From BIDEWEE at aol.com  Wed Aug 12 12:49:35 2009
From: BIDEWEE at aol.com (BIDEWEE at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:49:35 EDT
Subject: [Jacob-list] Travelin' Sheep
Message-ID: <d61.53be91cd.37b44c9f@aol.com>

Hi all,
Just wanted to mention that we're going to be making a delivery trip at the 
 end of the month.  Doug will be leaving Oregon on August 29th and at  
present our itinerary includes stops in California,  Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, 
Oklahoma, and Tennessee.  We also have  friends heading to the East Coast in 
early October and they're willing to haul  sheep that direction for us.  If 
you're on or near either route  and are interested in purchasing sheep from 
us contact us for more  information.  For photos, prices and pedigrees of 
the lambs  and yearlings we have available visit _www.bideaweefarm.com_ 
(http://www.bideaweefarm.com) . 
 
Thanks,
Karen Lobb & Doug Montgomery

bide a wee farm
registered Jacob & Navajo-Churro Sheep
Newberg, Oregon - 503-538-7987
_www.bideaweefarm.com_ (http://www.bideaweefarm.com)  
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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Thu Aug 13 18:54:12 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:54:12 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] washable sheepskins
Message-ID: <4A849994.6030401@windstream.net>

I just received three washable pelts back from the tanner. These are the 
first I've had done. They smell strongly of moth balls and I need to 
wash them. I've never had any washable pelts before. How do I wash them?

TIA,

Linda

Patchwork Jacob Sheep <http://www.patchworkfibers.com>

From mudranch at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 13:28:32 2009
From: mudranch at gmail.com (Joan Gross)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:28:32 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1250266515.37264.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
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Hi Linda,

The instructions I got back are as follows:


   1. Rinse with cool water
   2. Wash with Woolite in warm water on gentle cycle for 3 minutes
   3. Rinse in warm water (twice.)  Allow to go thru spin cycles.  Air dry,
   then brush.
   4. Dryer set at 120 degrees - or air dry then put in dryer to fluff - no
   heat.

Joan Gross
www.mudranchjacobs.com

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> I just received three washable pelts back from the tanner. These are the
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> wash them. I've never had any washable pelts before. How do I wash them?
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From: RNS1260 at comcast.net (RNS1260 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:25:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Jacob-list] Washing fleece ans pelts
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We live a stones throw from the Mannings Handweaving studio. They do not recommend washing your woolen items in Woolite. To remove grease from fleece they recommend Dawn Dish Detergent. For any other wool items, they suggest?washing with Orvis.?and then rinsing with hair conditioner 

The two most important things to remember is DO Not change the temperature of your water. The temperature you wash in, is the temperature you rinse in. Do Not agitate. This is what causes felting. Let your fleece sit for 10 minutes in your wash water. Pressing down with your hands in a gentle motion to make certain it is fully immersed in the water. Spin out. Repeat the same for your rinse cycle. 

Hope this is of some help. 

Rise 'N' Shine Farm
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From lambfarm at sover.net  Sun Aug 16 07:37:48 2009
From: lambfarm at sover.net (Betty Berlenbach)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 07:37:48 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] washing fleece
Message-ID: <001701ca1e65$fd089a10$79a072d8@USER5AFE0954BF>

Two things I have to contribute:

I would NEVER do the initial wash in the washer; too afraid the lanolin and dirt would clog up the leach field and the septic system.  I hand wash in a canning pot, spilling the wash water outside in the woods away from any place where it would end up too quickly in the water table.

I would NEVER use DAWN for jacob fleece.  It is very, very strong, and is great for say, merino, where you almost have more grease than fleece.  I use shampoo or organic dish washing liquid for jacob fleeces.  I seldom have to use conditioner, but when I do, it is conditioner for color treated hair.  Color treatment beats up hair so it feels like straw, but after the conditioner, it feels like soft hair again...that's enough evidence for me!  I have to use it once in a while, but for the most part, if a fleece I have needs conditioner, and there are no other contributing factor, that ewe gets culled!  I try not to deal in fleeces which need conditioner to be soft, lofty, and wonderful!
 Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.
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From rlynde at onramp113.org  Sun Aug 16 12:05:56 2009
From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:05:56 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] washing fleece
References: <001701ca1e65$fd089a10$79a072d8@USER5AFE0954BF>
Message-ID: <77EEFC71CB104895B5ADCFAA626643D9@your4dacd0ea75>

Interesting how everyone has a different method. When I'm washing raw fleeces I first soak in a big outside sink that I can fill with a hose. After soaking the water drains out onto the dirt and takes with it a lot of the dirt in the wool. Next I put the fleece into hot water with Dawn in my washing machine and turn it off. After soaking for awhile I spin it out. I remove the fleece to fill the washer with hot rinse water. Add wool, soak, spin out. My wool comes out great. 

Robin Lynde
Meridian Jacobs
Vacaville, CA 
www.meridianjacobs.com 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Betty Berlenbach 
  To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:37 AM
  Subject: [Jacob-list] washing fleece


  Two things I have to contribute:

  I would NEVER do the initial wash in the washer; too afraid the lanolin and dirt would clog up the leach field and the septic system.  I hand wash in a canning pot, spilling the wash water outside in the woods away from any place where it would end up too quickly in the water table.

  I would NEVER use DAWN for jacob fleece.  It is very, very strong, and is great for say, merino, where you almost have more grease than fleece.  I use shampoo or organic dish washing liquid for jacob fleeces.  I seldom have to use conditioner, but when I do, it is conditioner for color treated hair.  Color treatment beats up hair so it feels like straw, but after the conditioner, it feels like soft hair again...that's enough evidence for me!  I have to use it once in a while, but for the most part, if a fleece I have needs conditioner, and there are no other contributing factor, that ewe gets culled!  I try not to deal in fleeces which need conditioner to be soft, lofty, and wonderful!
   Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.


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From mudranch at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 18:04:58 2009
From: mudranch at gmail.com (Joan Gross)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:04:58 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 4
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My reply was regarding washable PELTS, not raw fleece.  And my reply was
using the directions coming from the tannery (Bucks Co.)

Joan

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> We live a stones throw from the Mannings Handweaving studio. They do not
> recommend washing your woolen items in Woolite. To remove grease from fleece
> they recommend Dawn Dish Detergent. For any other wool items, they
> suggest?washing with Orvis.?and then rinsing with hair conditioner
>
> The two most important things to remember is DO Not change the temperature
> of your water. The temperature you wash in, is the temperature you rinse in.
> Do Not agitate. This is what causes felting. Let your fleece sit for 10
> minutes in your wash water. Pressing down with your hands in a gentle motion
> to make certain it is fully immersed in the water. Spin out. Repeat the same
> for your rinse cycle.
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> Hope this is of some help.
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> Rise 'N' Shine Farm
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> Subject: [Jacob-list] washing fleece
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> Two things I have to contribute:
>
> I would NEVER do the initial wash in the washer; too afraid the lanolin and
> dirt would clog up the leach field and the septic system.  I hand wash in a
> canning pot, spilling the wash water outside in the woods away from any
> place where it would end up too quickly in the water table.
>
> I would NEVER use DAWN for jacob fleece.  It is very, very strong, and is
> great for say, merino, where you almost have more grease than fleece.  I use
> shampoo or organic dish washing liquid for jacob fleeces.  I seldom have to
> use conditioner, but when I do, it is conditioner for color treated hair.
>  Color treatment beats up hair so it feels like straw, but after the
> conditioner, it feels like soft hair again...that's enough evidence for me!
>  I have to use it once in a while, but for the most part, if a fleece I have
> needs conditioner, and there are no other contributing factor, that ewe gets
> culled!  I try not to deal in fleeces which need conditioner to be soft,
> lofty, and wonderful!
>  Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and
> Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.
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> From: "Robin Lynde" <rlynde at onramp113.org>
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] washing fleece
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> Interesting how everyone has a different method. When I'm washing raw
> fleeces I first soak in a big outside sink that I can fill with a hose.
> After soaking the water drains out onto the dirt and takes with it a lot of
> the dirt in the wool. Next I put the fleece into hot water with Dawn in my
> washing machine and turn it off. After soaking for awhile I spin it out. I
> remove the fleece to fill the washer with hot rinse water. Add wool, soak,
> spin out. My wool comes out great.
>
> Robin Lynde
> Meridian Jacobs
> Vacaville, CA
> www.meridianjacobs.com
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Betty Berlenbach
>  To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
>  Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:37 AM
>  Subject: [Jacob-list] washing fleece
>
>
>  Two things I have to contribute:
>
>  I would NEVER do the initial wash in the washer; too afraid the lanolin
> and dirt would clog up the leach field and the septic system.  I hand wash
> in a canning pot, spilling the wash water outside in the woods away from any
> place where it would end up too quickly in the water table.
>
>  I would NEVER use DAWN for jacob fleece.  It is very, very strong, and is
> great for say, merino, where you almost have more grease than fleece.  I use
> shampoo or organic dish washing liquid for jacob fleeces.  I seldom have to
> use conditioner, but when I do, it is conditioner for color treated hair.
>  Color treatment beats up hair so it feels like straw, but after the
> conditioner, it feels like soft hair again...that's enough evidence for me!
>  I have to use it once in a while, but for the most part, if a fleece I have
> needs conditioner, and there are no other contributing factor, that ewe gets
> culled!  I try not to deal in fleeces which need conditioner to be soft,
> lofty, and wonderful!
>   Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and
> Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.
>
>
>
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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Sun Aug 16 18:30:27 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:30:27 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 4
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 From what I've read, Woolite is not the same formula it used to be and 
is now heavily alkaline. That may or may not be true :-)

Linda

Joan Gross wrote:
> My reply was regarding washable PELTS, not raw fleece.  And my reply 
> was using the directions coming from the tannery (Bucks Co.)
>  
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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Sun Aug 16 18:23:32 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:23:32 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Washing fleece ans pelts
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I have heard that about woolite and I do not recommend woolite for any 
woolen items I sell. My original question was regarding washing pelts, 
but it is interesting to hear how others wash their fleeces.

Like Robin, I do a cold water soak first. Saves alot of electricity and 
you get a much cleaner fleece with less electricity used.

I do use my washing machine for the cold water soak as well as for the 
hot water soak and rinse. When we built this house one of the things I 
insisted on was a way to divert the washing machine exhaust water to the 
garden/pasture. It's pretty basic and goes directly from the exhaust 
hose on the washer to pipes that empty into a 55 drum and on from there. 
The guys got techie when they designed the system I asked for, but it 
just ended up backing up and being a nuisance. My revised system is so 
simple that it's stupid - but it works. I've never had any problem with 
the washer getting plugged up, but if I had a brand new expensive 
machine, I might worry more. I'm not terribly protective of my washing 
machine :-)

Cheryl, I also like a shorter soak for the hot water wash and rinses. 
There are some washing products (like Borax) that are maybe fine for 10 
minutes and then they start to eat your wool. I've never really cared 
all that much for Orvis for washing fleeces. The wool seems just abit 
too greasy for me to want to run through my Supercard. Dawn worked fine 
for me with no damage to the wool, but is more expensive than some other 
options. A fiber mill once told me that used something that was the same 
as Era laundry detergent. I've found some laundry detergents that work 
well for me. I sometimes add a bit of Simple Green - again - short soak 
time.

