ME turmoil

[Pepi Plowman]

Thanks, Wayne, for your explications.  I had to read
the Koran and the Baghavad-Gita in Bible class in
highschool.  But it's been a long, long time.  I just
wish people would leave their religion out of the
quotient and just try to get along with everyone else.
 Oh, well.
pep
--- Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net> wrote:
> This is a direct quote from our Greenwich Village
> correspondant....."war
> mongering, mammon
> worshiping, soulless american."  I think it is kinda
> cute myself.
> 
> Jesus is reputedly born around what we now call 1
> AD, which is probably 4 AD
> as accounts are mixed.
> 
> Muhammed arrives on the scene much later.  The
> Israelites have been kicking
> around the Dead Sea/Jordan area for who knows how
> long.  They were displaced
> originally, I think, by Assyrians or some other
> warring tribe and wound up
> over in Egypt.  After leaving E. they traveled
> around in what is now south
> Iraq where they picked up a bunch of new ideas from
> other tribes (like Angel
> Messangers, from I think, the Zoroastrians.)  This
> region was a real hot bed
> of religious and mythical fervor with many, many,
> many religions in the
> area, some still around, most gone missing.  There
> have been Jews or people
> we now call Jews or Semites there for thousands of
> years.  Except for more
> recent additions, they are genetically indentical to
> everyone else in that
> area.  Have to go to Egypt or Southern Arabia to
> find more distinct
> differences due to their blending with Africans and
> Asians.  Whole vicinity
> one big genetic soup with everyone related to
> everyone else from four or
> five thousand years ago.  So much trade, so much
> travel, so much warfare
> with resultant, uh, mixing of genes.  Things begin
> to sort out more clearly
> with the rise of the more successful city states
> like Babylon, later
> Athenian league (ca. 450 BC) etc.  Romans really
> began the work of
> identifying people as to where they were born
> because they were recording
> and taxing fanatics.
> 
> Islam is a relilgion with its basis in the Old
> Testament. If you pick up a
> translation of the Koran, one of the things you see
> right away is how
> important Moses is in Islamic religious history. 
> Jesus is considered a
> major prophet.  No disagreement there, but the
> overall "tone", I guess, is
> that of codified Arabic/Bedouin/Tuareg/Nomadic et al
> tribal beliefs.  Many
> of these still exist, in horrifying ways like female
> castration, in parts of
> the Sudan today.  These are not specific to the
> Koran,  they are tribal
> traditions.  Much of what is their is "tribal
> knowledge" just like the Old
> Testament.
> 
> Well, enough of my amateur history.  Best talk to
> others on the web,
> especially Mike E. with much better facts and
> figures at their disposal.
> 
> Hope this gets you started.
> 
> wayne
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
> To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:12 AM
> Subject: Re: ME turmoil
> 
> 
> > Please explain to this naif, what "WMMWSA" (white,
> > married male with substance abuse?) means.
> >
> > What I want to know is who came first? Christ or
> > Muhammed? (Was Muhammed 800 A.D.?)  I know, I
> could go
> > look it up in the library, but it's easier this
> way.
> > When and why, in historical terms, did the
> Israelites
> > leave Jerusalem?  In the Diaspora? And wasn't that
> Way
> > Back? I know that at the time of Jesus, his people
> > called the place home.  Where were the Arabs then?
> I
> > swear, I think Christians helped dig the rift
> between
> > Arabs and Jews--if they hadn't been out treasure
> > hunting and murdering everyone in their path, the
> > place might have stood a chance!
> >
> > The Spaniards already had their fill of a Fascist
> > regime--they didn't need the Bush agenda to rob
> them
> > of the tenuous freedom they've enjoyed since
> Franco's
> > demise.
> >
> > And friends from Canada say, "You should see what
> Bush
> > looks like OUTSIDE the U.S." The whole world is
> topsy
> > turvy, and Shrub is just a poor, stupid mofo like
> > everyone else (I want to say the rest of us, but
> fear
> > the reprisals).  I kind of feel sorry for the
> dude--if
> > I were truly Christian, I would say, he cain't
> he'p
> > it!  "There must be some way outta here, ..."
> >
> > pep
> > --- Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net> wrote:
> > > Cher.
> > >
> > > Well, speaking as one WMMWSA to another, what I
> have
> > > read is that most
> > > Europeans are perfectly capable of
> distinguishing
> > > between our dumb-ass
> > > Facist Prez and the rest of us.  Of course, I
> > > haven't been there recently so
> > > I could be wrong.  Blair isn't terribly high on
> > > anyone's list either.  The
> > > new Spanish government, however, looks quite
> > > promising.  Social(istically)
> > > speaking.
> > >
> > > Yours in war and mammon mongering,
> > > wj
> > >
> > > btw.  While 9/11 had Israel as a contributing
> > > factor, we have made our,
> > > uh...or maybe, ugh....presence felt in the ME
> for
> > > sufficient time to warrant
> > > our own hate list.  Think CIA.  Think Iran.
> Think
> > > GOP support of Saddam
> > > through the years.
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Stephanie Chernikowski"
> > > <stephaniecher@earthlink.net>
> > > To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:54 AM
> > > Subject: Re: "our sponsorship of Israel brought
> on
> > > 9/11" -- I am quoting
> > > Gerry Storm
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, at 10:41 AM,
> Michael
> > > Eisenstadt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > please dont make that pig Sharon into a
> > > synecdoche for
> > > > > jews in general.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > most of the people i know, especially jews,
> > > dislike sharon, myself
> > > > included. i kinda feel it is not unlike what
> is
> > > happening here. bush
> > > > doesn't represent me, yet i am condemned as a
> war
> > > mongering, mammon
> > > > worshiping, soulless american because of him.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stephanie Chernikowski
> > > > StepCherPhoto.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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