From info at brenalanfarm.com Wed Oct 1 19:03:31 2008 From: info at brenalanfarm.com (Brenalan Farm) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:03:31 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] good wool processor Message-ID: <007f01c92419$ed09e200$0a00a8c0@searlecece725f> I just got my first order back from Zeilingers in Frankenmuth, MI. They did a nice job on a friend's Lincoln fleece and have fast turn around, so I thought I try them. They processed several fleeces into roving for me, and the reduction in vegetation was impressive. The only things I don't like is that they want fairly large batches- 5 lb for roving and 30 for pencil roving- and won't run smaller batches consecutively (e.g. whitest to blackest) without cleanout and count it as one batch for purposes of not getting small lot charges. But if you have a lot of one thing, they seem like a great place to go. Prices are reasonable at $6.55/lb for grease wool to roving. Their 2 and 3 way swirls are also nice. Their avg turnaround seems to be about 6 weeks. Brenda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lynettefrick at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 15:34:54 2008 From: lynettefrick at gmail.com (Lynette Frick) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:34:54 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Shipping Salted Pelts Message-ID: <22872c750810021234s6b112db2xc5fe6bd291511169@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Just thought I'd ask how you all box up your pelts. I have one more wether to butcher before I send in all six pelts, but was just curious if there is any secret to being cost efficient when shipping these clunky things! Thanks in advance, Lynette Frick IDEAL FARM Jacob Sheep www.idealjacobsheep.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lodestarshepherds at mcn.net Thu Oct 2 16:50:28 2008 From: lodestarshepherds at mcn.net (-sam) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:50:28 -0600 Subject: [Jacob-list] Shipping Salted Pelts In-Reply-To: <22872c750810021234s6b112db2xc5fe6bd291511169@mail.gmail.com> References: <22872c750810021234s6b112db2xc5fe6bd291511169@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E53414.20405@mcn.net> To whom are you shippping your pelts? I have a stack of salted pelts from last year, and will have more this year. If I can't find anyone to tan them, I might have to try it myself. Has anyone ever done the home tanning with a drum of battery acid? Thanks, -sam in Montana Lynette Frick wrote: > Hi all, > > Just thought I'd ask how you all box up your pelts. I have one more > wether to butcher before I send in all six pelts, but was just curious > if there is any secret to being cost efficient when shipping these > clunky things! > > Thanks in advance, > > Lynette Frick > IDEAL FARM > Jacob Sheep > www.idealjacobsheep.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > -- K9FUNdamentals LLC * Bozeman Montana Toys & Essentials for Performance Dogs BUY ONLINE! http://www.K9FUNdamentals.com From rlynde at onramp113.org Fri Oct 3 11:04:23 2008 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:04:23 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Shipping Salted Pelts References: <22872c750810021234s6b112db2xc5fe6bd291511169@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004101c92569$527d31a0$6401a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> I used to roll up the pelts and stuff them into a feed sack. Three or four will fit. Then I took another feed sack (inside out) and put it over the other end and taped it like crazy. You can ship that way via USPS or UPS. However, the last time I went to the UPS store the manager told me that any odd shaped package always costs more to ship than a box. I have never bought a box in my life--it just seems that I should be able to find one that fits. But each of my 4 bags of pelts would cost over $70 to ship now. I bought 2 boxes and was able to put 2 of my sacks in each box. The shipping was not much more for a box holding two of the sacks than it would have been for one sack. The UPS guy said that the bags aren't a bad idea even if you use a box because it helps contain the salt, etc. Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynette Frick To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] Shipping Salted Pelts Hi all, Just thought I'd ask how you all box up your pelts. I have one more wether to butcher before I send in all six pelts, but was just curious if there is any secret to being cost efficient when shipping these clunky things! Thanks in advance, Lynette Frick IDEAL FARM Jacob Sheep www.idealjacobsheep.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bidewee at aol.com Sat Oct 4 13:23:30 2008 From: bidewee at aol.com (BIDE WEE) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:23:30 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 50, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lynette, I just sent 37 pelts off to Buck's County Fur Products in Quakertown, PA and was able to fit them into 7 boxes. I just scrounged the boxes up over the last few months. Our local landfill's recycling center is a good source. If I know the pelts aren't going out right away I'll put them in plastic bags inside the boxes to keep they dry (because here in Oregon once the cool, wet weather hits the dry pelts will start picking up moisture again), but if they're going right out I don't bother with the bags. Because I send so many out at a time and because it's easy to forget what I sent by the time I get them back, I take pictures of the raw pelts and note which pelts were in which box (i.e., box 1 of 7 contained 5 pelts - 3 Jacob and 2 Navajo-Churro). Micro-managing? Sure. But that way I have a record of what I sent and can tell if I got back what I sent. Plus, if a box were to get lost in transit I'd know which pelts were lost. I've been using DHL (www.dhl.com) for all of my heavier shipping needs for the last year or so. My experience has been that they're substantially cheaper than UPS and they don't charge as many over-size fees as UPS does. You can set up a DHL account on-line and do all of your invoicing and payments there. And best of all they'll give you a 10% discount for doing it all on-line. They mail out free supplies so I'm able to print out shipping labels out on my computer and get them ready at home, then I drop them off in town at a mail box type store. Plus I can track them on-line just like with UPS. Karen Lobb bide a wee farm www.bideaweefarm.com In a message dated 10/03/08 09:16:36 Pacific Daylight Time, jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com writes: Hi all, Just thought I'd ask how you all box up your pelts. I have one more wether to butcher before I send in all six pelts, but was just curious if there is any secret to being cost efficient when shipping these clunky things! Thanks in advance, Lynette Frick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lynettefrick at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 00:17:31 2008 From: lynettefrick at gmail.com (Lynette Frick) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:17:31 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Flock Reduction Message-ID: <22872c750810052117u3db008bfw1b950cc8e6a94d6a@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, We are still in an effort to reduce our flock down by about half. We are going through the butcher lambs, and thinning there first, but we do need to get some ewes sold. Everything we have left is still here because they are ones that I really don't want to part with. All nice sheep, no culls, and I follow very strict health protocols (my mom swears I'm germaphobic!). We decided to expose a good portion of the flock to our rams this fall. I really am happy with our rams for this year. I am hoping to get some bred ewes sold, but if nothing else we will have some very nice butcher lambs this spring. If there are any ewes, even ewes that are not on the list that any of you are interested in, all offers are being considered. Also I will allow specific ewes to go to good homes at below market value to avoid having to run anything through the auction. The way I look at it, I might as well butcher them than run them through the auction, either way the genetics are lost and at least they wouldn't have to be stressed or possibly neglected. Thank you so much for your time Lynette Frick IDEAL FARM Jacob Sheep www.idealjacobsheep.