[AGL] looked it up in the archives. you can too

[Michael Eisenstadt]

I went looking through the archives of AGL and found Jim Strong's
original message. Also the headers which showed that he sent it.

This is around the end of August 2004. You can look at it in
context at http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/austin-ghetto-list/

Here is some of this thread which I just found in the archives.
First the headers, then a long self-indulgent letter of mine
reproducing what Jim Strong said, this in response to a letter
from Pepi.

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Jon,

Jim Strong denies sending me his message?????

Here are the headers of the message if you need proof I received it.
The rhetoric of the message itself is pure Jim Strong. I would be hard
pressed to invent the misspellings or think to cuss in Yiddish or to
speak as he did of my wife.

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:24:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Strong <strongjim at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Theodorakis interview
To: austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net
Cc: michaele at HotPop.com
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From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil at yahoo.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>
Cc: "Ghetto 2" <GHETTO2 at LISTSERV.WHATHELPS.COM>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Response


> Mike, you remind me of Don Quixote, fighting
> windmills! You want to pick a fight whether there's
> one there or not! Is this a late midlife crisis, or
> what?  You send a blip out of the blue talking about
> how you were insulted by an e-mail sent by Jim Strong,
> but you don't forward the e-mail.  There's no way to
> know what Jim meant without seeing it, albeit he
> rightly figured it was personal.

It was personal but he posted it both to me and
to agl. I should have allowed it to go through but
it was so creepy I was ashamed to.

That was a mistake it seems. Here's his email
in its entirety

START HERE

--- Michael Eisenstadt <michaele at HotPOP.com> wrote:

> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/469781.html
>
> very long interview with Theodorakis the great Greek
> composer by an Israeli journalist
>
> he is full of it just like Jim Strong and others but
> more nuanced.
>
> here's a snippet
=================
  <reply>
   what a pathetic, whiney little schnorra weasel you
are mikey ... i. e. Gai kakhen afenyam ....
   or, in the laternative, go engage in your favorite
pasttime - anal (and/or) banal intercourse with your
significant other doppleganager ...
   maybe you should try to get another waiter job -
and avoid being fired this time for being a flaming
asshole with the customers ...

peace and have another xanax.

STOP HERE

I shouldnt have showed to Madelon as it upset her.

What set him off I don't know. I said that Theodorakis
and Jim Strong and others are full of it. The expression
"full of it" seems so anodyne so what set him off?

Pepi, I want you to know that I take pills for my male
menopause and the tests show that it is under control.
The figures are in range and that's science. Unlike
FHR (female hormone replacement) medication ours
is distilled from horny stallion pee.

Pepi also said

> You are developing paranoid conceptualizations,
> as ever, as you enumerate at length friends and
> acquaintances in consideration of their possible
> view of you.

At length? This is so unfair. Jon Ford mistakenly
identified Wayne Johnson (40 year friendship)
and Gerry Storm as having dissed me on
JSDGMLG2.

I wrote merely to disabuse him of an error. Jon
has never even MET Wayne. Gerry I know from
the Raw Deal. Jon Ford spoke ONLY of Wayne
and Gerry.

I shoulda stopped there. But at the keyboard a
counterbalancing contrast seemed to be needed.
So I named JS, Simmons, Ted Samsel and
Fontaine also as folks who really REALLY dont like
me. Pepi, that aint paranoid conceptualizations,
that's simply the way it is. It's only 4 people, it's
not a big deal. Sorry it's such a problem for you.

Afterwards Wayne confirmed my claim of friendship.
And Gerry publicly giggled at Wayne's revelation of the
LEGUME conspiracy against me.

You're right about email being an imperfect medium.
I have always thought that the charm of OUR maillist
was that we knew each other in real life and saw
one another at parties. So when reading Karen or
Connie or other folks that we actually know in real life,
it always strikes me how lifelike their emails are,
you can almost hearing them speaking, it is SO them.

As compared to folks one knows ONLY through
email.

I think the problem with my letters is that the
charm of full self-expression is too tempting for
me. My self-expression IS different from the
usual Texan sensibility, I know that. But my view
is that if I find myself living among folks with a
more buttoned-up sensibility, the last thing I
would do in my whole life would be to adopt it.
Alas, this decision does not easily make me
friends nor do I have any ambition to run for
elected office.

It's like Jack Nicholson at the end of the Sean
Penn directed movie The Pledge where
Nicholson is sitting on the porch of his lakeside
house drinking a beer and arguing with himself
with gestures. Or is it?

Mike