From rlynde at onramp113.org Mon Apr 6 15:56:02 2009 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:56:02 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] CA Jacobs could get ride to MD Message-ID: <7CD1DFE5219C455E95DB6FE05CC583C2@your4dacd0ea75> Is anyone interested in getting some lambs from CA? I remembered that a friend who shows her Merinos and Romneys in Maryland every year offered once to take some of mine along. She doesn't have a lot of room but could take a couple of lambs if I have buyers. I would have to get them to her by April 22. That's only 2 weeks away! I lambed later than usual this year, but some of the first ones born would be 2 months old by then. Check out my website to see photos of lambs. http://www.meridianjacobs.com/exec/eSheep.asp?categoryID=Ewe%20Lambs I was trying to update photos this morning but my computer is running so slowly it was taking too long to upload good photos. I'll try again later. Please contact me soon if you're interested--I can send some photos by e-mail as well. Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patchworkfibers at windstream.net Mon Apr 6 16:11:56 2009 From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:11:56 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] address change Message-ID: <49DA620C.8020605@windstream.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stcroft at ptd.net Mon Apr 6 18:44:05 2009 From: stcroft at ptd.net (Susan J Martin) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:44:05 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Worming question........ Message-ID: I have Ivomec injectable 1% --- what is the dosage for sheep if given orally? Is it more/less/same effectiveness orally? Thanks. Sue Stonecroft -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bidewee at aol.com Thu Apr 9 15:09:26 2009 From: bidewee at aol.com (BIDE WEE) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:09:26 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lamb photos and a combo lamb.... Message-ID: <6d4178cb.506e.4c4a.87ca.106b9ebbe894@aol.com> Greetings, We're finished lambing here and lamb photos are now available on our website at www.bideaweefarm.com/2009JacobLambs.htm We got one really interesting Jacob ewe lamb this year who has both grey and black spots. When she was first born we thought that dried afterbirth was making some of her black wool look grey but once we saw her in the daylight we realized she actually had both black and grey spots. The grey spots have faded some since birth. You can find photos of her at www.bideaweefarm.com/Colors.htm. We've never seen this before in our flock. Have any of you? Karen bide a wee farm Newberg, Oregon www.bideaweefarm.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlynde at onramp113.org Thu Apr 9 17:07:48 2009 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:07:48 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lamb photos and a combo lamb.... References: <6d4178cb.506e.4c4a.87ca.106b9ebbe894@aol.com> Message-ID: <54BF8BFA86EB4253A85D8BF88A4F6E38@your4dacd0ea75> Wow! I think she looks great. Are you going to keep her? What does the inspector of the house say? Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BIDE WEE To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] Lamb photos and a combo lamb.... Greetings, We're finished lambing here and lamb photos are now available on our website at www.bideaweefarm.com/2009JacobLambs.htm We got one really interesting Jacob ewe lamb this year who has both grey and black spots. When she was first born we thought that dried afterbirth was making some of her black wool look grey but once we saw her in the daylight we realized she actually had both black and grey spots. The grey spots have faded some since birth. You can find photos of her at www.bideaweefarm.com/Colors.htm. We've never seen this before in our flock. Have any of you? Karen bide a wee farm Newberg, Oregon www.bideaweefarm.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Save money by eating out! Find great dining coupons in your area. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bidewee at aol.com Thu Apr 9 17:44:13 2009 From: bidewee at aol.com (BIDE WEE) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:44:13 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lamb photos and a combo lamb.... In-Reply-To: <54BF8BFA86EB4253A85D8BF88A4F6E38@your4dacd0ea75> References: <6d4178cb.506e.4c4a.87ca.106b9ebbe894@aol.com>, <54BF8BFA86EB4253A85D8BF88A4F6E38@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: In a message dated 04/09/09 14:09:44 Pacific Daylight Time, rlynde at onramp113.org writes: Wow! I think she looks great. Are you going to keep her? What does the inspector of the house say? Robin Lynde Isn't she interesting! I think we will keep her so we can see if she'll throw it. No helpful ideas from Doug on her color. I had Ingrid Painter and Sandy Van Liew look at her too and neither of them recalled seeing two colors on one sheep. K. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BISCHOW at aol.com Fri Apr 10 16:04:35 2009 From: BISCHOW at aol.com (BISCHOW at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:04:35 EDT Subject: [Jacob-list] 2 Color lamb Message-ID: What colors are the parents? Louise **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814837x1201410725/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fourhornfarm at verizon.net Fri Apr 10 17:32:17 2009 From: fourhornfarm at verizon.net (fourhornfarm) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:32:17 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lamb photos and a combo lamb.... References: <6d4178cb.506e.4c4a.87ca.106b9ebbe894@aol.com> Message-ID: Karen, I ran a search on the pedigrees of sire and dam and since there are no lilacs in the dam's pedigree the lilac spots must have come from the sire's side, although you would think the dam would have to be a lilac carrier also for two black and white Jacobs to produce a lamb with any lilac spots. It will be quite interesting to see what she looks like as she ages and especially right after her first shearing next Spring. I hope you will keep us all posted with pictures. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: BIDE WEE To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] Lamb photos and a combo lamb.... Greetings, We're finished lambing here and lamb photos are now available on our website at www.bideaweefarm.com/2009JacobLambs.htm We got one really interesting Jacob ewe lamb this year who has both grey and black spots. When she was first born we thought that dried afterbirth was making some of her black wool look grey but once we saw her in the daylight we realized she actually had both black and grey spots. The grey spots have faded some since birth. You can find photos of her at www.bideaweefarm.com/Colors.htm. We've never seen this before in our flock. Have any of you? Karen bide a wee farm Newberg, Oregon www.bideaweefarm.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Save money by eating out! Find great dining coupons in your area. