I like the best for sausage recipes are "Better Than Store Bought" by Helen Witty and Elizabeth Schneider Colchie and a Garden Way Book, "Home Sausage Making" by Charles Reavis. Both are geared towards making small quantities at a time, which is the way that works best for me. The first book has a wide range of recipes beyond sausage.

Linda

> Maybe I should give that a try, and not be so lazy:)
>
>
> Melanie
> "Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."

? 
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From BISCHOW at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 03:15:13 2009
From: BISCHOW at aol.com (BISCHOW at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:15:13 EST
Subject: [Jacob-list] Sausage
Message-ID: <bd1.49784bc8.36a98511@aol.com>

We normally have all our sheep processed as sausage.  Last time I  decided to 
try summer sausage.  It was to die for!
Will definitely do more of that this year.
 
Louise...  



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From lynettefrick at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 14:04:24 2009
From: lynettefrick at gmail.com (Lynette Frick)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:04:24 -0800
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pricing Rams Horns
Message-ID: <22872c750901261104g420f59cbo3bd52ed4ae8a0e97@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have had several inquiries about rams' horns. What is a ballpark figure
that you all are selling yours for? I read in Sheep! that one Icelandic
sheep farm sells theirs for $75 ea.! I have no idea what to ask for mine.

Thanks in advance!


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From Timkoenig5 at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 14:16:35 2009
From: Timkoenig5 at aol.com (Timkoenig5 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:16:35 EST
Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob horns
Message-ID: <bc9.44f702b8.36af6613@aol.com>

That sounds like a good price to me. I process and  sell my ram skulls on a 
regular basis. A very nicely shaped 4 horn skull brings  in the $250- $300 
range, though They often sit on the shelf for several years at  that price.
Tim Koenig
Applegarth farm
Elk, Wa
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From btucker at nevcoservices.com  Mon Jan 26 14:38:17 2009
From: btucker at nevcoservices.com (Brian Tucker)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:38:17 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pricing Rams Horns
In-Reply-To: <22872c750901261104g420f59cbo3bd52ed4ae8a0e97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22872c750901261104g420f59cbo3bd52ed4ae8a0e97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101c97fed$ab87a4e0$0296eea0$@com>

To have the skulls processed by a taxidermist you will spend $75.00 to
$100.00.  You should at least try to double your money.

 

Brian Tucker

Moosemtnranch.com

 

From: jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com
[mailto:jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com] On Behalf Of Lynette Frick
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:04 PM
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pricing Rams Horns

 

Hi all, 

 

I have had several inquiries about rams' horns. What is a ballpark figure
that you all are selling yours for? I read in Sheep! that one Icelandic
sheep farm sells theirs for $75 ea.! I have no idea what to ask for mine.

 

Thanks in advance!



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From Timkoenig5 at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 14:50:02 2009
From: Timkoenig5 at aol.com (Timkoenig5 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:50:02 EST
Subject: [Jacob-list] re; Jacob horns
Message-ID: <cd6.446da797.36af6dea@aol.com>

I agree. Most taxidermists around here charge much more than $100. I  process 
all my skulls myself and cut out another middle man.
Tim Koenig
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From gotothewhip at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 15:15:29 2009
From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] OK.. I am understanding the Showring frustration
Message-ID: <8CB4E09F7F4CA5A-C0-45D@WEBMAIL-DZ13.sysops.aol.com>

I get what you all have been saying!? We did not do really well last year at the National Western, but showing at the Wool/Handspinning shows has more than made up for it.....

This weekend, we took 13 head to the National Western, and it wasnt pretty.? My best sheep were buried.... I did manage to win one class..... With a ram that is being castrated next week (we left him a ram longer than the others as he will be a fleece wether, and we wanted a cool set of horns)..... He went along as he was in the same pen as the other rams that went, and is a pet, so he likes the crowds.... He is probably 90% black, and honestly, we refer to him as "the midget" as he is half the size of the other rams his age.....( he can be see on my website as a lamb...even then we knew he was a fleece wether prospect) My nicest sheep were all scattered among the bottom of each class.

So with that said... you all can feel free to tell me "I told you so" LOL.

If nothing else, we did get to educate quite a few folks about the breed!

