Martha Stewart, prize goat, scapegoat...

Wayne Johnson austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Fri Mar 12 16:14:06 2004


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Interesting that this is the same thing that Jack McClellan told me some =
years prior to the Miranda Rule.  "If you talk to the cops when I am not =
around, then I won't represent you.  Quote me."  A lawyer quite ahead of =
his time.

wj
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  From: Frances Morey=20
  To: David Rubinson=20
  Cc: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
  Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:31 PM
  Subject: Martha Stewart, prize goat, scapegoat...


  David,
  I care passionately about Martha--she and I are both age mates and =
suffered harrowing divorces with lingering residual pain long after the =
fact. I hold a BS degree in Home Economics and I watched her shows =
religiously as only reason I had to even turn on daytime television. It =
came out in some news commentary that the actual statements that were =
the basis of the criminal conviction were not distinguished as =
potentially dangerous. They were prefaced with no "whole truth" oath, no =
Miranda rights being read or anything like that. She responded as though =
it were merely a conversation and not the legal tar baby it morphed =
into. I hope cable picks up her show after this is all over, because she =
is a class act, packed her shows with good ideas and information and =
rarely gave us a rerun even during the last harrowing weeks leading up =
to the final verdict. Hardly a Joan of Arc-type, she is the Leona Helms! =
ley of the decade, too rich and famous to be perceived as victim and =
held up as an example to warn us all that to speak up carries with it =
the possibility of grave consequences. Her right to remain silent is no =
lesson lost on us -- that the exercise of "freedom of speech" can be =
downright dangerous to personal freedom. Her biggest mistake was in not =
choosing a "sexier" lawyer, handsome and more agile in turning a phrase, =
ie. someone who the ladies on the jury couldn't resist no matter what he =
might have asked of them. A Tom Cruise clone would have appeased their =
demand for her testimony as they could have basked in his glow and would =
have been more inclined to grovel for his approval with a not guilty =
verdict.
  FM=20

  David Rubinson <rubinson@kab.com> wrote:
    Do we care about Martha Stewart ?
    Not too much.
    Useful to show the basic unfairness of the Federal (In)Justice =
System-- dominated by pure partisanship, cronyism and headline grabbing =
-
    Hey Look, Ken Lay is on the beach and Martha is going to the joint, =
see !
    Or- they're only hitting her because she's a rich successful =
assertive woman.
    Undoubtedly both true.

    But there IS a real lesson to be learned-  and if you have had even =
your one good eye open, one ear unplugged, and your nose in relatively =
decent working order for the past three years of Ashcroft and Company-  =
you will know -
    SAY NOTHING TO THE COPS.
    NOTHING NADA RIEN ZILCH BUBKES.
    Here comes March 20.
    SAY NOTHING TO THE COPS.
    In August when Bush and Company invade midtown Manhattan and walk =
all over the dying ground at the WTC-
    SAY NOTHING TO THE COPS.
    We all think we ! be smarter than them.
    Probably this is true.
    Doesn't mean a thing.
    Cops are Cops.
    SAY NOTHING TO THE COPS.

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    What Nat King Cole Would Have Told Martha Stewart
    by Charles Adams
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/adams4.html
    by Charles Adams


    Nat King Cole was unquestionably one of the best, if not the best, =
crooners of his day. The unique record shape of the Capitol Records =
Building in Hollywood, has been called, the "House that Cole Built." He =
was financially successful, ranking with the richest in Hollywood.

    His complicated financial affairs, as might be expected, caught the =
attention of the federal government at times. His attorney instructed =
him to tell the feds, if they contacted him: "I will sing for you, but =
if you want to talk, you ! will have to talk with my attorney." This =
lawyer, who passed away many years ago, told all his clients that they =
must never talk to a government agent under any circumstances, and if =
they did, he would withdraw from the case and they would have to find =
other counsel to represent them. This was not an idle threat; I know of =
one case where he did just that. Martha could have told the feds, "I =
will bake you a pie."

