Fwd: Blatant Disrespect for my favorite Democrats, Sharpton and Kucinch
Frances Morey
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Sun Feb 29 23:30:22 2004
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I feel about Kucinich the way a cattle raiser feels about the Atkin's diet--Dennis is saying exactly the things I'd want to hear from a presidential candidate. He really is the best alternative to Bush--too bad about the looksism factor.
FM
David Rubinson <rubinson@kab.com> wrote:
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:00:28 -0500
To: (Recipient list suppressed)
From: David Rubinson
Subject: Blatant Disrespect
This is the transcript of the TV Debate from last night.
I have provided a few excerpts, but pls access
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/tnt.html?tntget=2004/02/29/politics/campaign/text-nydebate.html&tntemail0
for the complete transcript.
This clearly reveals the profound level of disrespect and exclusionary journalism being practiced in the USA.
As Al Sharpton was forced to finally say to the NY Times person:
"...If we're going to have a discussion just between two -- in your arrogance, you can try that, but that's one of the reasons we're going to have delegates, so that you can't just limit the discussion. And I think that your attempt to do this is blatant, and I'm going to call you out on it, because I'm not going to sit here and be window dressing..."
As usual, Sharpton and Kucinich were cut off, ignored, disrespected, and trivialized.
Dan Rather even basically said: you two haven't gotten enough votes, so who cares what you have to say ?
It is abundantly clear that the only true choice is presented by Kucinich, and Sharpton is the smartest and most articulate person on stage, time after time.
KUCINICH: "... let me say why neither Senator Kerry nor my good friend, Senator Edwards, would be appropriate as nominees: Because they supported the president on the war, said there were weapons of mass destruction, which you actually embroidered, Senator Kerry. And you know what? Think of the 2004 debate, standing next to President Bush where he says, Oh, look, I said there were weapons. Senator, you said there were weapons. I was for the war; you supported the war. I was for the occupation; you supported the occupation. And Senator, thank you, you want to send more troops to the armed services...
You know what? I'm in the best position to challenge this president, because the war should be the singular issue. They lied to get the American people to accept the war. We have 130,000 troops there who are still at risk. We've spent over $200 billion of money that's needed for our domestic agenda. Over 10,000 Iraqis have lost their lives. I mean, this war ought to be the single issue.
SHARPTON: "... NAFTA and the WTO were wrong from its beginning. You cannot change it; you must rescind it. It has cost thousands upon thousands of jobs. We talk about it being a patriotic thing to protect American businesses, but we call it protectionism to protect American workers. I think there are a lot of differences among us. I think clearly Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards voted for the war. They support trade agreements. They supported what I think is the most anti-civil rights act of our time, the Patriot Act. But I also think that that's why we have a convention, that's why we have delegates, that's why we'll come to a consensus and have a candidate to beat Bush. But as long as we try to stifle the discussion, it feeds into the Ralph Naders of the world that say the only way to deal with this is to leave the party..."
I know- we must defeat Bush.
But what good does that do if we get more of the same ?
If we get change in party, but no difference in vision ?
And , if you have a minute, please write to the NY Times and tell them to stuff the unbearable Elizabeth Bumiller somewhere where she will remain inaudible and UNOBTRUSIVE for life.
Thanks.
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February 29, 2004
Democratic Presidential Candidates Debate in New YorkThe following is the text of the debate Sponsored By CBS News and The New York Times as transcribed by FDCH e-Media, Inc.