Jennifer Tucker
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From wedohoney at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 26 18:52:18 2009
From: wedohoney at sbcglobal.net (JACI SIEHL)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:52:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pricing Rams Horns
In-Reply-To: <22872c750901261104g420f59cbo3bd52ed4ae8a0e97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <848831.7638.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've never sold horns.? So far I've only had to butcher one animal and he is hanging on the wall (skull & fleece).? I am gathering cutoff and broken horns to possibly make buttons, but that is it for me.


?
Jack and Jaci

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lynette Frick <lynettefrick at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Lynette Frick <lynettefrick at gmail.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pricing Rams Horns
To: "jacob-list at jacobsheep.com" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 11:04 AM



Hi all, 
?
I have had several inquiries about rams' horns. What is a ballpark figure that you all are selling yours for? I read in Sheep! that one Icelandic sheep?farm sells theirs for $75 ea.! I have no idea what to ask for mine.
?
Thanks in advance!


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IDEAL FARM
Jacob Sheep
www.idealjacobsheep.com/ 
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From wedohoney at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 26 18:56:13 2009
From: wedohoney at sbcglobal.net (JACI SIEHL)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:56:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Jacob-list] re; Jacob horns
In-Reply-To: <cd6.446da797.36af6dea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <444757.56169.qm@web80606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The skull I had processed was only about $60 by the Skull Doctor in Cave Junction, Oregon.? I shipped it to him and picked up on my way to family.? He quoted 3- 6 months and it took almost a year.? His process is a little different than some as he does not bleach....however this was done in 2005 and if I get close to it I can still smell yuk!


?
Jack and Jaci

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, Timkoenig5 at aol.com <Timkoenig5 at aol.com> wrote:

From: Timkoenig5 at aol.com <Timkoenig5 at aol.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] re; Jacob horns
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 11:50 AM



I agree. Most taxidermists around here charge much more than $100. I process all my skulls myself and cut out another middle man.
Tim Koenig


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From wedohoney at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 26 19:03:50 2009
From: wedohoney at sbcglobal.net (JACI SIEHL)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:03:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Jacob-list] OK.. I am understanding the Showring frustration
In-Reply-To: <8CB4E09F7F4CA5A-C0-45D@WEBMAIL-DZ13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <796964.85695.qm@web80605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

No mattter what, you still need to keep trying.? Also, when you sell sheep try to encourage the buyer to enter their sheep in shows.? One time I even offered to pay the entry fee and feed and water their animals at the fair - all they had to do was be there to show.? Doing that brings more Jacob sheep to the show and possibly enough for a class of their own - or at least getting the judges more familiar with the breed.
?
It took me several years but we did finally get a colored wool show at our fair - unfortunately I am against Merino and Wensleydales so you know where my sheep rank.? But it is a very popular show and worth the worth the effort.
?
Every show I attend I am a winner - even without bringing home a ribbon.? The sheep are so well received by the public and awareness to natural fibers, primitive breeds, and something besides lamburger on the hoof is worth it.


?
Jack and Jaci

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, gotothewhip at aol.com <gotothewhip at aol.com> wrote:

From: gotothewhip at aol.com <gotothewhip at aol.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] OK.. I am understanding the Showring frustration
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:15 PM


I get what you all have been saying!? We did not do really well last year at the National Western, but showing at the Wool/Handspinning shows has more than made up for it.....

This weekend, we took 13 head to the National Western, and it wasnt pretty.? My best sheep were buried.... I did manage to win one class..... With a ram that is being castrated next week (we left him a ram longer than the others as he will be a fleece wether, and we wanted a cool set of horns)..... He went along as he was in the same pen as the other rams that went, and is a pet, so he likes the crowds.... He is probably 90% black, and honestly, we refer to him as "the midget" as he is half the size of the other rams his age.....( he can be see on my website as a lamb...even then we knew he was a fleece wether prospect) My nicest sheep were all scattered among the bottom of each class.

So with that said... you all can feel free to tell me "I told you so" LOL.

If nothing else, we did get to educate quite a few folks about the breed!