    It is hard to believe that Martha Stewart had not, in her long =
career in big business dealings, been similarly advised by the many =
high-powered, and high-priced, attorneys she must have dealt with over =
the years. Not just once, but maybe many times. On the same score, she =
must have been told that to act as your own attorney, is to have a fool =
for a client, and a legal quack for an attorney. Martha certainly must =
have heard those pieces of horse sense.

    Aggressive prosecutors, police, investigators, in all walks of =
government have a long history of making f! alse charges, arrests, =
manufacturing evidence, and even convicting the innocent, especially =
when they can bring down the rich and famous. The most aggressive =
prosecutors are known in the profession as head-hunters, wanting to have =
the head of some celebrity, like Martha's, mounted over their fireplace, =
or in some place they can crow about. Like it or not, we have to protect =
ourselves from over-zealous governments. And this is not a disease of =
our government, or of our age, but of all governments everywhere. As =
Thomas Paine stated at the founding of America, "Government is a =
necessary evil, at best; at worst, an intolerable one." If Martha =
Stewart didn't know that, she does now.


               David Rubinson
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Interesting that this is the same thing =
that Jack=20
McClellan told me some years prior to the Miranda Rule.&nbsp; "If you =
talk to=20
the cops when I am not around, then I won't represent you.&nbsp; Quote=20
me."&nbsp; A lawyer quite ahead of his time.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>wj</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dfrances_morey@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:frances_morey@yahoo.com">Frances=20
  Morey</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drubinson@kab.com =

  href=3D"mailto:rubinson@kab.com">David Rubinson</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
  title=3Daustin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 12, 2004 =
2:31=20
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Martha Stewart, prize =
goat,=20
  scapegoat...</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>David,</DIV>
  <DIV>I care passionately about Martha--she and I are both age mates=20
  and&nbsp;suffered&nbsp;harrowing divorces with lingering&nbsp;residual =
pain=20
  long after the fact. I hold a BS degree in Home Economics and&nbsp;I =
watched=20
  her shows religiously as only reason I had to even turn on daytime =
television.=20
  It came out in some news commentary that the actual statements that =
were the=20
  basis of&nbsp;the criminal conviction were not distinguished as =
potentially=20
  dangerous. They were&nbsp;prefaced with no "whole truth" oath, no =
Miranda=20
  rights being read or anything like that. She responded as though it =
were=20
  merely a conversation and not the legal tar baby it morphed into. I =
hope cable=20
  picks up her show after this is all over, because she is a class act, =
packed=20
  her shows&nbsp;with good ideas and&nbsp;information&nbsp;and rarely =
gave us a=20
  rerun even during the&nbsp;last harrowing weeks&nbsp;leading=20
  up&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;final&nbsp;verdict. Hardly a Joan of =
Arc-type, she is=20
  the Leona Helms! ley of the decade, too rich and famous to be =
perceived as=20
  victim and held up as an example&nbsp;to&nbsp;warn&nbsp;us all that=20
  to&nbsp;speak up&nbsp;carries with it&nbsp;the possibility of grave=20
  consequences. Her right to remain silent is no lesson lost on us -- =
that the=20
  exercise of "freedom of speech" can be downright dangerous to personal =

