Haiti
Wayne Johnson
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Fri Mar 12 22:44:35 2004
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In or around 1965 or so, I took a graduate (Developmental) Economics =
class at UT from one Benjamin Higgins who had gotten his PhD from no =
less than Joseph Schumpeter at Harvard. Higgiins would leave from time =
to time to do stuff and, interestingly, the people who sat in to replace =
him were usually Marxists from Poland or similar. One such economist =
spent a day or so talking about Haiti. He was, as did Higgins, pretty =
sure that no form of "trickle down" monies ever worked for any economic =
development or in the development of any Third World country such as =
Haiti. =20
At that time, and this was over forty years ago now, he said that Haiti =
was "essentially lost". It has no viable resources save some =
agricultural stuff which can't compete with other economies. They are =
always in the position of spending "cheap" money (ie labor intensive/low =
cost) to buy "expensive" goods (you name it.)
How sad that nothing has changed much in the last forty years. No =
wonder Economics is often called the Dismal Science. What can be more =
dismal than Haiti right now? By comparison, Cuba looks like California.
wj
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Igor Loving=20
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 8:56 PM
Subject: RE: Fwd: La Merde
I met with my diplomat pal from Germany who was a onetime a pal of =
Aristide and we drank coffee, ok it was tequilla. He was a diplomat who =
chose to go to Hatti instead of other cushy places and worked very very =
hard to hellp. His stories are as awful as awful can be. He alows as how =
it is all hopeless and that we shoudl just step away from the table and =
let what may take place. These people are totally screwed up I am sad to =
say. Having travled in Congo and CAF etc. I agree that money has become =
the root of all the evil and only mad dogs and english men go out in the =
noon day sun, americans are too stupid do do anything but fart.
>From: Frances Morey=20
>Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
>To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
>Subject: Fwd: La Merde=20
>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:29:13 -0800 (PST)=20
>=20
>=20
>This correspondent is in Jamaica so we should get some exquisite =
updates on Aristide's stay there.=20
>=20
>FM=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:00:52 -0500=20
>To: (Recipient list suppressed)=20
>From: David Rubinson=20
>Subject: La Merde=20
>=20
>Can you believe the guy's name is LaTortue (The Turtle, in French).=20
>Too bad its not L'Autruche or La Mouflette. *=20
> =
* (Ostrich and Skunk)=20
>=20
>---------------------------------=20
>Aristide coming to Jamaica=20
>Ousted Haitian leader will stay up to 10 weeks=20
>Observer Reporter=20
=
>http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20040311T230000-0500_57007_OBS_=
ARISTIDE_COMING_TO_JAMAICA.asp=20
>Friday, March 12, 2004=20
>=20
>ARISTIDE. to arrive in Jamaica next week=20
>=20
>OVERTHROWN Haitian president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, will come to =
Jamaica next week for a stay of up to 10 weeks, but the Opposition last =
night branded the government's decision to welcome Aristide as "unwise" =
and said that he should be allowed to stay for no more than three weeks. =
>=20
>Apparently, Jamaica Labour Party (JLP) leader, Edward Seaga, fears =
that Aristide will use his stay in Jamaica to hatch plots for his return =
to the Haitian presidency and said that less time here would limit that =
possibility.=20
>=20
>"Jamaica must not be a staging ground for any resurgence of the =
Haitian revolution," Seaga said in a statement. "Our interest must be =
protected."=20
>=20
>The US embassy, with which the Jamaican Government has quarrelled =
over Aristide's ostensible February 29 resignation and transportation to =
exile in the Central African Republic, declined immediate comment on =
Jamaica's announcement of the Aristide visit, except that the issue =
would be watched closely.=20
>=20
>They, like the Canadians who also supported Aristide's removal from =
power, were apparently awaiting instructions from their governments.=20
>=20
>"We can't make extemporaneous comments," said a spokesman for the =
Canadian high commission. "We need to consult with our government in =
Canada."=20
>=20
>Prime Minister P J Patterson, who also chairs the 15-member Caribbean =
Community (Caricom), announced Aristide's planned visit, and said that =
the ousted leader and his wife Mildred wanted to return to the Caribbean =
temporarily and to be reunited with their two young children who are =
currently in the United States.=20
>=20
>"I want to emphasise that Mr Aristide is not seeking political asylum =
in Jamaica," Patterson said. "His stay in Jamaica is not expected to be =
in excess of eight to 10 weeks. He is engaged in finalising arrangements =
for permanent residence outside the region."=20
>=20
>It was not clear where Aristide will go after his Jamaican sojourn, =
but his next likely stop appears to be South Africa although that =
country's deputy foreign minister Aziz Pahad said on Wednesday that it =
was "not sure" the ex-leader of Haiti would be given asylum there. It is =
believed, though, that a South African asylum will be finalised after =