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlynde at onramp113.org Mon Oct 6 03:07:47 2008 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 00:07:47 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob sheep and guard donkeys coming to the Northwest and CA Message-ID: <014501c92782$3cf5e730$6401a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Bob Norton & Marianne Craft Norton are heading west in late October or early November to California, Oregon, Washington, Montana, etc. on a sheep and donkey delivery trip. If you would like to have any of their lambs, or guard donkeys, check their website www.craftsatbluffton.com or call 563-735-5533 Still room on the trailer for a few more lambs and another donkey." I'm sending this message for Bob and Marianne, long-time Jacob breeders. Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beegal7 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 16:13:31 2008 From: beegal7 at yahoo.com (Meg Steensland) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] Just spoke w/Judy Fosbrink Message-ID: <260723.19787.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Carl Fosbrink who is an inspector and active on this list suffered a bad fall and was in the hospital in Indianapolis for a while and is now home.? Those of you that met him carl fosbrink? fourhornfarm at verizon.net? and ?Judy at the 2007 AGM and others, of course, may want to write and wish him well or phone (812-522-3048). ? 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Mick -----Original Message----- From: Meg Steensland To: Jacob List Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 2:13 pm Subject: [Jacob-list] Just spoke w/Judy Fosbrink Carl Fosbrink who is an inspector and active on this list suffered a bad fall and was in the hospital in Indianapolis for a while and is now home.? Those of you that met him carl fosbrink? fourhornfarm at verizon.net? and ?Judy at the 2007 AGM and others, of course, may want to write and wish him well or phone (812-522-3048). ? When Judy and I talked, Carl was out in the pasture on his mobility unit picking up sticks! ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Sat Oct 11 07:06:50 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:06:50 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lone Star Fur Dressing Message-ID: <200810117650.401190@Linda-PC> Anyone heard from Lone Star lately? I've been trying to get my pelt back for over a month and now I see their website no longer exists. Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aztreaz at earthlink.net Sat Oct 11 12:35:04 2008 From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:35:04 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur Message-ID: <410-220081061116354546@earthlink.net> >>Anyone heard from Lone Star lately? I've been trying to get my pelt back for over a month and now I see their website no longer exists. ========= Linda, you didn't heed my past warnings about this company.... Lonestar has a glut of pelts and is not taking any more. I FINALLY received my sheepskins after waiting two years. You will have a very loooooong wait. It looks like David is trying to do all the work by himself!! Copy of post I sent to sheep-l: >After waiting more than two years, I received my spotted Jacob sheepskins yesterday from Lonestar Wool & Fur in NC. As some of you recall, I thought they were long gone, so nice that the tanner kept them. That wasn't the case. David the tanner was inundated with animal skins and it took a long time to process them. It would've been nice if he had contacted his customers, but I suppose he was very busy. Too many deer skins! He did a good job on my sheepskins, except one has a small hole with some flakes of chewed pieces of hide, probably rodent damage. This was a new company and had (has??) some growing pains. Without Sterns Tanning, there are just a few places to send pelts. I reluctantly recommend Lonestar, these are machine washable pelts, not cut down to a smaller size, but you might wait a long time to get your sheepskins back. 'Better late than never', I always say. Any news about Sterns Tanning? My friend sent her pelts where they are stored until the tannery is operating again. Cathy Moscow, Idaho From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Sat Oct 11 13:03:53 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:03:53 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur In-Reply-To: <410-220081061116354546@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2008101113353.784959@Linda-PC> I sent it from SAFF last year with a woman that works p/t at Lonestar, so I thought I might have an "in". I also sent along a deposit check, which has been cashed. I heard from them in June that my pelt was scheduled to be processed that month and would be shipped to me in July. That's the last I've heard from them. I did send three to Stern's last summer, but I doubt they are finished yet. They were at that time accepting pelts for storage, with no guarantee as to turn around. I'm quite disappointed in Lonestar, especially since pelts are usually pretty good sellers at SAFF I will listen to you from now on! Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn >>Anyone heard from Lone Star lately? I've been trying to get my pelt back for over a month and now I see their website no longer exists. ========= Linda, you didn't heed my past warnings about this company.... Lonestar has a glut of pelts and is not taking any more. I FINALLY received my sheepskins after waiting two years. You will have a very loooooong wait. It looks like David is trying to do all the work by himself!! Copy of post I sent to sheep-l: >After waiting more than two years, I received my spotted Jacob sheepskins yesterday from Lonestar Wool & Fur in NC. As some of you recall, I thought they were long gone, so nice that the tanner kept them. That wasn't the case. David the tanner was inundated with animal skins and it took a long time to process them. It would've been nice if he had contacted his customers, but I suppose he was very busy. Too many deer skins! He did a good job on my sheepskins, except one has a small hole with some flakes of chewed pieces of hide, probably rodent damage. This was a new company and had (has??) some growing pains. Without Sterns Tanning, there are just a few places to send pelts. I reluctantly recommend Lonestar, these are machine washable pelts, not cut down to a smaller size, but you might wait a long time to get your sheepskins back. 'Better late than never', I always say. Any news about Sterns Tanning? My friend sent her pelts where they are stored until the tannery is operating again. 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I was rather sick that my pelts were gone and didn't want some other pelt, so I asked for my money back - I still haven't seen it!!! Talk about adding insult to injury. In addition, they won't return my calls. Very frustrating!!! I saw a lot of pelts recently from Bucks County from a fellow jacob breeder and they were gorgeous! I believe turn around was decent as well. Shannon Phifer Kenleigh Acres Farm www.kenleigh-acres.com That'll Do Photography www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com ----- Original Message ---- From: "jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com" To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:15:22 AM Subject: Jacob-list Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 Send Jacob-list mailing list submissions to jacob-list at jacobsheep.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com You can reach the person managing the list at jacob-list-owner at jacobsheep.