  freedom.&nbsp;Her biggest mistake was in not choosing a "sexier"=20
  lawyer,&nbsp;handsome and more agile in turning a phrase, ie. someone =
who the=20
  ladies on the jury couldn't resist no matter what&nbsp;he&nbsp;might =
have=20
  asked of&nbsp;them. A Tom Cruise&nbsp;clone would have appeased their =
demand=20
  for her testimony as they could have basked in his glow and would have =
been=20
  more inclined to grovel for his approval with a not guilty =
verdict.</DIV>
  <DIV>FM&nbsp;<BR><BR><B><I>David Rubinson =
&lt;rubinson@kab.com&gt;</I></B>=20
  wrote:</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20
  style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px =
solid">Do=20
    we care about Martha Stewart ?<BR>Not too much.<BR>Useful to show =
the basic=20
    unfairness of the Federal (In)Justice System-- dominated by pure=20
    partisanship, cronyism and headline grabbing -<BR>Hey Look, Ken Lay =
is on=20
    the beach and Martha is going to the joint, see !<BR>Or- they're =
only=20
    hitting her because she's a rich successful assertive =
woman.<BR>Undoubtedly=20
    both true.<BR><BR>But there IS a real lesson to be learned-&nbsp; =
and if you=20
    have had even your one good eye open, one ear unplugged, and your =
nose in=20
    relatively decent working order for the past three years of Ashcroft =
and=20
    Company-&nbsp; you will know -<BR>SAY NOTHING TO THE =
COPS.<BR>NOTHING NADA=20
    RIEN ZILCH BUBKES.<BR>Here comes March 20.<BR>SAY NOTHING TO THE =
COPS.<BR>In=20
    August when Bush and Company invade midtown Manhattan and walk all =
over the=20
    dying ground at the WTC-<BR>SAY NOTHING TO THE COPS.<BR>We all think =
we ! be=20
    smarter than them.<BR>Probably this is true.<BR>Doesn't mean a=20
    thing.<BR>Cops are Cops.<BR>SAY NOTHING TO THE COPS.<BR>
    <HR>

    <DIV align=3Dcenter>
    <H1><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman, Times" size=3D6><B>What Nat King =
Cole Would=20
    Have Told Martha Stewart</B></FONT></H1><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman, Times"=20
    size=3D3><B>by <A href=3D"mailto:cadams000@sympatico.ca">Charles =
Adams</A><BR><A=20
    href=3D"http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/adams4.html"=20
    =
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/adams4.html<BR></A></=
FONT><FONT=20
    color=3D#ffffff size=3D1>by Charles =
Adams<BR><BR></B></FONT></DIV><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman, Times" size=3D3>Nat King Cole was =
unquestionably one of=20
    the best, if not <I>the</I> best, crooners of his day. The unique =
record=20
    shape of the Capitol Records Building in Hollywood, has been called, =
the=20
    "House that Cole Built." He was financially successful, ranking with =
the=20
    richest in Hollywood.<BR><BR>His complicated financial affairs, as =
might be=20
    expected, caught the attention of the federal government at times. =
His=20
    attorney instructed him to tell the feds, if they contacted him: "I =
will=20
    sing for you, but if you want to talk, you ! will have to talk with =
my=20
    attorney." This lawyer, who passed away many years ago, told all his =
clients=20
    that they must never talk to a government agent under any =
circumstances, and=20
    if they did, he would withdraw from the case and they would have to =
find=20
    other counsel to represent them. This was not an idle threat; I know =
of one=20
    case where he did just that. <B>Martha could have told the feds, "I =
will=20
    bake you a pie."<BR><BR></B>It is hard to believe that Martha =
Stewart had=20
    not, in her long career in big business dealings, been similarly =
advised by=20
    the many high-powered, and high-priced, attorneys she must have =
dealt with=20
    over the years. Not just once, but maybe many times. On the same =
score, she=20
    must have been told that to act as your own attorney, is to have a =
fool for=20
    a client, and a legal quack for an attorney. Martha certainly must =
have=20
    heard those pieces of horse sense.<BR><BR>Aggressive prosecutors, =
police,=20
    investigators, in all walks of government have a long history of =
making f!=20
    alse charges, arrests, manufacturing evidence, and even convicting =
the=20
    innocent, especially when they can bring down the rich and famous. =
The most=20
    aggressive prosecutors are known in the profession as head-hunters, =
wanting=20
    to have the head of some celebrity, like Martha=92s, mounted over =
their=20
    fireplace, or in some place they can crow about. Like it or not, we =
have to=20
    protect ourselves from over-zealous governments. And this is not a =
disease=20
    of our government, or of our age, but of all governments everywhere. =
As=20
    Thomas Paine stated at the founding of America, "Government is a =
necessary=20
    evil, at best; at worst, an intolerable one." If Martha Stewart =
didn=92t know=20
    that, she does now.<BR><BR></FONT><X-SIGSEP>
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