From countylinepets at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 1 01:17:18 2008 From: countylinepets at sbcglobal.net (Karen M. Askounis) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:17:18 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] new member Message-ID: Hi list members - I'm not exactly new to the list but have been reading for a bit now. I finally have my website up so I thought it was a good time to introduce myself. Like Susan who recently joined I am a veterinarian (although not retired) and have done small animals since graduation 20 some years ago. Rusty on my sheep medicine but getting better daily! I am a solo practitioner so time is of a premium. I have a small flock 10 ewes and 1 ram and planning to add a second ram. I have to tell you all that when we starting looking at sheep breeds and decided to choose one on the ALBC I contacted several breed organizations of breeds we were interested in and several breeders of each breed. Jacob breeders were hands down the most welcoming and informative! You love your sheep and really want to promote the breed. I also have to say that JSBA is an outstandingly organized breed association. I think this list is a wonderful forum. I actually tried to join another breed organization three times, they apparently lsot the first 2 checks for membership and it took over 1 year to become a member! Congratulations on a great job - its clear it is alot of work! to finish introductions - we have a 22 acre farm south of Chicago in Illinois near the Indiana border. We are interesting in providing primarily breeding stock and quality fleeces. We are offering for sale most of our 2008 (and first) lamb crop for sale. Please check out our web site www.threefatesjacobs.com. any suggestions for marketing fleeces? I really am not free to go to sheep and wool shows with a booth. I am going to try to attend the Michigan Sheep and Wool festival if I can swing it. Thanks again for all you hard work for the jacob breed. Karen Askounis kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Tue Jul 1 06:18:37 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:18:37 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] ewe lambs for sale Message-ID: <20087161837.060555@patchwor-efob1t> Just two left - check them out at: http://www.patchworkfibers.com/2008SheepForSale.htm Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ncd at mitre.org Tue Jul 1 08:17:45 2008 From: ncd at mitre.org (Donnangelo, Nick) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:17:45 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Abnormal tooth in ram Message-ID: <90A462F2D6E869478007CD2F65DE877C0263C34A@IMCSRV5.MITRE.ORG> Our 2 y.o. 4 horn ram Pidder came over the fence a few days back to get his head scratched. As I rubbed his neck and ears I was surprised to see a single huge incisior tooth in his mouth of otherwise normal teeth. This single tooth is probably three times the width of his normal teeth. His bite seems ok, and he is eating well, just looks very odd... Have others seen this? Any recommendations? Thanks, Nick Donnangelo Shiloh Manor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paintedrockfarm at aol.com Tue Jul 1 08:26:46 2008 From: paintedrockfarm at aol.com (Cheryl) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:26:46 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] new member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAA98CDD092C35-494-6A6@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> Welcome, Karen! Looking forward to your contributions on the list and, of course, looking at your website! Cheryl in WV http://paintedrockfarm.blogspot.com http://www.paintedrockfarm.com If you want to see God's power at work, you must get out of the church and into the world. Watch the extravagant lengths which God will go to reveal Himself to people who don't know Him. Then you will learn how truly awesome our God is. (Author Unknown) -----Original Message----- From: Karen M. Askounis To: Jacob List Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 1:17 am Subject: [Jacob-list] new member Hi list members - I'm not exactly new to the list but have been reading for a bit now. I finally have my website up so I thought it was a good time to introduce myself. Like Susan who recently joined I am a veterinarian (although not retired) and have done small animals since graduation 20 some years ago. Rusty on my sheep medicine but getting better daily! I am a solo practitioner so time is of a premium. I have a small flock 10 ewes and 1 ram and planning to add a second ram. I have to tell you all that when we starting looking at sheep breeds and decided to choose one on the ALBC I contacted several breed organizations of breeds we were interested in and several breeders of each breed. Jacob breeders were hands down the most welcoming and informative! You love your sheep and really want to promote the breed. I also have to say that JSBA is an outstandingly organized breed association. I think this list is a wonderful forum. I actually tried to join another breed organization three times, they apparently lsot the first 2 checks for membership and it took over 1 year to become a member! Congratulations on a great job - its clear it is alot of work! to finish introductions - we have a 22 acre farm south of Chicago in Illinois near the Indiana border. We are interesting in providing primarily breeding stock and quality fleeces. We are offering for sale most of our 2008 (and first) lamb crop for sale. Please check out our web site www.threefatesjacobs.com. any suggestions for marketing fleeces? I really am not free to go to sheep and wool shows with a booth. I am going to try to attend the Michigan Sheep and Wool festival if I can swing it. Thanks again for all you hard work for the jacob breed. Karen Askounis kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenleighacres at yahoo.com Wed Jul 2 13:27:17 2008 From: kenleighacres at yahoo.com (Shannon Phifer) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] JSBA AGM Raffle Message-ID: <580503.21947.qm@web51001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone - We have received some wonderful raffle items for this year's AGM! If you haven't looked at the raffle page recently, you can see it here - http://www.kenleigh-acres.com/Raffle.htm You can designate what items you would like your tickets to go towards. PayPal is accepted and checks can be mailed to - 83136 Rattlesnake Road, Dexter OR 97431 with checks made out to JSBA. Please let me know if you have any questions! Don't miss this opportunity to win some wonderful jacob items! Thanks! Shannon Phifer Kenleigh Acres Farm www.kenleigh-acres.com That'll Do Photography www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com From perfectspot at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 2 18:12:58 2008 From: perfectspot at bellsouth.net (Cathy Robinson) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:12:58 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] For Sale Sheep Message-ID: <486BFD6A.4040908@bellsouth.net> Our sale page has been recently updated with current photos now in place for nearly everyone. The ones that are not updated yet (older photos) are the ones with the green grass! We have several very nice registered 4-horn ewes (3-5 yrs. old) available and some beautiful lambs still for sale. Thanks for looking. Cathy Perfect Spot Farm http://www.patchworkfibers.com/PerfectSpotForSale.html From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Thu Jul 3 06:36:58 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 06:36:58 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] JSBA AGM Raffle In-Reply-To: <580503.21947.qm@web51001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20087363658.076824@patchwor-efob1t> Do we use your email address for PayPal purchases? Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn > Hi Everyone - We have received some wonderful raffle items for this > year's AGM! If you haven't looked at the raffle page recently, you > can see it here - http://www.kenleigh-acres.com/Raffle.htm You can > designate what items you would like your tickets to go towards. > PayPal is accepted and checks can be mailed to - 83136 Rattlesnake > Road, Dexter OR 97431 with checks made out to JSBA. Please let me > know if you have any questions! Don't miss this opportunity to win > some wonderful jacob items! > > Thanks! > > > Shannon Phifer > Kenleigh Acres Farm > www.kenleigh-acres.com > That'll Do Photography > www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & > Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenleighacres at yahoo.com Thu Jul 3 13:39:13 2008 From: kenleighacres at yahoo.com (Shannon Phifer) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] JSBA AGM Raffle Message-ID: <546913.10203.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorry, I left an important piece out - please use kenleighacres at yahoo.com for the e-mail address in Paypal. Again, you can see all of the items at - http://www.kenleigh-acres.com/Raffle.htm Thank you! Shannon Phifer Kenleigh Acres Farm www.kenleigh-acres.com That'll Do Photography www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com From gotothewhip at aol.com Mon Jul 7 17:06:05 2008 From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:06:05 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lambing Questions Message-ID: <8CAAE8C6743A88A-1FC-14BA@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> IM waiting on my last girl to pop and am really pulling my hair out!? I looked thru some archives and couldnt find it, but there was someone that posted a avg lambing date for jacobs.. I know it was more than the 147 days I had been using...... This ewe was covered by the ram on Feb 2nd and she was left with him until Feb 28th? She was ultrasounded in May.? She is carrying at least twins.? Couldnt get an expected date like I normally do, as she wasnt avail so ?I used another vet 147 days frpom the feb 2nd date?was? June 28th. She has been bagged up like a milk cow for a while now.. but not a drop of milk in that udder. Yesterday she had a clear discharge... but nothing.... Last night she showed significant softening in the tailhead Any advice? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Mon Jul 7 17:14:27 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:14:27 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lambing Questions In-Reply-To: <8CAAE8C6743A88A-1FC-14BA@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200877171427.775487@patchwor-efob1t> The average date here is 149 days, but I've had some go 153 and one 154. I think the older ewes have a tendency to bag up sooner and heavier. By discharge, do you mean the mucous plug? One vet told me it could be as long as 48 hours after that and I did have one go 48 hours (she must have read the same book the vet did) before an easy, no problem delivery. I'd think pretty soon if you're seeing softening. Good luck - let us know how it turns out. www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn > IM waiting on my last girl to pop and am really pulling my hair out! > I looked thru some archives and couldnt find it, but there was > someone that posted a avg lambing date for jacobs.. I know it was > more than the 147 days I had been using...... > > This ewe was covered by the ram on Feb 2nd and she was left with > him until Feb 28th > > She was ultrasounded in May. She is carrying at least twins. > Couldnt get an expected date like I normally do, as she wasnt avail > so I used another vet > > 147 days frpom the feb 2nd date was June 28th. > > She has been bagged up like a milk cow for a while now.. but not a > drop of milk in that udder. > > Yesterday she had a clear discharge... but nothing.... > > Last night she showed significant softening in the tailhead > > Any advice?The Famous, the infamous, the lame - in your browser. > Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pcj at efn.org Tue Jul 8 09:14:02 2008 From: pcj at efn.org (Penelope) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:14:02 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] gulf island spinning mill Message-ID: <4873681A.2040508@efn.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlynde at onramp113.org Tue Jul 8 10:19:38 2008 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:19:38 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob meeting deadline extended References: <8CAAE8C6743A88A-1FC-14BA@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002c01c8e105$a7c8a610$6401a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> I'd like to remind everyone of JSBA's AGM (Annual General Meeting). You don't have to be a JSBA member to attend and we've extended the deadline for registration! We have wonderful speakers arranged and there will be an opportunity to meet people and buy sheep from other parts of the country. Topics include: Lambing time Pasture/range management Fencing and water strategies Results of Jacob sheep fiber research study Jacob products and marketing Inspector's clinic Wool show judging For $50 you get all of this plus 5 meals! What a deal! For more info go to www.jsba.org There is also a raffle with great prizes. You can participate in that even if you don't attend. http://www.kenleigh-acres.com/Raffle.htm Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlynde at onramp113.org Tue Jul 8 10:23:06 2008 From: rlynde at onramp113.org (Robin Lynde) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:23:06 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob meeting--oops! References: <8CAAE8C6743A88A-1FC-14BA@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003601c8e106$23980d80$6401a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> I forgot to say that the meeting is August 8-10 in Dixon, CA. Robin Lynde Meridian Jacobs Vacaville, CA www.meridianjacobs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From countylinepets at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 8 15:03:28 2008 From: countylinepets