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Jacob-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Lonestar Wool & Fur (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) 2. Re: Lonestar Wool & Fur (Linda) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:35:04 -0700 From: "ARTHUR PARTRIDGE" Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur To: "jacob-list" Cc: Linda Message-ID: <410-220081061116354546 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>Anyone heard from Lone Star lately? I've been trying to get my pelt back for over a month and now I see their website no longer exists. ========= Linda, you didn't heed my past warnings about this company.... Lonestar has a glut of pelts and is not taking any more. I FINALLY received my sheepskins after waiting two years. You will have a very loooooong wait. It looks like David is trying to do all the work by himself!! Copy of post I sent to sheep-l: >After waiting more than two years, I received my spotted Jacob sheepskins yesterday from Lonestar Wool & Fur in NC. As some of you recall, I thought they were long gone, so nice that the tanner kept them. That wasn't the case. David the tanner was inundated with animal skins and it took a long time to process them. It would've been nice if he had contacted his customers, but I suppose he was very busy. Too many deer skins! He did a good job on my sheepskins, except one has a small hole with some flakes of chewed pieces of hide, probably rodent damage. This was a new company and had (has??) some growing pains. Without Sterns Tanning, there are just a few places to send pelts. I reluctantly recommend Lonestar, these are machine washable pelts, not cut down to a smaller size, but you might wait a long time to get your sheepskins back. 'Better late than never', I always say. Any news about Sterns Tanning? My friend sent her pelts where they are stored until the tannery is operating again. Cathy Moscow, Idaho ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:03:53 -0400 From: Linda Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur To: , jacob-list Message-ID: <2008101113353.784959 at Linda-PC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I sent it from SAFF last year with a woman that works p/t at Lonestar, so I thought I might have an "in". I also sent along a deposit check, which has been cashed. I heard from them in June that my pelt was scheduled to be processed that month and would be shipped to me in July. That's the last I've heard from them. I did send three to Stern's last summer, but I doubt they are finished yet. They were at that time accepting pelts for storage, with no guarantee as to turn around. I'm quite disappointed in Lonestar, especially since pelts are usually pretty good sellers at SAFF I will listen to you from now on! Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn >>Anyone heard from Lone Star lately? I've been trying to get my pelt back for over a month and now I see their website no longer exists. ========= Linda, you didn't heed my past warnings about this company.... Lonestar has a glut of pelts and is not taking any more. I FINALLY received my sheepskins after waiting two years. You will have a very loooooong wait. It looks like David is trying to do all the work by himself!! Copy of post I sent to sheep-l: >After waiting more than two years, I received my spotted Jacob sheepskins yesterday from Lonestar Wool & Fur in NC. As some of you recall, I thought they were long gone, so nice that the tanner kept them. That wasn't the case. David the tanner was inundated with animal skins and it took a long time to process them. It would've been nice if he had contacted his customers, but I suppose he was very busy. Too many deer skins! He did a good job on my sheepskins, except one has a small hole with some flakes of chewed pieces of hide, probably rodent damage. This was a new company and had (has??) some growing pains. Without Sterns Tanning, there are just a few places to send pelts. I reluctantly recommend Lonestar, these are machine washable pelts, not cut down to a smaller size, but you might wait a long time to get your sheepskins back. 'Better late than never', I always say. Any news about Sterns Tanning? My friend sent her pelts where they are stored until the tannery is operating again. Cathy Moscow, Idaho _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list End of Jacob-list Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 ***************************************** From hannah at knoxfarms.com Sun Oct 12 15:12:40 2008 From: hannah at knoxfarms.com (Hannah) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur In-Reply-To: <477532.96640.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <477532.96640.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58789.64.40.83.53.1223838760.squirrel@kit.rc4systems.net> sounds like grounds for a class-action lawsuit... > Personally I will never do business with Sterns again... I sent in 5 > pelts plus a deposit for each before the fire. It took them over a year > to let me know that they 'thought' my pelts were lost in the damage. Then > they sent a letter out asking if I wanted them to replace my pelts or a > monetary payback for the pelts - plus my deposit. I was rather sick that > my pelts were gone and didn't want some other pelt, so I asked for my > money back - I still haven't seen it!!! Talk about adding insult to > injury. In addition, they won't return my calls. Very frustrating!!! > > I saw a lot of pelts recently from Bucks County from a fellow jacob > breeder and they were gorgeous! I believe turn around was decent as well. > > > Shannon Phifer > Kenleigh Acres Farm > www.kenleigh-acres.com > That'll Do Photography > www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com" > > To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:15:22 AM > Subject: Jacob-list Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 > > Send Jacob-list mailing list submissions to > jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > jacob-list-owner at jacobsheep.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Jacob-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Lonestar Wool & Fur (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) > 2. Re: Lonestar Wool & Fur (Linda) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:35:04 -0700 > From: "ARTHUR PARTRIDGE" > Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur > To: "jacob-list" > Cc: Linda > Message-ID: <410-220081061116354546 at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >>>Anyone heard from Lone Star lately? I've been trying to get my pelt back > for over a month and now I see their website no longer exists. > ========= > Linda, you didn't heed my past warnings about this company.... > Lonestar has a glut of pelts and is not taking any more. I FINALLY > received my sheepskins after waiting two years. You will have a very > loooooong wait. It looks like David is trying to do all the work by > himself!! > > Copy of post I sent to sheep-l: >>After waiting more than two years, I received my spotted Jacob sheepskins > yesterday from Lonestar Wool & Fur in NC. As some of you recall, I thought > they were long gone, so nice that the tanner kept them. That wasn't the > case. David the tanner was inundated with animal skins and it took a long > time to process them. It would've been nice if he had contacted his > customers, but I suppose he was very busy. Too many deer skins! He did a > good job on my sheepskins, except one has a small hole with some flakes of > chewed pieces of hide, probably rodent damage. This was a new company and > had (has??) some growing pains. Without Sterns Tanning, there are just a > few places to send pelts. I reluctantly recommend Lonestar, these are > machine washable pelts, not cut down to a smaller size, but you might wait > a long time to get your sheepskins back. > > 'Better late than never', I always say. > > Any news about Sterns Tanning? My friend sent her pelts where they are > stored until the tannery is operating again. > > Cathy > Moscow, Idaho > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:03:53 -0400 > From: Linda > Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur > To: , jacob-list > > Message-ID: <2008101113353.784959 at Linda-PC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I sent it from SAFF last year with a woman that works p/t at Lonestar, so > I thought I might have an "in". I also sent along a deposit check, which > has been cashed. I heard from them in June that my pelt was scheduled to > be processed