the general election on April 14, which President Thabo Mbeki's African =
National Congress is expected to win.=20
>=20
>Pahad had held talks with Aristide in the Central African Republic =
capital of Bangui.=20
>=20
>It seemed in Bangui that the Central African Republic's leader, =
Francois Bozize, had no knowledge of Aristide's imminent plan to come to =
Jamaica.=20
>=20
>"We are a hospitable country, which is why Jean-Bertrand Aristide is =
here. And he will stay here for a while," Bozize said on national radio =
yesterday.=20
>=20
>Jamaica has communicated its decision to host Aristide to Caricom =
"and to the governments who were originally involved in working together =
to seek a solution to the Haitian crisis", Patterson said.=20
>=20
>The latter reference was apparently to the United States, Canada and =
France who had initially backed a Caricom initiative for a power-sharing =
arrangement in Haiti that would have kept Aristide in office for the =
remaining two years of his presidency, cohabiting with a prime minister =
chosen by a group of 'wise men'.=20
>=20
>Caricom felt the region was betrayed by the Western troika when, in =
the face of Opposition intransigence and a rebel insurgency mounted by =
former coup plotters and death squad leaders, they abandoned the plan =
and put pressure on Aristide to leave.=20
>=20
>Aristide has claimed that he was all but kidnapped and forced out of =
the country and Caricom, backed by the 53-member African Union, has =
called for a United Nations-led investigation into the circumstances =
under which Aristide left Haiti.=20
>=20
>Significantly, though, Patterson in yesterday's statement referred to =
the ousted leader as "former president Jean-Bertrand Aristide" and noted =
that "a new president (Haitian Chief Justice Boniface Alexandre) has =
taken the oath of office". Previously, Patterson and his Caricom =
colleagues had questioned the constitutionality of Alexandre's =
accession.=20
>=20
>Another signal of Jamaica's and Caricom's pragmatic acceptance of the =
new situation in Haiti was the apparent acceptance of the appointment of =
Gerard LaTortue, the former United Nations official, as prime minister =
under the remnants of the Caricom initiative.=20
>=20
>"He is well-known to the regional and international community and =
highly respected," Patterson said.=20
>=20
>LaTortue, Patterson disclosed, had made direct contact with him, =
proposing a visit to Jamaica for discussions on the Haitian situation =
ahead of the Caricom summit in St Kitts later this month. Haiti will be =
high on the agenda at that meeting.=20
>LaTortue returned to Haiti on Wednesday and although he has not yet =
been officially sworn-in to replace Aristide appointee, Yvon Neptune, he =
has already begun to craft his government.=20
>=20
>"I came here with my mind open to work with everyone in Haiti," =
LaTortue said yesterday. "I'm not a member of any political party."=20
>=20
>But with distrust and anger running deep in Haiti, his job of pulling =
disparate elements together will not be easy.=20
>=20
>Yesterday, for instance, shots were fired as hundreds of people =
carrying parasols with Aristide's image clashed with Haitian police in =
downtown Belair. Witnesses said at least one woman was wounded.=20
>=20
>"Aristide has to come back! We don't want Bush as president!" the =
protesters yelled.=20
>=20
>"They've named a new prime minister who we don't know," said =
demonstrator Enock Lubin, 25. "It's an illegal act."=20
>- Observer reporters and wire services=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> David Rubinson=20
> ,,,, ,,,,=20
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> in J A M A I C A=20
> YAH !! MON !!=20
>=20
>Quote of The Day:=20
>=20
>"...Aristide did something far worse than stuffing ballots or killing =
people - he tried to raise the minimum wage, to the princely sum of two =
dollars a day..."=20
>=20
>Chris Floyd, Counterpunch March 10,2004=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>---------------------------------=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In or around 1965 or so, I took a =
graduate=20
(Developmental) Economics class at UT from one Benjamin Higgins who had =
gotten=20
his PhD from no less than Joseph Schumpeter at Harvard. Higgiins =
would=20
leave from time to time to do stuff and, interestingly, the people who =
sat in to=20
replace him were usually Marxists from Poland or similar. One such =
economist spent a day or so talking about Haiti. He was, as did =
Higgins,=20
pretty sure that no form of "trickle down" monies ever worked for any =
economic=20
development or in the development of any Third World country such as=20
Haiti. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At that time, and this was over forty =
years ago=20
now, he said that Haiti was "essentially lost". It has no viable =
resources=20
save some agricultural stuff which can't compete with other =
economies. =20
They are always in the position of spending "cheap" money (ie labor=20
intensive/low cost) to buy "expensive" goods (you name it.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How sad that nothing has changed much =
in the last=20
forty years. No wonder Economics is often called the Dismal =
Science. =20
What can be more dismal than Haiti right now? By comparison, Cuba =
looks=20
