surprise! god is in each of us...
Monty/Judy
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Tue Mar 30 14:07:06 2004
Francis - I recommend talking to Fontaine, Mary Jane, or Susan about =
the
UU Church - they probably are tight with all of the faiths and =
celebrations
around Austin=20
Judith M. Herr
Well Chosen Words
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-----Original Message-----
From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Frances =
Morey
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:10 AM
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Subject: RE: surprise! god is in each of us...
tele,
Hindu, schmindu! Religions, they are all alike to me--just kidding. You
make it sound like a delightful place. Thanks for the link. I have known
some wonderful East Indians, some of whom have become lifelong friends.
Frances
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From: telebob [mailto: telebob@sbcglobal.net]
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:45:29 -0600
Subject: RE: surprise! god is in each of us...
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Frances!=A0 That is NOT a mosque out on Camp Ben McCullogh Road.=A0 That =
is Barsana Dam, and it is an Indian Hindu community.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D484063816-30032004>They=20
are great people and it is wonderful little community out there.=A0 They =
have
some very=A0coloful festivals, and I suggest you check out their =
calendar and
attend.=A0 I used to go with my daughter and stepson every year for =
several=20
years.=A0 They loved the elephant rides and the henna=20
'tattoos'.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN
class=3D484063816-30032004>They=20
have the best peaches in Texas.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D484063816-30032004>Shree=20
Telebhob</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net=20
[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Frances
Morey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004 11:43 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: surprise! god =
is
in=20
each of us...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Pepi,</DIV>
<DIV>I have never been to a mosque either. We ought to go to the one =
out
290=20
on the way to the Salt Lick. It has $38,000 worth of gleaming gold =
tile
on the=20
entrance built up so high you can see it from the road. I would love=20
to=A0view it up close, and see what the service is like. I thought=20
Gregorian chant in the Chapel at Our Lady of the Lake was
wonderful.</DIV>
<DIV>Francse<BR><BR><B><I>Pepi Plowman <pepstoil@yahoo.com></I></B>=20
wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">The=20
only thing I ever liked about church was the<BR>music. The sermons =
put
me to=20
sleep. We had one<BR>fairly intelligent and educated minister at=20
our<BR>community church in Puerto La Cruz (we shared it with<BR>the=20
Catholics, who came in for 8 a.m. mass)--he<BR>sometimes gave =
thought=20
provoking sermons, but then we<BR>got a fire and brimstone guy and
everyone=20
slept<BR>through his exhortations. He was always trying to<BR>save=20
somebody--kind of like a Jesus salesman. I liked<BR>Quaker meeting
because=20
it was quiet sometimes, except<BR>for when people got up to speak. =
The=20
Episcopalians and<BR>Catholics seemed to do a lot of up and down and =
repeat<BR>after me stuff. I've never been to a temple of any<BR>kind =
or
a=20
mosque, for that matter. I'm crazy for all<BR>the major choral =
works,=20
especially Bach. I sang them<BR>in choirs in highschool and later.
There was=20
some<BR>totally inspired church music written that makes me<BR>want =
to
fly=20
when I hear it.<BR>pep<BR>--- Wayne Johnson=20
<CADAOBH@SHENTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>> My problem is that most of my early =
Church<BR>> experience was filled with horrid white anglo saxon<BR>> =
protestant hypocricy and utter dismissal of other<BR>> religions =
whilst
insisting that Jesus should be the<BR>> half back on your football
team.=20
This drivel would<BR>> stun a ground hog for its imbecility but =
seemed=20
to<BR>> go over big in Georgetown in the Fifties. The<BR>> single=20
person of deep religious faith that I knew<BR>> personally and
respected=20
was Rev. Heinsohn of the<BR>> University Methodist Church on the =
Drag.
I=20
worked<BR>> there as a night-time custodian whilst a student at<BR>> =
UT. He was a gentleman, a true Biblical scholar and<BR>> his sermons
were=20
absent of cliche or dumb harangues.<BR>> By any measure, a great =
person
and a credit to our<BR>> species.<BR>> <BR>> wj<BR>> -----=20
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Frances Morey <BR>> To:=20
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net <BR>> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 =
7:54
PM<BR>> Subject: Re: surprise! god is in each of us...<BR>> <BR>>=20
<BR>> Wayne,<BR>> These incidences of kindness are multiplied<BR>>=20
thousands of times as church members all over are<BR>> moved to help =
their fellow humans. I've seen it in<BR>> action and even =
experienced=20
some of it myself in my<BR>> darkest moments. The church is the =
Other=20
place, away<BR>> from home and the husstle 'n' bustle of the<BR>>=20
marketplace, where people can be quite and<BR>> contemplative in=20
humility, surrounded by peace and<BR>> quiet or ethereal music, and=20
participating in the<BR>> familiar and predictable process of the=20
liturgy, if<BR>> a Mass, or listening to preachments alternating=20
with<BR>> the singing of hymns, if they happen to be<BR>> =
protestant.=20
I always prefered the Catholic practice<BR>> of keeping the whole
service=20
to an hour, homily and<BR>> all. That is merely the excuse for being =
together,<BR>> though. Perhaps god is really the human matrix =
in<BR>>=20
which we immerse ourselves and the churches are<BR>> places we are =
able
to find other humans who are<BR>> capable and willing to express =
good=20
will--I believe<BR>> that is so, anyway. My church experiences have=20
been<BR>> as described and if not I certainly let them hear<BR>> =
about=20
it. But that's another story.<BR>> Frances <BR>> <BR>> Wayne=20
Johnson <CADAOBH@SHENTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>> I just found out yesterday
that=20
a very dear<BR>> friend of our in Reston has<BR>> contract ALS and =
it=20
has already progessed to the<BR>> point where he can barely<BR>> =
brush=20
his teeth and can't clothe himself. He and<BR>> his wife had joined=20
a<BR>> local Unitarian church a couple of years ago and<BR>> these=20
good people have<BR>> taken it upon themselves to provide a world=20
of<BR>> kindness, gentleness, love<BR>> and direct physical and=20
emotional assistance to<BR>> him and his wife. This<BR>> includes=20
visits, shopping trips with and without<BR>> him, food deliveries=20
and<BR>> compansionship.<BR>> <BR>> To my old timey way of=20
thinking, this is what<BR>> "churches" used to do: love<BR>> people=20
and be supportive of those in need. Every<BR>> so often it is good =
(for
me<BR>> in particular) to be reminded that there are<BR>> those who=20
actually practice<BR>> what their religion suggests is=20
"Christian"<BR>> behavior. Of course, the<BR>> Unitarians aren't=20
exactly boil! er-plate,<BR>> orthodox, Holey-Rollers. I believe<BR>> =
Ben Franklin was a Unitarian and possibly G.<BR>> Washington as =
well.=20
Not<BR>> exactly Bible thumpers. Many of these<BR>> congregations=20
accept neo-pagan<BR>> beliefs without rancor. (Oddly, the only=20
other<BR>> church I have found with<BR>> similar sentiments was a=20
(Scottish) Episcopal<BR>> church in Campbell, CA.<BR>> Campbell =
being=20
vurrry Scottish as a person and a<BR>> clan.<BR>> <BR>> Anyway.=20
Have to say sometimes the sysems works<BR>> and works to the benefit =
of<BR>> some who really, really deserve it.<BR>> <BR>> wj<BR>>=20
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Pepi Plowman" <BR>> To:=20
<BR>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:45 PM<BR>> Subject: RE: let's =
not do nuance<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Wayne, Judy, Tele,<BR>>=20
><BR>> > I'm with you all the way on the first part.<BR>> God,=20
what<BR>> > God? Which God? But allow me to elaborate<BR>>=20
further,<BR>> > below...<BR>> > --- telebob wrote:<BR>> >=20
> Wayne-<BR>> > ><BR>> > >! ; I think as you do, and=20
thank you for<BR>> reminding us<BR>> > > that most priests=20
and<BR>> > > factotems are basically criminals who spread<BR>>=20
> > cultural myths<BR>> ><BR>> > totally. Myths that=20
preceded that particular<BR>> religion<BR>> > which the priests and=20
factotems accepted as<BR>> truth and<BR>> > preached, or myths that=20
were flagrantly made<BR>> up to<BR>> > suit a cultural bias in=20
order to bring more<BR>> ignorant<BR>> > humans to the=20
"fold".<BR>> ><BR>> > (all the better<BR>> > > if they=20
believe what they preach, it makes<BR>> it easier<BR>> > > for=20
them to sleep)in<BR>> > > order to retain and extend personal=20
and<BR>> > > institutional power. This is not to<BR>> > >=20
say that there are no benefits, since those<BR>> common<BR>> > >=20
mythyologies help to<BR>> > > create a 'public order' no matter=20
what the<BR>> standard.<BR>> > > Are religious<BR>> > >=20
societies 'better' than secular societies?<BR>> ><BR>> > Fuck,=20
no!<BR>> ><BR>> > How do<BR>> > > ! we measure? These=20
are<BR>> > > topics worthy of millions of tomes, and<BR>> indeed=20
you<BR>> > > know they are out there<BR>> > > discussing=20
this shit still, like a bunch of<BR>> > > sophomores who have=20
just<BR>> > > dicovered 'philosophy'.<BR>> ><BR>> > How=20
dare they abuse us by discussing them?!<BR>> State and<BR>> >=20
religion should not mix, Point!<BR>> > ><BR>> > > But my=20
dad, who was a doctor, was in a<BR>> > > 'philosophical' mood one=20
night, a<BR>> > > little in his cups, and he related. "I=20
watch<BR>> people<BR>> > > die and people born<BR>> > >=20
every day as a part of my job, and all I can<BR>> say is,<BR>> >=20
> 'Where does the flame<BR>> > > go when it goes out?' Does the=20
flame have a<BR>> soul?"<BR>> ><BR>> > So, did he ever answer=20
his question, or did he<BR>> just<BR>> > ask?<BR>> ><BR>>=20
> > He was not a religious<BR>> > > man, though he tried to=20
keep up appearances.<BR>> On the<BR>> > > other hand, he=20
was<BR>> > > 'moral' person w! ho enjoyed overpaying his<BR>>=20
taxes and<BR>> > > never breaking a traffic<BR>> > >=20
law.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > So when we are approached by 'holy=20
men' of<BR>> any<BR>> > > stripe, know you are being<BR>>=20
> > approached by the powers of darkness.<BR>> ><BR>> > Do=20
you really believe there is a Big Boogyman<BR>> out<BR>> >=20
there?!<BR>> ><BR>> > This includes<BR>> > > rabbis,=20
priests,<BR>> > > mullahs, and most medicine men. I put my<BR>>=20
faith in<BR>> > > the scientific method and<BR>> > > its=20
self correcting process.<BR>> > ><BR>> ><BR>> > Man,=20
I'd hate to be on the back end of a "self<BR>> > correcting process" =
inflicted on me by a<BR>> source<BR>> > outside myself (like=20
doctors and lawyers and<BR>> > policemen) when I had resources=20
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