[AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire tracks...

[Bill Irwin]

Well, that is a good, well thought out answer.   I would have to agree with you on most all points.  I have 2 guns but now that I have given up on exterminating the pigs or even shooting at them I don't know what use they are any more.  Oh, I remember - I am waiting for the revolution (lets hope for a peaceful revolution).
Ewie

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Frances Morey 
  To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s 
  Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire tracks...


  I agree with you Bill--haven't touched a gun in my adulthood, which it turned out is a lot longer than my childhood ever was. I might think differently if I lived out in the county. I saw a shadow on my balcony once and remember thinking, "Why don't I have a gun when I need one." The shadowy figure was a teenager, the son of someone known to me, who was being a peeping tom. He fessed up fast when I grabbed the phone and started calling 911. Still, 911 is never gonna be as fast as a speeding bullet. I just hope one never comes my way.
  The statistics are that guns in the home are more often used to kill family members, even by accident, than against an intruder--even used in suicide. There is also statistical evidence that the gun is not only the reason for a crime, which lures the thief, but can be utilized by the criminal against the gun owner. Unless you are fearless and well trained the gun can be easily removed from your hands and turned on you. If you scare someone by pointing a gun at them, imagine how pissed they are when they wrestle it away and turn it on the First Pointer. 
  I don't think there is so much wrong with gun ownership as there is in gun use. You never know how that is going to come out. I took care of an elderly patient. He had lots of guns but what made my skin crawl was when he went out one fine day and purchased bullets.
  Even some suicides want to take company along. With me it isn't about being a Christian. It's about being safe--safer without firearms.
  Best,
  Frances

  Bill Irwin <billi at aloha.net> wrote:
    Just out of curiosity I wanted to ask Frances and Michele how to rationalize guns use and Christianity, gun use and being a peacenik.   Since you both represent those two camps to some extent I thought you might have some insight on those two dilemmas.  Seems to me that gun use is neither Christian nor peaceful.
    Aloha,
    Ewie

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Frances Morey 


      Hell, I'da shot at the horse drive-by shooter's car. If his defense would have been that he was shooting horses I would have said I was standing by the horse and thought he was shooting at me! I grew up with guns, too, even beat another kid at the hunting camp in a target shooting face off--he had won a ribbon in Boy Scout camp outshooting 500 other scouts. My dad was really proud of me. His dad gathered him up and they left hunting camp early.
      It's like this with me and guns, if you introduce a gun in a movie script at some point it has to be fired before the end of the movie. I feel that if the potential is there, at some point it will be used, sometimes by the intruder--so I just as soon not have them or keep them.
      Once the bullets start flying and the scene is scattered with bodies it is moot to talk about who shot first. I try to avoid gun totin' neighborhoods. That's probably just a delusion.
      When Whitman happened guns came out of the woodwork all over the place even though the students were at that time forbidden to keep firearms.
      Best,
      Frances

      michele mason <yaya.m at earthlink.net> wrote:
        This sounds like gone too far. I am a gun carrier and do want the right 
        to shoot anyone who breaks in to my place, or is menacing my land. I've 
        had some scary close calls. So far, a warning shot seems to keep "them" 
        away, but I'm still alert. I want to be sure I'm not signing something 
        that might hinder my rights.
        We even had one guy driving by to shoot horses! He fired at mine, but 
        missed. He did manage to kill several in Bastrop co. I don't know that 
        they ever caught him. We couldn't shoot back, not even to disable his 
        car because he was "on the roadway". If this bill gives me that right, 
        I can't oppose it. Need more info. mm

        On Dec 7, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Frances Morey wrote:

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        > StopTheNRA wrote:Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 
        > 15:25:47 -0600 (CST)
        >> From: StopTheNRA 
        >> To: frances_morey at yahoo.com
        >> Subject: Texas: Help Stop Shoot First!
        >>
        >> If this email does not display correctly, click here to open it in 
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        >> <11665.gif>Stop Shoot First in Texas!
        >> Sign Our Petition: Deadly Force Should Not Be a First Resort
        >> Dear Texas StoptheNRA Member,
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        >> shooter if they are injured or killed in the crossfire.  According to 
        >> a study conducted by the Orlando Sentinel, Shoot First has already 
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        >>   
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        >> Your Friends at StoptheNRA.com





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