like California.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>wj</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dlovingigor@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:lovingigor@hotmail.com">Igor=20
Loving</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Daustin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
=
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net">austin-ghetto-list@pairli=
st.net</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 12, 2004 =
8:56=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Fwd: La =
Merde</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DRTE>
<P>I met with my diplomat pal from Germany who was a onetime a pal of =
Aristide=20
and we drank coffee, ok it was tequilla. He was a diplomat who chose =
to go to=20
Hatti instead of other cushy places and worked very very hard to =
hellp. His=20
stories are as awful as awful can be. He alows as how it is all =
hopeless and=20
that we shoudl just step away from the table and let what may take =
place.=20
These people are totally screwed up I am sad to say. Having travled in =
Congo=20
and CAF etc. I agree that money has become the root of all the evil =
and only=20
mad dogs and english men go out in the noon day sun, americans are too =
stupid=20
do do anything but fart.<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: Frances Morey <FRANCES_MOREY@YAHOO.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
<DIV></DIV>>To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Fwd: La Merde=20
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:29:13 -0800 (PST)=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>This correspondent is in Jamaica so we should get some=20
exquisite updates on Aristide's stay there.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>FM=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:00:52 -0500=20
<DIV></DIV>>To: (Recipient list suppressed)=20
<DIV></DIV>>From: David Rubinson=20
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: La Merde=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Can you believe the guy's name is LaTortue (The Turtle, =
in=20
French).=20
<DIV></DIV>>Too bad its not L'Autruche or La Mouflette. *=20
=
<DIV></DIV>> &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p; * =20
(Ostrich and Skunk)=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>---------------------------------=20
<DIV></DIV>>Aristide coming to Jamaica=20
<DIV></DIV>>Ousted Haitian leader will stay up to 10 weeks=20
<DIV></DIV>>Observer Reporter=20
=
<DIV></DIV>>http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20040311T230000-0=
500_57007_OBS_ARISTIDE_COMING_TO_JAMAICA.asp=20
<DIV></DIV>>Friday, March 12, 2004=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>ARISTIDE. to arrive in Jamaica next week=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>OVERTHROWN Haitian president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, =
will come=20
to Jamaica next week for a stay of up to 10 weeks, but the Opposition =
last=20
night branded the government's decision to welcome Aristide as =
"unwise" and=20
said that he should be allowed to stay for no more than three weeks.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Apparently, Jamaica Labour Party (JLP) leader, Edward =
Seaga,=20
fears that Aristide will use his stay in Jamaica to hatch plots for =
his return=20
to the Haitian presidency and said that less time here would limit =
that=20
possibility.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>"Jamaica must not be a staging ground for any =
resurgence of the=20
Haitian revolution," Seaga said in a statement. "Our interest must be=20
protected."=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>The US embassy, with which the Jamaican Government has=20
quarrelled over Aristide's ostensible February 29 resignation and=20
transportation to exile in the Central African Republic, declined =
immediate=20
comment on Jamaica's announcement of the Aristide visit, except that =
the issue=20
would be watched closely.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>They, like the Canadians who also supported Aristide's =
removal=20
from power, were apparently awaiting instructions from their =
governments.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>"We can't make extemporaneous comments," said a =
spokesman for=20
the Canadian high commission. "We need to consult with our government =
in=20
Canada."=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Prime Minister P J Patterson, who also chairs the =
15-member=20
Caribbean Community (Caricom), announced Aristide's planned visit, and =
said=20
that the ousted leader and his wife Mildred wanted to return to the =
Caribbean=20
temporarily and to be reunited with their two young children who are =
currently=20
in the United States.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>"I want to emphasise that Mr Aristide is not seeking =
political=20
asylum in Jamaica," Patterson said. "His stay in Jamaica is not =
expected to be=20
in excess of eight to 10 weeks. He is engaged in finalising =
arrangements for=20
permanent residence outside the region."=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>It was not clear where Aristide will go after his =
Jamaican=20
sojourn, but his next likely stop appears to be South Africa although =
that=20