at sbcglobal.net (Karen Askounis, DVM) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:03:28 -0500 Subject: [Jacob-list] wooly eye Message-ID: Hi list members I have a kind a survey for you. I had one lamb this year with a dermoid. It is an area at the edge of the cornea (at the junction of the clear area and white area of the eye)that is growing wool. These occur in many species. They contain the wrong cell types for the area and usually grow hair or in this case wool. I found a reference that it is inherited in Hereford cattle but is not considered inherited in dogs. Our local ophthalmologist has removed one from a Jacob in the past but could not find an answer in her references regarding whether this would be considered inheritable. Well we will not be using him for breeding just in case but I thought I would see if any of you have had this occur and if so did you recognize is as more frequent in certain lines etc.. Karen Askounis kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com From pcj at efn.org Tue Jul 8 23:57:01 2008 From: pcj at efn.org (Penelope) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:57:01 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] wooly eye In-Reply-To: <1943804.1215544007730.JavaMail.root@m04> References: <1943804.1215544007730.JavaMail.root@m04> Message-ID: <4874370D.3080201@efn.org> Karen Askounis, DVM wrote: > Hi list members > > I have a kind a survey for you. I had one lamb this year with a dermoid. It > is an area at the edge of the cornea (at the junction of the clear area and > white area of the eye)that is growing wool. These occur in many species. > They contain the wrong cell types for the area and usually grow hair or in > this case wool. I found a reference that it is inherited in Hereford cattle > but is not considered inherited in dogs. Our local ophthalmologist has > removed one from a Jacob in the past but could not find an answer in her > references regarding whether this would be considered inheritable. Well we > will not be using him for breeding just in case but I thought I would see if > any of you have had this occur and if so did you recognize is as more > frequent in certain lines etc.. > > We had one lamb that had what sounds like this condition. We observed it at shearing time, when we collected all the lambs we hadn't already laid hands on to check them out, made a note that we would cull her later in the year, and that we didn't think much of her wool anyway. She appeared to be blind in that eye, but not in any discomfort. Our shearer, who had experience with many sheep, had not seen it before. At this point I'm thinking that it must have been an exceptionally rough year ... I don't remember what year it was but it could well have been shortly after our house fire which would explain why I didn't simply cart her in to a vet later that week. That would make sense because the next year we had friends from our daughter's school at shearing with us with the good shearer, the year after we had a horrible shearer, and then there was this year. So that was spring 2004, sometime in April, and our house fire was Mar 5. Sorry to digress. -- penelope jacob pcj at efn.org www.dreamsandbones.net/blog From stcroft at ptd.net Wed Jul 9 07:05:03 2008 From: stcroft at ptd.net (Susan J Martin) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 07:05:03 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Parasite question Message-ID: <001401c8e1b3$a350b470$7ccf9818@Ultra> Tapeworm segments are often seen in the manure of affected sheep.........do any other types of worms "reveal themselves" by segments in the manure? In other words, do worm segments in the manure always indicate tapes? Thanks. Sue Martin Stonecroft -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jacobflock at aol.com Thu Jul 10 15:07:14 2008 From: Jacobflock at aol.com (Jacobflock at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:07:14 EDT Subject: [Jacob-list] wooly eye Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/2008 10:57:38 PM Central Daylight Time, pcj at efn.org writes: > Karen Askounis, DVM wrote: > >Hi list members > > > >I have a kind a survey for you. I had one lamb this year with a dermoid. It > >is an area at the edge of the cornea (at the junction of the clear area and > >white area of the eye)that is growing wool. These occur in many species. > >They contain the wrong cell types for the area and usually grow hair or in > >this case wool. I found a reference that it is inherited in Hereford cattle > >but is not considered inherited in dogs. Our local ophthalmologist has > >removed one from a Jacob in the past but could not find an answer in her > >references regarding whether this would be considered inheritable. Well we > >will not be using him for breeding just in case but I thought I would see > if > >any of you have had this occur and if so did you recognize is as more > >frequent in certain lines etc.. > > > > > We had one lamb that had what sounds like this condition. We observed > it at shearing time, when we collected all the lambs we hadn't already > laid hands on to check them out, made a note that we would cull her > later in the year, and that we didn't think much of her wool anyway. > She appeared to be blind in that eye, but not in any discomfort. Our > shearer, who had experience with many sheep, had not seen it before. > With two reports of dermoid cysts it might be a positive step for the Jacob breed and conservation breeders to consider a continuing review. Let me digress. If a primary flock goal is the conservation of the breed, then deleterious congenital defects and source(s) should be more fully identified. There may be a role for the vet pathologist and and eye specialist. If "wooly eye" is a genetic recessive I suspect it should be curtailed for the sake of the breed; if not then a cause may be identified for the "wooly eye"/hair shaft adnexa. If conservation of the breed is not a top priority a repairable congenital defect may not seem like a big deal. Hair and associated glands (sweat, etc) come from "primary follicles"; wool comes from the surrounding "secondary follicles". That is, and this may be germaine, the Jacob is a primitve breed having a greater number of primary folilces per square cm. at birth than some other breeds ... and we know that for every primary follicle there are an associated 10-15 secondary folicles which produce wool. Which leads to the question .... does "wooly eye" have associated priamry hair follicles? Is "wooly eye" in the subject Jacobs comparable to the Suffolk and Merino? Both incidents of "wooly eye" reported are noted as "cull sheep". This may be the dead end that leads to the "Impressive Syndrome" and HYPP. You will get a better glimpse into this hairy mess if the breeding is repeated ... perhaps several breedings. The subjects ram and ewe should be rebred to see if the problem can be repeated; if so, the parents are probably problem carriers ... and then you look to their parents ... etc. Are there lines or source sheep? Forget