[AGL] Roky on Fresh Air KUT/ El Patron

Tue Jan 17 00:08:25 EST 2006

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Clark Santos 
To: GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Roky on Fresh Air KUT

Clementine,

Margot is, or has been, on both Ghetto lists and she visited Austin in the last couple of years for reunions or ghetto parties. I think she is a retired government librarian and lives in the Washington D C area. She still loves to party and drink.
Kit died of cancer in the late 80s or early 90s. He was married to lady unknown to the group and had a child with her. As I recall the child was two or three at his death. He was also earlier married to Pepi and Tina Plowman's sister, who's name I can't recall, and had a couple of young children by her. Kit apparently had some very rough times with women, alcohol, and cancer.

EL PATRON

On Mar 15, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Clementine Hall wrote:

Dear Monty/Judy - please tell me about Kit and Margo (separately, of
course; I know they separated). I knew and loved them both long before
they got together and Tommy and I knew them intimately after. Where are
they? How are they?

-----Original Message-----
From: Monty/Judy [mailto:m.herr at COMCAST.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:32 AM
To: GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM
Subject: Re: Roky on Fresh Air KUT

    Gerry said, "And then there is the bit about Tary introducing Tommy to

Roky...dubious, altho I'm sure Tary would take credit for it <<<

Back off, Gerry!

Thanks Clementine - I'm glad you remember the evening Tary shared Roky.
Monty and I remember many others with Tary making things happen for
musicians and friends. Whether it was an emergency ride for Misty to
the
doctor, a sobering up party after Kit and Margo's wedding, or a weekend
hanging out with Manse, Tary never seemed to want credit - he just made
it
happen.

-----Original Message-----
From: Remembrances of Austin Ghetto [mailto:GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM]
On
Behalf Of Clementine Hall
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:55 AM
To: GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM
Subject: Re: Roky on Fresh Air KUT

I was married to Tommy at the time that Tary Owens introduced us both to
Rocky, at the Jade Room. Tary did not make it up. I will never forget
seeing Roky with the Spades for the first time. Tary brought him over
to our table after one set and then after a few minutes, left Roky,
Tommy and me together to talk. Roky later confessed to me that he fell
in love with us then and there is no doubt that we fell in love with
him. We immediately told the Lingsmen, who were looking for a singer,
about this phenomenal kid, and the next thing we knew, everyone was at
our house, jamming, turning on, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerry [mailto:mesmo at GILANET.COM]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:30 PM
To: GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM
Subject: Re: Roky on Fresh Air KUT

Well, I listened to Fresh Air tonight (comes on at 6 on a local NPR
station)
and heard the Roky show. I have never been particularly fond of Ed Ward
and
having lived through many of the scenes he writes about I know for a
fact
that he often has it wrong.

His Roky history was filled with inaccuracies...like calling the
Elevators a
band from San Marcos. Wonder where he got that? And the credits to Doug
Sahm
for the early '70's recordings, pure jive, a couple of guys named Dick
Mithun and Duane who lived in Joseph Court in Terra Linda outside San
Rafael
a few doors down from me made those recordings and supported Roky for
the
best part of a year until Dana (his wife at the time) drove them crazy.
"Two
Headed Dog" (and others) was recorded at Joseph Court in their little
studio. Doug was not around at the time and had nothing to do with the
recordings. But he did introduce Roky to the Credence guy who picked up
the
ball next. Doug was a big promoter of Roky but not hands on. Dick and
Duane,
who were starry-eyed young Marin county musicians, were on a long list
of
well-wishers who have at some time gone to some trouble and expense to
try
to get Roky performing on a regular basis, the story of his life.

And then there is the bit about Tary introducing Tommy to
Roky...dubious,
altho I'm sure Tary would take credit for it (he, like Doug, was quite
good
at inserting himself into history in the retelling) and he had Ed Ward's
ear.

But it was good to hear Roky singing and a lot of the tale was new to
me.
What a character, you don't meet many of those in a lifetime. I have
many
memories of him but he was already pretty far past his peak when I began
to
encounter him. Didn't know him when most of you did altho I saw him
perform
at The New Orleans Club in his heyday. I did know his family pretty
well,
did drafting for his Dad for awhile. His brother, Michael, and I were
close
for a time and I was at M's house in Austin Lake Estates when they drove
Roky in from Rusk. Michael had financed his release which included
paying
off shrinks to declare him fit for the outside--he wasn't but it was
better
than Rusk.

Ah, the memories, floating up from nowhere. BTW, I did contact with old
friend Trish Wann who is indeed in Tucson and a distinguished member of
the
arts community there. Might go over that way soon and visit with her.
Was
there really a time called the '60's when all us strange kids from Texas
blossomed in Austin? Or is it just a typical tale of young people of the
time which we have embellished with fantasy? I tend to think that we
were
rather extraordinary but sometimes I forget why.
G

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh at SHENTEL.NET>
To: <GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Roky on Fresh Air KUT

  That is good.

  wgJ
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Fontaine Maverick" <fmaverick at AUSTIN.RR.COM>
  To: <GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM>
  Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Roky on Fresh Air KUT

    As it turned out, it was on at 3:50. It was a nice ten minute piece

-
ward

    gave Tary credit for helping Roky. It will be on the KUT website for

about

    a
    week if anyone missed it.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Remembrances of Austin Ghetto

[mailto:GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM]

    On
    Behalf Of TeleBob
    Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:05 PM
    To: GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM
    Subject: Re: Roky on Fresh Air KUT

    Yes... 3:00PM Sorry..

    teleBS
    --- Fontaine Maverick <fmaverick at AUSTIN.RR.COM> wrote:

      Thank you, T-Bob, but Terry Gross is on at three, I
      am pretty sure.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Remembrances of Austin Ghetto
      [mailto:GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM] On
      Behalf Of telebob
      Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:16 AM
      To: GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM
      Subject: Roky on Fresh Air KUT

      According to Ed Ward, "Fresh Air" with Terry Gross
      will be running Ed's
      piece on Roky Erickson today between 3:30PM and
      4:30PM

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