that month and would be shipped to me in July. That's the > last I've heard from them. > I did send three to Stern's last summer, but I doubt they are finished > yet. They were at that time accepting pelts for storage, with no guarantee > as to turn around. I'm quite disappointed in Lonestar, especially since > pelts are usually pretty good sellers at SAFF > > I will listen to you from now on! > Linda > > www.patchworkfibers.com > Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn > >>>Anyone heard from Lone Star lately? I've been trying to get my pelt back > for over a month and now I see their website no longer exists. > ========= > Linda, you didn't heed my past warnings about this company.... > Lonestar has a glut of pelts and is not taking any more. I FINALLY > received my sheepskins after waiting two years. You will have a very > loooooong wait. It looks like David is trying to do all the work by > himself!! > > Copy of post I sent to sheep-l: >>After waiting more than two years, I received my spotted Jacob sheepskins > yesterday from Lonestar Wool & Fur in NC. As some of you recall, I thought > they were long gone, so nice that the tanner kept them. That wasn't the > case. David the tanner was inundated with animal skins and it took a long > time to process them. It would've been nice if he had contacted his > customers, but I suppose he was very busy. Too many deer skins! He did a > good job on my sheepskins, except one has a small hole with some flakes of > chewed pieces of hide, probably rodent damage. This was a new company and > had (has??) some growing pains. Without Sterns Tanning, there are just a > few places to send pelts. I reluctantly recommend Lonestar, these are > machine washable pelts, not cut down to a smaller size, but you might wait > a long time to get your sheepskins back. > > 'Better late than never', I always say. > > Any news about Sterns Tanning? My friend sent her pelts where they are > stored until the tannery is operating again. > > Cathy > Moscow, Idaho > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > > > End of Jacob-list Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 > ***************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > -- Knox Farms All Natural Goat's Milk Soaps Heritage Breed Livestock and Some That We Just Like Say NO! to National Animal ID System! http://nonais.org Member Friends of Traditional Farming http://fotfarm.org Blog blog.knoxfarms.com From honeybucket at comcast.net Sun Oct 12 15:27:02 2008 From: honeybucket at comcast.net (Patty B) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:27:02 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur In-Reply-To: <477532.96640.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <477532.96640.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01909C304A9D4B9A9FB9699759607BF0@coyotebook> Ditto---I still haven't decided what to do about the pelts that burned in Sterns' fire and thought their offer was pitiful. Not that they could return the pelts but they could have done a better job of reimbursement for losses. I had 12 lost. I do NOT recommend them at all. I had been sending mine to Bucks for several years but decided this one time to do Sterns because it was half the distance away. Bad luck to pick that particular year! There is a place in San Francisco that will take a good-sized order, tho I can't remember the name and not sure they still do. They did not have washable processing but did a very nice job and were reliable. Patty Berke Flying Coyote Farm -----Original Message----- From: jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com [mailto:jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Phifer Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:31 AM To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur Personally I will never do business with Sterns again... I sent in 5 pelts plus a deposit for each before the fire. It took them over a year to let me know that they 'thought' my pelts were lost in the damage. Then they sent a letter out asking if I wanted them to replace my pelts or a monetary payback for the pelts - plus my deposit. I was rather sick that my pelts were gone and didn't want some other pelt, so I asked for my money back - I still haven't seen it!!! Talk about adding insult to injury. In addition, they won't return my calls. Very frustrating!!! I saw a lot of pelts recently from Bucks County from a fellow jacob breeder and they were gorgeous! I believe turn around was decent as well. Shannon Phifer Kenleigh Acres Farm www.kenleigh-acres.com That'll Do Photography www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com ----- Original Message ---- From: "jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com" To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:15:22 AM Subject: Jacob-list Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 Send Jacob-list mailing list submissions to jacob-list at jacobsheep.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com You can reach the person managing the list at jacob-list-owner at jacobsheep.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Jacob-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Lonestar Wool & Fur (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) 2. Re: Lonestar Wool & Fur (Linda) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:35:04 -0700 From: "ARTHUR PARTRIDGE" Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur To: "jacob-list" Cc: Linda Message-ID: <410-220081061116354546 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>Anyone heard from Lone Star lately? I've been trying to get my pelt back for over a month and now I see their website no longer exists. ========= Linda, you didn't heed my past warnings about this company.... Lonestar has a glut of pelts and is not taking any more. I FINALLY received my sheepskins after waiting two years. You will have a very loooooong wait. It looks like David is trying to do all the work by himself!! Copy of post I sent to sheep-l: >After waiting more than two years, I received my spotted Jacob sheepskins yesterday from Lonestar Wool & Fur in NC. As some of you recall, I thought they were long gone, so nice that the tanner kept them. That wasn't the case. David the tanner was inundated with animal skins and it took a long time to process them. It would've been nice if he had contacted his customers, but I suppose he was very busy. Too many deer skins! He did a good job on my sheepskins, except one has a small hole with some flakes of chewed pieces of hide, probably rodent damage. This was a new company and had (has??) some growing pains. Without Sterns Tanning, there are just a few places to send pelts. I reluctantly recommend Lonestar, these are machine washable pelts, not cut down to a smaller size, but you might wait a long time to get your sheepskins back. 'Better late than never', I always say. Any news about Sterns Tanning? My friend sent her pelts where they are stored until the tannery is operating again. Cathy Moscow, Idaho ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:03:53 -0400 From: Linda Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur To: , jacob-list Message-ID: <2008101113353.784959 at Linda-PC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I sent it from SAFF last year with a woman that works p/t at Lonestar, so I thought I might have an "in". I also sent along a deposit check, which has been cashed. I heard from them in June that my pelt was scheduled to be processed that month and would be shipped to me in July. That's the last I've heard from them. I did send three to Stern's last summer, but I doubt they are finished yet. They were at that time accepting pelts for storage, with no guarantee as to turn around. I'm quite disappointed in Lonestar, especially since pelts are usually pretty good sellers at SAFF I will listen to you from now on! Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn >>Anyone heard from Lone Star lately? I've been trying to get my pelt back for over a month and now I see their website no longer exists. ========= Linda, you didn't heed my past warnings about this company.... Lonestar has a glut of pelts and is not taking any more. I FINALLY received my sheepskins after waiting two years. You will have a very loooooong wait. It looks like David is trying to do all the work by himself!! Copy of post I sent to sheep-l: >After waiting more than two years, I received my spotted Jacob sheepskins yesterday from Lonestar Wool & Fur in NC. As some of you recall, I thought they were long gone, so nice that the tanner kept them. That wasn't the case. David the tanner was inundated with animal skins and it took a long time to process them. It would've been nice if he had contacted his customers, but I suppose he was very busy. Too many deer skins! He did a good job on my sheepskins, except one has a small hole with some flakes of chewed pieces of hide, probably rodent damage. This was a new company and had (has??) some growing pains. Without Sterns Tanning, there are just a few places to send pelts. I reluctantly recommend Lonestar, these are machine washable pelts, not cut down to a smaller size, but you might wait a long time to get your sheepskins back. 'Better late than never', I always say. Any news about Sterns Tanning? My friend sent her pelts where they are stored until the tannery is operating again. Cathy Moscow, Idaho _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list End of Jacob-list Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Sun Oct 12 17:47:32 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lonestar Wool & Fur In-Reply-To: <477532.96640.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081012174732.207831@Linda-PC> I guess I'll never see any of my pelts. I have one at Lonestar and three at Stern's. It's abit disappointing as this is the first year I've sent pelts out. Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn Personally I will never do business with Sterns again... I sent in 5 pelts plus a deposit for each before the fire. It took them over a year to let me know that they 'thought' my pelts were lost in the damage. Then they sent a letter out asking if I wanted them to replace my pelts or a monetary payback for the pelts - plus my deposit. I was rather sick that my pelts were gone and didn't want some other pelt, so I asked for my money back - I still haven't seen it!!! Talk about adding insult to injury. In addition, they won't return my calls. Very frustrating!!! I saw a lot of pelts recently from Bucks County from a fellow jacob breeder and they were gorgeous! I believe turn around was decent as well. Shannon Phifer Kenleigh Acres Farm www.kenleigh-acres.com That'll Do Photography www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aztreaz at earthlink.net Sun Oct 12 18:28:29 2008 From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:28:29 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelt processors Message-ID: <410-2200810012222829578@earthlink.net> >I guess I'll never see any of my pelts. I have one at Lonestar and three at Stern's. It's abit disappointing as this is the first year I've sent pelts >out. > >Linda ========= You *might* see the Lonestar sheepskin again, perhaps by summer of 2009, that would be a 2 year turnaround.. A friend of mine sells sheepskins at our Farmer's Market and on her website. She does not like Bucks. She told me that they cut the pelts smaller than what she sends. I suppose they come out looking like rectangles where the leg parts have been cut off. Is this true? Lonestar leaves the leg parts on, even if they are quite long. I have a pelt ready to send to Bucks because they are the only processors left that I know about. Another friend lost sheepskins in the Sterns fire. They were from sheep that meant a lot to her so it was an emotional loss as well. Cathy Moscow, Idaho From lasell at lasell.org Sun Oct 12 18:47:46 2008 From: lasell at lasell.org (Lasell J. Bartlett) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:47:46 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Pelt processors In-Reply-To: <410-2200810012222829578@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200810012222829578@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Oct 12, 2008, at 6:28 PM, ARTHUR PARTRIDGE wrote: > She told me that they cut the pelts > smaller than what she sends. I suppose they come out looking like > rectangles where the leg parts have been cut off. Is this true? We use Bucks and they do not look strictly like rectangles. I will pay attention when I pick up the pelts from the butcher later this week because I don't know if what we get back (eventually -- they are not really fast!) from Bucks is any different from what we get back from our butcher. 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URL: From guschi73 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 19:42:36 2008 From: guschi73 at yahoo.com (Gooch) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] Sterns et al Message-ID: <148174.55911.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I really hope the comment about a class action lawsuit wasn't serious... After the fire, Sterns was denied the right to rebuild on their historic location where the factory was founded since "it didn't fit into the plan of the city". Read that as, "we want a more upscale clientele now, we don't want a factory taking up valuable waterfront, even if it WAS there first and helped get our city started." And I remember hearing that they had a ton of insurance issues. So Jeff started looking for another place and hopefully has found a spot in Milwaukee. But this isn't the kind of business that is easy to locate and he's had a lot of hurdles to jump trying to get permits. I haven't had a chance to talk to him lately- maybe I'll have to give him a call this week. Perhaps he isn't the best at communication, but from what I'm hearing, neither are the other companies. Maybe it's the nature of the type of people that work in the tanning industry? I know we have another tanning company about 15 miles from my house. They do a good job on deer hides. They won't touch sheepskin. And they are swamped doing the other hides. Sound familiar? Shel ~*~*~*~*~*~ ~ Goochland Acres ~ ~ Asylum Farm ~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aztreaz at earthlink.net Sun Oct 12 21:11:35 2008 From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:11:35 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] In defense of Stern Tanning Message-ID: <410-220081011311135531@earthlink.net> I told my friend about the problems with Stern Tanning. I didn't send any emails or forward anyone's name or email address. This is her response: > I can understand that this person is upset. Fires do happen, and unless >someone is an arsonist, I do not feel that Jeff > Stern is to blame here. He has been trying very hard for all this time to > get up and running again. After all, he has no income if he is not in > business. And, with everything burned, who knows what happened to these > records of receipts? I was fortunate to get all mine processed and returned > before the fire. I have been in contact with him about monthly as to the > progress of his starting up again. If anyone is to blame, it is the #^*@+% > environmentalists who put so many barriers up for starting up new businesses > again. He has been having to jump through all the hoops to appease all the > requirements and legislation that he has been presented with. One permit > after another. Plus, getting insurance payouts for losses is no fast feat. > I personally admire him for putting up with all the crap of getting started > up again. I know if it were me, I wouldn't do it. He is very committed to > his vocation. > > Having had sheepskins processed by other tanneries, I will be patient and > wait for him to mine again. I have sent in 26 or 27 skins so far and I am > sure I will get them all back as he gets rolling again. Perhaps these > people should look into sending them to San Francisco, which go to Asia > somewhere, and it takes a YEAR TO BE RETURNED at a much higher price. I > know it hurts to lose a special skin that you have personally raised and > were looking forward to having tanned and enjoying it. There are kits that > people can do this deed themselves, so maybe this person should look into > that. > >You have waited for a long time for the skins you sent somewhere. I have >had many