Linda





RNS1260 at comcast.net wrote:
>
>
> We live a stones throw from the Mannings Handweaving studio. They do 
> not recommend washing your woolen items in Woolite. To remove grease 
> from fleece they recommend Dawn Dish Detergent. For any other wool 
> items, they suggest washing with Orvis. and then rinsing with hair 
> conditioner
>
> The two most important things to remember is _DO Not_ change the 
> temperature of your water. The temperature you wash in, is the 
> temperature you rinse in. _Do Not_ agitate. This is what causes 
> felting. Let your fleece sit for 10 minutes in your wash water. 
> Pressing down with your hands in a gentle motion to make certain it is 
> fully immersed in the water. Spin out. Repeat the same for your rinse 
> cycle.
>
> Hope this is of some help.
>
> Rise 'N' Shine Farm
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From rlynde at onramp113.org  Sun Aug 16 23:53:09 2009
From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:53:09 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelt washing
References: <mailman.3.1250439317.51132.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
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I thought that this conversation started as pelts, but then it seemed to change to fleeces. I recognized those instructions as the ones coming from Bucks Co. Along those lines, do you get a lot of variation in the way your pelts look when you get them back? Sometimes they are very fluffy and other times they seemed more compact (and looked like they've already been sat on a lot). At AGM someone (I can't remember who now, maybe Peg?) had a gorgeous luxurious looking pelt. She said she had brushed it out. I haven't bothered to do that thinking it would take too much time. But I am amazed at what a very light brushing will do to the pelt. I'm doing that to all the ones I put out for sale now. 
Robin Lynde
Meridian Jacobs
Vacaville, CA 
www.meridianjacobs.com 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joan Gross 
  To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 4


  My reply was regarding washable PELTS, not raw fleece.  And my reply was using the directions coming from the tannery (Bucks Co.)

  Joan


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    We live a stones throw from the Mannings Handweaving studio. They do not recommend washing your woolen items in Woolite. To remove grease from fleece they recommend Dawn Dish Detergent. For any other wool items, they suggest?washing with Orvis.?and then rinsing with hair conditioner

    The two most important things to remember is DO Not change the temperature of your water. The temperature you wash in, is the temperature you rinse in. Do Not agitate. This is what causes felting. Let your fleece sit for 10 minutes in your wash water. Pressing down with your hands in a gentle motion to make certain it is fully immersed in the water. Spin out. Repeat the same for your rinse cycle.

    Hope this is of some help.

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    From: "Betty Berlenbach" <lambfarm at sover.net>
    Subject: [Jacob-list] washing fleece
    To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
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    Two things I have to contribute:

    I would NEVER do the initial wash in the washer; too afraid the lanolin and dirt would clog up the leach field and the septic system.  I hand wash in a canning pot, spilling the wash water outside in the woods away from any place where it would end up too quickly in the water table.

    I would NEVER use DAWN for jacob fleece.  It is very, very strong, and is great for say, merino, where you almost have more grease than fleece.  I use shampoo or organic dish washing liquid for jacob fleeces.  I seldom have to use conditioner, but when I do, it is conditioner for color treated hair.  Color treatment beats up hair so it feels like straw, but after the conditioner, it feels like soft hair again...that's enough evidence for me!  I have to use it once in a while, but for the most part, if a fleece I have needs conditioner, and there are no other contributing factor, that ewe gets culled!  I try not to deal in fleeces which need conditioner to be soft, lofty, and wonderful!
     Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.
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    Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:05:56 -0700
    From: "Robin Lynde" <rlynde at onramp113.org>
    Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] washing fleece
    To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
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    Interesting how everyone has a different method. When I'm washing raw fleeces I first soak in a big outside sink that I can fill with a hose. After soaking the water drains out onto the dirt and takes with it a lot of the dirt in the wool. Next I put the fleece into hot water with Dawn in my washing machine and turn it off. After soaking for awhile I spin it out. I remove the fleece to fill the washer with hot rinse water. Add wool, soak, spin out. My wool comes out great.

    Robin Lynde
    Meridian Jacobs
    Vacaville, CA
    www.meridianjacobs.com
     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Betty Berlenbach
     To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
     Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:37 AM
     Subject: [Jacob-list] washing fleece


     Two things I have to contribute:

     I would NEVER do the initial wash in the washer; too afraid the lanolin and dirt would clog up the leach field and the septic system.  I hand wash in a canning pot, spilling the wash water outside in the woods away from any place where it would end up too quickly in the water table.

     I would NEVER use DAWN for jacob fleece.  It is very, very strong, and is great for say, merino, where you almost have more grease than fleece.  I use shampoo or organic dish washing liquid for jacob fleeces.  I seldom have to use conditioner, but when I do, it is conditioner for color treated hair.  Color treatment beats up hair so it feels like straw, but after the conditioner, it feels like soft hair again...that's enough evidence for me!  I have to use it once in a while, but for the most part, if a fleece I have needs conditioner, and there are no other contributing factor, that ewe gets culled!  I try not to deal in fleeces which need conditioner to be soft, lofty, and wonderful!
      Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.


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From mudranch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 12:26:26 2009
From: mudranch at gmail.com (Joan Gross)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:26:26 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1250525718.5275.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
References: <mailman.5.1250525718.5275.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
Message-ID: <f1982a790908170926m3598d86es83e6a8f00670b56d@mail.gmail.com>

Robin, two of my pelts were 5" staple lenghth and do seem quite a bit
different than the thrid which has about an 1.5" to 2" staple length.  I
believe they did brush mine as they were all pretty fluffy but do prefer the
shorter length for myself.  I will try to brush mine, haven't done that
yet!  I do find it quite humorous that I look forward to sending some lambs
to butcher because I get excited about getting the pelts going! :)

Joan

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:15 AM, <jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com> wrote:

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> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:53:09 -0700
> From: "Robin Lynde" <rlynde at onramp113.org>
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Pelt washing
> To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
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> I thought that this conversation started as pelts, but then it seemed to
> change to fleeces. I recognized those instructions as the ones coming from
> Bucks Co. Along those lines, do you get a lot of variation in the way your
> pelts look when you get them back? Sometimes they are very fluffy and other
> times they seemed more compact (and looked like they've already been sat on
> a lot). At AGM someone (I can't remember who now, maybe Peg?) had a gorgeous
> luxurious looking pelt. She said she had brushed it out. I haven't bothered
> to do that thinking it would take too much time. But I am amazed at what a
> very light brushing will do to the pelt. I'm doing that to all the ones I
> put out for sale now.
> Robin Lynde
> Meridian Jacobs
> Vacaville, CA
> www.meridianjacobs.com
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Joan Gross
>  To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
>  Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:04 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 4
>
>
>  My reply was regarding washable PELTS, not raw fleece.  And my reply was
> using the directions coming from the tannery (Bucks Co.)
>
>  Joan
>
>
>  On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:15 AM, <jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com>
> wrote:
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>      1. Washing fleece ans pelts (RNS1260 at comcast.net)
>      2. washing fleece (Betty Berlenbach)
>      3. Re: washing fleece (Robin Lynde)
>
>
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>    Message: 1
>    Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:25:58 +0000 (UTC)
>    From: RNS1260 at comcast.net
>    Subject: [Jacob-list] Washing fleece ans pelts
>    To: Jacob list to post <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
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>
>
>    We live a stones throw from the Mannings Handweaving studio. They do not
> recommend washing your woolen items in Woolite. To remove grease from fleece
> they recommend Dawn Dish Detergent. For any other wool items, they
> suggest?washing with Orvis.?and then rinsing with hair conditioner
>
>    The two most important things to remember is DO Not change the
> temperature of your water. The temperature you wash in, is the temperature
> you rinse in. Do Not agitate. This is what causes felting. Let your fleece
> sit for 10 minutes in your wash water. Pressing down with your hands in a
> gentle motion to make certain it is fully immersed in the water. Spin out.
> Repeat the same for your rinse cycle.
>
>    Hope this is of some help.
>
>    Rise 'N' Shine Farm
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>    From: "Betty Berlenbach" <lambfarm at sover.net>
>    Subject: [Jacob-list] washing fleece
>    To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
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>    Two things I have to contribute:
>
>    I would NEVER do the initial wash in the washer; too afraid the lanolin
> and dirt would clog up the leach field and the septic system.  I hand wash
> in a canning pot, spilling the wash water outside in the woods away from any
> place where it would end up too quickly in the water table.
>
>    I would NEVER use DAWN for jacob fleece.  It is very, very strong, and
> is great for say, merino, where you almost have more grease than fleece.  I
> use shampoo or organic dish washing liquid for jacob fleeces.  I seldom have
> to use conditioner, but when I do, it is conditioner for color treated hair.
>  Color treatment beats up hair so it feels like straw, but after the
> conditioner, it feels like soft hair again...that's enough evidence for me!
>  I have to use it once in a while, but for the most part, if a fleece I have
> needs conditioner, and there are no other contributing factor, that ewe gets
> culled!  I try not to deal in fleeces which need conditioner to be soft,
> lofty, and wonderful!
>     Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and
> Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.
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>    Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:05:56 -0700
>    From: "Robin Lynde" <rlynde at onramp113.org>
>    Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] washing fleece
>    To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
>    Message-ID: <77EEFC71CB104895B5ADCFAA626643D9 at your4dacd0ea75>
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>    Interesting how everyone has a different method. When I'm washing raw
> fleeces I first soak in a big outside sink that I can fill with a hose.
> After soaking the water drains out onto the dirt and takes with it a lot of
> the dirt in the wool. Next I put the fleece into hot water with Dawn in my
> washing machine and turn it off. After soaking for awhile I spin it out. I
> remove the fleece to fill the washer with hot rinse water. Add wool, soak,
> spin out. My wool comes out great.
>
>    Robin Lynde
>    Meridian Jacobs
>    Vacaville, CA
>    www.meridianjacobs.com
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Betty Berlenbach
>     To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
>     Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:37 AM
>     Subject: [Jacob-list] washing fleece
>
>
>     Two things I have to contribute:
>
>     I would NEVER do the initial wash in the washer; too afraid the lanolin
> and dirt would clog up the leach field and the septic system.  I hand wash
> in a canning pot, spilling the wash water outside in the woods away from any
> place where it would end up too quickly in the water table.
>
>     I would NEVER use DAWN for jacob fleece.  It is very, very strong, and
> is great for say, merino, where you almost have more grease than fleece.  I
> use shampoo or organic dish washing liquid for jacob fleeces.  I seldom have
> to use conditioner, but when I do, it is conditioner for color treated hair.
>  Color treatment beats up hair so it feels like straw, but after the
> conditioner, it feels like soft hair again...that's enough evidence for me!
>  I have to use it once in a while, but for the most part, if a fleece I have
> needs conditioner, and there are no other contributing factor, that ewe gets
> culled!  I try not to deal in fleeces which need conditioner to be soft,
> lofty, and wonderful!
>      Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and
> Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.
>
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From aztreaz at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 17 14:24:43 2009
From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:24:43 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] FW: Wooly wedding dress
Message-ID: <410-220098117182443506@earthlink.net>

Oops, the htm lost its "l".  Try again.
Sorry, Cathy



> [Original Message]
> From: ARTHUR PARTRIDGE <aztreaz at earthlink.net>
> To: jacob-list <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Date: 8/17/2009 11:16:36 AM
> Subject: Wooly wedding dress
>
> This dress is gorgeous!!  I would like to see a similar dress, but in
basic Jacob black and white 
> Click on: 
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1205007/Shepherdess-bride-marries-
stunning-dress-wool-flock.html
>
> If the link is fragmented then splice it back together so it works
> or click on http://tinyurl.com/mj5g4b

> Cathy
> Moscow, Ida


From aztreaz at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 17 14:16:40 2009
From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:16:40 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] Wooly wedding dress
Message-ID: <410-220098117181640210@earthlink.net>

This dress is gorgeous!!  I would like to see a similar dress, but in basic
Jacob black and white 
Click on: 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1205007/Shepherdess-bride-marries-
stunning-dress-wool-flock.htm

If the link is fragmented then splice it back together so it works
or click on http://tinyurl.com/r4du4l

Cathy
Moscow, Idaho



From farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com  Mon Aug 17 14:28:33 2009
From: farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com (Laura C Frazier)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:28:33 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelts
Message-ID: <A6214027-9517-4A88-82E0-F852C07F007D@triad.rr.com>

I'm wondering if those of you who have had experience with pelts  
would share that with me. Do you tell the butcher anything special in  
terms of skinning them? What works best in prepping them to send, etc?