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at brenalanfarm.com Fri Apr 10 21:27:50 2009 From: info at brenalanfarm.com (Brenalan Farm) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:27:50 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] gray spotted sheep Message-ID: I wrote to Karen off-list, but had some ideas for everyone to kick around. First off- I called Shannon in a panic last year because one of my lambs had a gray spot! The dam has a circle around her eye but doesn't appear to be a lilac. Curiously, the ram was from Bideawee, not a lilac, and he didn't throw any lilac lambs in 2 years here. Then I got a ewe over the summer from different lines that had a gray spot on her hind end. Both these sheep retain their gray spots after shearing and have black spots exposed to the same sunshine (or lack of it here in the northWET.) Anyway, it just seems to me that this has to be something related to the "blue" colors in dogs and cats. And that seems to be a "dilution" gene. What I read is that the gene affects dispersal of pigment in the fiber, and the clear areas are more reflective and create the blue/ lilac (in cats), and "gray". This is differentiated from "salt and pepper" gray that is actually black and white fibers intermixed. I plan to grab a sample from the spots over the wknd and see if my ancient microscope can see that sort of pattern. Anyway, this link explains that there are different genes for eumelanin (black, brown), a dilution gene, and a dilution modifier gene. If the sheep work like cats, and the genes work like this site suggests, the sheep with gray spots would have to have double recessives in both dilution and dilution modifier genes. If this is a new trend popping up (is it?), how do we all feel about it? Just in terms of color and landscaping, I think it is nice... but is it a sign that selective breeding is eliciting new traits? http://www.messybeast.com/gene-symbols.htm Scroll down to near the bottom... 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If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v705/gotothewhip/?action=view¤t=GraySpot.jpg&evt=user_media_share -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nlgrose at yadtel.net Sat Apr 11 06:31:04 2009 From: nlgrose at yadtel.net (Neal and Louise Grose) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 06:31:04 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] gray spotted sheep References: Message-ID: <044E36FEAD664AA38CB5C948FE929835@HAL2> I am going to go out on a limb here and say that not everything is genetic-- as in: passed on through the gametes from one generation to next. These spots do not look like lilac or graying. Spotting pops up rather late in embryonic development. There are not enough genes to determine which of the millions of skin cells exhibit which color. Much of it is random but based on a few over-all pattern markers. Mutations can occur between initiation of differentiation of the embryo and the time the spots are actually fixed on the surface of the skin. There is a long chain of events that result in something that looks like black: precursor > precursor > ... > precursor > eumelanin . Each of these requires a gene to pass the process along. If you knock out any of these steps, you get weird stuff. I think that this is what has happened in these cases. I have seen this as either grey or reddish spots on Holstein cows. This is seldom passed to the next generation because the mutation did not occur in the gametes that produce sperm or egg cells. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: Brenalan Farm To: Jacob List Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] gray spotted sheep I wrote to Karen off-list, but had some ideas for everyone to kick around. First off- I called Shannon in a panic last year because one of my lambs had a gray spot! The dam has a circle around her eye but doesn't appear to be a lilac. Curiously, the ram was from Bideawee, not a lilac, and he didn't throw any lilac lambs in 2 years here. Then I got a ewe over the summer from different lines that had a gray spot on her hind end. Both these sheep retain their gray spots after shearing and have black spots exposed to the same sunshine (or lack of it here in the northWET.) Anyway, it just seems to me that this has to be something related to the "blue" colors in dogs and cats. And that seems to be a "dilution" gene. What I read is that the gene affects dispersal of pigment in the fiber, and the clear areas are more reflective and create the blue/ lilac (in cats), and "gray". This is differentiated from "salt and pepper" gray that is actually black and white fibers intermixed. I plan to grab a sample from the spots over the wknd and see if my ancient microscope can see that sort of pattern. Anyway, this link explains that there are different genes for eumelanin (black, brown), a dilution gene, and a dilution modifier gene. If the sheep work like cats, and the genes work like this site suggests, the sheep with gray spots would have to have double recessives in both dilution and dilution modifier genes. If this is a new trend popping up (is it?), how do we all feel about it? Just in terms of color and landscaping, I think it is nice... but is it a sign that selective breeding is eliciting new traits? http://www.messybeast.com/gene-symbols.htm Scroll down to near the bottom... Brenda ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think the lamb needs a little brown in it to be fully merle. I also have a Cotswold/Jacob cross this year (not on purpose) but this also makes a nice fleece cross, very black at this time with some white markings. And the lambs seem to have the nature of the cotswold (already very friendly and calm) not the nature of their mother who is rather high strung. Thanks for sharing those pictures and the information has been very interesting. Elizabeth www.hobbyknobfarm.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patchworkfibers at windstream.net Sun Apr 12 17:48:49 2009 From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:48:49 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Color Change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49E261C1.4020408@windstream.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After several days of it not standing, we took it to a large animal vet and he said it appeared to be healthy in spite of its not standing. He gave it a selinium and vitamin injection which did not seem to help. To make a long story shorter, we feed it for a month and it still would not stand. The vet euthanized it at my request and I took it to the University of Kentucky animal lab for testing. They said the lamb had a copper deficiency. Go figure. I think that it had brain damage due to the cold and wet birth but guess I will never know. The ewe has since given birth to a healthy lamb and it was on its feet withing 30 minutes. Gene _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlynde at onramp113.org Sun Apr 12 22:20:14 2009 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:20:14 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] one spot left for lamb from CA to MD and AGM Message-ID: <753BD831188D4DDABFE4C5DCF22E24F0@your4dacd0ea75> A friend of mine is driving to MSWF and will transport a couple of lambs for me. There is room for one more. Royal generously offered to take a lamb to AGM if it was delivered to MD. I have 86 lambs, although most will be too young to wean by the travel date of 4/22. If you're interested in the older lambs take a look at my website. I can send more photos. The transportation cost is only $75 from CA to MD. http://www.meridianjacobs.com/exec/eSheep.asp?categoryID=Ewe%20Lambs Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BISCHOW at aol.com Mon Apr 13 13:45:27 2009 From: BISCHOW at aol.com (BISCHOW at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:45:27 EDT Subject: [Jacob-list] Weak lamb Message-ID: We had a lamb that was pretty cold when we found it. Brought her in, warmed her up and fed her. She seemed to be doing better--she was nursing, pooping, peeing and standing. Then she went down hill FAST. Our vets really thought it had something to do with the fact that milk replacers have antibiotics added--we were using Land o Lakes and it did not LIST any antibiotic. The antibiotics do not allow proper absorbtion of the nutients and basically the lamb starves. They recommended using goat milk with a little cream and KaroSyrup added, along with some Nutrical. Hopefully we won't have a next time. Louise **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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All but the newest two can now be seen at: http://www.patchworkfibers.com/PerfectSpot2009Lambs.html The newest arrivals will be added there in a few days, and then the progress of all our sale lambs can be followed as they appear on our sale page: http://www.patchworkfibers.com/PerfectSpotForSale.html