Jennifer Tucker
www.MooseMtnRanch.com



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From patchworkfibers at alltel.net  Mon Jan 26 19:13:44 2009
From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:13:44 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] OK.. I am understanding the Showring frustration
In-Reply-To: <8CB4E09F7F4CA5A-C0-45D@WEBMAIL-DZ13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <2009126191344.909879@Linda-PC>

Were you showing in Jacob classes? or open classes? 

> I get what you all have been saying!  We did not do really well
> last year at the National Western, but showing at the
> Wool/Handspinning shows has more than made up for it.....
>
> This weekend, we took 13 head to the National Western, and it wasnt
> pretty.  My best sheep were buried.... I did manage to win one
> class..... With a ram that is being castrated next week (we left
> him a ram longer than the others as he will be a fleece wether, and
> we wanted a cool set of horns)..... He went along as he was in the
> same pen as the other rams that went, and is a pet, so he likes the
> crowds.... He is probably 90% black, and honestly, we refer to him
> as "the midget" as he is half the size of the other rams his
> age.....( he can be see on my website as a lamb...even then we knew
> he was a fleece wether prospect) My nicest sheep were all scattered
> among the bottom of each class.
>
> So with that said... you all can feel free to tell me "I told you
> so" LOL.
>
> If nothing else, we did get to educate quite a few folks about the
> breed!
>
> Jennifer Tucker
> www.MooseMtnRanch.com
> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above.  See yours in just 2 easy
> steps!
? 
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From melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca  Mon Jan 26 19:15:12 2009
From: melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca (Melanie Boxall)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:15:12 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] re; Jacob horns
In-Reply-To: <444757.56169.qm@web80606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <444757.56169.qm@web80606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP33712B1C057FDBF4F33ADEECCB0@phx.gbl>

Oh my, we put them in the back field, which we don't use, and the vultures do the processing, LOL. You could drink from the horns after, they're spotless.


Melanie
"Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stranger."

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JACI SIEHL 
  To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com ; Timkoenig5 at aol.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] re; Jacob horns


        The skull I had processed was only about $60 by the Skull Doctor in Cave Junction, Oregon.  I shipped it to him and picked up on my way to family.  He quoted 3- 6 months and it took almost a year.  His process is a little different than some as he does not bleach....however this was done in 2005 and if I get close to it I can still smell yuk!



        Jack and Jaci


        --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Timkoenig5 at aol.com <Timkoenig5 at aol.com> wrote:

          From: Timkoenig5 at aol.com <Timkoenig5 at aol.com>
          Subject: [Jacob-list] re; Jacob horns
          To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
          Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 11:50 AM


          I agree. Most taxidermists around here charge much more than $100. I process all my skulls myself and cut out another middle man.
          Tim Koenig


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From gotothewhip at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 20:55:17 2009
From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:55:17 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] OK.. I am understanding the Showring frustration
In-Reply-To: <2009126191344.909879@Linda-PC>
Message-ID: <8CB4E396FD2860B-4A0-1383@FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com>


I was showing in the "NAtural Colored Handspinning"

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at alltel.net>
To: gotothewhip at aol.com; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] OK.. I am understanding the Showring frustration



Were you showing in Jacob classes? or open classes? 



> I get what you all have been saying!? We did not do really well

> last year at the National Western, but showing at the

> Wool/Handspinning shows has more than made up for it.....

>

> This weekend, we took 13 head to the National Western, and it wasnt

> pretty.? My best sheep were buried.... I did manage to win one

> class..... With a ram that is being castrated next week (we left

> him a ram longer than the others as he will be a fleece wether, and

> we wanted a cool set of horns)..... He went along as he was in the

> same pen as the other rams that went, and is a pet, so he likes the

> crowds.... He is probably 90% black, and honestly, we refer to him

> as "the midget" as he is half the size of the other rams his

> age.....( he can be see on my website as a lamb...even then we knew

> he was a fleece wether prospect) My nicest sheep were all scattered

> among the bottom of each class.

>

> So with that said... you all can feel free to tell me "I told you

> so" LOL.

>

> If nothing else, we did get to educate quite a few folks about the

> breed!