about the flock name prefix, go to pedigree tables. Does your source flock shepherd ... they came from somewhere ... have any insight. I told you I was digressing ... it's your own fault if you made it this far. Fred Horak St. Jude's Farm 1165 E. Lucas Roaad Lucas, TX 75002 ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walkabout at pemtel.net Thu Jul 10 15:15:38 2008 From: walkabout at pemtel.net (Susan Donoghue) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:15:38 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] wooly eye In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting. Can you please supply the resource (text, journal, or internet, etc) reporting dermoids in a Suffolk and a Merino? My only reference on dermoids in small ruminants (goats) has linked the problem hypothetically to poisonous plant (mimosa) ingestion during a critical period of gestation. Thanks. regards, Sue Susan Donoghue, VMD, DiplACVN Walkabout Farm On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:07 PM, Jacobflock at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/8/2008 10:57:38 PM Central Daylight Time, > pcj at efn.org writes: > >> Karen Askounis, DVM wrote: >> >Hi list members >> > >> >I have a kind a survey for you. I had one lamb this year with a >> dermoid. It >> >is an area at the edge of the cornea (at the junction of the >> clear area and >> >white area of the eye)that is growing wool. These occur in many >> species. >> >They contain the wrong cell types for the area and usually grow >> hair or in >> >this case wool. I found a reference that it is inherited in >> Hereford cattle >> >but is not considered inherited in dogs. Our local >> ophthalmologist has >> >removed one from a Jacob in the past but could not find an answer >> in her >> >references regarding whether this would be considered >> inheritable. Well we >> >will not be using him for breeding just in case but I thought I >> would see if >> >any of you have had this occur and if so did you recognize is as >> more >> >frequent in certain lines etc.. >> > >> > >> We had one lamb that had what sounds like this condition. We >> observed >> it at shearing time, when we collected all the lambs we hadn't >> already >> laid hands on to check them out, made a note that we would cull her >> later in the year, and that we didn't think much of her wool anyway. >> She appeared to be blind in that eye, but not in any discomfort. Our >> shearer, who had experience with many sheep, had not seen it before. > > > With two reports of dermoid cysts it might be a positive step for > the Jacob breed and conservation breeders to consider a continuing > review. Let me digress. > > If a primary flock goal is the conservation of the breed, then > deleterious congenital defects and source(s) should be more fully > identified. There may be a role for the vet pathologist and and eye > specialist. If "wooly eye" is a genetic recessive I suspect it > should be curtailed for the sake of the breed; if not then a cause > may be identified for the "wooly eye"/hair shaft adnexa. If > conservation of the breed is not a top priority a repairable > congenital defect may not seem like a big deal. > > Hair and associated glands (sweat, etc) come from "primary > follicles"; wool comes from the surrounding "secondary follicles". > That is, and this may be germaine, the Jacob is a primitve breed > having a greater number of primary folilces per square cm. at birth > than some other breeds ... and we know that for every primary > follicle there are an associated 10-15 secondary folicles which > produce wool. Which leads to the question .... does "wooly eye" > have associated priamry hair follicles? Is "wooly eye" in the > subject Jacobs comparable to the Suffolk and Merino? > > Both incidents of "wooly eye" reported are noted as "cull sheep". > This may be the dead end that leads to the "Impressive Syndrome" > and HYPP. You will get a better glimpse into this hairy mess if > the breeding is repeated ... perhaps several breedings. The > subjects ram and ewe should be rebred to see if the problem can be > repeated; if so, the parents are probably problem carriers ... and > then you look to their parents ... etc. Are there lines or source > sheep? Forget about the flock name prefix, go to pedigree tables. > Does your source flock shepherd ... they came from somewhere ... > have any insight. > > I told you I was digressing ... it's your own fault if you made it > this far. > > > Fred Horak > St. Jude's Farm > 1165 E. Lucas Roaad > Lucas, TX 75002 > > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks > Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Thu Jul 10 17:52:18 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:52:18 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] my suspicion In-Reply-To: <004b01c8e2d5$fe7b3d20$faad72d8@USER5AFE0954BF> Message-ID: <2008710175218.718962@patchwor-efob1t> I'm also wondering if these white sheep ever develop any pigment at all? Such as eye liner or any muzzle pigment? If not, that would make the "one big spot" theory suspect, I suspect. I've only seen pictures of young lambs and not adults. Would also like to hear from Fred and Neal on this. Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarnis that the tendency or gene or whatever for one big white spot is somewhat recessive and in line breeding, you up the chances that both parents will have the gene for this and so you are more likely to get one with a stringent line breeding situation where the "gene" for all white is on both sides...Of course, I really don't know what I'm talking about...FRED????? NEAL????? Betty, in Vermont,who now has a blog, thanks to help from Walter and Linda. See Betty's blog at http://sheepwoman.wordpress.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jacobflock at aol.com Thu Jul 10 23:01:06 2008 From: Jacobflock at aol.com (Jacobflock at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:01:06 EDT Subject: [Jacob-list] my suspicion Message-ID: Where does this string start ... like I read half an e-mail. Is the question about the difference between S and s (dominant and recessive spotting)? or a recessive that has whitened one side and not the toher? I'm a couple ogf cards short of a full deck. Fred Horak St. Jude's Farm 1165 E. Lucas Road Lucas, TX 75002 ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nlgrose at yadtel.net Fri Jul 11 06:03:29 2008 From: nlgrose at yadtel.net (Neal and Louise Grose) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:03:29 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] my suspicion References: Message-ID: <001a01c8e33d$61e30fc0$6402a8c0@HAL2> Many, many moons ago, we had a black ([double dominant black]JacobX [double recessive black] Corriedale) ewe that was bred to a silver[double recessive "black"] (Cotswold X Finn) ram and produced a white lamb. That is about as close as I can come to a sheep that could be described as "all spot". And I still can't figure out what in .... that was all about. Neal Grose ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacobflock at aol.com To: patchworkfibers at alltel.net ; lambfarm at sover.net ; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] my suspicion Where does this string start ... like I read half an e-mail. Is the question about the difference between S and s (dominant and recessive spotting)? or a recessive that has whitened one side and not the toher? I'm a couple ogf cards short of a full deck. Fred Horak St. Jude's Farm 1165 E. Lucas Road Lucas, TX 75002 ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Fri Jul 11 07:24:29 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:24:29 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] my suspicion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200871172429.090183@patchwor-efob1t> Does the S gene also control facial markings? Or is that a difference gene? Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun YarnWhere does this string start ... like I read half an e-mail. Is the question about the difference between S and s (dominant and recessive spotting)? or a recessive that has whitened one side and not the toher? I'm a couple ogf cards short of a full deck. Fred Horak St. Jude's Farm 1165 E. Lucas Road Lucas, TX 75002 ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikesharikids at yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 08:47:34 2008 From: mikesharikids at yahoo.com (Shari Staines) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <920964.1925.qm@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If anyone would be interested in a very nice yearling proven ram for sale.? You may view his information at this link: ? http://www.patchworkfibers.com/kingsley.html ? ? Near perfectly marked 2 horn with oustanding fleece.? Painted Rock Kingsley. ? He is located in Alpharetta, GA.? I would be?open to a trade for a nicely marked ram that is lilac or lilac carrier. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gotothewhip at aol.com Fri Jul 11 15:37:00 2008 From: gotothewhip at aol.com (gotothewhip at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:37:00 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lamb Constipation Message-ID: <8CAB1A49F0A4E4A-101C-27CD@webmail-me13.sysops.aol.com> View full size View full size View full size Well the twins are improving every hour, and Mom has now come into milk.? Vet says she had no mastitis, but Edema.. no reason for it.. it is just a random deal,? She tested Negative for OPP... so thats not the issue.....He says her age (16 yrs) has nothing to do with it... So that removed some guilt I was feeling.... Babies are too cute.. Both Lilac!? the pics dont show it, but they are a blue-gray lilac.. I had hoped one would be the chocolate color of Mom... but I will take what I have! .? I am still force feeding a bottle.. they suck pretty good once I pry their little mouths open.. I thought they were OK on mom, but I think they are still a bit slow getting around.. they nurse her well, but are not getting enough, and were NOT gaining.. and the ewe lamb got real sleepy and sedate yesterday, so we are back on the bottles.. I can only get about 2 oz down each of them every 4 hours.... going to try to push it to 6 hrs now, maybe they will be a bit more hungry.? They each gained 3 oz since yesterday.. Not quite enough, but not loosing either.? They are both 6 lbs 12 oz today!? The little boy has gained the most, as he was 8oz smaller at birth. Both lamb have very thick poop.. its like a cross between hot glue and carmel taffy.? Im keeping their bumms wiped as it turns to concrete quickly.. I saw Mom trying to clean it off.. but to no avail......I read in a book to use 1 TBS of Castor Oil... Any input on this?? Im going to put some desitin on their butts today, and see if that helps with the stick factor of the poop..... Jennifer Tucker www.MooseMtnRanch.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Fri Jul 11 16:22:14 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:22:14 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lamb Constipation In-Reply-To: <8CAB1A49F0A4E4A-101C-27CD@webmail-me13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2008711162214.429952@patchwor-efob1t> Congratulations on two pretty lambs! I read the same thing in a book about the castor oil and spent the next few days fighting a back case of diarrhea. Sometimes I get lambs with that hot glue/carmel taffy (good description). If I need to, I just put a warm, soapy rag on it for a bit and clip it off. It never seems to last more than a day or two. I think I'd start by trying something gentler than castor oil and definitely less than 1 tbs to start. I like to use a little olive oil if anything is needed. The vet told me that olive oil may not be the best for constipation because it's digestible, but unless there's something life threatening going, I like to try something mild to start with. And I think olive oil is good for just about anything :-) (it got the fish hook all the way through my cat with no ill effects) Your lambs aren't actually constipated, they just need a little softener, I think. Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn Both lamb have very thick poop.. its like a cross between hot glue and carmel taffy. Im keeping their bumms wiped as it turns to concrete quickly.. I saw Mom trying to clean it off.. but to no avail......I read in a book to use 1 TBS of Castor Oil... Any input on this? Im going to put some desitin on their butts today, and see if that helps with the stick factor of the poop..... Jennifer Tucker www.MooseMtnRanch.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gone2thedawgs at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 15:23:31 2008 From: gone2thedawgs at gmail.com (Tammy Knight) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:23:31 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] ewes and ewe lamb for sale Message-ID: <3d875c990807121223i590176aerba1952b93b591860@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I am selling a couple of my ewes and a ewe lamb that I had intended on keeping but I have bought a small Shetland flock and I have limited acreage. I'm offering the following: Showphar Lana Reg. B004-07 DOB: 3/29/2006 twin 4 horn 60% black $250 obo Greenwater Agnes Reg. C040-02 DOB: 2/26/2002 twin outstanding 4 horn 40% black $175 obo 4 month old 4 horn (broke top and side horn) twin ewe lamb. Out of 4 Horn Farms Dream x Greenwater Ingrid. 