Cathy Robinson Perfect Spot Farm http://www.patchworkfibers.com/perfectspotfarm.html From runzicker at verizon.net Mon Apr 13 22:04:59 2009 From: runzicker at verizon.net (R. Unzicker) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:04:59 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] web ssite Message-ID: <7A1D00622CF44409BE38100C375F11F7@homepc> Thanks to Linda Bjarkman, our web sit is not updated. Most changes are on the ewe lamb and ram lamb pages. You can check us out at www.ivybrookmeadow.com. We will be going to AGM and can transport sheep both ways from southeastern PA. Royal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She is alert and mobile and eating, and stays with the flock unless we have some pellets for her, just spending more time resting, and under her fleece, she's not holding her weight like before. Not the most cheerful of topics but I'd like some ideas and some support as we are starting to think seriously about intervening with our dear and oldest ewe. Lasell J Bartlett Fine Fettle Farm Newbury VT Jacob lambs for sale. (All of our ewes are decendents from our original Lasseau Jacob ewes and ram.) From RNS1260 at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 07:43:52 2009 From: RNS1260 at comcast.net (RNS1260 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Jacob-list] Lambs at Rise 'N' Shine Farm Message-ID: <272909765.1744271239709432976.JavaMail.root@sz0160a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> We bred just a few hand selected ewes this year at Rise 'N' Shine Farm. Painted Rock Kirk was the sire and we are quite pleased with?the results. http://www.risenshinefarm.com/lambsforsale.html Thank you for taking a peek, Cheryl & Daisey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agf777 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 13 13:15:25 2009 From: agf777 at earthlink.net (Steve and Trish Barrows) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:15:25 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] some ideas? References: Message-ID: <8EE0B12886AB471A8E439D79AA12E183@OfficeDesktop> We, too, would be interested in others ideas on this topic, as our flock matriarch (about 10 years old) has not produced enough milk for her twins this year and we may not bread her again. Thanks! Steve and Trish Barrows, Amazing Grace Farm in central NYS. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lasell J. Bartlett" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:32 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] some ideas? > I'd like to hear what folks do with an elderly, well-loved ewe -- what > measures (and specifics would be helpful) you go through to keep her > alive and comfortable, what ways you would 'help her along' and how you > personally judge 'when' to do it if she's not doing so well... She is > alert and mobile and eating, and stays with the flock unless we have some > pellets for her, just spending more time resting, and under her fleece, > she's not holding her weight like before. > > Not the most cheerful of topics but I'd like some ideas and some support > as we are starting to think seriously about intervening with our dear and > oldest ewe. > > Lasell J Bartlett > Fine Fettle Farm > Newbury VT > > Jacob lambs for sale. (All of our ewes are decendents from our original > Lasseau Jacob ewes and ram.) > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From fourhornfarm at verizon.net Tue Apr 14 10:55:09 2009 From: fourhornfarm at verizon.net (fourhornfarm) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:55:09 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] some ideas? References: Message-ID: Lasell, I would check her teeth to see what condition they are in. She may not be able to bite off grass or chew hay well. If it is her teeth you could give her a little extra grain or a finer grass hay or chopped hay to eat. Of course all of this requires extra time so you would have to decide if you have the time or what her quality of life is. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lasell J. Bartlett" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:32 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] some ideas? > I'd like to hear what folks do with an elderly, well-loved ewe -- what > measures (and specifics would be helpful) you go through to keep her > alive and comfortable, what ways you would 'help her along' and how you > personally judge 'when' to do it if she's not doing so well... She is > alert and mobile and eating, and stays with the flock unless we have some > pellets for her, just spending more time resting, and under her fleece, > she's not holding her weight like before. > > Not the most cheerful of topics but I'd like some ideas and some support > as we are starting to think seriously about intervening with our dear and > oldest ewe. > > Lasell J Bartlett > Fine Fettle Farm > Newbury VT > > Jacob lambs for sale. (All of our ewes are decendents from our original > Lasseau Jacob ewes and ram.) > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From gotothewhip at aol.com Tue Apr 14 11:27:47 2009 From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:27:47 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Some Ideas? Message-ID: <8CB8B2CB2F547FD-804-3E0@webmail-de05.sysops.aol.com> I have 2 "granny's"? a 17yo and a 15yo.? They live together, and get lots of extras.? I give them a glucosamine/Condrotin/MSM supplement to help them stay comfy, but they get extra feed since they have little to no teeth.? They also keep their fleeces until may instead of being sheared with the bunch in Feb.? They are both in good shape and hold their weight well.? 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We also feed digestive biscuits to the old ladies as a high-cal treat. On this regime they do very well until their back teeth start to go. Then they loose weight rapidly and you have to take the decision - to shoot them, to let the slaughterman shoot them, to get in the vet to euthanase them or to let them 'slip away'. The latter sounds the most preferable but in fact only a few will do this comfortably so you are back to the other options. This is ok when it's just one or two old ewes - most places can carry a couple of old biddies without much problem and we feel they have earned a gentle end. However, you could find yourselves in the position in which we arrived recently, with twelve such venerable old ladies whose only contribution to their keep was their fleeces. Three are too decrepit to do anything but enjoy the sunshine for the summer, but the rest, after a year to get over their last lambing, were all in good condition so we took the awful decison to send them for slaughter to make sausages. They were of course all old friends and each was special, so the decision has been difficult, but with our own health problems we realised we had to do something urgently as we were sometimes struggling to give the care necessary to the younger breeding stock, because the older ones needed more than a fair share of the attention. So some have gone and some are waiting to go. The sausages so far have been delicious (breakfast type). To have had them all shot and wasted like so much garbage was not an option. Our local slaughterhouse is good and they took extra care when they heard how old the ewes were - I think the slaughtermen were a bit upset too ! If we were allowed to slaughter our stock at home in this country then we would have preferred that. The way we feel now is that it is important not to let the sheep get too thin and to lose their interest in life before you take the decision. The ones we have sent for slaughter were all full of beans and skipping around the place, even the oldest at 13. Without the burden of annual lambing they can maintain themselves in good condition for quite some time with no front teeth at all. On the other hand it would be a shame to kill off your good ewes just because they have reached a certain age. For a long-lived breed, we should be breeding from older ewes who have kept their teeth, condition and conformation. We have just had a healthy ewe lamb tonight from a 14 year old ewe - she is a Hebridean, but the breed is very similar to the Jacob. She still has all her teeth and has been frisky and very excited throughout her pregnancy, and is now over the moon with her new daughter - who we shall keep and hope she is as long-lived as her dam. As responsible stock keepers we all know we have to take the difficult decisions along with the routine, and to take them with the welfare of the animals in mind. I think that once you begin to wonder if the time has come, then it probably has. Congrats to all on your lovely lambs Juliet in Scotland UK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We, too, would be interested in others ideas on this topic, as our flock matriarch (about 10 years old) has not produced enough milk for her twins this year and we may not bread her again. Thanks! Steve and Trish Barrows, Amazing Grace Farm in central NYS. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lasell J. Bartlett" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:32 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] some ideas? > I'd like to hear what folks do with an elderly, well-loved ewe -- what > measures (and specifics would be helpful) you go through to keep her > alive and comfortable, what ways you would 'help her along' and how you > personally judge 'when' to do it if she's not doing so well... She is > alert and mobile and eating, and stays with the flock unless we have some > pellets for her, just spending more time resting, and under her fleece, > she's not holding her weight like before. > > Not the most cheerful of topics but I'd like some ideas and some support > as we are starting to think seriously about intervening with our dear and > oldest ewe. > > Lasell J Bartlett > Fine Fettle Farm > Newbury VT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perfectspot at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 14 21:36:15 2009 From: perfectspot at bellsouth.net (Cathy Robinson) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:36:15 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] some ideas? In-Reply-To: References: <8EE0B12886AB471A8E439D79AA12E183@OfficeDesktop> Message-ID: <49E53A0F.7010701@bellsouth.net> Some of you know that we have a ewe here (still) that is now approaching her mid-20's. Yakob-Tson Lady Jane was bred by Edd Bissell in the mid-1980's and we actually have a photo of her as a young ewe (about 2 years of age) taken in 1986-87. We have owned her since late 1998, and at that time she was already an "old" ewe, entering her teens. She was supposedly retired at that point, but she had lambs for us each year until 2002, after which we retired her. Her 2002 daughter remains here, as does a granddaughter and this year a great-granddaughter was born! In the past few years, Jane has become much thinner, more arthritic, more frail, and has lost some teeth. Her fleece is isn't much any more. She still handles a grain mix fairly well as long as there is no whole corn in it, but can no longer compete at the feeding troughs with the others, as she eats much slower now. We let her into the barn each evening before the others are fed. She is always standing there waiting for the gate to open so that she can go to the head of the line! We keep a bale of compressed alfalfa on hand now (mostly just for her) and when she finishes her grain, she moves over and grazes from the alfalfa block for as long as it takes to feed and water the remainder of the sheep. Each winter or summer we wonder if she will make it through the seasonal extremes; each spring the shearer is amazed to find her still here! Each year he has us take a photo of her and then he features her in some of his sheep talks throughout the year as the oldest sheep he has seen and sheared! We think she still enjoys life and we still marvel at her strength and fortitude. She still enjoys basking in the sun, lying with the lambs and late last fall there were at least 3 separate instances where she spent most of the day flirting with the rams across the fence! One day we will have to let her go but she hasn't told us that it is time yet. Cathy Perfect Spot Farm http://www.patchworkfibers.com/perfectspotfarm.html > The way we feel now is that it is important not to let the sheep get > too thin and to lose their interest in life before you take the > decision. The ones we have sent for slaughter were all full of beans > and skipping around the place, even the oldest at 13. Without the > burden of annual lambing they can maintain themselves in good > condition for quite some time with no front teeth at all. > On the other hand it would be a shame to kill off your good ewes just > because they have reached a certain age. For a long-lived breed, we > should be breeding from older ewes who have kept their teeth, > condition and conformation. We have just had a healthy ewe lamb > tonight from a 14 year old ewe - she is a Hebridean, but the breed is > very similar to the Jacob. She still has all her teeth and has been > frisky and very excited throughout her pregnancy, and is now over the > moon with her new daughter - who we shall keep and hope she is as > long-lived as her dam. > > As responsible stock keepers we all know we have to take the difficult > decisions along with the routine, and to take them with the welfare of > the animals in mind. I think that once you begin to wonder if the > time has come, then it probably has. > > Congrats to all on your lovely lambs > > Juliet in Scotland UK > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schmick54 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 22:56:35 2009 From: schmick54 at aol.com (schmick54 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] some ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB8B8CEC7B9B2A-624-181F@FWM-D04.sysops.aol.com> We have a 10 year old whose teeth were loose. The Vet pulled out all her front bottom teeth. She said that because they were so loose, all kinds of bacteria could infect her mouth. Since she is a hay eater, she doesn't need her front teeth. She chews hay just as well and can enjoy her grain as well. All her other teeth were in excellent shape. Mick -----Original Message----- From: fourhornfarm To: Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com; Lasell J. Bartlett Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 8:55 am Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] some ideas? Lasell,? ? ? I would check her teeth to see what condition they are in. She may not be able to bite off grass or chew hay well. If it is her teeth you could give her a little extra grain or a finer grass hay or chopped hay to eat. Of course all of this requires extra time so you would have to decide if you have the time or what her quality of life is.? ? Carl? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lasell J. Bartlett" ? To: ? Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:32 AM? Subject: [Jacob-list] some ideas?? ? > I'd like to hear what folks do with an elderly, well-loved ewe -- what > measures (and specifics would be helpful) you go through to keep her > alive and comfortable, what ways you would 'help her along' and how you > personally judge 'when' to do it if she's not doing so well... She is > alert and mobile and eating, and stays with the flock unless we have some > pellets for her, just spending more time resting, and under her fleece, > she's not holding her weight like before.? >? > Not the most cheerful of topics but I'd like some ideas and some support > as we are starting to think seriously about intervening with our dear and > oldest ewe.? >? > Lasell J Bartlett? > Fine Fettle Farm? > Newbury VT? >? > Jacob lambs for sale. (All of our ewes are decendents from our original > Lasseau Jacob ewes and ram.)