requests at Market for sheepskins and the bottom line of not having >any to sell has hurt me badly to the tune of about $2,000 this year at >Market. But, this is not Jeff's fault. People need to be patient and try >to be understanding. > >The bottom line is: I will send to Jeff Stern again and again. End of >tale. From honeybucket at comcast.net Sun Oct 12 22:36:36 2008 From: honeybucket at comcast.net (Patty B) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] In defense of Stern Tanning In-Reply-To: <410-220081011311135531@earthlink.net> References: <410-220081011311135531@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9838A27D291941A0B99934DEDED956F5@coyotebook> I am sorry but I have to respond to this. I don't see any mention of the very poor financial offerings that have been made to those of us who sent our skins to be processed, nor to the issue of his not responding to inquiries of what is happening, nor (and I didn't mention this earlier) the fact that no place on his website for months after the fire was there any mention of the fact that the fire occurred and he was unable to do ANY processing. IN addition, I was informed that my skins(and many other SHEEP sknis) were in a building that HAD NO INSURANCE coverage. Not so for the skins of game animals. What kind of responsible businessman conducts his business like that? I am truly sorry for his loss but I also have experienced a loss, as have many of his other customers. The location in San Francisco did NOT take a year for return---I got skins back in several months. I've never had to wait lengthy times like I did at Stern. Right now I'm not butchering my sheep so where to send skins is not an issue. But I do think we have the responsibility to share information about problems we have had and let others make up their own minds as to whom to use. Patty Berke Flying Coyote Farm -----Original Message----- From: jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com [mailto:jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com] On Behalf Of ARTHUR PARTRIDGE Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:12 PM To: jacob-list Subject: [Jacob-list] In defense of Stern Tanning I told my friend about the problems with Stern Tanning. I didn't send any emails or forward anyone's name or email address. This is her response: > I can understand that this person is upset. Fires do happen, and unless >someone is an arsonist, I do not feel that Jeff > Stern is to blame here. He has been trying very hard for all this time to > get up and running again. After all, he has no income if he is not in > business. And, with everything burned, who knows what happened to these > records of receipts? I was fortunate to get all mine processed and returned > before the fire. I have been in contact with him about monthly as to the > progress of his starting up again. If anyone is to blame, it is the #^*@+% > environmentalists who put so many barriers up for starting up new businesses > again. He has been having to jump through all the hoops to appease all the > requirements and legislation that he has been presented with. One permit > after another. Plus, getting insurance payouts for losses is no fast feat. > I personally admire him for putting up with all the crap of getting started > up again. I know if it were me, I wouldn't do it. He is very committed to > his vocation. > > Having had sheepskins processed by other tanneries, I will be patient and > wait for him to mine again. I have sent in 26 or 27 skins so far and I am > sure I will get them all back as he gets rolling again. Perhaps these > people should look into sending them to San Francisco, which go to Asia > somewhere, and it takes a YEAR TO BE RETURNED at a much higher price. I > know it hurts to lose a special skin that you have personally raised and > were looking forward to having tanned and enjoying it. There are kits that > people can do this deed themselves, so maybe this person should look into > that. > >You have waited for a long time for the skins you sent somewhere. I have >had many requests at Market for sheepskins and the bottom line of not having >any to sell has hurt me badly to the tune of about $2,000 this year at >Market. But, this is not Jeff's fault. People need to be patient and try >to be understanding. > >The bottom line is: I will send to Jeff Stern again and again. End of >tale. _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Mon Oct 13 06:21:45 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:21:45 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] In defense of Stern Tanning In-Reply-To: <410-220081011311135531@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2008101362145.822312@Linda-PC> I'm not upset with Stern's. I do expect to get my hides back at some point. When I asked sent the pelts, they told me they were accepting pelts, but not yet tanning. I asked if they would be ready by SAFF and they said "probably not". I haven't tried to contact them again, although may this week, just in case they are done. I am upset with Lone Star for saying the pelt would be ready in July (this was in June) and then not replying to emails or sending the pelt. SAFF is a hefty investment and pelts are one of the high dollar items that help to keep SAFF a feasible endeavor for me. I was counting on at least that one pelt. Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn I told my friend about the problems with Stern Tanning. I didn't send any emails or forward anyone's name or email address. This is her response: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hannah at knoxfarms.com Mon Oct 13 09:43:36 2008 From: hannah at knoxfarms.com (Hannah) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] Sterns et al In-Reply-To: <148174.55911.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <148174.55911.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56117.64.40.83.53.1223905416.squirrel@kit.rc4systems.net> > I really hope the comment about a class action lawsuit wasn't serious... > not at all. I have no bones with them or rather, pelts. I've just been following the thread... > After the fire, Sterns was denied the right to rebuild on their historic > location where the factory was founded since "it didn't fit into the plan > of the city". Read that as, "we want a more upscale clientele now, we > don't want a factory taking up valuable waterfront, even if it WAS there > first and helped get our city started." And I remember hearing that they > had a ton of insurance issues. So Jeff started looking for another place > and hopefully has found a spot in Milwaukee. But this isn't the kind of > business that is easy to locate and he's had a lot of hurdles to jump > trying to get permits. I haven't had a chance to talk to him lately- > maybe I'll have to give him a call this week. > > Perhaps he isn't the best at communication, but from what I'm hearing, > neither are the other companies. Maybe it's the nature of the type of > people that work in the tanning industry? I know we have another tanning > company about 15 miles from my house. They do a good job on deer hides. > They won't touch sheepskin. And they are swamped doing the other hides. > Sound familiar? > > Shel > > ~*~*~*~*~*~ > ~ Goochland Acres ~ > > ~ Asylum Farm ~ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > -- Knox Farms All Natural Goat's Milk Soaps Heritage Breed Livestock and Some That We Just Like Say NO! to National Animal ID System! http://nonais.org Member Friends of Traditional Farming http://fotfarm.org Blog blog.knoxfarms.com From rlynde at onramp113.org Mon Oct 13 10:46:43 2008 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:46:43 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] question about pelts References: Message-ID: I've thought that storage of fresh pelts until shipping would be a problem --- do you salt them? freeze them? They need to be salted and allowed to dry before you ship them. Thanks, Sue Susan Donoghue, VMD Walkabout Farm "We receive the world as a gift, we accept the world as a mission, and we breathe in the world as we breathe in hope." Servant of God Cardinal Francis Xavier Nguyen Van Thuan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hannah at knoxfarms.com Mon Oct 13 12:25:14 2008 From: hannah at knoxfarms.com (Hannah) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] Yarn Sale Message-ID: <56720.64.40.83.53.1223915114.squirrel@kit.rc4systems.net> http://yarny-goodness.com/store/goodness This site is having a one day sale TODAY!!! Pretty soon they will have my soap on their site. They have a really good selection of yarns and supplies. I like the knitting needle jewelry and the crochet hook on a key ring. From kenleighacres at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 12:27:38 2008 From: kenleighacres at yahoo.com (Shannon Phifer) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] In defense of Stern Tanning Message-ID: <893083.66938.