30% black $200 obo Possibly will be going to OFFF in Sept. could also possibly catch them a ride down to the AGM. E-mail for pics: gone2thedawgs at gmail.com ph. 360-863-8308 I'm in Monroe, WA Tammy Knight -- "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion." ? Unknown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aztreaz at earthlink.net Sat Jul 12 20:28:35 2008 From: aztreaz at earthlink.net (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:28:35 -0700 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lamb Constipation Message-ID: <410-22008701302835515@earthlink.net> >Both lamb have very thick poop.. its like a cross between hot glue and carmel taffy.? Im keeping their bumms wiped as it turns to ?concrete quickly.. I saw Mom trying to clean it off.. but to no avail......I read in a book to use 1 TBS of Castor Oil... Any input on this?? ?Im going to put some desitin on their butts today, and see if that helps with the stick factor of the poop..... > >Jennifer Tucker >www.MooseMtnRanch.com ============ I had a similar experience with twins from an older ewe. The lamb's backend and down the back legs were covered with lots of thick "hot glue/carmel taffy/gold tar". I thought something was wrong so I looked for answers. I don't remember where I heard the following, but I will pass it on. This happens because mom's milk is very, make that extremely, rich. That means lots of nutrients and/or lots of fatty substances (like when we say that Haagen-Dazs Ice Cream is very rich). Not that the two products are the same of course. This gooey mess isn't that big of a problem and my source said (or wrote) that it isn't necessary to give the lamb anything at the other end (by mouth). In my situation it only lasted a few days. It is difficult to wash this gooey stuff off the lambs so I was told to wash the lambs and then coat the area with an oily substance so the "tar" doesn't stick to the lamb's wool. Petroleum jelly would work well, but then the ewe would lick it off and it is a petroleum product. Maybe it was mineral oil, that might work. Something greasy, yet edible. I don't remember what it was because the problem subsided after a few days and I didn't need to do it. The lambs were just fine. Also, this only happened one year, the ewe went back to having regular colostrum/milk after that. Let us know if the Desitin works. BTW, this is not considered constipation. Lamb constipation is a serious problem when the black-colored meconium isn't expelled from the newborn lamb. Cathy Moscow, Idaho From perfectspot at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 13 12:23:03 2008 From: perfectspot at bellsouth.net (Cathy Robinson) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:23:03 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Sheep for Sale---Transport to Midwest Message-ID: <487A2BE7.1050309@bellsouth.net> Hi All-- We still have several very nice registered adult ewes and lambs for sale. Once again with the extreme drought conditions here, our pasture situation is very critical (second year running). My husband is leaving here (North Carolina) on Thursday (7/17) and traveling to Des Moines, IA. He has the ability to carry some sheep, if there would be interested buyers along his travel route. His planned travel route will be-- Thursday: Asheville, NC to Knoxville, KY to Lexington, KY. At Lexington, he could either travel north to Cincinnati, OH or west to Louisville, KY, then on toward Indianapolis from either of those cities. He plans to spend Thursday night just west of Indianapolis, IN. Friday (7/18): traveling I-74 west, across Illinois to Davenport, IA, then I-80 west to Des Moines. Our sheep for sale can be seen at: http://www.patchworkfibers.com/PerfectSpotForSale.html Pedigree information is available for each by clicking on their name. They are a genetically varied group with many different lines represented. Thanks for looking. Cathy Perfect Spot Farm http://www.patchworkfibers.com/perfectspotfarm.html From kenleighacres at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 12:23:12 2008 From: kenleighacres at yahoo.com (Shannon Phifer) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] Lamb Constipation Message-ID: <415805.14363.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This has been our experience as well! Keep the area cleaned and it should clear up in a day or two. I have a couple ewes that have EXTREMELY rich milk and I have to be careful when I put them in the lambing jug because if I give them extra good food in the first couple days their lambs suffer for it. Shannon Phifer Kenleigh Acres Farm www.kenleigh-acres.com That'll Do Photography www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com I had a similar experience with twins from an older ewe. The lamb's backend and down the back legs were covered with lots of thick "hot glue/carmel taffy/gold tar". I thought something was wrong so I looked for answers. I don't remember where I heard the following, but I will pass it on. This happens because mom's milk is very, make that extremely, rich. That means lots of nutrients and/or lots of fatty substances (like when we say that Haagen-Dazs Ice Cream is very rich). Not that the two products are the same of course. This gooey mess isn't that big of a problem and my source said (or wrote) that it isn't necessary to give the lamb anything at the other end (by mouth). In my situation it only lasted a few days. It is difficult to wash this gooey stuff off the lambs so I was told to wash the lambs and then coat the area with an oily substance so the "tar" doesn't stick to the lamb's wool. Petroleum jelly would work well, but then the ewe would lick it off and it is a petroleum product. Maybe it was mineral oil, that might work. Something greasy, yet edible. I don't remember what it was because the problem subsided after a few days and I didn't need to do it. The lambs were just fine. Also, this only happened one year, the ewe went back to having regular colostrum/milk after that. Let us know if the Desitin works. BTW, this is not considered constipation. Lamb constipation is a serious problem when the black-colored meconium isn't expelled from the newborn lamb. Cathy Moscow, Idaho From perfectspot at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 13 12:31:50 2008 From: perfectspot at bellsouth.net (Cathy Robinson) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:31:50 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Correction Message-ID: <487A2DF6.5000508@bellsouth.net> Oops! Sorry about the typo! Of course, I know that Knoxville is in TN and not KY! :-) Cathy From patchworkfibers at alltel.net Mon Jul 14 06:29:39 2008 From: patchworkfibers at alltel.net (Linda) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:29:39 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacob Sheep Show at SAFF Message-ID: <200871462939.129080@patchwor-efob1t> I just received word that the Southeast Animal Fiber Fair has approved my request to add Jacob breed classes to their sheep show. SAFF is held the last weekend of October in Asheville, NC. More information can be found at www.saffsite.org. Letty Klein will be judging. There There is a junior class, as well as open classes. All sheep must be registered and entries are due by October 6. Please join us if you can. We'd like to make this an annual event, so help us show the show committee that we are a dedicated and enthusiastic bunch! If you can't attend and would like to sponsor a class, there is information on saffsite.org. If you can attend, but won't be sheep, come cheer on the entrants! Linda www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From westergladstone at btinternet.com Mon Jul 14 07:02:22 2008 From: westergladstone at btinternet.com (Juliet & Gordon) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:02:22 +0100 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lamb Constipation References: <415805.14363.