Thanks!
Laura

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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Mon Aug 17 18:21:24 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:21:24 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelt washing
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Since these are my first pelts (and NO, this is not what I sent to 
Lonestar two years ago - this is what I sent to Stern's a year ago and 
they had to rebuild their tannery before even thinking about starting - 
slightly annoyed at Lonestar) I really didn't know what to do with them. 
I tried a light brushing and it certainly made a difference. Thanks for 
the tip.

Linda
http://www.patchworkfibers.com

Robin Lynde wrote:
> I thought that this conversation started as pelts, but then it seemed 
> to change to fleeces. I recognized those instructions as the ones 
> coming from Bucks Co. Along those lines, do you get a lot of variation 
> in the way your pelts look when you get them back? Sometimes they are 
> very fluffy and other times they seemed more compact (and looked like 
> they've already been sat on a lot). At AGM someone (I can't remember 
> who now, maybe Peg?) had a gorgeous luxurious looking pelt. She said 
> she had brushed it out. I haven't bothered to do that thinking it 
> would take too much time. But I am amazed at what a very light 
> brushing will do to the pelt. I'm doing that to all the ones I put out 
> for sale now.
> Robin Lynde
> Meridian Jacobs
> Vacaville, CA
> www.meridianjacobs.com <http://www.meridianjacobs.com>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>

From RNS1260 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 18 13:21:56 2009
From: RNS1260 at comcast.net (RNS1260 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:21:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelts
Message-ID: <393466951.1077801250616116315.JavaMail.root@sz0160a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>




I treated our pelts as if I would any other fleece when washing. I did notice that they were not as pliable and I will certainly take any advice in this area. When I prepared our pelts, I picked them up promptly from the butcher. I was told that it would be better to prepare them quickly. I carefully removed any excess meat and salted liberally. Make certain you really get the edges.?The next day the pelt had pooled with liquid, which I dumped off and re-salted. By the third salting, I left until dry and shook off the excess salt. I rolled them fur side in and sent them off to be professionally turned into washable pelts.? 

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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Tue Aug 18 17:09:17 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:17 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelts
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What's the best way to remove the excess meat?

Linda


RNS1260 at comcast.net wrote:
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>  I carefully removed any excess meat and salted liberally.
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> Rise 'N' Shine
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From btucker at nevcoservices.com  Tue Aug 18 17:33:37 2009
From: btucker at nevcoservices.com (btucker at nevcoservices.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:33:37 +0000
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelts
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Fish fillet knife or a box knife with replaceable blades.  The ten dollar ones from home depot that have a locking blade. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:17 
To: <RNS1260 at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Pelts


What's the best way to remove the excess meat?

Linda


RNS1260 at comcast.net wrote:
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>
>  I carefully removed any excess meat and salted liberally.
>
> Rise 'N' Shine
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From messen at socket.net  Tue Aug 18 18:22:06 2009
From: messen at socket.net (Mark Essen)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:22:06 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelts
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My preferred method is a two handled knife called a fleshing knife.  I  
get a rounded log to place the pelt on, fleece side down,  and then 
start cleaning.  It is more of a scraping process in this manner and I 
find it is easier to not cut the pelt.  I do not remember where I picked 
up my knife, but it was way before the internet.  I am sure it would be 
easier to find them now.

btucker at nevcoservices.com wrote:
> Fish fillet knife or a box knife with replaceable blades.  The ten dollar ones from home depot that have a locking blade. 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>
>
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:17 
> To: <RNS1260 at comcast.net>
> Cc: Jacob list to post<jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Pelts
>
>
> What's the best way to remove the excess meat?
>
> Linda
>
>
> RNS1260 at comcast.net wrote:
>   
>>  I carefully removed any excess meat and salted liberally.
>>
>> Rise 'N' Shine
>>
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>>
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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Tue Aug 18 18:59:16 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:59:16 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelts
In-Reply-To: <4A8B298E.7080503@socket.net>
References: <393466951.1077801250616116315.JavaMail.root@sz0160a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><4A8B187D.40603@windstream.net>	<1410233551-1250631163-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1528869419-@bxe1318.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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When I used to tan rabbit hides, I used the backside of a tablespoon to 
scrape them (not a spoon that I returned to my kitchen, of course). I 
guess that's the same thing that a fleshing knife would do. My hides 
come from the butcher pretty clean, but with some meat along the edges.

Linda

Mark Essen wrote:
> My preferred method is a two handled knife called a fleshing knife.  
> I  get a rounded log to place the pelt on, fleece side down,  and then 
> start cleaning.  It is more of a scraping process in this manner and I 
> find it is easier to not cut the pelt.  I do not remember where I 
> picked up my knife, but it was way before the internet.  I am sure it 
> would be easier to find them now.
>
> btucker at nevcoservices.com wrote:
>> Fish fillet knife or a box knife with replaceable blades.  The ten 
>> dollar ones from home depot that have a locking blade. Sent from my 
>> Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>

Patchwork Farm Jacob Sheep <http://www.patchworkfibers.com>
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From aztreaz at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 18 21:09:09 2009
From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:09:09 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelts
Message-ID: <410-220098319199718@earthlink.net>

--Previous Message--
>I'm wondering if those of you who have had experience with pelts 
>would share that with me. Do you tell the butcher anything special in 
>terms of skinning them? What works best in prepping them to send, etc?
> 
>Thanks!
>Laura
=========
A friend of mine wrote an article on preparing and sending sheep skins for
processing.  It will give you some direction.
See: 
http://www.isbona.com/vol8no1win04.html - 10k
 
Cathy
Moscow, Idaho



From schmick54 at aol.com  Wed Aug 19 00:10:24 2009
From: schmick54 at aol.com (schmick54 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:10:24 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelts
In-Reply-To: <4A8B187D.40603@windstream.net>
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 I use the Wyoming Knife. It is thin and sharp.It really gets the flesh off and doesn't cut into the pelt.

Mick


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>
To: RNS1260 at comcast.net
Cc: Jacob list to post <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Pelts









What's the best way to remove the excess meat??
?

Linda?
?


RNS1260 at comcast.net wrote:?

>?

>?

>  I carefully removed any excess meat and salted liberally.?

>?

> Rise 'N' Shine?

>?

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------?

>?

> _______________________________________________?

> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks?

> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com?

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From barbaras8 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 21 12:21:22 2009
From: barbaras8 at hotmail.com (Barbara Schultz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:21:22 +0000
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsize of herd
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Good morning all,

 

We are reducing our herd of 70 Jacobs down to 20.

We are selling older ewes (3 and up) for $50.

Registered

Contact for more information.

Thanks,


Barbara Schultz

Barbaras8 at hotmail.com

 
 


 


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From stcroft at ptd.net  Fri Aug 21 12:44:19 2009
From: stcroft at ptd.net (Susan J Martin)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:44:19 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Suggestion when selling Jacobs
Message-ID: <5F81FA5C87B24631AC21C1558FC99CE1@Ultra>

Just a suggestion -- folks who use this email list to advertise flock reductions might want to mention where they live.  If I never heard of a breeder I typically don't bother to look them up - whereas if I knew that they lived within my geographical area I would perhaps give it more attention.
Sue Martin
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From tcarnes at carnesely.com  Fri Aug 21 12:58:26 2009
From: tcarnes at carnesely.com (Thomas P. Carnes)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:58:26 +0000
Subject: [Jacob-list] Suggestion when selling Jacobs
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I was just about to say the same thing. It is like a sign that says "Garage sale -- today" and you dont know when today is or was (when it was posted). 
Thomas P. Carnes
713.921.7790 (Telephone)
713.921.7793 (Facsimile)
tcarnes at carnesely.com

Sent from my Verizon Wireless

-----Original Message-----
From: "Susan J Martin" <stcroft at ptd.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:44:19 
To: Sheep E-mail List<jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] Suggestion when selling Jacobs


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From beegal7 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 21 13:03:22 2009
From: beegal7 at yahoo.com (Meg Steensland)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsize of herd
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W3F25EA2441BD43E00C8A0E5FC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <384863.13440.qm@web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I would? like to downsize too by careful placement of 2008 and 2009 ewes and lambs - most 08 girls are registered.- I would rather not ship out older girls unless someone comes and buys a group and wants 'that particular sheep' as a core flock member? Only have one 06 ewe and 2 07's - mostof that age went to AR in a trade.? Do have elders from 2002 and 03 - not leaving until they get an invitation.

I am in central OH and for the record, showed Jacobs at the Fair at Mansfield and NEXT YEAR we have been promised a special JACOBS CLASS at tha Richland Co Fair.? In 2007, I tried to get the Morrow Co Fairboard to have a special one-day show of? ALBC-listed sheep - had some local support from ownerss of Shrops, horned Dorsts and Tunis, but the quilting bee group that runs the FB kept tableing the matter until I could not attend their meeting and then dropped it!

A Shetland Breeder in Knox Co is also trying to get an exotics sheep show at her fair.


--- On Fri, 8/21/09, Barbara Schultz <barbaras8 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Barbara Schultz <barbaras8 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsize of herd
To: "Jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 12:21 PM




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Good morning all,

?

We are reducing our herd of 70 Jacobs down to 20.

We are selling older ewes (3 and up) for $50.

Registered

Contact for more information.

Thanks,


Barbara Schultz

Barbaras8 at hotmail.com

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From gone2thedawgs at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 13:17:21 2009
From: gone2thedawgs at gmail.com (Tammy Knight)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:17:21 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pair of 4 Horn Jacobs Monroe, WA :)
Message-ID: <3d875c990908211017j8259c1bhaed2e5cf2a98528d@mail.gmail.com>

Thought I'd jump on this bandwagon.

 I am dispersing of all my sheep due to mountain lion predation problems. I
have a nice pair of Jacobs left to sell, (and some gorgeous Shetland ram
lambs, if anyone is interested) together or individually.

 The ewe, Sasha, is a yearling, four year old, B/W, 4 horn, lovely soft
fleece from Shadow Mountain. The ram, Lawrence, is a chocolate lilac, 4 horn
also with a nice fleece from Windy Acres.