>

> Jennifer Tucker

> www.MooseMtnRanch.com

> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. ?See yours in just 2 easy

> steps!
??
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From patchworkfibers at alltel.net  Mon Jan 26 21:01:56 2009
From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:01:56 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] OK.. I am understanding the Showring frustration
In-Reply-To: <8CB4E396FD2860B-4A0-1383@FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <200912621156.410689@Linda-PC>

Do they put much emphasis on breed characteristics? My show knowledge is very slim. I was curious as to what standard they judge to. 

> I was showing in the "NAtural Colored Handspinning"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda <patchworkfibers at alltel.net>
> To: gotothewhip at aol.com; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
> Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 5:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] OK.. I am understanding the Showring
> frustration
>
> Were you showing in Jacob classes? or open classes?
>
>
>> I get what you all have been saying!  We did not do really well
>> last year at the National Western, but showing at the
>> Wool/Handspinning shows has more than made up for it.....
>>
>> This weekend, we took 13 head to the National Western, and it
>> wasnt
>> pretty.  My best sheep were buried.... I did manage to win one
>> class..... With a ram that is being castrated next week (we left
>> him a ram longer than the others as he will be a fleece wether,
>> and
>> we wanted a cool set of horns)..... He went along as he was in the
>> same pen as the other rams that went, and is a pet, so he likes
>> the
>> crowds.... He is probably 90% black, and honestly, we refer to him
>> as "the midget" as he is half the size of the other rams his
>> age.....( he can be see on my website as a lamb...even then we
>> knew
>> he was a fleece wether prospect) My nicest sheep were all
>> scattered
>> among the bottom of each class.
>>
>> So with that said... you all can feel free to tell me "I told you
>> so" LOL.
>>
>> If nothing else, we did get to educate quite a few folks about the
>> breed!
>>
>> Jennifer Tucker
>> www.MooseMtnRanch.com
>> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above.  See yours in just 2 easy
>> steps!
>  
> http://www.patchworkfibers.com
> Registered Jacob Sheep, Handspun Yarn  
>
> _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing
> list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-
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From hannah at knoxfarms.com  Tue Jan 27 14:07:03 2009
From: hannah at knoxfarms.com (Hannah)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:07:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Jacob-list] outlet for fleeces
Message-ID: <51343.64.40.83.53.1233083223.squirrel@kit.rc4systems.net>

Hello,

I was wondering how everyone markets/sells their fleeces.  I have a
website, go to a farmers' market, and there are two fiber festivals in my
state.  I'm going to try to utilize those resources, but I was wondering
if anybody has one way that has been particularly successful for you.  How
about e-bay?  The closed auctions looked like a good return.

Thanks,

Hannah K


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From kenleighacres at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 14:07:58 2009
From: kenleighacres at yahoo.com (Shannon Phifer)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:07:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Jacob-list] 2009 Jacob Lambs
References: <mailman.7.1233162923.42255.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
Message-ID: <978502.97754.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone - We have lambs - 20 so far with more on their way!!!? You can see pictures of them on our website - http://www.kenleigh-acres.com/2009%20Lambs.htm?as well as our blog - www.kenleighacres.wordpress.com 

Enjoy!??
?
Shannon Phifer
Kenleigh Acres Farm
www.kenleigh-acres.com
That'll Do Photography
www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com

From pegvanbeek at msn.com  Fri Jan 30 14:10:15 2009
From: pegvanbeek at msn.com (Marguerite Van Beek)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:10:15 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] 2009 Jacob Lambs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1233162923.42255.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
	<978502.97754.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.7.1233162923.42255.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
	<978502.97754.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DS1AAEE26ECD8C74FD7C39BC7C60@phx.gbl>

Shannon

Wow!!, I just have one :( born today.

I love Joy she is a keeper.

Peg van Beek


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To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:07 PM
Subject: [Jacob-list] 2009 Jacob Lambs


Hi Everyone - We have lambs - 20 so far with more on their way!!! You can 
see pictures of them on our website - 
http://www.kenleigh-acres.com/2009%20Lambs.htm as well as our blog - 
www.kenleighacres.wordpress.com

Enjoy!

Shannon Phifer
Kenleigh Acres Farm
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From gotothewhip at aol.com  Fri Jan 30 14:59:33 2009
From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:59:33 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] 2009 Jacob Lambs
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How Exciting!? We dont start for a few weeks yet... and as per ultrasound (and my records) they will all pop within about 12 days of one another!? Its going to be busy!? The shearer is coming out on Sunday, a bit later that I had hoped, but we pay extra for gentle handling, so I hope he will oblige.? A bit nervous as it will be cold on Sunday when he shears, but is scheduled to be REALLY nice the following 5 days!