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c8e5a1$18cc32b0$0201a8c0@Newbox> Some breeds seem to have richer milk than others although perhaps pasture quality affects this. A problem we have found with 'sticky bottoms' is that sometimes it hardens across the anus, stuck to the wool and setting like concrete and the lamb becomes blocked up. The cure obviously is to unstick it, but stand back as some pressure can build up ! I suspect that the lamb would die if the blockage was not released. It's definitely something to watch out for in the first couple of days after birth. Juliet in Scotland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carlfosbrink at yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 05:48:53 2008 From: carlfosbrink at yahoo.com (CARL FOSBRINK) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] llamas Message-ID: <633940.52425.qm@web55505.mail.re4.yahoo.com> We have decided to sell our llamas. We have two registered males for sale at $300 each. One is the sire of the other. They can be seen on our web site @ www.4hornfarm.com and we will post an updated photo of the son a.s.a.p.?After we sell the young male or both males we would then sell our bred female?for $500 or if the young male sells we would sell the parents for $700 for the pair. We would also sell all three for $900.? Carl and Judy Fosbrink www.4hornfarm.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nlgrose at yadtel.net Tue Jul 22 09:33:33 2008 From: nlgrose at yadtel.net (Neal and Louise Grose) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:33:33 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] Latest on Nat Animal ID Message-ID: <001401c8ebff$8ba40830$6402a8c0@HAL2> This was in the "Dairy Today" email newsletter. I thought you guys would be interested. Neal Grose Could COOL drive National Animal ID? 7/21/2008 Jim Dickrell In an ironic twist, the 2008 Farm Bill's Country of Origin Labeling (COOL) requirements could speed the implementation of national animal identification. Why ironic? Many of the very people who favor COOL are also the same people who oppose, almost to the point of violence, a national animal identification system. I've never been a fan of COOL. On my top 10 list of priorities in assuring consumers that the food they buy is safe, I'd rank it about #20. Nevertheless, Congress included COOL in the Farm Bill it passed earlier this summer. USDA's goal is to publish a interim final rule on COOL by July 30, with an effective date of September 30. Keep in mind that the Farm Bill prevents USDA from using COOL as a pretense to implement a national mandatory animal ID program. But even if it's not mandatory, a national ID program is the next logical step. What simpler way to identify cattle than with an electronic RFID button tag that's linked to a registered U.S. premise? If anything, market forces will drive the need for a simple, cheap identification system, say both the National Cattlemen's Beef Association (NCBA) and the National Milk Producers Federation (NMPF) "Anything new like this will be market-force driven," says Colin Woodall, NCBA's executive director of legislative affairs. Food retailers will be required to verify country of origin of the meat products they sell, and they'll pass that requirement on to their suppliers who will pass it down the chain all the way to the farm. "The market place is going to drive the treatment of animals, including identification," agrees Chris Galen, NMPF VP of communications. "We've always advocated animal ID, not for marketing purposes or for COOL, but to protect our infrastructure." Note: More than 42,000 of commercial dairy and heifer operations, some 70%, now have their premises registered for national ID. Imported Canadian cattle, which have been coming across the border since late November of last year, are already required to carry official Canadian brands or individual ID, including their Canadian ear tag and records to prove premise of origin. As of last week (July 15), retailers will have to verify they have the records to prove Canadian cattle origins. For more on the identification requirements of Canadian dairy cattle imports, click here. These rules were set last year, prior to the border opening November 19. I'm no trade law expert. But it seems to me the Canadians could get a little uppity if U.S. domestic requirements for cattle ID to meet marketing requirements are less stringent than those for imported cattle. (Can you smell a World Trade Organization challenge coming?) So COOL could be a blessing in disguise. If it speeds the adoption of comprehensive (if not mandatory) national ID, it might well be worth all the other hassle of meeting COOL requirements from the farm to the meat case. COOL nor national animal ID will prevent a major disease outbreak in this country. But national ID could certainly help contain the outbreak should it occur. Containment is essential. One estimate, offered by Tom McKenna with the Wisconsin Diagnostic Laboratory, suggests a foot and mouth disease outbreak could cost the U.S. livestock industry $27 billion dollars. That's roughly three-quarters of the farm-gate value of all the milk produced in this country last year. Anything that could limit such a disaster, even COOL, is worth it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One chapter in the book covers the various breeds of sheep in the U.S.?I am wondering if you could provide me with a few photos of?Jacob sheep?for use in the book? The publisher requires a resolution quality of 300 dpi for digital photos.High quality prints are also acceptable.?I would need your permission to use any photos in the book and will give your association photo credits as well as list the association in the resource section of the book. ? Please let me know if this directory?listing is correct for your organization: ? Jacob Sheep Breeders Association 83136 Rattlesnake Road Dexter, OR 97431 (541) 747-6149 information at jsba.org www.jsba.org ?? I am working under a rather tight deadline and any?photos I receive by August 8 can be considered for publication. ? Thank you for your consideration. I look forward to hearing from you. ? SIncerely, ? 