$350 for the pair, or individually $250 for Lawrence and $200 for Sasha.
Can send pics, more info, please e-mail Tammy @ gone2thedawgs at gmail.com


On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Thomas P. Carnes <tcarnes at carnesely.com>wrote:

> I was just about to say the same thing. It is like a sign that says "Garage
> sale -- today" and you dont know when today is or was (when it was posted).
> Thomas P. Carnes
> 713.921.7790 (Telephone)
> 713.921.7793 (Facsimile)
> tcarnes at carnesely.com
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Susan J Martin" <stcroft at ptd.net>
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:44:19
> To: Sheep E-mail List<jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Subject: [Jacob-list] Suggestion when selling Jacobs
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks
> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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>



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From barbaras8 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 21 14:05:24 2009
From: barbaras8 at hotmail.com (Barbara Schultz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:05:24 +0000
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsize of herd
In-Reply-To: <384863.13440.qm@web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Sorry,

 

I am located in Port Townsend, WA

 

Thanks,


Barbara   Schultz
 
www.greenwaterfarm.com


 

barbaras8 at hotmail.com








i, 8/21/09, Barbara Schultz <barbaras8 at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Barbara Schultz <barbaras8 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsize of herd
To: "Jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 12:21 PM




  
Good morning all,
 
We are reducing our herd of 70 Jacobs down to 20.
We are selling older ewes (3 and up) for $50.
Registered
Contact for more information.
Thanks,

Barbara Schultz
Barbaras8 at hotmail.com


 
 


  



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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Fri Aug 21 14:09:51 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:09:51 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pair of 4 Horn Jacobs Monroe, WA :)
In-Reply-To: <3d875c990908211017j8259c1bhaed2e5cf2a98528d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d875c990908211017j8259c1bhaed2e5cf2a98528d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8EE2EF.2000302@windstream.net>

A yearling, four year old?

Tammy Knight wrote:
>
>  
>  The ewe, Sasha, is a yearling, four year old, B/W,
>
>  

-- 
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From gone2thedawgs at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 14:16:01 2009
From: gone2thedawgs at gmail.com (Tammy Knight)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:16:01 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] Pair of 4 Horn Jacobs Monroe, WA :)
In-Reply-To: <4A8EE2EF.2000302@windstream.net>
References: <3d875c990908211017j8259c1bhaed2e5cf2a98528d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A8EE2EF.2000302@windstream.net>
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eek.  Shouldn't post things when I'm at work....that 4 horn. :) Tammy

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>wrote:

> A yearling, four year old?
>
>
> Tammy Knight wrote:
>
>>
>>   The ewe, Sasha, is a yearling, four year old, B/W,
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Patchwork Farm Jacob Sheep <http://www.patchworkfibers.com>
>



-- 

"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life,
his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat
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From ncd at mitre.org  Fri Aug 21 14:12:27 2009
From: ncd at mitre.org (Donnangelo, Nick)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:12:27 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20259D87F4D8DA47B9C207C1A1AC5CD40DA095E9DB@IMCMBX4.MITRE.ORG>

We have two very nice looking 4 horn (actually one has a distinct 5th horn emerging near the right lateral, nothing yet noted on the left) 09 ram lambs.  Good markings, horn symmetry and temperament.  Unregistered, but our flock is out of the Chicory Lane flock.  We are located in northern Virginia.  We do not have transportation so one or both would necessarily be pick up.  Please email me for photo's of lambs, parents.  Thanks!

Nick Donnangelo
Shiloh Manor
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From shmee1 at mail.com  Sat Aug 22 12:42:11 2009
From: shmee1 at mail.com (Leigh Nelson)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:42:11 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] Culling based on horn breakage
Message-ID: <20090822164211.26E021CE833@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

Hello all,

It's that time of year again where I need to decide which lambs to keep
and which to cull.? I am having a tough time deciding if I should keep a
really nice looking ewe lamb with a broken horn.? Do other breeders cull
based on horn breakage?? Does it matter more if it's a latteral horn vs a
top horn?? I would love to get an opinion from the group.

Thanks,
Leigh?

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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Sat Aug 22 13:30:22 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:30:22 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Culling based on horn breakage
In-Reply-To: <20090822164211.26E021CE833@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20090822164211.26E021CE833@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4A902B2E.1@windstream.net>

If there is a true horn core there and not a scur after the break, I 
never cull based on horn breakage. Getting a four horned ewe lamb 
through her first year without having her break a horn doesn't always 
happen. The horns grow back and you're liable to not any difference 
between the ones that broke horns and the ones that didn't when they are 
yearlings.

Linda

Leigh Nelson wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> It's that time of year again where I need to decide which lambs to 
> keep and which to cull.  I am having a tough time deciding if I should 
> keep a really nice looking ewe lamb with a broken horn.  Do other 
> breeders cull based on horn breakage?  Does it matter more if it's a 
> latteral horn vs a top horn?  I would love to get an opinion from the 
> group.
>
> Thanks,
> Leigh 
>
> --

-- 
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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Sat Aug 22 20:06:35 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:06:35 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsize of herd (upsize, stay the same?)
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W3F25EA2441BD43E00C8A0E5FC0@phx.gbl>
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Barbara - Wish I was close enough to take advantage of your downsizing.

I'm curious as to who is downsizing, staying the same, or increasing 
flock size.

I have pretty much over wintered 24 sheep (give or take 2) every year 
for the last 10 or so years. Last year we over wintered 22 - 2 rams, 12 
breeding ewes, 1 retired ewe, and 7 ewe lambs. I'll not feed quite as 
high a percentage of ewe lambs again - or I will go back to breeding ewe 
lambs. This year, I'll breed more ewes and have less ewe lambs - 16 
breeding ewes, 2 ewe lambs, RubyBelle (our retired matriarch who has 
earned a forever home here), and 4 breeding rams.

Who is keeping more this winter? or less? or the same?

Linda



Barbara Schultz wrote:
>  
>
> Good morning all,
>  
> We are reducing our herd of 70 Jacobs down to 20.
> We are selling older ewes (3 and up) for $50.
> Registered
> Contact for more information.
> Thanks,
>
> Barbara Schultz
> Barbaras8 at hotmail.com <mailto:Barbaras8 at hotmail.com>
>
>  
>  
>
>
>
>  
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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From aztreaz at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 23 14:26:10 2009
From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:26:10 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsize of herd (upsize, stay the same?
Message-ID: <410-220098023182610109@earthlink.net>

--Linda asked:
>I'm curious as to who is downsizing, staying the same, or increasing 
>flock size.
==========
Due to our increasing age and the price of livestock feed, vet care, etc.,
we are staying the same, maybe will have two or three ewes bred for meat or
replacement animals.  We now have 12 ewes, one ram, two lamb wethers, one
castrated (done after sexual maturity so the horns grow) ram lamb, three
adult wethers, and one adult castrated ram.  We will try and maintain the
existing herd, but might have to downsize slowly.  I hope most can live out
their lives here, if we can afford it.  I am mostly interested in wool
production; but I have found that I can buy some really nice raw wool from
other Jacob breeders.  Last year I bought a gorgeous black, yearling, Jacob
fleece from Bide-A-Wee Farm in Oregon, better and cheaper than I can
produce here.  So I hope that place and others continue producing quality
animals and products.

Cathy
Moscow, Idaho



From stcroft at ptd.net  Sun Aug 23 14:47:41 2009
From: stcroft at ptd.net (Susan J Martin)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:47:41 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Downsizing
Message-ID: <44F4DBBF3B0E43EBA4C27081D51ABB97@Ultra>

We are downsizing here @ Stonecroft......I am keeping just 6 ewes and will not be breeding this Fall.  The reason is that our business (electrical construction) has been very impacted by the recession.  (And I would seriously consider any offers on the remaining 6 ewes.)  Our lambs from this past Spring will go to the sheep auction.
Sue Martin
Stonecroft
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From lambfarm at sover.net  Sun Aug 23 16:04:18 2009
From: lambfarm at sover.net (Betty Berlenbach)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:04:18 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsizing
Message-ID: <002401ca242c$f9683ec0$31a172d8@USER5AFE0954BF>

It sounds like the economic situation is taking its toll on us breeders.  I have been bemoaning the fact that for the last 10 years or so, grain and hay prices have skyrocketed out of control, but the price of lambs, both as meat and as breeding stock, has pretty much stayed the same. (I guess I should be grateful, in a way, as up here, the prices of shetland sheep, which I also had as a cash crop, have gone from $5-800 apiece to $200 or max, $300 apiece.  I got rid of the shetlands!  I will have to downsize a little, and like Cathy, am aging, and thinking that each year I go down a bit in numbers.  Hopefully, at some point, I will be able to switch to buying six lambs in the spring, keeping them on pasture until November, and then, shearing and butchering, after breeding and keeping them all year becomes too difficult.  I do like having them here.  I will breed this year, probably 12 ewes, but I might consider just breeding some of them...We shall see. I don't have to make that decision until Nov. 1.
 Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.
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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Sun Aug 23 18:25:07 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:25:07 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsize of herd (upsize, stay the same?
In-Reply-To: <410-220098023182610109@earthlink.net>
References: <410-220098023182610109@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4A91C1C3.60504@windstream.net>

I have found that buying a few extra fleeces to satisfy yarn orders is 
alot cheaper than buying a few extra sheep :-) I usually buy 10 to 12 
fleeces a year.

Linda

ARTHUR PARTRIDGE wrote:
> -
>   I am mostly interested in wool
> production; but I have found that I can buy some really nice raw wool from
> other Jacob breeders.  Last year I bought a gorgeous black, yearling, Jacob
> fleece from Bide-A-Wee Farm in Oregon, better and cheaper than I can
> produce here.  So I hope that place and others continue producing quality
> animals and products.
>
> Cathy
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
>   

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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Sun Aug 23 19:27:40 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:27:40 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsizing
In-Reply-To: <002401ca242c$f9683ec0$31a172d8@USER5AFE0954BF>
References: <002401ca242c$f9683ec0$31a172d8@USER5AFE0954BF>
Message-ID: <4A91D06C.5050709@windstream.net>

We're in a different situation here. Prices and demand for quality 
breeding stock in the southeast has risen in the last few years. I think 
the internet has alot to do with that. After a few years when even 
finding hay was near impossible, hay is now fairly plentiful and we are 
paying less for better hay. It has started to rain after five years of 
drought, so my sheep get to eat grass sometimes. My yarn sales are 
pretty good. And I'm getting younger (just joking..I'm aging as fast(er) 
as everyone else - and I sure feel it on our hills). But, Dave is 
semi-retired now, so I have more help now and feel younger at the end of 
the day :-). We haven't had much luck in finding someone to come do the 
little bit of clearing we'd hoped to do for more pasture, which has been 
a setback. But it was a profitable year for me.
I'm curious about the economics of not breeding all the adult ewes. You 
still have to feed them. Unless you are separating them from your bred 
ewe flock, they are eating just as much and producing only a fleece to 
sell.  You won't be feeding the lambs, of course, and the fleece would 
probably be a bit bigger.

Linda

Betty Berlenbach wrote:
> It sounds like the economic situation is taking its toll on us 
> breeders.  I have been bemoaning the fact that for the last 10 years 
> or so, grain and hay prices have skyrocketed out of control, but the 
> price of lambs, both as meat and as breeding stock, has pretty much 
> stayed the same. (I guess I should be grateful, in a way, as up here, 
> the prices of shetland sheep, which I also had as a cash crop, have 
> gone from $5-800 apiece to $200 or max, $300 apiece.  I got rid of the 
> shetlands!  I will have to downsize a little, and like Cathy, am 
> aging, and thinking that each year I go down a bit in numbers.  
> Hopefully, at some point, I will be able to switch to buying six lambs 
> in the spring, keeping them on pasture until November, and then, 
> shearing and butchering, after breeding and keeping them all year 
> becomes too difficult.  I do like having them here.  I will breed this 
> year, probably 12 ewes, but I might consider just breeding some of 
> them...We shall see. I don't have to make that decision until Nov. 1.
>  Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and 
> Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From tcarnes at carnesely.com  Mon Aug 24 12:08:56 2009
From: tcarnes at carnesely.com (Thomas Carnes)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:08:56 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsizing
In-Reply-To: <4A91D06C.5050709@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <20090824160948532.HQQH23392@hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com>

>From our perspective, we play both sides of the inputs.  We grow our own
hay, and sell most of it.  We make enough on our coastal to buy alfalfa
(which we cannot grow here as a perennial crop) in the winter with our
coastal profits.  It would be much harder on us if we were not able to grow
feed.  I can see how being subject to all the price fluctuations as fuel
prices move would be very difficult. 

 

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From: jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com
[mailto:jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com] On Behalf Of Linda
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:28 PM
To: Betty Berlenbach
Cc: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] downsizing

 

We're in a different situation here. Prices and demand for quality breeding
stock in the southeast has risen in the last few years. I think the internet
has alot to do with that. After a few years when even finding hay was near
impossible, hay is now fairly plentiful and we are paying less for better
hay. It has started to rain after five years of drought, so my sheep get to
eat grass sometimes. My yarn sales are pretty good. And I'm getting younger
(just joking..I'm aging as fast(er) as everyone else - and I sure feel it on
our hills). But, Dave is semi-retired now, so I have more help now and feel
younger at the end of the day :-). We haven't had much luck in finding
someone to come do the little bit of clearing we'd hoped to do for more
pasture, which has been a setback. But it was a profitable year for me.
I'm curious about the economics of not breeding all the adult ewes. You
still have to feed them. Unless you are separating them from your bred ewe
flock, they are eating just as much and producing only a fleece to sell.
You won't be feeding the lambs, of course, and the fleece would probably be
a bit bigger. 

Linda

Betty Berlenbach wrote: 

It sounds like the economic situation is taking its toll on us breeders.  I
have been bemoaning the fact that for the last 10 years or so, grain and hay
prices have skyrocketed out of control, but the price of lambs, both as meat
and as breeding stock, has pretty much stayed the same. (I guess I should be
grateful, in a way, as up here, the prices of shetland sheep, which I also
had as a cash crop, have gone from $5-800 apiece to $200 or max, $300
apiece.  I got rid of the shetlands!  I will have to downsize a little, and
like Cathy, am aging, and thinking that each year I go down a bit in
numbers.  Hopefully, at some point, I will be able to switch to buying six
lambs in the spring, keeping them on pasture until November, and then,
shearing and butchering, after breeding and keeping them all year becomes
too difficult.  I do like having them here.  I will breed this year,
probably 12 ewes, but I might consider just breeding some of them...We shall
see. I don't have to make that decision until Nov. 1.

 Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and Linda.
See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.






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From southwindfarms at frontiernet.net  Mon Aug 24 12:53:49 2009
From: southwindfarms at frontiernet.net (southwindfarms at frontiernet.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:53:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 13
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We normally breed about 20 Jacob ewes.  This year the boss said to retain as many ewe lambs as I could.  So we will be upsizing some.  I probably won't breed the ewe lambs this year.  

Laura
Southwind Farms
www.southwindfarms.org

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   1. Re: downsize of herd (upsize, stay the same? (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE)
   2. Downsizing (Susan J Martin)
   3. downsizing (Betty Berlenbach)
   4. Re: downsize of herd (upsize, stay the same? (Linda)
   5. Re: downsizing (Linda)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:26:10 -0700
From: "ARTHUR PARTRIDGE" <aztreaz at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] downsize of herd (upsize, stay the same?
To: "jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Message-ID: <410-220098023182610109 at earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

--Linda asked:
>I'm curious as to who is downsizing, staying the same, or increasing 
>flock size.
==========
Due to our increasing age and the price of livestock feed, vet care, etc.,
we are staying the same, maybe will have two or three ewes bred for meat or
replacement animals.  We now have 12 ewes, one ram, two lamb wethers, one
castrated (done after sexual maturity so the horns grow) ram lamb, three
adult wethers, and one adult castrated ram.  We will try and maintain the
existing herd, but might have to downsize slowly.  I hope most can live out
their lives here, if we can afford it.  I am mostly interested in wool
production; but I have found that I can buy some really nice raw wool from
other Jacob breeders.  Last year I bought a gorgeous black, yearling, Jacob
fleece from Bide-A-Wee Farm in Oregon, better and cheaper than I can
produce here.  So I hope that place and others continue producing quality
animals and products.

Cathy
Moscow, Idaho




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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:47:41 -0400
From: "Susan J Martin" <stcroft at ptd.net>
Subject: [Jacob-list] Downsizing
To: "Sheep E-mail List" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Message-ID: <44F4DBBF3B0E43EBA4C27081D51ABB97 at Ultra>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

We are downsizing here @ Stonecroft......I am keeping just 6 ewes and will not be breeding this Fall.  The reason is that our business (electrical construction) has been very impacted by the recession.  (And I would seriously consider any offers on the remaining 6 ewes.)  Our lambs from this past Spring will go to the sheep auction.
Sue Martin
Stonecroft
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:04:18 -0400
From: "Betty Berlenbach" <lambfarm at sover.net>
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsizing
To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Message-ID: <002401ca242c$f9683ec0$31a172d8 at USER5AFE0954BF>
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It sounds like the economic situation is taking its toll on us breeders.  I have been bemoaning the fact that for the last 10 years or so, grain and hay prices have skyrocketed out of control, but the price of lambs, both as meat and as breeding stock, has pretty much stayed the same. (I guess I should be grateful, in a way, as up here, the prices of shetland sheep, which I also had as a cash crop, have gone from $5-800 apiece to $200 or max, $300 apiece.  I got rid of the shetlands!  I will have to downsize a little, and like Cathy, am aging, and thinking that each year I go down a bit in numbers.  Hopefully, at some point, I will be able to switch to buying six lambs in the spring, keeping them on pasture until November, and then, shearing and butchering, after breeding and keeping them all year becomes too difficult.  I do like having them here.  I will breed this year, probably 12 ewes, but I might consider just breeding some of them...We shall see. I don't have to make t
 hat decision until Nov. 1.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:25:07 -0400
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] downsize of herd (upsize, stay the same?
To: aztreaz at earthlink.net
Cc: jacob-list <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Message-ID: <4A91C1C3.60504 at windstream.net>
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I have found that buying a few extra fleeces to satisfy yarn orders is 
alot cheaper than buying a few extra sheep :-) I usually buy 10 to 12 
fleeces a year.

Linda

ARTHUR PARTRIDGE wrote:
> -
>   I am mostly interested in wool
> production; but I have found that I can buy some really nice raw wool from
> other Jacob breeders.  Last year I bought a gorgeous black, yearling, Jacob
> fleece from Bide-A-Wee Farm in Oregon, better and cheaper than I can
> produce here.  So I hope that place and others continue producing quality
> animals and products.
>
> Cathy
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
>   

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:27:40 -0400
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] downsizing
To: Betty Berlenbach <lambfarm at sover.net>
Cc: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Message-ID: <4A91D06C.5050709 at windstream.net>
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We're in a different situation here. Prices and demand for quality 
breeding stock in the southeast has risen in the last few years. I think 
the internet has alot to do with that. After a few years when even 
finding hay was near impossible, hay is now fairly plentiful and we are 
paying less for better hay. It has started to rain after five years of 
drought, so my sheep get to eat grass sometimes. My yarn sales are 
pretty good. And I'm getting younger (just joking..I'm aging as fast(er) 
as everyone else - and I sure feel it on our hills). But, Dave is 
semi-retired now, so I have more help now and feel younger at the end of 
the day :-). We haven't had much luck in finding someone to come do the 
little bit of clearing we'd hoped to do for more pasture, which has been 
a setback. But it was a profitable year for me.
I'm curious about the economics of not breeding all the adult ewes. You 
still have to feed them. Unless you are separating them from your bred 
ewe flock, they are eating just as much and producing only a fleece to 
sell.  You won't be feeding the lambs, of course, and the fleece would 
probably be a bit bigger.

Linda

Betty Berlenbach wrote:
> It sounds like the economic situation is taking its toll on us 
> breeders.  I have been bemoaning the fact that for the last 10 years 
> or so, grain and hay prices have skyrocketed out of control, but the 
> price of lambs, both as meat and as breeding stock, has pretty much 
> stayed the same. (I guess I should be grateful, in a way, as up here, 
> the prices of shetland sheep, which I also had as a cash crop, have 
> gone from $5-800 apiece to $200 or max, $300 apiece.  I got rid of the 
> shetlands!  I will have to downsize a little, and like Cathy, am 
> aging, and thinking that each year I go down a bit in numbers.  
> Hopefully, at some point, I will be able to switch to buying six lambs 
> in the spring, keeping them on pasture until November, and then, 
> shearing and butchering, after breeding and keeping them all year 
> becomes too difficult.  I do like having them here.  I will breed this 
> year, probably 12 ewes, but I might consider just breeding some of 
> them...We shall see. I don't have to make that decision until Nov. 1.
>  Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and 
> Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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> Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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From gone2thedawgs at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 13:07:33 2009
From: gone2thedawgs at gmail.com (Tammy Knight)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:07:33 -0700
Subject: [Jacob-list] Travel I-5 south to Eugene
Message-ID: <3d875c990908241007n35677737n56f6200faed47609@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,

   I know some of you expressed interest in the 4 horn ewe and ram that I
have for sale. I just wanted to let people know that I will be traveling
down I-5 to Eugene this coming Sat if distance was an issue. Tammy Knight
Wrensong Farm

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From beegal7 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 24 15:11:33 2009
From: beegal7 at yahoo.com (Meg Steensland)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:11:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsizing
In-Reply-To: <002401ca242c$f9683ec0$31a172d8@USER5AFE0954BF>
Message-ID: <573088.49153.qm@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

$300 a head!? in OH I am lucky to get $150 which is below prodn cost andI have to give away a guard llama for $100.? Market lambs maybe go for $65 unless someone has? waited too long and is desperate to get a celebratory lamb.? I did sell a res CH ewe for $300 back in 2006 but the lady got a divorce and brought her back demanding her $ back (and I did not want to have the sheep go to the butcher!)
?
My neighbor who has Belgians used to get $3000 for a mare and now cannot give them away for $300 and his hay is running him $1200/mo - about a SS ck! Hay has come down a bit but thre are still growers wanting $50+/rnd bale.

