surprise! god is in each of us...
Monty/Judy
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Tue Mar 30 18:49:16 2004
thanks
Judith M. Herr
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-----Original Message-----
From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Wayne =
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:18 PM
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Subject: Re: surprise! god is in each of us...
UU being Unitarian Universalist? These guys, along with the Quakers, =
are
pretty cool.
wj
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Monty/Judy" <m.herr@comcast.net>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:05 PM
Subject: RE: surprise! god is in each of us...
> Francis - I recommend talking to Fontaine, Mary Jane, or Susan about =
the
> UU Church - they probably are tight with all of the faiths and
celebrations
> around Austin
>
> Judith M. Herr
> Well Chosen Words
> herrj@comcast.net
> 925-443-4514; 925-989-3723 (mobile)
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
> [mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Frances =
Morey
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:10 AM
> To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> Subject: RE: surprise! god is in each of us...
>
>
> tele,
> Hindu, schmindu! Religions, they are all alike to me--just kidding. =
You
> make it sound like a delightful place. Thanks for the link. I have =
known
> some wonderful East Indians, some of whom have become lifelong =
friends.
> Frances
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue 03/30, telebob < telebob@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> From: telebob [mailto: telebob@sbcglobal.net]
> To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:45:29 -0600
> Subject: RE: surprise! god is in each of us...
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN
> class=3D484063816-30032004>Jesus
> Frances! That is NOT a mosque out on Camp Ben McCullogh Road. That
> is Barsana Dam, and it is an Indian Hindu =
community.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN
> class=3D484063816-30032004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN
> class=3D484063816-30032004><A
>
href=3D"http://barsanadham.org">http://barsanadham.org</A></SPAN></FONT><=
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> >
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN
> class=3D484063816-30032004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN
> class=3D484063816-30032004>They
> are great people and it is wonderful little community out there. They
have
>
> some very coloful festivals, and I suggest you check out their =
calendar
and
>
> attend. I used to go with my daughter and stepson every year for =
several
> years. They loved the elephant rides and the henna
> 'tattoos'.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN
> class=3D484063816-30032004>They
> have the best peaches in Texas.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN
> class=3D484063816-30032004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN
> class=3D484063816-30032004>Shree
> Telebhob</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE>
> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma
> size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
> austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
> [mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Frances
>
> Morey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004 11:43 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
> austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: surprise! god =
is
> in
> each of us...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>Pepi,</DIV>
> <DIV>I have never been to a mosque either. We ought to go to the one
out
> 290
> on the way to the Salt Lick. It has $38,000 worth of gleaming gold =
tile
> on the
> entrance built up so high you can see it from the road. I would love
> to view it up close, and see what the service is like. I thought
> Gregorian chant in the Chapel at Our Lady of the Lake was
> wonderful.</DIV>
> <DIV>Francse<BR><BR><B><I>Pepi Plowman <pepstoil@yahoo.com></I></B>
> wrote:</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq
> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff =
2px
> solid">The
> only thing I ever liked about church was the<BR>music. The sermons
put
> me to
> sleep. We had one<BR>fairly intelligent and educated minister at
> our<BR>community church in Puerto La Cruz (we shared it =
with<BR>the
> Catholics, who came in for 8 a.m. mass)--he<BR>sometimes gave =
thought
> provoking sermons, but then we<BR>got a fire and brimstone guy and
> everyone
> slept<BR>through his exhortations. He was always trying to<BR>save
> somebody--kind of like a Jesus salesman. I liked<BR>Quaker meeting
> because
> it was quiet sometimes, except<BR>for when people got up to speak.
The
> Episcopalians and<BR>Catholics seemed to do a lot of up and down =
and
> repeat<BR>after me stuff. I've never been to a temple of =
any<BR>kind
or
> a
> mosque, for that matter. I'm crazy for all<BR>the major choral =
works,
> especially Bach. I sang them<BR>in choirs in highschool and later.