? >? > _______________________________________________? > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks? > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com? > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list? > ? _______________________________________________? Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks? Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com? http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snielsen at orednet.org Wed Apr 15 00:37:01 2009 From: snielsen at orednet.org (snielsen at orednet.org) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] some ideas? In-Reply-To: References: <8EE0B12886AB471A8E439D79AA12E183@OfficeDesktop> Message-ID: <33963.69.54.141.32.1239770221.squirrel@shemp.dialoregon.net> On Tue, April 14, 2009 3:57 pm, G & J Johnston said: > > I think that once you begin to wonder if the time has > come, then it probably has. Very lovingly put, dear. Susan -- See our farm blog at http://skepweaver.wordpress.com/ -- Peace also takes courage. From RNS1260 at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 09:00:54 2009 From: RNS1260 at comcast.net (RNS1260 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Jacob-list] Breeding Elderly Ewes Message-ID: <1563243980.2280451239800454076.JavaMail.root@sz0160a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Fellow Shepherds & Shepherdesses, At what age do you feel a ewe is too old to breed? Do you just look at the individual ewe and their over all?condition? Thank you, Cheryl Rise 'N' Shine Farm www.risenshinefarm.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hettick1 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 14:32:03 2009 From: hettick1 at yahoo.com (Heather Hettick) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] older ewes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <480741.48610.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> This is a helpful discussion to me as I have a limited space for my flock and have three "problem" ewes I'm seriously considering culling. Magnolia is only 7, but doesn't keep weigh on well and looks miserable all the time and gets a wool break from lambing every year. She raises her lambs well, but at her own expense. Oddly enough her half sister/aunt Hazel is one of my most thrifty sheep. Thistle is nine but has a bad udder on one side and can't really handle more than one lamb at a time. She seems content though and keeps weight on better than Magnolia. I feel bad sending her to market or making her into food for the dogs, but she has triplets and twins pretty reliably and I can't deal with bottle lambs and a full time job very well. I'll feel bad sending Thistle, but she may go if I need the space. I'd rather find her a home where she can have help with her lambs. Flopsy is one of my favorites for fleece and horns but had mastitis this year and last. She lost one lamb last year and refused to feed one of them this year. I"ll probalby give her one more chance, but I"m keeping her daughter this year and she may go next year if she continues to have problems. I really hate culling, but sometimes it has to be done to make way for the others. I don't have a place to keep non breeding ewes and my pasture is small. Heather Hettick Moonstruck Farm Creston, OH From aztreaz at earthlink.net Thu Apr 16 02:15:01 2009 From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:15:01 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Breeding elderly ewes Message-ID: <410-2200944166151937@earthlink.net> --Previous Message-- >At what age do you feel a ewe is too old to breed? Do you just look at the individual ewe and their over all?condition? >Thank you, >Cheryl ======== With us it depends on the health of the ewe. One ewe was too old at age 7. She was having some minor health problems and the next year most of her front teeth were loose. I stopped having her bred. I still have her because she was one of my first ewes and now I am too attached to the four old gals to get rid of them. I have another old ewe that gave birth last year to twins when she was 12 years old. I didn't want to have her bred but she accidently got pregnant when she jumped into the ram/wethers paddock area. She was originally in the pasture and saw me putting out feed in the ewe area. She knew that the shortest distance to the food is a straight line, so she tried to cut through the boy's area. I tried to get her out fast, but I wasn't fast enough, 5 months later she had twins. She probably is healthy enough to continue breeding, but there is no need and the risks are greater; so she is retired (unless she jumps in the ram's pen again).. Cathy Moscow, Idaho From aztreaz at earthlink.net Thu Apr 16 02:41:18 2009 From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:41:18 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] some ideas? Message-ID: <410-22009441664118671@earthlink.net> >On Tue, April 14, 2009 3:57 pm, G & J Johnston said: > >> I think that once you begin to wonder if the time has > >come, then it probably has. > >Very lovingly put, dear. >Susan ========= Quite true. One sign that an elderly sheep is near the end is the changes in the fleece; actually, it is the lack of fleece. Last year we sheared our 13-yr-old ram and I wish we hadn't. Through last summer I noticed that the fleece wasn't growing in very thick and by the time the temperatures dropped in the fall he had a thin wool coat and he was getting cold at night. Before we could put him down, he died during the night. Same thing with very old dogs. Sometimes they are shaved down for the summer heat and the coat grows back thin and the hair is fine and wispy, some spots are almost bald. We now have an old ewe with some missing teeth that we are debating about getting sheared. She had a rough time through a couple of very cold spells this last winter. If we shear, I don't think her fleece will grow back in thick for this coming winter cold so we probably won't shear her this spring. So, if the above saying is true, then we are "wondering if the time has come" which means "it probably has". Cathy Moscow, Idaho From patchworkfibers at windstream.net Thu Apr 16 14:45:29 2009 From: patchworkfibers at windstream.net (Linda) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:45:29 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Georgia to Maryland Message-ID: <49E77CC9.30003@windstream.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We flt as responsible breeders , more for the sake of the breed and our flock, we needed answers about what is going on here... and if this was a genetic problem (which we have for the most part ruled out) The Clinician is going to get with me tomarrow as the Copper levels apperared to be deficient in thi lamb.? He is still progressing.. but still falling down from time to time (several times per day) and also has seizure like fits rarely. On the copper DEFICIENCY (not toxicity) any input? Jennifer Tucker Moose Mtn Ranch Bennett, CO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gotothewhip at aol.com Sat Apr 18 10:17:28 2009 From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:17:28 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Copper DEFINCIENCY In-Reply-To: <49E9AEBD.3050002@alltel.net> References: <8CB8DF18949533D-1360-1F50@webmail-dd13.sysops.aol.com> <49E9AEBD.3050002@alltel.net> Message-ID: <8CB8E4789DF86B1-5EC-25CD@WEBMAIL-MC01.sysops.aol.com> Linda, if folks send me a reply privatley, I will relay the info to you without their name.....But I cant imagine anyone being embarrased about this as it is truly a freak ordeal, and as the vet said, usually occurs in flocks that are well tended to, as we are feeding the correct thing to our sheep in feed and mineral form. The info on this is not really current,? so I was hoping to get some experienced shepards's stories. I lso have learned that our breed is LIKELY very tolerant to copper levels....It appears the more selectivley bred the breed is, the more susceptable they are to toxicity from the copper... Down Breeds (Mostly the common meat breeds) are VERY sensitive as are te Texel a HEAVILY muscled meat breed from the Netherlands) ? Finewools