[AGL] Mac Attack

[michele mason]

Strange. I never had any of those problems with a Mac. Its me who  
messes up. Maybe its just the personality of the user that makes for  
the right fit.?  mm

On Mar 6, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Jon Ford wrote:


>

> Gerry-- It's funny, but I went at things the opposite of you and  

> arrived at the same place. I started out as a big booster of graphic  

> interfaces. I was certain that I could never adjust to the PC world,  

> so I bought an Atari computer, then realized that Macs had the same  

> kind of interface and better support. Plus they were the computer of  

> choice at my wife's workplace, Stanford, so we could get a good deal  

> on them and free software.

>

> I started an all Mac computer lab at my own all-PC school, and got  

> thoroughly sick of Macs along the way: break-downs, expensiveness,   

> compatibility of older macs with newer systems, etc. . Gradually my  

> lab switched over to PCs, I bought myself one, and the rest is  

> history. I see nothing so great about MAcs-- except maybe immunity to  

> visuses, and you can alsways get a subscription to an anti-virus  

> program. They are expensive and  cute, but I think rather fragile--  

> mine were always in the shop, my daughter's is frequently broken, and  

> the same goes for the problems of  most other people I know  who have  

> Macs.  I can use any computer to do the simple things I do, so I  

> wouldn't give a hoot about Auto-cad; however, there are plenty ofother  

> reasons to prefer PCs over macs.

>

> Jon

>

>> From: "Gerry" <mesmo at gilanet.com>

>> Reply-To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the  

>> 60s<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>

>> To: "survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the  

>> 60s"<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>

>> Subject: Re: [AGL] Mac Attack

>> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:58:00 -0700

>>

>> Byron,

>> Yeah, you're right. My comment about horses was directed at MM. I too  

>> have heard lots of raves about the iMac 24. But my first question is:  

>> do it run AutoCAD? And Macs don't. Many years back they made a  

>> version for the Mac and it was major dud, hence you will find no Macs  

>> at engineering offices and the like. And since AutoCAD is my  

>> illustration and desk top publishing tool I don't do Macs.

>>

>> In 1959 I worked at an insurance company home office. Trained in the  

>> DP department and eventually (6 months) promoted to assistant  

>> manager. In 1961 went to programming school and started writing  

>> programs for IBM mainframes, until 1965. This was back before  

>> packaged programs were available, every company had programmers who  

>> created the software.  Then a long break from the world of offices  

>> while I pursued the life of a professional musician, skirt chaser,  

>> and dope fiend.

>>

>> In 1980, having surfaced from the underground and become gainfully  

>> employed once again, I purchased one of the first personal computers,  

>> an Osborne. Toted that dog around on airplanes, etc. while I was a  

>> union rep. Then an original IBM PC, great machine for the time. In  

>> 1985/86 studied computer drafting and technical illustration at TSTI  

>> and learned a little AutoCAD. In 1987 went to work as a mobile  

>> AutoCAD instructor, toting a dozen or so units (all PC's of course)  

>> around Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma in a van, setting up classes in  

>> rented motel meeting rooms. In 1988 taught at College of Santa Fe,  

>> AutoCAD and PageMaker. In 1989 moved to Seattle, working for The  

>> Austin Company, a builder of large, hi-tech buildings. My job?  

>> AutoCAD supervisor, 30 engineers and designers working AutoCAD. Took  

>> a course at U of Washington in PC repair and began long subscription  

>> to PC World magazine, was very current for a long time. In 1991/92  

>> worked for architectural/civil engineering firm as Computer Manager,  

>> mainly AutoCAD but everything else in the office as well. In 1993  

>> managed 5th largest AutoCAD training center in the USA, Eastern  

>> Washington, Hanford Works, for Gonzaga U. Seattle is a PC town, just  

>> as Austin is a Mac town...strong prejudices. AutoCAD on a Mac is sick  

>> joke, you never see that combo in the work place. Only Macs I saw in  

>> the work place were for architectural renderings, never for drafting  

>> or design.

>>

>> Moved to NM in 1993 and started drawing on the PC using AutoCAD.  

>> Started arts and crafts business peddling the art work created on PC.  

>> Met a few other digital artists in Las Cruces (there were 3 of us in  

>> the southern half of NM in those days). The most incredible work was  

>> by a woman who uses the sketch tool in Word Perfect as her drawing  

>> software, a Philipina with superb talent. Don't know how she does it,  

>> but then again, I hear the same kind of comments about my using  

>> AutoCAD instead of an illustration program. I have "made" my last two  

>> computers, barebones, select the components and assemble them. Not  

>> possible with Macs. Quite easy to make one that will run circles  

>> around a Mac for about 1/3 the cost. The styling argument leaves me  

>> cold. I don't look at the box, it's under the desk.

>>

>> I have used my personal computer to make a living for many years now,  

>> long before the internet and modern communications and packaged  

>> programs. Always have a laptop and a desktop and various parts and  

>> peripherals lying about, also a variety of printers and scanners  

>> (large format). But I will admit that in recent years, with my system  

>> working like a charm, I have not kept abreast of all the many changes  

>> in the world of computers. The late versions of Windows have home  

>> theater software too, haven't tried it, don't need  it. I did buy  

>> another IBM laptop on e-bay last year to replace one that had become  

>> dated. Hardly ever use it. My most common source is newegg.com. Check  

>> them out sometime and see what all you might get if you build your  

>> own and/or need to save cash.