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Betty Berlenbach <lambfarm at sover.net> wrote:


From: Betty Berlenbach <lambfarm at sover.net>
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsizing
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 4:04 PM





It sounds like the economic situation is taking its toll on us breeders.? I have been bemoaning the fact that for the last 10 years or so, grain and hay prices have skyrocketed out of control, but the price of lambs, both as meat and as breeding stock, has pretty much stayed the same. (I guess I should be grateful, in a way, as up here, the prices of shetland sheep, which I also had as a cash crop, have gone from $5-800 apiece to $200 or max, $300 apiece.? I got rid of the shetlands!? I will have to downsize a little, and like Cathy, am aging, and thinking that each year I go down a bit in numbers.? Hopefully, at some point, I will be able to switch to buying six lambs in the spring, keeping them on pasture until November, and then, shearing and butchering, after breeding and keeping them all year becomes too difficult.? I do like having them here.? I will breed this year, probably 12 ewes, but I might consider just breeding some of them...We shall
 see. I don't have to make that decision until Nov. 1.
?Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and Linda.? See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.
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From tcarnes at carnesely.com  Mon Aug 24 15:24:58 2009
From: tcarnes at carnesely.com (Thomas Carnes)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:24:58 -0500
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsizing
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We get 50 per round bale for low grade hay, 65 for good hay.  Some people
are getting 75.

 

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Kerrville, Texas 78028

  

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[mailto:jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com] On Behalf Of Meg Steensland
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:12 PM
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com; Betty Berlenbach
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] downsizing

 


$300 a head!  in OH I am lucky to get $150 which is below prodn cost andI
have to give away a guard llama for $100.  Market lambs maybe go for $65
unless someone has  waited too long and is desperate to get a celebratory
lamb.  I did sell a res CH ewe for $300 back in 2006 but the lady got a
divorce and brought her back demanding her $ back (and I did not want to
have the sheep go to the butcher!)

 

My neighbor who has Belgians used to get $3000 for a mare and now cannot
give them away for $300 and his hay is running him $1200/mo - about a SS ck!
Hay has come down a bit but thre are still growers wanting $50+/rnd bale.

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Betty Berlenbach <lambfarm at sover.net> wrote:


From: Betty Berlenbach <lambfarm at sover.net>
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsizing
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 4:04 PM

It sounds like the economic situation is taking its toll on us breeders.  I
have been bemoaning the fact that for the last 10 years or so, grain and hay
prices have skyrocketed out of control, but the price of lambs, both as meat
and as breeding stock, has pretty much stayed the same. (I guess I should be
grateful, in a way, as up here, the prices of shetland sheep, which I also
had as a cash crop, have gone from $5-800 apiece to $200 or max, $300
apiece.  I got rid of the shetlands!  I will have to downsize a little, and
like Cathy, am aging, and thinking that each year I go down a bit in
numbers.  Hopefully, at some point, I will be able to switch to buying six
lambs in the spring, keeping them on pasture until November, and then,
shearing and butchering, after breeding and keeping them all year becomes
too difficult.  I do like having them here.  I will breed this year,
probably 12 ewes, but I might consider just breeding some of them...We shall
see. I don't have to make that decision until Nov. 1.

 Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and Linda.
See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com
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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Mon Aug 24 17:44:02 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:44:02 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 13
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It's to hear that some breeders are upsizing a bit.

southwindfarms at frontiernet.net wrote:
> We normally breed about 20 Jacob ewes.  This year the boss said to retain as many ewe lambs as I could.  So we will be upsizing some.  I probably won't breed the ewe lambs this year.  
>
> Laura
> Southwind Farms
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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Mon Aug 24 17:57:14 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:57:14 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] downsizing
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We pay anywhere from $50/ton to $240/ton for hay, although I'm not sure 
I'm going to get much of the $240/ton hay this year.  It works out a 
little better in terms of having to haul it to supplement with alfalfa 
cubes or pellets and add some grain when I need to.It saves a bit of 
money to buy rolls, especially since the farmer has been rolling me 
300lb rolls - much easier to work with then the 1000lb rolls we used to 
get. Being self sufficient enough to grow your own hay certainly sound 
wonderful.

Linda

Thomas Carnes wrote:
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> alfalfa (which we cannot grow here as a perennial crop) in the winter 
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> *Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:28 PM
> *To:* Betty Berlenbach
> *Cc:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] downsizing
>
>  
>
> We're in a different situation here. Prices and demand for quality 
> breeding stock in the southeast has risen in the last few years. I 
> think the internet has alot to do with that. After a few years when 
> even finding hay was near impossible, hay is now fairly plentiful and 
> we are paying less for better hay. It has started to rain after five 
> years of drought, so my sheep get to eat grass sometimes. My yarn 
> sales are pretty good. And I'm getting younger (just joking..I'm aging 
> as fast(er) as everyone else - and I sure feel it on our hills). But, 
> Dave is semi-retired now, so I have more help now and feel younger at 
> the end of the day :-). We haven't had much luck in finding someone to 
> come do the little bit of clearing we'd hoped to do for more pasture, 
> which has been a setback. But it was a profitable year for me.
> I'm curious about the economics of not breeding all the adult ewes. 
> You still have to feed them. Unless you are separating them from your 
> bred ewe flock, they are eating just as much and producing only a 
> fleece to sell.  You won't be feeding the lambs, of course, and the 
> fleece would probably be a bit bigger.
>
> Linda
>
> Betty Berlenbach wrote:
>
> It sounds like the economic situation is taking its toll on us 
> breeders.  I have been bemoaning the fact that for the last 10 years 
> or so, grain and hay prices have skyrocketed out of control, but the 
> price of lambs, both as meat and as breeding stock, has pretty much 
> stayed the same. (I guess I should be grateful, in a way, as up here, 
> the prices of shetland sheep, which I also had as a cash crop, have 
> gone from $5-800 apiece to $200 or max, $300 apiece.  I got rid of the 
> shetlands!  I will have to downsize a little, and like Cathy, am 
> aging, and thinking that each year I go down a bit in numbers.  
> Hopefully, at some point, I will be able to switch to buying six lambs 
> in the spring, keeping them on pasture until November, and then, 
> shearing and butchering, after breeding and keeping them all year 
> becomes too difficult.  I do like having them here.  I will breed this 
> year, probably 12 ewes, but I might consider just breeding some of 
> them...We shall see. I don't have to make that decision until Nov. 1.
>
>  Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and 
> Linda.  See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com.
>
>
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Subject: [Jacob-list] Economic toll
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We would love to down size due to the economic crunch. Our 20 plus Jacobs, four llamas and three alpacas don't seem to be decreasing at this time. Our oldest daughters friend stopped into get a bite to eat at a restaurant. Her trailer was empty when her husband? and her went in to get a bite to eat.When she returned, they had two unknown horses in it. These are truly sad times when people don't know how they can feed the animals that they love. 

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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Mon Aug 24 17:58:55 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:58:55 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 13
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Edited to correct. Someday I am going to proofread, but probably not 
anytime soon.

Linda wrote:
> It's GOOD to hear that some breeders are upsizing a bit.
>
> southwindfarms at frontiernet.net wrote:
>> We normally breed about 20 Jacob ewes.  This year the boss said to retain as many ewe lambs as I could.  So we will be upsizing some.  I probably won't breed the ewe lambs this year.  
>>
>> Laura
>> Southwind Farms
>> www.southwindfarms.org
>>
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From snielsen1 at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 24 20:30:58 2009
From: snielsen1 at earthlink.net (Susan Nielsen)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:30:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Jacob-list] Downsizing
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I don't know what I'm doing...

Well, I do of course. After letting things number down for a couple of years for one reason or another, we bred only 5 ewes last fall. From those breedings, 3 were nice ewe lambs. I won't breed them this year, but if they mature well I will next year. So I guess that rates as upsizing.

Susan

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From hettick1 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 25 09:41:05 2009
From: hettick1 at yahoo.com (Heather Hettick)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14
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Message-ID: <233065.36347.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--Linda asked:
>I'm curious as to who is downsizing, staying the same, or increasing 
>flock size.


I am staying the same with Jacobs - 9 ewes and a ram.  I culled two older/problem ewes this year but kept two lambs.  My overall numbers are going up because I'm keeping two Icelandic ewe lambs and 1 ram lamb and got another ewe in a trade - 2 rams and 9 ewes,  plus we have one Jacob/Tunis ewe who my husband likes.

I'm not doing well selling the registered Jacobs this year.  Two registerable ewes and two rams are going for meat along with my crosses later this week.

I do have a nice new ram lamb and am looking forward to some pretty Jacobs next year though.

Luckily we got a great deal on hay at the local auction.  My husband bought two loads at $100 a ton.  One batch was so/so but the other was good and we got two more loads from the same farmer, but we paid him a better price per bale.


      

From fourhornfarm at verizon.net  Tue Aug 25 17:06:26 2009
From: fourhornfarm at verizon.net (fourhornfarm)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:06:26 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14
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Message-ID: <D08C431906E7423C8AEDA1113C49F73A@DollyLama>

Hello All,

    We are staying around the same as last year with our Jacobs, 50 breeding 
ewes and 4 breeding rams. we also currently have 12 ewe lambs which we will 
sell some of and 7 rams that we will also sell some of.
     The chickens will have to be reduced drastically as chicken feed is 
outrageous to the point we can not afford to keep them. The same with 
anything that eats mostly grain.
      We are fortunate to live in Southern Indiana where there is a good 
supply of good quality hay for the Winter and we have plenty of grass this 
year because we have had rain even in July and August when it is normally 
hotter and dryer than this year.
       Our Jacobs have sold very well this year also, but we have had some 
very nice lambs this year too. We have been very busy, but I have got to get 
some ewe lamb photos on our web site as all the ewes on there have now been 
sold. Some of the rams are still available. We have a couple of 4H rams left 
and some very nice 2H rams and one 4H ram lamb that I need to put on the web 
site.

Regards to All,
Carl & Judy
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To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14


> --Linda asked:
>>I'm curious as to who is downsizing, staying the same, or increasing
>>flock size.
>
>
> I am staying the same with Jacobs - 9 ewes and a ram.  I culled two 
> older/problem ewes this year but kept two lambs.  My overall numbers are 
> going up because I'm keeping two Icelandic ewe lambs and 1 ram lamb and 
> got another ewe in a trade - 2 rams and 9 ewes,  plus we have one 
> Jacob/Tunis ewe who my husband likes.
>
> I'm not doing well selling the registered Jacobs this year.  Two 
> registerable ewes and two rams are going for meat along with my crosses 
> later this week.
>
> I do have a nice new ram lamb and am looking forward to some pretty Jacobs 
> next year though.
>
> Luckily we got a great deal on hay at the local auction.  My husband 
> bought two loads at $100 a ton.  One batch was so/so but the other was 
> good and we got two more loads from the same farmer, but we paid him a 
> better price per bale.
>
>
>
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From farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com  Tue Aug 25 17:39:23 2009
From: farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com (Laura C Frazier)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:39:23 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] New Way to Advertise Jacobs
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Passing along this information about a new service the ALBC is  
offering owners of rare breeds:

New Classified Service for Rare Breeds and Rare Breed Products

(Pittsboro, NC) ? The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy (ALBC), a
national, nonprofit organization securing the future of agriculture
through the genetic conservation of endangered breeds of livestock and
poultry, announces the launch of a new online classified advertising
service for promoting rare breeds.