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I also feel I need to respond to this - I am past the pelts and past the pitiful amount they offered - my problem is the deposit I sent for the pelts. This money should have been returned immediately!!! I also agree that all of the buildings with pelts should have been insured. I know unfortunate things happen and I do feel bad for Jeff, but I also believe there is an ethical way to do business and I don't feel he has followed through. Shannon Phifer Kenleigh Acres Farm www.kenleigh-acres.com That'll Do Photography www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com Message: 6 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:36:36 -0700 From: "Patty B" Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] In defense of Stern Tanning To: , "'jacob-list'" Message-ID: <9838A27D291941A0B99934DEDED956F5 at coyotebook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am sorry but I have to respond to this. I don't see any mention of the very poor financial offerings that have been made to those of us who sent our skins to be processed, nor to the issue of his not responding to inquiries of what is happening, nor (and I didn't mention this earlier) the fact that no place on his website for months after the fire was there any mention of the fact that the fire occurred and he was unable to do ANY processing. IN addition, I was informed that my skins(and many other SHEEP sknis) were in a building that HAD NO INSURANCE coverage. Not so for the skins of game animals. What kind of responsible businessman conducts his business like that? I am truly sorry for his loss but I also have experienced a loss, as have many of his other customers. The location in San Francisco did NOT take a year for return---I got skins back in several months. I've never had to wait lengthy times like I did at Stern. Right now I'm not butchering my sheep so where to send skins is not an issue. But I do think we have the responsibility to share information about problems we have had and let others make up their own minds as to whom to use. Patty Berke Flying Coyote Farm -----Original Message----- From: jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com [mailto:jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com] On Behalf Of ARTHUR PARTRIDGE Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:12 PM To: jacob-list Subject: [Jacob-list] In defense of Stern Tanning I told my friend about the problems with Stern Tanning. I didn't send any emails or forward anyone's name or email address. This is her response: > I can understand that this person is upset. Fires do happen, and unless >someone is an arsonist, I do not feel that Jeff > Stern is to blame here. He has been trying very hard for all this time to > get up and running again. After all, he has no income if he is not in > business. And, with everything burned, who knows what happened to these > records of receipts? I was fortunate to get all mine processed and returned > before the fire. I have been in contact with him about monthly as to the > progress of his starting up again. If anyone is to blame, it is the #^*@+% > environmentalists who put so many barriers up for starting up new businesses > again. He has been having to jump through all the hoops to appease all the > requirements and legislation that he has been presented with. One permit > after another. Plus, getting insurance payouts for losses is no fast feat. > I personally admire him for putting up with all the crap of getting started > up again. I know if it were me, I wouldn't do it. He is very committed to > his vocation. > > Having had sheepskins processed by other tanneries, I will be patient and > wait for him to mine again. I have sent in 26 or 27 skins so far and I am > sure I will get them all back as he gets rolling again. Perhaps these > people should look into sending them to San Francisco, which go to Asia > somewhere, and it takes a YEAR TO BE RETURNED at a much higher price. I > know it hurts to lose a special skin that you have personally raised and > were looking forward to having tanned and enjoying it. There are kits that > people can do this deed themselves, so maybe this person should look into > that. > >You have waited for a long time for the skins you sent somewhere. I have >had many requests at Market for sheepskins and the bottom line of not having >any to sell has hurt me badly to the tune of about $2,000 this year at >Market. But, this is not Jeff's fault. People need to be patient and try >to be understanding. > >The bottom line is: I will send to Jeff Stern again and again. End of >tale. _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From info at brenalanfarm.com Mon Oct 13 14:00:07 2008 From: info at brenalanfarm.com (Brenalan Farm) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:00:07 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Sterns/ communication Message-ID: <013501c92d5d$8a0d84c0$0a00a8c0@searlecece725f> I think the thread we have going about Sterns makes a huge point about how important communication is. When there are unhappy customers and their concerns are not answered, they are left thinking nobody cares. Sure- there isn't much Sterns can do to replace pelts, and he probably wishes they had more insurance when the fire happened... but they CAN tell their customers what to expect (e.g. when they will see their deposits refunded) and then live up to what they promise post-fire. As small producers, I think it is important to tell our customers that if they have any problems we want to know and make it right. The customer who will tell us what went wrong gives us a chance to make sure we don't send the same problem to a bunch of other customers either. Brenda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wedohoney at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 13 15:51:50 2008 From: wedohoney at sbcglobal.net (JACI SIEHL) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] Tanners and Customer Service Message-ID: <327279.11100.qm@web80604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sent a Jacob pelt off to Stearns a few years ago and was very pleased with the results, turn around, and customer service.? Then?a couple?years ago I sent 3 deer hides.? Two months after they were due back I started checking on them.? I got the royal run-around, IF I got to actually speak to someone.? Every time I called I got a different excuse.? I finally got the hides back - 6 months late - but they were perfect.? ? I would be happy to use Stearns again, but I sure hope Jeff takes a hint and learns how important customer service is - it actually can make or break a business.? Most people are understanding if you just keep them informed.? My thought at the time was that Jim must have recently lost help or had a huge increase in business because it sure felt like he was over his head. Jaci Siehl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at brenalanfarm.com Mon Oct 13 20:16:15 2008 From: info at brenalanfarm.com (Brenalan Farm) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:16:15 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] bred ewes avail NOW Message-ID: <027301c92d92$12a15d50$0a00a8c0@searlecece725f> I have two yearling ewes available if spoken for before the butcher is out here Thursday morning. Both have been exposed to Kenleigh's Torrent, who was Reserve Champ at both Black Sheep Gathering and Oregon Flock and Fiber Festival this year. We are on the central Oregon coast, can arrange