SPEAKERS:
DAN RATHER, CBS NEWS
ELISABETH BUMILLER, THE NEW YORK TIMES
ANDREW KIRTZMAN, WCBS-TV CHANNEL 2
SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS
SENATOR JOHN KERRY
REPRESENTATIVE DENNIS KUCINICH
THE REV. AL SHARPTON
David Rubinson
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<DIV>I feel about Kucinich the way a cattle raiser feels about the Atkin's diet--Dennis is saying exactly the things I'd want to hear from a presidential candidate. He really is the best alternative to Bush--too bad about the looksism factor.</DIV>
<DIV>FM<BR><BR><B><I>David Rubinson <rubinson@kab.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:00:28 -0500<BR>To: (Recipient list suppressed)<BR>From: David Rubinson <RUBINSON@KAB.COM><BR>Subject: Blatant Disrespect<BR><BR><FONT size=3>This is the transcript of the TV Debate from last night.<BR>I have provided a few excerpts, but pls access <BR><A href="http://query.nytimes.com/mem/tnt.html?tntget=2004/02/29/politics/campaign/text-nydebate.html&tntemail0" eudora="autourl">http://query.nytimes.com/mem/tnt.html?tntget=2004/02/29/politics/campaign/text-nydebate.html&tntemail0<BR></A>for the complete transcript.<BR>This clearly reveals the profound level of disrespect and exclusionary journalism being practiced in the USA.<BR>As Al Sharpton was forced to finally say to the NY Times person:<BR><BR><B>"...If we're going to have a discussion just between two -- in your arrogance, you can try that, but that's one of the reasons we're going to
have delegates, so that you can't just limit the discussion. And I think that your attempt to do this is blatant, and I'm going to call you out on it, because I'm not going to sit here and be window dressing..."<BR><BR></B>As usual, Sharpton and Kucinich were cut off, ignored, disrespected, and trivialized.<BR>Dan Rather even basically said: you two haven't gotten enough votes, so who cares what you have to say ?<BR><BR>It is abundantly clear that the only true choice is presented by Kucinich, and Sharpton is the smartest and most articulate person on stage, time after time.<BR><BR>KUCINICH: "... <B>let me say why neither Senator Kerry nor my good friend, Senator Edwards, would be appropriate as nominees: Because they supported the president on the war, said there were weapons of mass destruction, which you actually embroidered, Senator Kerry. And you know what? Think of the 2004 debate, standing next to President Bush where he says, Oh, look, I said there were weapons.
Senator, you said there were weapons. I was for the war; you supported the war. I was for the occupation; you supported the occupation. And Senator, thank you, you want to send more troops to the armed services...<BR>You know what? I'm in the best position to challenge this president, because the war should be the singular issue. They lied to get the American people to accept the war. We have 130,000 troops there who are still at risk. We've spent over $200 billion of money that's needed for our domestic agenda. Over 10,000 Iraqis have lost their lives. I mean, this war ought to be the single issue.<BR><BR>SHARPTON: "... NAFTA and the WTO were wrong from its beginning. You cannot change it; you must rescind it. It has cost thousands upon thousands of jobs. We talk about it being a patriotic thing to protect American businesses, but we call it protectionism to protect American workers. I think there are a lot of differences among us. I think clearly Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards voted
for the war. They support trade agreements. They supported what I think is the most anti-civil rights act of our time, the Patriot Act. But I also think that that's why we have a convention, that's why we have delegates, that's why we'll come to a consensus and have a candidate to beat Bush. But as long as we try to stifle the discussion, it feeds into the Ralph Naders of the world that say the only way to deal with this is to leave the party..."<BR><BR></B>I know- we must defeat Bush.<BR>But what good does that do if we get more of the same ?<BR>If we get change in party, but no difference in vision ?<BR>And , if you have a minute, please write to the NY Times and tell them to stuff the unbearable Elizabeth Bumiller somewhere where she will remain inaudible and UNOBTRUSIVE for life.<BR>Thanks.<BR>
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<H2><B>Democratic Presidential Candidates Debate in New York</B></H2><FONT size=3><I>The following is the text of the debate Sponsored By CBS News and The New York Times as transcribed by FDCH e-Media, Inc.</I> <BR><BR>SPEAKERS:<BR> DAN RATHER, CBS NEWS<BR> ELISABETH BUMILLER, THE NEW YORK TIMES <BR> ANDREW KIRTZMAN, WCBS-TV CHANNEL 2 <BR> SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS<BR> SENATOR JOHN KERRY<BR> REPRESENTATIVE DENNIS KUCINICH<BR> THE REV. AL SHARPTON<BR><BR><X-SIGSEP>
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