Jennifer Tucker
www.MooseMtnRanch.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Marguerite Van Beek <pegvanbeek at msn.com>
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com; Shannon Phifer <kenleighacres at yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:10 pm
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Shannon

Wow!!, I just have one :( born today.

I love Joy she is a keeper.

Peg van Beek


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shannon Phifer" <kenleighacres at yahoo.com>
To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:07 PM
Subject: [Jacob-list] 2009 Jacob Lambs


Hi Everyone - We have lambs - 20 so far with more on their way!!! You can 
see pictures of them on our website - 
http://www.kenleigh-acres.com/2009%20Lambs.htm as well as our blog - 
www.kenleighacres.wordpress.com

Enjoy!

Shannon Phifer
Kenleigh Acres Farm
www.kenleigh-acres.com
That'll Do Photography
www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com
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From gotothewhip at aol.com  Fri Jan 30 16:00:13 2009
From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:00:13 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] 2009 Jacob Lambs
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He does a nice job, I just like to pay a bit more, and tip heavy to know that I am doing EVERYTHING I can to make this a good situation for all involved! I am sure I dont NEED to do it, but Shearers are a little tough to come by, and if I am generous with pay, perhaps he wil be overly generous with his time, patience and kindness.

-----Original Message-----
From: Betty Berlenbach <lambfarm at sover.net>
To: gotothewhip at aol.com
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 1:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 2009 Jacob Lambs



Why do you have to pay extra to have the shearer do what s/he is supposed to do?? They are supposed to do gentle and appropriate handling!? My shearer comes 3/18, and lambs start the end of March...He is always very gentle and caring with the sheep, and if he weren't, I wouldn't pay him extra, I'd fire him and find someone else!? 


----- Original Message ----- 

From: gotothewhip at aol.com 

To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com 

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:59 PM

Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 2009 Jacob Lambs









How Exciting!? We dont start for a few weeks yet... and as per ultrasound (and my records) they will all pop within about 12 days of one another!? Its going to be busy!? The shearer is coming out on Sunday, a bit later that I had hoped, but we pay extra for gentle handling, so I hope he will oblige.? A bit nervous as it will be cold on Sunday when he shears, but is scheduled to be REALLY nice the following 5 days!

Jennifer Tucker
www.MooseMtnRanch.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Marguerite Van Beek <pegvanbeek at msn.com>
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com; Shannon Phifer <kenleighacres at yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] 2009 Jacob Lambs



Shannon

Wow!!, I just have one :( born today.

I love Joy she is a keeper.

Peg van Beek


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shannon Phifer" <kenleighacres at yahoo.com>
To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:07 PM
Subject: [Jacob-list] 2009 Jacob Lambs


Hi Everyone - We have lambs - 20 so far with more on their way!!! You can 
see pictures of them on our website - 
http://www.kenleigh-acres.com/2009%20Lambs.htm as well as our blog - 
www.kenleighacres.wordpress.com

Enjoy!

Shannon Phifer
Kenleigh Acres Farm
www.kenleigh-acres.com
That'll Do Photography
www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com
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From aztreaz at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 31 15:20:59 2009
From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:20:59 -0800
Subject: [Jacob-list] 2009 Jacob Lambs
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Why do you have to pay extra to have the shearer do what s/he is supposed
to do?? They are supposed to do gentle and appropriate handling!? My
shearer comes 3/18, and lambs start the end of March...He is always very
gentle and caring with the sheep, and if he weren't, I wouldn't pay him
extra, I'd fire him and find someone else!? 
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Very true; but perhaps she pays extra as a tip for doing a great job.  I
pay the shearer extra too.  I told him it is 'hazard pay' because he has to
put the boys (rams/wethers) between his legs and they have HUGE horns, some
pointed at the tip.  I always pay a little extra for people who I want to
come back and work for me again.  Maybe it means I get extra perks, like
fitting me in during a tight schedule.

Cathy
Moscow, Idaho