> There was
> some<BR>totally inspired church music written that makes =
me<BR>want
to
> fly
> when I hear it.<BR>pep<BR>--- Wayne Johnson
> <CADAOBH@SHENTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>> My problem is that most of my =
early
> Church<BR>> experience was filled with horrid white anglo =
saxon<BR>>
> protestant hypocricy and utter dismissal of other<BR>> religions
whilst
>
> insisting that Jesus should be the<BR>> half back on your football
> team.
> This drivel would<BR>> stun a ground hog for its imbecility but
seemed
> to<BR>> go over big in Georgetown in the Fifties. The<BR>> single
> person of deep religious faith that I knew<BR>> personally and
> respected
> was Rev. Heinsohn of the<BR>> University Methodist Church on the
Drag.
> I
> worked<BR>> there as a night-time custodian whilst a student =
at<BR>>
> UT. He was a gentleman, a true Biblical scholar and<BR>> his =
sermons
> were
> absent of cliche or dumb harangues.<BR>> By any measure, a great
person
>
> and a credit to our<BR>> species.<BR>> <BR>> wj<BR>> -----=20
> Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Frances Morey <BR>> To:
> austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net <BR>> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004
7:54
>
> PM<BR>> Subject: Re: surprise! god is in each of us...<BR>> <BR>>
> <BR>> Wayne,<BR>> These incidences of kindness are multiplied<BR>>
> thousands of times as church members all over are<BR>> moved to =
help
> their fellow humans. I've seen it in<BR>> action and even =
experienced
> some of it myself in my<BR>> darkest moments. The church is the =
Other
> place, away<BR>> from home and the husstle 'n' bustle of the<BR>>
> marketplace, where people can be quite and<BR>> contemplative in
> humility, surrounded by peace and<BR>> quiet or ethereal music, =
and
> participating in the<BR>> familiar and predictable process of the
> liturgy, if<BR>> a Mass, or listening to preachments alternating
> with<BR>> the singing of hymns, if they happen to be<BR>> =
protestant.
> I always prefered the Catholic practice<BR>> of keeping the whole
> service
> to an hour, homily and<BR>> all. That is merely the excuse for =
being
> together,<BR>> though. Perhaps god is really the human matrix =
in<BR>>
> which we immerse ourselves and the churches are<BR>> places we are
able
>
> to find other humans who are<BR>> capable and willing to express =
good
> will--I believe<BR>> that is so, anyway. My church experiences =
have
> been<BR>> as described and if not I certainly let them hear<BR>>
about
> it. But that's another story.<BR>> Frances <BR>> <BR>> Wayne
> Johnson <CADAOBH@SHENTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>> I just found out =
yesterday
> that
> a very dear<BR>> friend of our in Reston has<BR>> contract ALS and =
it
> has already progessed to the<BR>> point where he can barely<BR>>
brush
> his teeth and can't clothe himself. He and<BR>> his wife had =
joined
> a<BR>> local Unitarian church a couple of years ago and<BR>> these
> good people have<BR>> taken it upon themselves to provide a world
> of<BR>> kindness, gentleness, love<BR>> and direct physical and
> emotional assistance to<BR>> him and his wife. This<BR>> includes
> visits, shopping trips with and without<BR>> him, food deliveries
> and<BR>> compansionship.<BR>> <BR>> To my old timey way of
> thinking, this is what<BR>> "churches" used to do: love<BR>> =
people
> and be supportive of those in need. Every<BR>> so often it is good
(for
>
> me<BR>> in particular) to be reminded that there are<BR>> those =
who
> actually practice<BR>> what their religion suggests is
> "Christian"<BR>> behavior. Of course, the<BR>> Unitarians aren't
> exactly boil! er-plate,<BR>> orthodox, Holey-Rollers. I =
believe<BR>>
> Ben Franklin was a Unitarian and possibly G.<BR>> Washington as =
well.
> Not<BR>> exactly Bible thumpers. Many of these<BR>> congregations
> accept neo-pagan<BR>> beliefs without rancor. (Oddly, the only
> other<BR>> church I have found with<BR>> similar sentiments was a
> (Scottish) Episcopal<BR>> church in Campbell, CA.<BR>> Campbell =
being
> vurrry Scottish as a person and a<BR>> clan.<BR>> <BR>> Anyway.