>>

>> Macs have always been the most expensive, low-power machines on the  

>> market. I guess if price is no object and the main use is gossiping  

>> on the internet and processing photos they are fine. But lots of us  

>> do have to consider price and the other performance categories I  

>> mentioned in the last post. And, like I said, they still rule in the  

>> field of graphic arts, but except for Mac towns you hardly ever see  

>> them in offices. (Back in the '80's Apple gave thousands of computers  

>> to school systems with the idea that it would pay off in the long  

>> run. Austin and the UofT were recipients of this generosity, and from  

>> that beginning Austin became a Mac town. Once I made the mistake of  

>> taking drawings--on disks--to Austin media shops to get them printed  

>> out. Not one shop in town had AutoCAD installed, Mac format only. In  

>> Seattle the opposite was true, not a Mac to be seen in the pro shops.  

>> So it becomes a case of "dance with the one that brung ya" and for me  

>> that is the PC, siempre).

>>

>> I guess there is something about watching a movie on a larger screen  

>> that appeals, but in the darkness of my ignorance I am under the  

>> impression that my 17" monitor and Walmart sound system is just  

>> fine...when it becomes dated I will make another one. I am looking at  

>> the new HDTV's as a home movie theater but not too seriously yet. I  

>> live in a small house. And I am in the market for computer sound that  

>> wires directly into one's hearing aids...

>> G

>>

>>

>>   ----- Original Message -----

>>   From: bakhirun bakhirun

>>   To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s

>>   Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:33 PM

>>   Subject: [AGL] Mac Attack

>>

>>

>>   I am trying to remember the quote from Spanish. It goes something  

>> like "...lo que sabe el burro de matematika..." (but it is probably  

>> dirtier).

>>

>>   I too have a rather long history of rasslin' with personal  

>> computers. Artist friends in Montreal first baptized me with a creaky  

>> Mac 512 in 1986. I well remember the mental agonies required, at the  

>> age of 45, in having to learn to follow every tiny rule and neat  

>> keystroke. Then I moved in with an old pal in New York and used her  

>> MultiMate, on DOS. When I came to Indonesia and started working as a  

>> copywriter I had to use WP5.1 because everybody else was. Bye-bye  

>> Maccy at that point.

>>

>>   But I am basically a visual expressionist and the lure of the wild  

>> has always hovered at the (event) horizon. I took a look at the iMac  

>> 24. Jeez, it looks like a home theatre. And all the reviews, even  

>> from the non-Mac crowd, are replete with wows.

>>

>>   So I'm going for it. As we used to say at the Campus Guild, "Faint  

>> heart never screwed the cook."

>>

>>   Thankee

>>

>>   BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB

>>

>>

>>   On 3/6/07, Gerry <mesmo at gilanet.com> wrote:

>>     You know about as much about computers as I do about horses...

>>     G

>>

>>

>>     ----- Original Message -----

>>     From: "michele mason" <yaya.m at earthlink.net>

>>     To: "survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s"

>>     <austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>

>>     Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:45 PM

>>     Subject: Re: [AGL] The Baron is either (a) or (b)

>>

>>

>>     That's okay. But, not flexibility, or bang for the buck—know  

>> where to

>>     buy and from whom. Software/hardware, maybe, maybe just a little

>>     inferior.  One may get used to a corncob, but I prefer Charmin.   

>> Yes, a

>>     macsnob, but I don't mind.  mm

>>

>>     On Mar 5, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Gerry wrote:

>>

>>     > <<Macs are better in every sense!<<

>>     >

>>     > Except cost, bang for the buck, flexibility, general  

>> availability of a

>>     > huge

>>     > selection of software and hardware, etc.

>>     >

>>     > The one and only area that Macs established an early following  

>> and

>>     > have been

>>     > able to keep it is graphic arts...oh yeah, and cuteness...

>>     >

>>     > Not intending to start a "my computer is better than yours war"  

>> but

>>     > resisting such an extreme statement as yours.

>>     >

>>     > On the DOS platform since 1985,

>>     > G

>>     >

>>     >

>>     >

>>     > ----- Original Message -----

>>     > From: "michele mason" < yaya.m at earthlink.net>

>>     > To: "survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the  

>> 60s"

>>     > <austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>

>>     > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:38 AM

>>     > Subject: Re: [AGL] The Baron is either (a) or (b)

>>     >

>>     >

>>     >> Macs are better in every sense! That's my story....and you  

>> know.

>>     >> Sincerely, I am a Mac-person and wouldn't have anything else.  

>> Its just

>>     >> a matter of which one you need. That ?, I would direct to Dave

>>     >> Moriaty.

>>     >>

>>     >> Best regards,  Michele

>>     >>

>>     >> On Feb 15, 2007, at 5:49 AM, blacky at cbn.net.id wrote:

>>     >>

>>     >>>

>>     >>> I have decided to plunk down two thousand clams for a 24-inch  

>> iMac,

>>     >>> primarily to use for photo work and video editing.

>>     >>>

>>     >>>

>>     >>> (a) Hooray for you, Byron. Go for it.

>>     >>>

>>     >>> (b) Yer bonkers, mate.

>>     >>>

>>     >>> Considering that all the furniture in my house is  

>> waterlogged, and

>>     >>> that

>>     >>> this sum represents a prodigious amount of dough for me, my  

>> esteemed

>>     >>> colleagues and most valued peers are staring at me like I  

>> have lost

>>     >>> my

>>     >>> fucking mind.

>>     >>>

>>     >>> Wish me luck folks. Anyhow the way I look at it since I spend  

>> 25% of

>>     >>> my

>>     >>> waking hours staring at a stupid screen it may as well be a

>>     >>> whizz-bang

>>     >>> one.

>>     >>>

>>     >>> Any, er, comments? Feedback? Warnings?

>>     >>>

>>     >>> BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB

>>     >>>

>>     >>

>>     >>

>>     >

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

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