country's deputy foreign minister Aziz Pahad said on Wednesday that it =
was=20
"not sure" the ex-leader of Haiti would be given asylum there. It is =
believed,=20
though, that a South African asylum will be finalised after the =
general=20
election on April 14, which President Thabo Mbeki's African National =
Congress=20
is expected to win.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Pahad had held talks with Aristide in the Central =
African=20
Republic capital of Bangui.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>It seemed in Bangui that the Central African Republic's =
leader,=20
Francois Bozize, had no knowledge of Aristide's imminent plan to come =
to=20
Jamaica.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>"We are a hospitable country, which is why =
Jean-Bertrand=20
Aristide is here. And he will stay here for a while," Bozize said on =
national=20
radio yesterday.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Jamaica has communicated its decision to host Aristide =
to=20
Caricom "and to the governments who were originally involved in =
working=20
together to seek a solution to the Haitian crisis", Patterson said.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>The latter reference was apparently to the United =
States,=20
Canada and France who had initially backed a Caricom initiative for a=20
power-sharing arrangement in Haiti that would have kept Aristide in =
office for=20
the remaining two years of his presidency, cohabiting with a prime =
minister=20
chosen by a group of 'wise men'.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Caricom felt the region was betrayed by the Western =
troika=20
when, in the face of Opposition intransigence and a rebel insurgency =
mounted=20
by former coup plotters and death squad leaders, they abandoned the =
plan and=20
put pressure on Aristide to leave.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Aristide has claimed that he was all but kidnapped and =
forced=20
out of the country and Caricom, backed by the 53-member African Union, =
has=20
called for a United Nations-led investigation into the circumstances =
under=20
which Aristide left Haiti.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Significantly, though, Patterson in yesterday's =
statement=20
referred to the ousted leader as "former president Jean-Bertrand =
Aristide" and=20
noted that "a new president (Haitian Chief Justice Boniface Alexandre) =
has=20
taken the oath of office". Previously, Patterson and his Caricom =
colleagues=20
had questioned the constitutionality of Alexandre's accession.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Another signal of Jamaica's and Caricom's pragmatic =
acceptance=20
of the new situation in Haiti was the apparent acceptance of the =
appointment=20
of Gerard LaTortue, the former United Nations official, as prime =
minister=20
under the remnants of the Caricom initiative.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>"He is well-known to the regional and international =
community=20
and highly respected," Patterson said.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>LaTortue, Patterson disclosed, had made direct contact =
with=20
him, proposing a visit to Jamaica for discussions on the Haitian =
situation=20
ahead of the Caricom summit in St Kitts later this month. Haiti will =
be high=20
on the agenda at that meeting.=20
<DIV></DIV>>LaTortue returned to Haiti on Wednesday and although he =
has not=20
yet been officially sworn-in to replace Aristide appointee, Yvon =
Neptune, he=20
has already begun to craft his government.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>"I came here with my mind open to work with everyone in =
Haiti,"=20
LaTortue said yesterday. "I'm not a member of any political party."=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>But with distrust and anger running deep in Haiti, his =
job of=20
pulling disparate elements together will not be easy.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Yesterday, for instance, shots were fired as hundreds =
of people=20
carrying parasols with Aristide's image clashed with Haitian police in =
downtown Belair. Witnesses said at least one woman was wounded.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>"Aristide has to come back! We don't want Bush as =
president!"=20
the protesters yelled.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>"They've named a new prime minister who we don't know," =
said=20
demonstrator Enock Lubin, 25. "It's an illegal act."=20
<DIV></DIV>>- Observer reporters and wire services=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
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p; David=20
Rubinson=20
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MON !!=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Quote of The Day:=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>"...Aristide did something far worse than stuffing =
ballots or=20
killing people - he tried to raise the minimum wage, to the princely =
sum of=20
two dollars a day..."=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Chris Floyd, Counterpunch March 10,2004=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>---------------------------------=20
<DIV></DIV>>Do you Yahoo!?=20
<DIV></DIV>>Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster.=20
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