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Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: Photo and information request (schmick54 at aol.com) -----Inline Message Follows----- Pictures anyone ?? Mick -----Original Message----- From: Philip Hasheider To: information at jsba.org Sent: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 1:59 pm Subject: Photo and information request Dear Sir or Madam: I am writing a book entitled "How to Raise Sheep" for Voyageur Press in Minneapolis. www.VoyageurPress.com This is the third in a series of livestock books I have written for them.The books are licensed by FFA. One chapter in the book covers the various breeds of sheep in the U.S. I am wondering if you could provide me with a few photos of Jacob sheep for use in the book? The publisher requires a resolution quality of 300 dpi for digital photos.High quality prints are also acceptable. I would need your permission to use any photos in the book and will give your association photo credits as well as list the association in the resource section of the book. Please let me know if this directory listing is correct for your organization: Jacob Sheep Breeders Association 83136 Rattlesnake Road Dexter, OR 97431 (541) 747-6149 information at jsba.org www.jsba.org I am working under a rather tight deadline and any photos I receive by August 8 can be considered for publication. Thank you for your consideration. I look forward to hearing from you. SIncerely, Phlip Hasheider S9820 Hasheider Road Sauk City, WI 53583 608-544-2036 honeycrk at chorus.net ________________________________ The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! Pictures anyone ?? Mick -----Original Message----- From: Philip Hasheider To: information at jsba.org Sent: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 1:59 pm Subject: Photo and information request Dear Sir or Madam: I am writing a book entitled "How to Raise Sheep" for Voyageur Press in Minneapolis. www.VoyageurPress.com This is the third in a series of livestock books I have written for them.The books are licensed by FFA. One chapter in the book covers the various breeds of sheep in the U.S. I am wondering if you could provide me with a few photos of Jacob sheep for use in the book? The publisher requires a resolution quality of 300 dpi for digital photos.High quality prints are also acceptable. I would need your permission to use any photos in the book and will give your association photo credits as well as list the association in the resource section of the book. Please let me know if this directory listing is correct for your organization: Jacob Sheep Breeders Association 83136 Rattlesnake Road Dexter, OR 97431 (541) 747-6149 information at jsba.org www.jsba.org I am working under a rather tight deadline and any photos I receive by August 8 can be considered for publication. Thank you for your consideration. I look forward to hearing from you. SIncerely, Phlip Hasheider S9820 Hasheider Road Sauk City, WI 53583 608-544-2036 honeycrk at chorus.net ________________________________ The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenleighacres at yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 13:25:09 2008 From: kenleighacres at yahoo.com (Shannon Phifer) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] JSBA AGM Raffle - New Items Added Message-ID: <291062.19061.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi!? I have justed added new items to the AGM Raffle page - http://www.kenleigh-acres.com/Raffle.htm? There are a lot of beautiful items!? To purchase tickets - send a check made out?to JSBA to 83136 Rattlesnake Road, Dexter OR 97431.? Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks!?? ? Shannon Phifer Kenleigh Acres Farm www.kenleigh-acres.com That'll Do Photography www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com From schmick54 at aol.com Wed Jul 30 00:11:07 2008 From: schmick54 at aol.com (schmick54 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:11:07 -0400 Subject: [Jacob-list] JSBA AGM Raffle - New Items Added In-Reply-To: <291062.19061.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <291062.19061.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAC0116CF76991-EFC-4514@WEBMAIL-NG13.sysops.aol.com> I have a question: Last year's AGM, Linda thoughtfully asked each purchaser of tickets what items they'd prefer if they had a winning ticket. Because how will you know what a person wants if they are not present when you draw their number ? There are some items that some of us can't use and really wouldn't be happy if we ended up with them. Also, if there is an item or two that one can't live without, you'd get a bigger response (and more $$) if a person bought several tickets in the hope of acquiring said item. Mick -----Original Message----- From: Shannon Phifer To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:25 am Subject: [Jacob-list] JSBA AGM Raffle - New Items Added Hi!? I have justed added new items to the AGM Raffle page - http://www.kenleigh-acres.com/Raffle.htm? There are a lot of beautiful items!? To purchase tickets - send a check made out?to JSBA to 83136 Rattlesnake Road, Dexter OR 97431.? Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks!?? ? Shannon Phifer Kenleigh Acres Farm www.kenleigh-acres.com That'll Do Photography www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenleighacres at yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 13:09:13 2008 From: kenleighacres at yahoo.com (Shannon Phifer) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jacob-list] JSBA AGM Raffle - New Items Added Message-ID: <30543.41888.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, you can?tell me what item(s) you would like your tickets to go towards.? Some people have bought a bunch of tickets for one item and others have bought tickets and split them up for several items.? Please - definitely let me know what items you would like your tickets to go towards!!! Thanks! ? Shannon Phifer Kenleigh Acres Farm www.kenleigh-acres.com That'll Do Photography www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com ? ----- Original Message ---- From: "schmick54 at aol.com" To: kenleighacres at yahoo.com; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:11:07 PM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] JSBA AGM Raffle - New Items Added I have a question: Last year's AGM, Linda thoughtfully asked each purchaser of tickets what items they'd prefer if they had a winning ticket. Because how will you know what a person wants if they are not present when you draw their number ? There are some items that some of us can't use and really wouldn't be happy if we ended up with them. Also, if there is an item or two that one can't live without, you'd get a bigger response (and more $$) if a person bought several tickets in the hope of acquiring said item. Mick -----Original Message----- From: Shannon Phifer To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:25 am Subject: [Jacob-list] JSBA AGM Raffle - New Items Added Hi!? I have justed added new items to the AGM Raffle page - http://www.kenleigh-acres.com/Raffle.htm? There are a lot of beautiful items!? To purchase tickets - send a check made out?to JSBA to 83136 Rattlesnake Road, Dexter OR 97431.? Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks!?? ? Shannon Phifer Kenleigh Acres Farm www.kenleigh-acres.com That'll Do Photography www.thatlldo.photoreflect.com _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list ________________________________ The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: