surprise! god is in each of us...

Tue Mar 30 12:53:32 2004

Pepi,
Custom has never stopped me, and probably you, too. Maybe we could go in guy drag and see what the men are really up to.
Frances

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 --- On Tue 03/30, Judith M. Herr < herrj@comcast.net > wrote:
From: Judith M. Herr [mailto: herrj@comcast.net]
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:57:13 -0800
Subject: RE: surprise! god is in each of us...

Generally, women and men do not sit, eat, or pray together - maybe just too distracting. Non-believers are not permitted at Mecca. (The same is true in inner rooms where religious symbols are installed in Hindu temples - Vishnu and Krishna). I've been invited to Muslim celebrations like weddings or the end of Ramadan (at which non-Muslims were invited guests) that included prayer followed by a meal. In some cases, a column of tables in the middle of the room were for non-Muslims sitting together. Tables for Muslim women were on one side of the guest tables and tables for men on the other side. Judith M. Herr Well Chosen Words herrj@comcast.net 925-443-4514; 925-989-3723 (mobile) 925-292-1419 (FAX) -----Original Message----- From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net [mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Pepi Plowman Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:31 AM To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net Subject: Re: surprise! god is in each of us... Frances, Maybe to look at, but I don't think I'd want to go to any service. Women aren't allowed to pray in that religion, are they? pep --- Frances Morey <frances_morey@yahoo.com> wrote: > Pepi, > I have never been to a mosque either. We ought to go > to the one out 290 on the way to the Salt Lick. It > has $38,000 worth of gleaming gold tile on the > entrance built up so high you can see it from the > road. I would love to view it up close, and see what > the service is like. I thought Gregorian chant in > the Chapel at Our Lady of the Lake was wonderful. > Francse > > Pepi Plowman <pepstoil@yahoo.com> wrote: > The only thing I ever liked about church was the > music. The sermons put me to sleep. We had one > fairly intelligent and educated minister at our > community church in Puerto La Cruz (we shared it > with > the Catholics, who came in for 8 a.m. mass)--he > sometimes gave thought provoking sermons, but then > we > got a fire and brimstone guy and everyone slept > through his exhortations. He was always trying to > save somebody--kind of like a Jesus salesman. I > liked > Quaker meeting because it was quiet sometimes, > except > for when people got up to speak. The Episcopalians > and > Catholics seemed to do a lot of up and down and > repeat > after me stuff. I've never been to a temple of any > kind or a mosque, for that matter. I'm crazy for all > the major choral works, especially Bach. I sang them > in choirs in highschool and later. There was some > totally inspired church music written that makes me > want to fly when I hear it. > pep > --- Wayne Johnson wrote: > > My problem is that most of my early Church > > experience was filled with horrid white anglo > saxon > > protestant hypocricy and utter dismissal of other > > religions whilst insisting that Jesus should be > the > > half back on your football team. This drivel would > > stun a ground hog for its imbecility but seemed to > > go over big in Georgetown in the Fifties. The > > single person of deep religious faith that I knew > > personally and respected was Rev. Heinsohn of the > > University Methodist Church on the Drag. I worked > > there as a night-time custodian whilst a student > at > > UT. He was a gentleman, a true Biblical scholar > and > > his sermons were absent of cliche or dumb > harangues. > > By any measure, a great person and a credit to our > > species. > > > > wj > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Frances Morey > > To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net > > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:54 PM > > Subject: Re: surprise! god is in each of us... > > > > > > Wayne, > > These incidences of kindness are multiplied > > thousands of times as church members all over are > > moved to help their fellow humans. I've seen it in > > action and even e
 xperienced some of it myself in > my > > darkest moments. The church is the Other place, > away > > from home and the husstle 'n' bustle of the > > marketplace, where people can be quite and > > contemplative in humility, surrounded by peace and > > quiet or ethereal music, and participating in the > > familiar and predictable process of the liturgy, > if > > a Mass, or listening to preachments alternating > with > > the singing of hymns, if they happen to be > > protestant. I always prefered the Catholic > practice > > of keeping the whole service to an hour, homily > and > > all. That is merely the excuse for being together, > > though. Perhaps god is really the human matrix in > > which we immerse ourselves and the churches are > > places we are able to find other humans who are > > capable and willing to express good will--I > believe > > that is so, anyway. My church experiences have > been > > as described and if not I certainly let them hear > > about it. But that's another story. > > Frances > > > > Wayne Johnson wrote: > > I just found out yesterday that a very dear > > friend of our in Reston has > > contract ALS and it has already progessed to the > > point where he can barely > > brush his teeth and can't clothe himself. He and > > his wife had joined a > > local Unitarian church a couple of years ago and > > these good people have > > taken it upon themselves to provide a world of > > kindness, gentleness, love > > and direct physical and emotional assistance to > > him and his wife. This > > includes visits, shopping trips with and without > > him, food deliveries and > > compansionship. > > > > To my old timey way of thinking, this is what > > "churches" used to do: love > > people and be supportive of those in need. Every > > so often it is good (for me > > in particular) to be reminded that there are > > those who actually practice > > what their religion suggests is "Christian" > > behavior. Of course, the > > Unitarians aren't exactly boil! er-plate, > > orthodox, Holey-Rollers. I believe > > Ben Franklin was a Unitarian and possibly G. > > Washington as well. Not > > exactly Bible thumpers. Many of these > > congregations accept neo-pagan > > beliefs without rancor. (Oddly, the only other > > church I have found with > > similar sentiments was a (Scottish) Episcopal > > church in Campbell, CA. > > Campbell being vurrry Scottish as a person and a > > clan. > > > > Anyway. Have to say sometimes the sysems works > > and works to the benefit of > > some who really, really deserve it. > > > > wj > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pepi Plowman" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:45 PM > > Subject: RE: let's not do nuance > > > > > > > Wayne, Judy, Tele, > > > > > > I'm with you all the way on the first part. > > God, what > > > God? Which God? But allow me to elaborate > > further, > > > below... > > > --- telebob wrote: > > > > Wayne- > > > > > > > >! ; I think as you do, and thank you for > > reminding us > > > > that most priests and > > > > factotems are basically criminals who spread > > > > cultural myths > > > > > > totally. Myths that preceded that particular > > religion > > > which the priests and factotems accepted as > > truth and > > > preached, or myths that were flagrantly made > > up to > > > suit a cultural bias in order to bring more > > ignorant > > > humans to the "fold". > > > > > > (all the better > > > > if they believe what they preach, it makes > > it easier > > > > for them to sleep)in > > > > order to retain and extend personal and > > > > institutional power. This is not to > > > > say that there are no benefits, since those > > common > > > > mythyologies help to > > > > create a 'public order' no matter what the > > standard. > > > > Are religious > > > > societies 'better' than secular societies? > > > > > > Fuck, no! > > > > > > How do > > > > ! we measure? These are > > > > topics worthy of millions of tomes, and > > indeed you > > > > know they are out there > > > > discussing this shit still, like a bunch of > > > > sophomores who have just > > > > dicovered 'philosophy'. > > > > > > How dare they abuse us by discussing them?! > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html