tend to me a bit more tolerant, and Finnsheep are Highly tolerant.? Obviously we have no data on minor breeds such as ours. I believe I am going to have copper levels piulled on a few more lambs to determine if I need to give a copper injection, as problems can show up late as well. THe simple answer is my hay may be high in Molybendum, which may be tying up the available copper for the minimum needs of the sheep Jennifer Tucker Moose Mtn Ranch ? -----Original Message----- From: Linda To: gotothewhip at aol.com Cc: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 4:43 am Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Copper DEFINCIENCY I don't have any input on the copper deficiency, but I would appreciate if replies would publicly to the list as I am also interested in the subject. Linda gotothewhip at aol.com wrote: The OCD suspect lamb spent most of the day, and most of our life's savings at Colorado State Vet School Yesterday.? We left with an "Open" (Unknown) diagnosis, with bloodwork for Border's Disease (Hairy Shaker Lamb) and Copper levels pending.? Radiologists found no abnormalties in the skull, neck or spinal process.? They Ultrasounded his brain and it was normal as well.? We flt as responsible breeders , more for the sake of the breed and our flock, we needed answers about what is going on here... and if this was a genetic problem (which we have for the most part ruled out) The Clinician is going to get with me tomarrow as the Copper levels apperared to be deficient in thi lamb.? He is still progressing.. but still falling down from time to time (several times per day) and also has seizure like fits rarely. On the copper DEFICIENCY (not toxicity) any input? Jennifer Tucker Moose Mtn Ranch Bennett, CO -- http://www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aztreaz at earthlink.net Sat Apr 18 16:47:33 2009 From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:47:33 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Copper DEFINCIENCY Message-ID: <410-220094618204733859@earthlink.net> >On the copper DEFICIENCY (not toxicity) any input? > >Jennifer Tucker >Moose Mtn Ranch >Bennett, CO ========= All I know is that Colorado is so mineral rich that some shepherds who live there put their sheep on special diets. You would need to have your soils tested for nutrient levels; especially high levels of minerals that tie up the uptake of other minerals like copper, iron, etc. A lady who lives near Paonia, CO had the striped fleeces (copper deficiency?) among other problems and now has a special diet for her sheep, set up by a sheep nutritionist, Bill Keogh of BK Nutrition Services, http://www.bksheep.com. You might consult him, several people on Sheep-list use him. However, if this lamb is an isolated case, then maybe you are not living in a problem area. The lady near Paonia had mineral problems with the entire herd. I can give you her name and email address, if you want to contact her. She would be very helpful. Hope this helps. Actually, it is recommended that all sheep owners have their soils and feed tested, etc. I never did it though, never had a problem. I suppose if I had a large commercial operation with much invested I would spend the time and money to get things analyzed properly. Cathy Moscow, Idaho From gotothewhip at aol.com Sat Apr 18 16:59:45 2009 From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:59:45 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Copper DEFINCIENCY In-Reply-To: <410-220094618204733859@earthlink.net> References: <410-220094618204733859@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CB8E7FBCE511B4-5D0-2858@webmail-mh41.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Cathy! We have not had our feeds tested.? Our soil tests are irrelevant as we drylot our sheep...and they do not go to pasture.? I am going to look into the hay first. We are currently feeding a Feedlot Lamb ration from Greeley, CO Elevator.? This is a ration they sell to the large lamb feedlots locally.? Because we buy in bulk, I don't have a tag readily available.. But doubt it is a source of problems as we only feed grain just prior to lambing and while they are lactating. The Dam of this lamb is a curiously easy keeper.? She remains obese with the other lamb on her, and limited rations.... She carries POCKETS of fat behind her shoulders.? We have free access to the vitalix Sheep Mineral Tubs, and also have the Purina Sheep Mineral Blocks out.? We offer some free choice loose minerals when the weather cooperates, but are limited in that aspect as none of the outdoor mineral feeders seem to accommodate horns! We have not heard back from the vet as to the game plan as of yet., Jennifer Tucker Moose Mtn Ranch \\Bennett, CO -----Original Message----- From: ARTHUR PARTRIDGE To: jacob-list Cc: gotothewhip at aol.com Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 2:47 pm Subject: Re: Copper DEFINCIENCY >On the copper DEFICIENCY (not toxicity) any input? > >Jennifer Tucker >Moose Mtn Ranch >Bennett, CO ========= All I know is that Colorado is so mineral rich that some shepherds who live there put their sheep on special diets. You would need to have your soils tested for nutrient levels; especially high levels of minerals that tie up the uptake of other minerals like copper, iron, etc. A lady who lives near Paonia, CO had the striped fleeces (copper deficiency?) among other problems and now has a special diet for her sheep, set up by a sheep nutritionist, Bill Keogh of BK Nutrition Services, http://www.bksheep.com. You might consult him, several people on Sheep-list use him. However, if this lamb is an isolated case, then maybe you are not living in a problem area. The lady near Paonia had mineral problems with the entire herd. I can give you her name and email address, if you want to contact her. She would be very helpful. Hope this helps. Actually, it is recommended that all sheep owners have their soils and feed tested, etc. I never did it though, never had a problem. I suppose if I had a large commercial operation with much invested I would spend the time and money to get things analyzed properly. Cathy Moscow, Idaho -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlynde at onramp113.org Sat Apr 18 21:49:30 2009 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:49:30 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Copper DEFINCIENCY References: <8CB8DF18949533D-1360-1F50@webmail-dd13.sysops.aol.com><49E9AEBD.3050002@alltel.net> <8CB8E4789DF86B1-5EC-25CD@WEBMAIL-MC01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <14E32CFAB1244C81BE66A8BBFBF238EE@your4dacd0ea75> I had a lamb this year with symptoms similar to those you described and I saw in your video when this lamb was born. I call it the "wobbly lamb" syndrome. in this case it seemed to be whole body, not just front or back end, as I've sometimes seen before. I was talking to the vet about other issues but asked about this lamb. One thought was oxygen deficiency at birth as can happen in a difficult birth. I was trying to remember (but with 70+ lambs in 3 weeks I wasn't clear on all the birth details !) and I think this was one that I found partly out of it's yearling mom and she was walking around before she got it out all the way. So it's very likely that it was a birth problem. Anyway, I made sure it got colostrum and kept the mom and lamb in a jug for several days. Later I kept them in a pen with just a few ewes and lambs so it wouldn't have to deal with all the rest of the flock. The lamb didn't get any better and eventually I put it down. As for copper--A few years ago, two years in a row, I had a ewe die within 2-4 weeks of lambing. Each time the ewe got very weak and lost interest in food and within about 24 hours she died. Necropsies showed copper toxicity. It turns out that these two ewes were mother and daughter and I don't have any more of their offspring here. I've never had any others with copper toxicity and I thought it was interesting that these were closely related. I never could figure out a source of copper--I don't feed grain (other than enough COB to get them to learn to like grain as lambs so they will all run to the barn when I shake the bucket). I have only sheep salt out, etc. My understanding is that blood copper levels in healthy sheep don't mean much because it's only when the liver gets an overload of copper than it finally "dumps" into the blood and the animal gets very sick and dies. Or the liver is building up high levels and then additional stress (lambing, etc) causes the excretion of the copper in the blood. Otherwise the liver keeps building up the copper but you don't see evidence in the blood. That's one reason that a necropsy of a sheep that dies of something else can be useful if it shows copper building up in the liver. Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: gotothewhip at aol.com To: patchworkfibers at alltel.net ; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Copper DEFINCIENCY Linda, if folks send me a reply privatley, I will relay the info to you without their name.....But I cant imagine anyone being embarrased about this as it is truly a freak ordeal, and as the vet said, usually occurs in flocks that are well tended to, as we are feeding the correct thing to our sheep in feed and mineral form. The info on this is not really current, so I was hoping to get some experienced shepards's stories. I lso have learned that our breed is LIKELY very tolerant to copper levels....It appears the more selectivley bred the breed is, the more susceptable they are to toxicity from the copper... Down Breeds (Mostly the common meat breeds) are VERY sensitive as are te Texel a HEAVILY muscled meat breed from the Netherlands) Finewools tend to me a bit more tolerant, and Finnsheep are Highly tolerant. Obviously we have no data on minor breeds such as ours. I believe I am going to have copper levels piulled on a few more lambs to determine if I need to give a copper injection, as problems can show up late as well. THe simple answer is my hay may be high in Molybendum, which may be tying up the available copper for the minimum needs of the sheep Jennifer Tucker Moose Mtn Ranch -----Original Message----- From: Linda To: gotothewhip at aol.com Cc: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 4:43 am Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Copper DEFINCIENCY I don't have any input on the copper deficiency, but I would appreciate if replies would publicly to the list as I am also interested in the subject. Linda gotothewhip at aol.com wrote: The OCD suspect lamb spent most of the day, and most of our life's savings at Colorado State Vet School Yesterday. We left with an "Open" (Unknown) diagnosis, with bloodwork for Border's Disease (Hairy Shaker Lamb) and Copper levels pending. Radiologists found no abnormalties in the skull, neck or spinal process. They Ultrasounded his brain and it was normal as well. We flt as responsible breeders , more for the sake of the breed and our flock, we needed answers about what is going on here... and if this was a genetic problem (which we have for the most part ruled out) The Clinician is going to get with me tomarrow as the Copper levels apperared to be deficient in thi lamb. He is still progressing.. but still falling down from time to time (several times per day) and also has seizure like fits rarely. On the copper DEFICIENCY (not toxicity) any input? 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Now here is my questions..I used to have ShetlandXIcelandic sheep..but I am fascinated by the Jacobs...I hae fencing but not the heavy type bu the t-post with the 4" by2" fences that come in a?100' roll and very 6' I have a 6.5' tall?t-post and I have chain link gates and a barn that is 36' by 26'..I do not have much else ..my husband lost his job in Silicon Valley after 28.5 years of working for the same company..so I am returning to our home there with our 18 year olde son and hubby will hoepfully spend more time there than here..he is looking for a job and also those Engineer Consulting now sort of full time....so I need help.. I honestly do not want to breed this first time, but I am interested in ewes that I can eventually get a good quality ram so I can breed and sell as well.? I want to havea good stock that I can raise ethically and free range in my acreage..I do a good amount of knapweed and pastures as well.? Your comments, ideas, suggestions, would be gladly accepted.? I do plan to also use the fiber as I will have to relearn to clean, spin, loom, knit and sell wool in it natural state..I want to have an excellent reputation and an excellent product as well..Thank you, Francie "Remember, remember, the 5th of November...." V for Vendetta "People should not fear their Government, their Government should fear them..."V for Vendetta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gotothewhip at aol.com Mon Apr 20 09:41:33 2009 From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:41:33 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] My Wobbly Lamb Message-ID: <8CB8FD4DA234B2C-E28-14FF@webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com> Well, I think we are going to Euthanize him today.? He has gone down hill over the last few days, and significantly in the last 24 hours.? He now scoots his feet when he walks, does not pick them up, which increases the falls.? He is eating drinking and peeing like a champ, but I cant watch him go downhill like this.? Last week he was an active lamb with a peculiar way of going, and prone to a fall or two a day... now the falls are regular, as are the little fits following the fall.? The Copper Deficiency diagnosis isn't really a factor at this point, it is a quality of life..... Jennifer Tucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Congratulations on a nice bunch of lambs. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:26 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] 2009 Lambs We're sure not complaining about rain here in Georgia after five years of drought, but it does make it hard to get lamb pictures. Our 2009 lambs are now pictured at: http://www.patchworkfibers.com/2009Lambs.html Linda -- http://www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Even if you can't attend the AGM, you can have a chance to win some great items! A link to the raffle site will be posted on www.jsba.org when the site is ready. Our raffle items for the last two years included handmade items from Jacob Sheep wool, books written by JSBA members, gift certificates, pottery, paintings, photography, sheep supplies...lots of great items! If you would like to donate (and I hope you will), please email me at: patchworkfibers at windstream.net. If you haven't donated before to an AGM raffle, please consider it. If you've donated before, I hope you'll donate again. A picture of your donation will be posted on the raffle site along with a link to your website. Thank you, Linda Bjarkman -- http://www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Was I suppose to saw the horn off the skull immediately after death? How strong are these hollow outer sheaths? Should they be filled with something before inserting on top of a walking stick or will the handle (horn) remain hollow? What is a good product to polish the horns? Any other information is appreciated. I will also search online for any info. Thanks, Cathy Moscow, Idaho From mudranch at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 15:58:05 2009 From: mudranch at gmail.com (Joan Gross) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:58:05 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] JSBA AGM Raffle Message-ID: Hi Linda, I would be happy to donate a photograph again if you're interested! When do you need the items by? Joan Gross www.mudranchjacobs.com -- www.mudranchjacobs.com www.mudranch.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've twice worked for weeks to save a lamb that didn't stand/walk. The first one went to the vet and had some tests run - not as extensive as you had done, though. The vet said his condition was probably the result of oxygen deprivation during birth.? He had a strong nursing reflex and nursed fine and did stand with help. I worked for two weeks to save him. Finally just gave up. Did it again a few years later for two weeks again with the same result. I'll never do it again for that period of time. It's just too heart breaking and I'm uncertain if a lamb that needs so much help to survive should. If I had the resources, I would do my best to find out what went wrong to satisfy my own curiosity and really respect that you spend the time and effort to find a reason. The last time I had one that wasn't standing at two days old, after being sure it had nursed and doing all the usual survival tactics, I just had to dispatch it. It was sad, but better than working for two weeks and ending up at the same place. Linda gotothewhip at aol.com wrote: Well, I think we are going to Euthanize him today.? He has gone down hill over the last few days, and significantly in the last 24 hours.? He now scoots his feet when he walks, does not pick them up, which increases the falls.? He is eating drinking and peeing like a champ, but I cant watch him go downhill like this.? Last week he was an active lamb with a peculiar way of going, and prone to a fall or two a day... now the falls are regular, as are the little fits following the fall.? The Copper Deficiency diagnosis isn't really a factor at this point, it is a quality of life..... Jennifer Tucker -- http://www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cathy Moscow, Idaho From paintedrockfarm at aol.com Sat Apr 25 04:36:49 2009 From: paintedrockfarm at aol.com (Cheryl Terrano) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 04:36:49 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Making items from sheep horns In-Reply-To: <410-2200946254345984@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200946254345984@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CB93981C41DB97-168-3B42@webmail-dh11.sysops.aol.com> Hi Cathy, I have your original email to reply to but ave yet to complete my typing. Its been busy around the farm and not much time for computer stuff. I just wanted you to know I haven't forgotten and am preparing a reply about horn canes - this is something my husband does so I'm picking his brain and typing since he doesn't "do" computers much. :) Don't get discouraged in your quest about making canes and walking sticks. Also, I do have a great book about making horn topped canes - trying to locate it in my library of books to provide you the title just not having much luck finding it. Hmm... Talk soon, Cheryl in WV http://paintedrockfarm.blogspot.com http://www.paintedrockfarm.com WHEN EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE SHAKEN IS SHAKEN, THE ANCHOR THAT HOLDS IS THE WISDOM OF THE CROSS. (Jason Upton, Key of David Ministries, from the CD 1200 ft below sea level) If you want to see God's power at work, you must get out of the church and into the world. Watch the extravagant lengths which God will go to reveal Himself to people who don't know Him. Then you will learn how truly awesome our God is. (Author Unknown) -----Original Message----- From: ARTHUR PARTRIDGE To: jacob-list Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:34 am Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Making items from sheep horns I am surprised at the lack of response about the horns. The horn is another benefit of raising Jacobs. I did receive one interesting reply privately, mostly about buttons, but also mentioning other products made from horns. I am interested in any discussion on this subject. I am interested in buttons also, but I really want to make a walking stick (cane) with a Jacob horn handle. Maybe everyone is waiting for the weekend to reply. Maybe the word "horn" is a four letter word that only a few want to discuss. Cathy Moscow, Idaho _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snielsen1 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 25 12:59:43 2009 From: snielsen1 at earthlink.net (Susan Nielsen) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:59:43 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Jacob-list] Making items from sheep horns Message-ID: <26489594.1240678784144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> book ($18 at Amazon): http://www.woodworkerslibrary.com/product.php?productid=17893&cat=269&page=1 site: http://wrencountrysticks.web.officelive.com/aboutus.aspx site: http://www.bsda.eu/ S. -----Original Message----- >From: ARTHUR PARTRIDGE >Sent: Apr 24, 2009 9:34 PM >To: jacob-list >Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Making items from sheep horns > >I am surprised at the lack of response about the horns. The horn is >another benefit of raising Jacobs. I did receive one interesting reply >privately, mostly about buttons, but also mentioning other products made >from horns. I am interested in any discussion on this subject. I am >interested in buttons also, but I really want to make a walking stick >(cane) with a Jacob horn handle. Maybe everyone is waiting for the >weekend to reply. Maybe the word "horn" is a four letter word that only a >few want to discuss. > >Cathy >Moscow, Idaho -- See our farm blog at http://skepweaver.wordpress.com/ -- Peace also takes courage. From aztreaz at earthlink.net Sat Apr 25 14:48:48 2009 From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:48:48 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Making items from sheep horns Message-ID: <410-220094625184848109@earthlink.net> Thanks Cheryl for working on this, sounds like you have some good info. I received this from my friend who raises Icelandics. This should contain a lot of information. Cathy Moscow, Idaho Found my print-out, AND the reference to it. Go to: http://tinyurl.com/anoqvx and, if this isn't enough, google Using and working with horn by I. Marc Carlson from 27 Aug '01. He requests that this information not be sold or the user benefit from money exchange to get this information, but it is so full of tips on what to do, etc. that it is so helpful. From ACAMDA at aol.com Sat Apr 25 15:07:50 2009 From: ACAMDA at aol.com (ACAMDA at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:07:50 EDT Subject: [Jacob-list] Making items from sheep horns Message-ID: Horn has also been one of my interests as well. I found this website: _http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/horn/hornhome.html_ (http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/horn/hornhome.html) that discusses a lot of different things you can do (like spoons!), but I don't remember now if canes were mentioned. Keep posting what you find. These days my silence is because I have to schedule every moment of the day - including breathing! Kathey **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! 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Cathy Moscow, Idaho From lbbdvm at londonderryvet.com Tue Apr 28 12:26:06 2009 From: lbbdvm at londonderryvet.com (Lia Belanger) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:26:06 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] MD sheep and Wool Message-ID: <000001c9c81e$08e66220$6a01010a@LBELANGER> Who is organizing the JSBA booth at MD Sheep and Wool this weekend? I can help out on Sunday morning. Can we bring stuff to sell as in year's past? Thanks, Lia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schmick54 at aol.com Tue Apr 28 12:52:04 2009 From: schmick54 at aol.com (schmick54 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:52:04 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] 2009 lambs Message-ID: <8CB9638CB58041E-984-1F1D@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> ?We're not quite finished yet--small crop this year, but check us out ! 2008 "clearance sale" on top--scroll down for Broken O 2009 lambs. http://www.spotted-fever.com/ForSale.html And by the way, check out my Hat Catalog, too ! 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