The new service, www.ALBCrarebreedclassifieds.org, allows the general
public to browse listings of rare breed livestock and poultry for
sale, rare breed products such as meats and wools and other items that
help secure the future of rare breeds. The site is directly geared
towards small farmers, breeders, producers, and conservationists, but
also serves those interested in biodiversity and sustainability.

?This is not just another online classified site, it is a critical
vehicle for the conservation of rare livestock and poultry breeds,?
said Charles Bassett, executive director of ALBC.

With the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)
estimating that the world loses an average of two domestic animal
breeds each week, this service comes at a pivotal time in the
evolution of our agricultural food system. In the past fifteen years
alone, the FAO has identified the extinction of 300 out of 6,000
breeds worldwide, with another 1,350 in danger of extinction.

Many livestock and poultry breeds are on the brink of extinction
because owners of these animals find it difficult to carve out a niche
for rare breed products in our highly industrialized market. The
newwww.ALBCrarebreedclassifieds.org will serve as a platform to help
breeders sell their animals and products in order to increase
population numbers.

Anyone may view and respond to ads; however, only ALBC members may
post classifieds on the site. ALBC membership is $30 per year and
includes bi-monthly newsletters, a Breeders and Products Directory,
free posting to the ALBC online classifieds, educational opportunities
and more.

Cheryl Fanning of Dogwood Hill Farm in Lamar, MO, shared, ?I had a
response to one of my ads the day after it was posted.  This is a
great tool for members and others.?

***

Classified Site Features:
? Fully searchable including an advanced search feature
? Personalized accounts for each poster featuring individualized
settings
? Easy navigation
? Photo uploads (free of charge)
? Featured listings
? Printer-friendly pages for printing classified ads
? Browsing filters
? Favorites list
? Location mapping

About ALBC:
The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy, or ALBC, is a nonprofit
membership organization working to protect over 170 breeds of
livestock and poultry from extinction. Included are donkeys, cattle,
goats, horses, sheep, pigs, rabbits, chickens, ducks, geese and
turkeys. Founded in 1977, ALBC is the pioneer organization in the U.S.
working to conserve historic breeds and genetic diversity in
livestock. ALBC?s mission is to ensure the future of agriculture
through genetic conservation and the promotion of endangered breeds of
livestock and poultry.

Why are breeds of livestock endangered?
Breeds of livestock and poultry are becoming endangered because
agriculture has changed. Modern food production favors the use of a
few highly specialized breeds selected for maximum output in
intensively controlled environments. Many traditional breeds do not
excel under these conditions, so have lost popularity.

Why is it important to conserve heritage breeds?
Agriculture, like all biological systems, depends on genetic diversity
to adapt and respond to an ever-changing environment. Genetic
diversity in domestic animals is expressed as distinct breeds, each
with different characteristics and uses. Traditional or heritage
breeds, retain essential attributes for survival and self-sufficiency
? fertility, foraging ability, longevity, maternal instincts, ability
to mate naturally and resistance to diseases and parasites. As
agriculture continues to develop and change, we need to be able to
draw on this genetic diversity for a broad range of uses and future
opportunities. Once lost, genetic diversity is gone forever.

For more information about ALBC or rare breeds, visit www.albc-usa.org.

Laura C Frazier
FarmGirl Arts
(336) 971-3834
Kernersville, NC
http://home.rr.com/farmgirlarts

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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Tue Aug 25 18:19:59 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:19:59 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] New Way to Advertise Jacobs
In-Reply-To: <E7985661-8E0A-4E0C-8869-95410B70E790@triad.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <4A94638F.6080902@windstream.net>

I'm not sure I should thank you for the link! I am so tempted by the 
Guinea Hogs in SC :-)
It sounds like a great service that ALBC is offering. BTW, just in case 
someone doesn't know this, JSBA members can be listed at jsba.org for 
free. There are some levels that are very reasonably priced, but free 
services include a listing in the breeders listings, a listing on the 
fiber for sale page (with one picture), and a listing on the member 
products page for finished products (lots of pictures allowed on this 
page).

Linda

Laura C Frazier wrote:
> Passing along this information about a new service the ALBC is 
> offering owners of rare breeds:
>
> New Classified Service for Rare Breeds and Rare Breed Products
>
> (Pittsboro, NC) ? The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy (ALBC), a
> national, nonprofit organization securing the future of agriculture
> through the genetic conservation of endangered breeds of livestock and
> poultry, announces the launch of a new online classified advertising
> service for promoting rare breeds.
>
> The new service, _www.ALBCrarebreedclassifieds.org_ 
> <http://www.ALBCrarebreedclassifieds.org/>,

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From voiceofelohim at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 12:58:40 2009
From: voiceofelohim at yahoo.com (Bill Wynne)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Jacob-list] We're growing
Message-ID: <909527.93277.qm@web112612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

We're new to the list.  

We just bought 3 (2 ewes and a ram) jacobs.  We actually would like to get 2 more.  We're near Cincinnati.  

Our 3 are real skittish. I finally got a ewe to eat out of my hand briefly the other day, after 8 weeks of having them here.

Regards,
Bill Wynne


      

From kenleighacres at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 30 13:07:02 2009
From: kenleighacres at yahoo.com (Shannon Phifer)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:07:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Jacob-list] We're staying the same
Message-ID: <848552.7824.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I meant to respond to Linda's question earlier, but I?wasn't sure where we stood!? This year has been crazy with late additions?and late lambs - we lambed in January, February, March, May, and July!? I wouldn't recommend this.? I just counted up how many ewes ended up lambing and it is the same we are breeding this?year - 31.? All of the ewes are staying?with the rams for 2 cycles and then we are?pulling?rams and no more ewes are going to be added :)? I want to go back to our normal lambing schedule!??I also learned that I like lambing in January/February.? Our weather is mild and the grass is lush and green when the lambs are ready to start eating.? The later lambs didn't grow as well as our earlier lambs.? We put?our breeding groups together on Friday and already have a few bred (we use?marking paint).? We are using 5 rams this year (which is an increase) and I am really excited about the lambs.? The rams are - Magic Moon Junior,
 Kenleigh's?Wrangler, Patchwork Abraham, Green Water Julian, and Kenleigh's Reno.? You can see pictures of?all of them on our blog - www.kenleighacres.wordpress.com 

I have enjoyed reading about what others are doing and I am very happy to see that others are staying the same or increasing.? ??
?
Shannon Phifer
Kenleigh Acres Farm
www.kenleigh-acres.com
That'll Do Photography
www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com

From farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com  Sun Aug 30 13:03:32 2009
From: farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com (Laura C Frazier)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:03:32 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Showing Jacobs
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To those of you who show or have shown Jacobs:
I would love to read any hints or experiences you may have about  
preparing for and showing Jacobs. I've had 7 years of experience with  
showing commercial/market lambs and sheep, but I've only been to one  
show that had fiber sheep including classes for Jacobs. I'm wondering  
about setting them up in the arena, "grooming", etc. I've seen  
pictures where the sheep were trimmed around the bottom of their  
fleece and seen them with absolutely no grooming.

Thanks for your help!!!
Laura

Laura C Frazier
FarmGirl Arts
(336) 971-3834
Kernersville, NC
http://home.rr.com/farmgirlarts

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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Sun Aug 30 18:41:47 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:41:47 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Great Pyrenees
Message-ID: <4A9B002B.1020508@windstream.net>

I received an email from woman in the Atlanta, GA area that is trying to 
place a neutered Pyr. As far as I know, he has not been exposed to 
livestock. Her family loves this dog, but he needs more room than they 
have. She states: "We would love to find someone who has room --- both 
in terms of land and hearts --- for a great dog."

If you are this area and are interested, please email for contact 
information.

Linda
-- 
Patchwork Farm Jacob Sheep <http://www.patchworkfibers.com>

From gbanderson at ucdavis.edu  Mon Aug 31 13:43:07 2009
From: gbanderson at ucdavis.edu (Gary Anderson)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:43:07 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Showing Jacobs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1251735318.28511.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
References: <mailman.9.1251735318.28511.jacob-list@jacobsheep.com>
Message-ID: <5B31951011BB493B8B648BD4F4C53B28@GBAndersonLT1>

As a novice showman, I had the same questions about showing Jacobs at this
year's JSBA Annual General Meeting (AGM).  Under different circumstances, I
would have asked Robin Lynde for advice; her sheep place well in shows in
her area.  Robin was one of the AGM sheep show judges, though, and I thought
it was not an appropriate time to ask her advice.  I knew from other
conversations that typically little fitting is done to Jacobs. I contacted a
former colleague whose children showed wool breeds (not Jacobs) in 4-H
shows.  She advised that we gently wash the sheep with warm water, no
shampoo, several days before the show.  'Gentle' meant taking care not to
felt the fleece.  She further advised to slather the wet fleece with cheap
hair conditioner. (I bought two jugs at the Dollar Store and used only one
for seven sheep.)  After a few minutes, gently rinse the conditioner from
the fleece and let the sheep air dry.  We also took the opportunity to clean
the ears, horns, and hooves, as one would do with any show animal.

Some of my observations (again as a novice) were as follows:  Remarkable
amounts of dirt and debris were removed from the fleeces by the gentle
washing.  Washing (without shampoo) did not markedly affect feel of the
fleeces by show time but made them look somewhat brighter.  The only
trimming we did was to a yearling ram that near his horns had a few tuffs of
wool missed by the shearer several months earlier.  Fitting of our Jacobs
was truly 'minimal' compared with what I had seen people do with market
lambs.  Our sheep got quite dirty during transport to the AGM, and we had to
clean surface dirt and manure from the sheep, as well as pick off bedding
that adhered, prior to walking into the show ring. I do not know how the
fitting we did compared with that done by other Jacob breeders.  I am
comfortable we did nothing ghastly that affected their presentation in the
ring.  Our sheep placed first in several classes.  I think it might have
been the Dollar Store conditioner.

Gary Anderson
Hillside Jacobs
Sparta, MI

 


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:07:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shannon Phifer <kenleighacres at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] We're staying the same
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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I meant to respond to Linda's question earlier, but I?wasn't sure where we
stood!? This year has been crazy with late additions?and late lambs - we
lambed in January, February, March, May, and July!? I wouldn't recommend
this.? I just counted up how many ewes ended up lambing and it is the same
we are breeding this?year - 31.? All of the ewes are staying?with the rams
for 2 cycles and then we are?pulling?rams and no more ewes are going to be
added :)? I want to go back to our normal lambing schedule!??I also learned
that I like lambing in January/February.? Our weather is mild and the grass
is lush and green when the lambs are ready to start eating.? The later lambs
didn't grow as well as our earlier lambs.? We put?our breeding groups
together on Friday and already have a few bred (we use?marking paint).? We
are using 5 rams this year (which is an increase) and I am really excited
about the lambs.? The rams are - Magic Moon Junior,
 Kenleigh's?Wrangler, Patchwork Abraham, Green Water Julian, and Kenleigh's
Reno.? You can see pictures of?all of them on our blog -
www.kenleighacres.wordpress.com 

I have enjoyed reading about what others are doing and I am very happy to
see that others are staying the same or increasing.? ??
?
Shannon Phifer
Kenleigh Acres Farm
www.kenleigh-acres.com
That'll Do Photography
www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:03:32 -0400
From: Laura C Frazier <farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] Showing Jacobs
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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To those of you who show or have shown Jacobs:
I would love to read any hints or experiences you may have about  
preparing for and showing Jacobs. I've had 7 years of experience with  
showing commercial/market lambs and sheep, but I've only been to one  
show that had fiber sheep including classes for Jacobs. I'm wondering  
about setting them up in the arena, "grooming", etc. I've seen  
pictures where the sheep were trimmed around the bottom of their  
fleece and seen them with absolutely no grooming.

