War Lovers

[Gerry Storm]

I agree with your thoughts on the Rooskies, too bad to mess around with. Not
even neocon fools would invade Russia.

The truth is that we met with hardly any resistance as our brave armada
swept across the sands of Iraq toward Bagdad. The only bump in the road was
a great sandstorm that clogged up the machinery for a few days. We bribed
the Iraqi generals who sent their troops home. There was no defense of
Bagdad which we had bombed for days, no Republican Guard to resist us.
Remember "Shock and Awe"? You think the Russians would have thrown down
their arms and run away from big noise?

The Baathist resistance had anticipated our arrival and elected to wait
until we had settled in before springing to the attack with car bombs and
RPG's. Now they clearly have the upper hand, lobbing in a few mortars from
time to time between guerilla attacks on sitting ducks, a car bomb
assination each week of some American stooge Iraqi, letting the Shiite
militias take the heat as they tempt the occupying army to bomb the mosques,
etc.

The latest New Yorker (May 24) has another great Seymour Hersh story about
our strategies. A Black Ops group was operating in Abu Ghraib, so hush-hush
only the top Pentagon people know of its existence. All of the
investigations have to either skirt around it or ignore it. The vague
references to "Intelligence personnel" directing the MP's and the ambiguous
references to "contractors" without identifying who they were and who they
were commanded by allude to this group. The truth is no one on the scene
knew who they were altho they acted like they ran the place--not even the
generals in charge. Some wore civilian clothes, some army clothes, no name
tags nor rank. Now that the shit has hit the fan they are long gone and the
whole prison has been reorganized and many of the "suspects" who were
rounded up with only a thread of evidence against them released. The Black
Ops cats and the real suspects have moved to another site under better cover
and the game continues. You can bet there won't be anymore photos nor
National Guard MP's involved in future interogations.

It's too late now. The elite Baathist units number around 5,000. They are
hard core fighters, well armed, well financed, well trained, and loyal to
the end. Their organization is cellular so that no one knows what the others
are doing thus no amount of torture can elicit information that goes beyond
the activities of the cell. They will resist until they can regain control
of the country, might take a few years, no big rush.
G



----- Original Message -----
From: Byron Black <blacky@cbn.net.id>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:15 PM
Subject: War Lovers