> Have to say sometimes the sysems works<BR>> and works to the =
benefit
> of<BR>> some who really, really deserve it.<BR>> <BR>> wj<BR>>
> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Pepi Plowman" <BR>> To:
> <BR>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:45 PM<BR>> Subject: RE: =
let's
> not do nuance<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Wayne, Judy, Tele,<BR>>
> ><BR>> > I'm with you all the way on the first part.<BR>> God,
> what<BR>> > God? Which God? But allow me to elaborate<BR>>
> further,<BR>> > below...<BR>> > --- telebob wrote:<BR>> >
> > Wayne-<BR>> > ><BR>> > >! ; I think as you do, and
> thank you for<BR>> reminding us<BR>> > > that most priests
> and<BR>> > > factotems are basically criminals who spread<BR>>
> > > cultural myths<BR>> ><BR>> > totally. Myths that
> preceded that particular<BR>> religion<BR>> > which the priests =
and
> factotems accepted as<BR>> truth and<BR>> > preached, or myths =
that
> were flagrantly made<BR>> up to<BR>> > suit a cultural bias in
> order to bring more<BR>> ignorant<BR>> > humans to the
> "fold".<BR>> ><BR>> > (all the better<BR>> > > if they
> believe what they preach, it makes<BR>> it easier<BR>> > > for
> them to sleep)in<BR>> > > order to retain and extend personal
> and<BR>> > > institutional power. This is not to<BR>> > >
> say that there are no benefits, since those<BR>> common<BR>> > >
> mythyologies help to<BR>> > > create a 'public order' no matter
> what the<BR>> standard.<BR>> > > Are religious<BR>> > >
> societies 'better' than secular societies?<BR>> ><BR>> > Fuck,
> no!<BR>> ><BR>> > How do<BR>> > > ! we measure? These
> are<BR>> > > topics worthy of millions of tomes, and<BR>> indeed
> you<BR>> > > know they are out there<BR>> > > discussing
> this shit still, like a bunch of<BR>> > > sophomores who have
> just<BR>> > > dicovered 'philosophy'.<BR>> ><BR>> > How
> dare they abuse us by discussing them?!<BR>> State and<BR>> >
> religion should not mix, Point!<BR>> > ><BR>> > > But my
> dad, who was a doctor, was in a<BR>> > > 'philosophical' mood one
> night, a<BR>> > > little in his cups, and he related. "I
> watch<BR>> people<BR>> > > die and people born<BR>> > >
> every day as a part of my job, and all I can<BR>> say is,<BR>> >
> > 'Where does the flame<BR>> > > go when it goes out?' Does the
> flame have a<BR>> soul?"<BR>> ><BR>> > So, did he ever answer
> his question, or did he<BR>> just<BR>> > ask?<BR>> ><BR>>
> > > He was not a religious<BR>> > > man, though he tried to
> keep up appearances.<BR>> On the<BR>> > > other hand, he
> was<BR>> > > 'moral' person w! ho enjoyed overpaying his<BR>>
> taxes and<BR>> > > never breaking a traffic<BR>> > >
> law.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > So when we are approached by 'holy
> men' of<BR>> any<BR>> > > stripe, know you are being<BR>>
> > > approached by the powers of darkness.<BR>> ><BR>> > Do
> you really believe there is a Big Boogyman<BR>> out<BR>> >
> there?!<BR>> ><BR>> > This includes<BR>> > > rabbis,
> priests,<BR>> > > mullahs, and most medicine men. I put my<BR>>
> faith in<BR>> > > the scientific method and<BR>> > > its
> self correcting process.<BR>> > ><BR>> ><BR>> > Man,
> I'd hate to be on the back end of a "self<BR>> > correcting =
process"
> inflicted on me by a<BR>> source<BR>> > outside myself (like
> doctors and lawyers and<BR>> > policemen) when I had resources
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