Thanks for your help!!!
Laura

Laura C Frazier
FarmGirl Arts
(336) 971-3834
Kernersville, NC
http://home.rr.com/farmgirlarts

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:41:47 -0400
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>
Subject: [Jacob-list] Great Pyrenees
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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I received an email from woman in the Atlanta, GA area that is trying to 
place a neutered Pyr. As far as I know, he has not been exposed to 
livestock. Her family loves this dog, but he needs more room than they 
have. She states: "We would love to find someone who has room --- both 
in terms of land and hearts --- for a great dog."

If you are this area and are interested, please email for contact 
information.

Linda
-- 
Patchwork Farm Jacob Sheep <http://www.patchworkfibers.com>


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From gotothewhip at aol.com  Mon Aug 31 14:39:14 2009
From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:39:14 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Showing Jacobs
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	<5B31951011BB493B8B648BD4F4C53B28@GBAndersonLT1>
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We show quite a bit.. usualy 6+ shows per? year.? We do NOT wash our sheep at all.. We do coat them, and change coats every 3 weeks or so.? I am a big believer? that they should not be washed, as you loose the grease... and while grease is not essential for our fleeces, it adds luster and feel, and keeps the fleeces from drying out.



I trim any manure off the back end of our sheep, and any wet urine soaked areas on the ewes.



I do wash faces with a wet cloth, wipe off lower legs of any goo, and scrub up horns on those with a lot of dust. 



I do sometimes blow out the areas uncovered by coats with a livestock blower about 6 weeks prior to showing, as it will alter the character of the wool.? I? had to blow out a few later, for this weeks classes at State Fair, and am not happy with the results, but they had been outside during one of our crazy Colrado wind storms we had this year, and were dust balls! 



I trim feet about 1 week prior to the show, and make sure everyone is still halter broke.



We dust our sheep stalls with Sevin dust and wipe down with Novlasan liquid prior to putting the sheep in.. I dont like to bring anything home with us! 



Jennifer Tucker

Moose Mtn Ranch

Bennett, CO

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Anderson <gbanderson at ucdavis.edu>
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Showing Jacobs




As a novice showman, I had the same questions about showing Jacobs at this
year's JSBA Annual General Meeting (AGM).  Under different circumstances, I
would have asked Robin Lynde for advice; her sheep place well in shows in
her area.  Robin was one of the AGM sheep show judges, though, and I thought
it was not an appropriate time to ask her advice.  I knew from other
conversations that typically little fitting is done to Jacobs. I contacted a
former colleague whose children showed wool breeds (not Jacobs) in 4-H
shows.  She advised that we gently wash the sheep with warm water, no
shampoo, several days before the show.  'Gentle' meant taking care not to
felt the fleece.  She further advised to slather the wet fleece with cheap
hair conditioner. (I bought two jugs at the Dollar Store and used only one
for seven sheep.)  After a few minutes, gently rinse the conditioner from
the fleece and let the sheep air dry.  We also took the opportunity to clean
the ears, horns, and hooves, as one would do with any show animal.

Some of my observations (again as a novice) were as follows:  Remarkable
amounts of dirt and debris were removed from the fleeces by the gentle
washing.  Washing (without shampoo) did not markedly affect feel of the
fleeces by show time but made them look somewhat brighter.  The only
trimming we did was to a yearling ram that near his horns had a few tuffs of
wool missed by the shearer several months earlier.  Fitting of our Jacobs
was truly 'minimal' compared with what I had seen people do with market
lambs.  Our sheep got quite dirty during transport to the AGM, and we had to
clean surface dirt and manure from the sheep, as well as pick off bedding
that adhered, prior to walking into the show ring. I do not know how the
fitting we did compared with that done by other Jacob breeders.  I am
comfortable we did nothing ghastly that affected their presentation in the
ring.  Our sheep placed first in several classes.  I think it might have
been the Dollar Store conditioner.

Gary Anderson
Hillside Jacobs

Sparta, MI

 


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   1. We're staying the same (Shannon Phifer)
   2. Showing Jacobs (Laura C Frazier)
   3. Great Pyrenees (Linda)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:07:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shannon Phifer <kenleighacres at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] We're staying the same
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I meant to respond to Linda's question earlier, but I?wasn't sure where we
stood!? This year has been crazy with late additions?and late lambs - we
lambed in January, February, March, May, and July!? I wouldn't recommend
this.? I just counted up how many ewes ended up lambing and it is the same
we are breeding this?year - 31.? All of the ewes are staying?with the rams
for 2 cycles and then we are?pulling?rams and no more ewes are going to be
added :)? I want to go back to our normal lambing schedule!??I also learned
that I like lambing in January/February.? Our weather is mild and the grass
is lush and green when the lambs are ready to start eating.? The later lambs
didn't grow as well as our earlier lambs.? We put?our breeding groups
together on Friday and already have a few 
bred (we use?marking paint).? We
are using 5 rams this year (which is an increase) and I am really excited
about the lambs.? The rams are - Magic Moon Junior,
 Kenleigh's?Wrangler, Patchwork Abraham, Green Water Julian, and Kenleigh's
Reno.? You can see pictures of?all of them on our blog -
www.kenleighacres.wordpress.com 

I have enjoyed reading about what others are doing and I am very happy to
see that others are staying the same or increasing.? ??
?
Shannon Phifer
Kenleigh Acres Farm
www.kenleigh-acres.com
That'll Do Photography
www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com


------------------------------

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:03:32 -0400
From: Laura C Frazier <farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] Showing Jacobs
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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To those of you who show or have shown Jacobs:
I would love to read any hints or experiences you may have about  
preparing for and showing Jacobs. I've had 7 years of experience with  
showing commercial/market lambs and sheep, but I've only been to one  
show that had fiber sheep including classes for Jacobs. I'm wondering  
about setting them up in the arena, "grooming", etc. I've seen  
pictures where the sheep were trimmed around the bottom of their  
fleece and seen them with absolutely no grooming.

Thanks for your help!!!
Laura

Laura C Frazier
FarmGirl Arts
(336) 971-3834
Kernersville, NC
http://home.rr.com/farmgirlarts

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:41:47 -0400
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>
Subject: [Jacob-list] Great Pyrenees
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I received an email f
rom woman in the Atlanta, GA area that is trying to 
place a neutered Pyr. As far as I know, he has not been exposed to 
livestock. Her family loves this dog, but he needs more room than they 
have. She states: "We would love to find someone who has room --- both 
in terms of land and hearts --- for a great dog."

If you are this area and are interested, please email for contact 
information.

Linda
-- 
Patchwork Farm Jacob Sheep <http://www.patchworkfibers.com>


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From patchworkfibers at windstream.net  Mon Aug 31 19:06:02 2009
From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:06:02 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Showing Jacobs
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I sure don't know anything about fitting for shows!
I have seen coated Jacobs at shows and am interested in you changing the 
coats that often. The Jacobs I've seen at shows that had been coated 
seemed to have very "flat" fleeces. Is that the reason for changing the 
coats?

Linda


gotothewhip at aol.com wrote:
>
> We show quite a bit.. usualy 6+ shows per  year.  We do NOT wash our 
> sheep at all.. We do coat them, and change coats every 3 weeks or so.  
> I am a big believer  that they should not be washed, as you loose the 
> grease... and while grease is not essential for our fleeces, it adds 
> luster and feel, and keeps the fleeces from drying out.
>  
> I trim any manure off the back end of our sheep, and any wet urine 
> soaked areas on the ewes.
>  
> I do wash faces with a wet cloth, wipe off lower legs of any goo, and 
> scrub up horns on those with a lot of dust.
>  
> I do sometimes blow out the areas uncovered by coats with a livestock 
> blower about 6 weeks prior to showing, as it will alter the character 
> of the wool.  I  had to blow out a few later, for this weeks classes 
> at State Fair, and am not happy with the results, but they had been 
> outside during one of our crazy Colrado wind storms we had this year, 
> and were dust balls!
>  
> I trim feet about 1 week prior to the show, and make sure everyone is 
> still halter broke.
>  
> We dust our sheep stalls with Sevin dust and wipe down with Novlasan 
> liquid prior to putting the sheep in.. I dont like to bring anything 
> home with us!
>  
> Jennifer Tucker
> Moose Mtn Ranch
> Bennett, CO
>

-- 
Patchwork Farm Jacob Sheep <http://www.patchworkfibers.com>
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From gotothewhip at aol.com  Mon Aug 31 20:38:19 2009
From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Jacob-list] Showing Jacobs
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We dont like that packed in look!? We "air out" or sheep.. Usually give them a day or so without a coat once a month or more, depending if they need a size change.? We have our coats a bit looser than most,? and have to put them back on more oftne than the tighter fitting coats... But I just dont like that packed look.. I think it takes away from the nice open fleece appearance that Jacobs have..... So Yes, it is a LOT of work (we had 20 head coated last year!)? ESPECIALLY the rams.. But It seems to make a diffrence in the fleece to me.



The Judge at Estes was in love with my lilac? Moose Mtn Lilly.? She was Grand ewe.... She had been coated, and only the very tips of her fleece showed it.? She had more dust in her than some of the shep that are tighter coated, but she had spring and feel to her... The jusdge said he wanted to take a nap on her!?? and that was a TOUGH show with a nice bunch of Gotland Sheep out of California and several other breeds.... with some classes haveing 12+ animals in it!



Jennifer Tucker

Moose Mtn Ranch


-----Original Message-----
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>
To: gotothewhip at aol.com
Cc: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Showing Jacobs



I sure don't know anything about fitting for shows!
I have seen coated Jacobs at shows and am interested in you changing the coats that often. The Jacobs I've seen at shows that had been coated seemed to have very "flat" fleeces. Is that the reason for changing the coats?

Linda


gotothewhip at aol.com wrote: 


We show quite a bit.. usualy 6+ shows per? year.? We do NOT wash our sheep at all.. We do coat them, and change coats every 3 weeks or so.? I am a big believer? that they should not be washed, as you loose the grease... and while grease is not essential for our fleeces, it adds luster and feel, and keeps the fleeces from drying out.

?

I trim any manure off the back end of our sheep, and any wet urine soaked areas on the ewes.

?

I do wash faces with a wet cloth, wipe off lower legs of any goo, and scrub up horns on those with a lot of dust. 

?

I do sometimes blow out the areas uncovered by coats with a livestock blower about 6 weeks prior to showing, as it will alter the character of the wool.? I? had to blow out a few later, for this weeks classes at State Fair, and am not happy with the results, but they had been outside during one of our crazy Colrado wind storms we had this year, and were dust balls! 

?

I trim feet about 1 week prior to the show, and make sure everyone is still halter broke.

?

We dust our sheep stalls with Sevin dust and wipe down with Novlasan liquid prior to putting the sheep in.. I dont like to bring anything home with us! 

?

Jennifer Tucker

Moose Mtn Ranch

Bennett, CO





-- 
Patchwork Farm Jacob Sheep 



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