> You put it very succinctly, Gerry.
>
> By the way, don't you know that the Russians are down on their hands and
> knees thanking God fervently that they kept their Strategic Rocket Forces,
> as without a nuclear deterrent they'd be a sitting duck for the White
House
> Taliban.
>
> Doesn't make for a very stable world: lest we forget, the opposing nuclear
> forces are still on that 15-minute hair trigger. Certain beefeaters in the
> Pentagon are still musing about a 'decapititation strike' and the Russkies
> themselves are currently conducting nuclear war games (check it out).
>
> If the fanatics really wanted to go after a rogue nation with WMD, a
godless
> (ha) one that hates America, why didn't they just go bomb Russia? The
answer
> is that like any bully you only attack somebody who you think won't fight
> back, like some little shitass greaseball dictatorship.
>
> But the genie's out of the bottle now, having a night on the town.
>
> BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
>
>
> > Wayne,
> > Your flame on Igor's post misses the point that he is trying to make
which
> > is: brutal attrocities occur at the front and in the prison camps of
every
> > war and the media reports on only a small number of them. Abu Ghraib is
> not
> > a particularly attrocious example of these but par for the course, not
on
> > the same scale as Andersonville. The media fit over it will do some good
> but
> > will not stop brutality at the front. Those who are there doing the
dirty
> > work have no time nor stomach for their critics well behind the front
who
> > find fault with their methods and actions. When someone is trying to
kill
> > you and you are seeing your buddies fall, you don't find much solace in
> the
> > Geneva Convention. Once you pull the trigger it is too late for
apologies.
> > Brutality happens.
> >
> > The leaders of the US did not comprehend what they were in for by
starting
> > this war, without provocation, and they are helpless to do anything now
to
> > put out the fire. Once you loose those terrible spirits it is all but
> > impossible to stop them, a truth the old soldiers can tell you about but
> one
> > that the fools in the white house did not and apparently do not
> comprehend.
> > The only way to end it is to leave, and hope that time will heal the
> wounds.
> >
> > It is difficult to know how ugly war is until you walk through the ruins
> of
> > a country where one has just been fought and see the terrible toll on
all
> > life forms caught up in the act. This overwhelming sadness is not
> > communicable.
> > G
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net>
> > To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 6:15 AM
> > Subject: Fools rush in...again
> >
> >
> > > You know Igor, I frankly don't give a damn about your experiences.
> > Nothing
> > > you have written that I have seen suggests that you have developed any
> > > sensitivity to anything.
> > >
> > > I have known a lot of Nam vets who learned a great deal about
themselves
> > and
> > > about command decisions and how the government fucks everyone over.
> They
> > > were/are brave men who cried for their lost comrades and their own
lost
> > > innocence.  I am proud of them and their contribution for what they
> > believed
> > > was a just and noble cause.  That I don't agree with their
understanding
> > in
> > > no fashion belittles or demeans their sacrifice.
> > >
> > > Glad you don't like Halliburton but the rest of your views just depict
a
> > > mind that is closed and happy to be that way.
> > >
> > > As for Andersonville, there were many people who despised this
situation
> > and
> > > railed against it.  It was after all "bleeding heart liberals" who
were
> > the
> > > Abolitionist movement.  And the Civil Rights movement after that.  And
> the
> > > Environmental movement after that.  And the Regime Change movement
right
> > > now.
> > >
> > > If you can't understand the broader implications of what is going on
> here
> > > and in Iraq, then stick to something you can grapple with like Spider
> man.
> > > And for pity's sake, man, lose those stupid phrases like "bleeding
heart
> > > liberal".  Makes you sound like more of a red-neck moron than you
> probably
> > > are.  Find yourself a nice Evangelical Church somewhere and have a
good
> > roll
> > > on the floor.
> > >
> > > Oh, dear, I have flamed again.  Good.
> > >
> > > wayne johnson
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "IgorLoving" <lovingigor@earthlink.net>
> > > To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:06 PM
> > > Subject: RE: How did we get to Abu Ghraib?
> > >
> > >
> > > > War is a tarvesty but it has been with us since forever. If you read
> > about
> > > prisons you will see that they are all bad. Andersonville didn't have
a
> > > bunch of bleeding heart liberals crying about treatment. The Japanese
> > > treated out men like shit at Batan and no one worte stupid whiney
stuff
> > > about that. Read about John McCain and his experiences in Hanoi and
you
> > get
> > > the idea. I did two tours in Nam and the last one wasn't much fun. So
> the
> > > babble about our guys kicking ass in the prison is natural stuff. I
> don't
> > > get too excited about it. Americans are the same as evweryone else and
> > that
> > > is the was revealed. Hah we are just as much a bunch of ass holes as
> > > everyone else we just have the dumb ass media looking over our
sholders.
> > The
> > > French I served with in Angola hated the media. The media told what
they
> > > were doing. We didn't need media to do the job. The job was to make
the
> > > world safe for Hailburton and we did it well , sort of.
> > > >
> > > > ----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frances Morey <frances_morey@excite.com>
> > > > Sent: May 20, 2004 12:28 AM
> > > > To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > > Subject: RE: How did we get to Abu Ghraib?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wayne,
> > > > I don't think I have zip file capability on this computer. The last
> time
> > I
> > > tried to open a zip file something wormed into every nook and crany of
> the
> > > stored files with pop-up-poop-nonsense, some 42 screens of it, which I
> had
> > > to delete every time I turned on the machine--so I am wary of them.
What
> > is
> > > the attachment, photo or text? Sounds like a road movie, "The Road to
> Abu
> > > Ghraib," staring Lyndie and her consort.
> > > > Frances
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  --- On Wed 05/19, Wayne Johnson < cadaobh@shentel.net > wrote:
> > > > From: Wayne Johnson [mailto: cadaobh@shentel.net]
> > > > To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > >      Cc: strongjim@yahoo.com
> > > > Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:47:48 -0400
> > > > Subject: How did we get to Abu Ghraib?
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