delivery in day trip range. Both make wool nice enough for spinning, neither is very exceptional for a breeder. One is britchy, one is freckled, both are uneven with more crimp at the shoulder than the hind end. Mitzie has an exceptional, outgoing personality and 4 horns. She has been a celebrity at fairs and shows for being friendly with visitors. She is my very favorite in my flock. (Sigh.) Paisley is a nice ewe, easy to handle, 2H. Mitzy is out of Puddleduck and Bideawee lines, Paisley out of Bideawee and Kenleigh. Mitzy's full sister, Misty (2008 ewe lamb, not bred, 2H) is also available. I would keep these ewes if headcount was not an issue, but we have a tiny farm so have to make hard decisions about who will be our breeding stock. Prices negotiable. We also have a darling 4H wether coming back- nice, open fleece but forward tipping horns. Another outgoing personality. He sold as a pet, walks on leash, pulls a cart. But baaaahs more than his owner can stand. Fortunately for him, he gets here AFTER the butcher leaves. Would consider sending him to a pet home free... he has an open fleece with a nice hand. Call or email for more info: Brenda Searle 541-336-2158 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlynde at onramp113.org Tue Oct 14 00:07:15 2008 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:07:15 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] CA sheep for sale, delivery possible to OR, WA, ID, MT, WY, CO, NE, IA Message-ID: <5AFCE6ADB524429BAE815EEB5D611DB8@your4dacd0ea75> Bob & Marianne Craft-Norton are making a sheep and donkey delivery trip and will be stopping here (CA) with a donkey. If anyone along their route north and then east back to Iowa would like to buy a Meridian Jacobs sheep, Bob can provide transportation. See my website http://www.meridianjacobs.com/sheep_for_sale.html for ewe lambs that are for sale. I still have several February and March ewe lambs for sale. These are all good size and are with the rams now. I can't guarantee pregnancy, but I can tell you who has been marked. You can see the photos of the rams here: http://www.meridianjacobs.com/sheep.html This is an excellent opportunity to add new genetics to your flock. Take a look at the lambs at the bottom of the ewe lamb page. Those are lambs that were born at the Nursery at the CA State Fair in August. The ones born to Lolita, Ann, and Violet will be weaned this week and ready to go. There are some nice lilac ewe lambs among that group. I can send more photos (including close-ups of fleece) of any of the sheep you might be interested in. If you think you want to buy a sheep we'd need to make arrangements fairly quickly. Bob is planning to leave on his trip sometime next week so I'd need to be able to have vet checks done by the end of next week (23rd or so). Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Sun Oct 19 19:35:01 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:35:01 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Sterns/ communication In-Reply-To: <013501c92d5d$8a0d84c0$0a00a8c0@searlecece725f> Message-ID: <2008101919351.039754@Linda-PC> I started this thread with a question on Lonestar. You are dead on re: how important communication is. It is not the fact that my pelt is not ready that annoys me. It is the fact that they said it would be ready and shipped in July, but that's the last I heard from them. An email to them last week came back with this notice four days ago: "This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: Your message was not delivered because the destination computer was not reachable within the allowed queue period. The amount of time a message is queued before it is returned depends on local configura- tion parameters. Most likely there is a network problem that prevented delivery, but it is also possible that the computer is turned off, or does not have a mail system running right now. Your message was not delivered within 2 days and 0 hours. Host lonestarfurdressing.com is not responding." The same message came again today. As a small producer, I certainly want to hear from my sheep/yarn/fiber/etc customers about any problems. Good news is always welcome, too :-). As a customer, I suppose I have gotten spoiled by dealing with other Jacob Sheep breeders. Buying sheep sight unseen is a bit nerve wracking for me and I do tend to ask for lots of pictures (and then lots more .. "would you mind zooming into that curve on the horn?" "how about a close up of his testicles?" "could you peel that eyelid up abit?" "send pictures of his/her mother/sister/daughter"). I don't expect quite the communication that I've come to expect from Jacob Sheep breeders - but I do expect SOME communication! Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn I think the thread we have going about Sterns makes a huge point about how important communication is. When there are unhappy customers and their concerns are not answered, they are left thinking nobody cares. Sure- there isn't much Sterns can do to replace pelts, and he probably wishes they had more insurance when the fire happened... but they CAN tell their customers what to expect (e.g. when they will see their deposits refunded) and then live up to what they promise post-fire. As small producers, I think it is important to tell our customers that if they have any problems we want to know and make it right. The customer who will tell us what went wrong gives us a chance to make sure we don't send the same problem to a bunch of other customers either. Brenda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hannah at knoxfarms.com Mon Oct 27 14:40:04 2008 From: hannah at knoxfarms.com (Hannah) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] Soap Sale! Message-ID: <57824.64.40.83.53.1225132804.squirrel@kit.rc4systems.net> October 27-29 you can buy All Natural Goat's Milk Soaps and other handmade items from Yarny Goodness with a 20% discount! Go here: http://yarny-goodness.com/store/goodness?y=vendor;vid=142 From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Wed Oct 29 21:31:26 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] my first sheep show Message-ID: <20081029213126.203409@Linda-PC> Well, not really my first, as I got to show PW Madison at MSWF (thanks, Royal). But the first where I went through the entire process of entering, halter breaking, transporting, and dragging a sheep around the show ring. It was the first ever dedicated Jacob Sheep classes at SAFF, although Jacobs have been shown at SAFF since the first SAFF (Neal Grose won GC Ram at the first SAFF with a Jacob). We filled the classes and there will be Jacob classes again next year. Thank you to every one that supported us in getting this done. I realize that in some parts of the country only children show sheep. (joke). After seeing how much fun everyone was having showing sheep at SAFF, I can only say that we must all be child-like here in this part of the country. There were no winners or losers, although there were first place through last place sheep. We all won as we all learned and we all had FUN! Since I'm also a vendor at SAFF along with Cathy of Perfect Spot, I had limited room in my mini-van so only carried two ewe lambs - both entered in the same class, of course. Royal also entered more sheep than he and Sue could show. A big part of the fun was in getting so many people involved in the showing as we handed lead lines to anyone that would take one. A high point for me was that Arianna didn't lie down in the show ring, as she has been prone to do at home! As much fun as it was and as much I enjoyed hearing the judge's comments, I have to say that I still can't take show placings very seriously. My ewes placed pretty well in the ewe lamb class (2nd and 3rd), but there was a ewe lamb that placed down near the bottom that I consider an excellent example of a primitive Jacob and would love to have in my flock. The ~20 Jacobs at SAFF attracted alot of attention and two people went home as new Jacob owners and a few more went home with JSBA membership applications. My Google alert has come up with three references to Jacobs at SAFF. The show was definitely a success in promoting our breed. 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