Ask any vegetable ... Kundalini Brocolli

[Jim Strong]

--- Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Sounds like a lot of this stuff is based on wishful
> thinking and laziness. 
> The best way to ward off the problems of old age
> (well, it works for my wife 
> and me) is lots of exercise, yoga, plenty of sex,
> laughter, projects in 
> writing, teaching, and lifelong learning, and a
> balanced diet with plenty of 
> fish and brocolli.This takes a lot more effort than
> taking a bunch of shots 
> and pills, but without making an effort, we'll die.
> The choice is up to us."
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   So Jon, is the sex *better* with the brocolli?
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Jim
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> >From: Michael Eisenstadt <michaele@ando.pair.com>
> >To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >Subject: recent NYTimes article on anti-aging
> therapy
> >Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:25:10 -0600
> >
> >This article is SO informative and SO need-to-read
> that I copied
> >it into this email rather than just putting in a
> link to the Times.
> >
> >One of our subscribers is/was undergoing this
> therapy. His comments
> >on this will be appreciated.
> >
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> >Chasing Youth, Many Gamble on Hormones
> >By GINA KOLATA
> >
> >Dr. Ron Livesey was fat, tired and out of shape. At
> 49, he felt that his
> >best years were behind him.
> >
> >So one day seven years ago, on his way to a medical
> meeting, he stopped
> >at a doctor's office in Palm Springs, Calif., for
> his first hormone
> >injections.
> >
> >Early the next morning, Dr. Livesey was at the
> meeting, sitting in a
> >darkened auditorium watching slides of technical
> data. To his surprise,
> >he found himself alert, taking everything in. He
> continued the hormone
> >treatments.
> >
> >"People started commenting that I had so much more
> bounce and energy,"
> >he said. He lost 50 pounds — thanks, he said, to
> diet changes and
> >exercise made possible by the increased vigor.
> >
> >So Dr. Livesey, then an internist in New Hampshire,
> decided to go into
> >business for himself. With a colleague, Dr. Joseph
> Raffaele, who went on
> >a similar regimen, he founded Anti-Aging Medicine
> Associates, a clinic
> >in Manhattan. They are part of a growing movement
> among doctors to offer
> >a hormone replacement therapy that claims to
> restore the bodies and
> >energy of youth.
> >
> >Until recently, most scientists considered
> anti-aging treatments to be
> >little more than snake oil, provided by hucksters.
> Now, few doubt that
> >growth hormone and testosterone can reshape aging
> bodies, potentially
> >making them more youthful.
> >
> >But whether they counteract aging is unknown. And
> their long-term risks
> >are ill defined. So medical experts ask whether it
> is right to regard
> >aging as a disease, as fierce as a malignant
> cancer, to be fought with
> >any and all means, tested or not.
> >
> >"How much are you willing to pay for a treatment
> that is not proven?"
> >asked Dr. Huber Warner, an associate director at
> the National Institute
> >on Aging. "How much risk are you willing to take?"
> >
> >But Dr. Ronald Klatz of Chicago, the founder and
> director of the
> >American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, says
> patients cannot wait for
> >long-term studies, which are not even in planning
> stages and would take
> >years or decades to complete. "We'd have to wait,"
> he said, "until the
> >baby boomers are dead and in the ground and worms'
> meat."
> >
> >Clearly, many are not waiting. The academy, which
> began with 12 doctors
> >in 1993, now has 8,000 physician members in the
> United States, Dr. Klatz
> >said.
> >
> >The treatment is expensive: $1,000 a month for the
> panoply of drugs and
> >dietary supplements, including human growth hormone
> and testosterone for
> >men and women, estrogen and progesterone for women
> (the doctors say
> >their "bioidentical" hormones are safe), melatonin,
> DHEA, vitamins and
> >antioxidants.
> >
> >The unlikely hero of today's anti-aging movement
> was Dr. Daniel Rudman,
> >an academic researcher at the Medical College of
> Wisconsin who asked if
> >he could reverse the effects of aging by giving
> growth hormone to
> >elderly men.
> >
> >Aging people, he noted, lose muscle and put on fat,
> their skin thins and
> >their bones weaken. At the same time, growth
> hormone levels steadily
> >decline. He observed that the effects of aging also
> appeared in young
> >people who lacked growth hormone for medical
> reasons.
> >
> >So he gave growth hormone to 12 elderly men for six
> months, reporting
> >that they gained muscle and lost fat. Nine men who
> served as controls
> >had no such body changes. In his paper, published
> on July 5, 1990, in
> >The New England Journal of Medicine, Dr. Rudman
> concluded with this
> >sentence: "The effects of six months of growth
> hormone on lean body mass
> >and adipose-tissue mass were equivalent in
> magnitude to the changes
> >incurred during 10 to 20 years of aging."
> >
> >Dr. Klatz, of the Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine,
> called the paper "a
> >thunderclap in the medical profession."
> >
> >"It was the first clinical paper in a mainstream
> U.S. medical journal to
> >show that there were available interventions that
> could have a dramatic
> >effect on the physiology of aging," he said.
> >
> >Human growth hormone has been approved by the Food
> and Drug
> >Administration for use by people with medical
> deficiencies, and once a
> >drug is on the market, doctors can legally
> prescribe it for any reason.
> >
> >
> >
> >"I was thrilled by the concept," said Dr. Maxine
> Papadakis of the
> >University of California in San Francisco. But Dr.
> Papadakis said she
> >worried about the sweeping conclusion about
> reversing aging. It was a
> >small study, she said, and the men who took part
> knew who was taking
> >growth hormone and who was not.
> >
> >Dr. Papadakis set out to test growth hormone in 52
> healthy men from 70
> >to 85. She designed the study so that the men did
> not know if they were
> >taking the drug or a dummy medication.
> >
> >Reporting in 1996, she found that growth hormone
> slightly increased
> >muscle mass and decreased body fat but,
> paradoxically, did not make the
> >men stronger. People had claimed it improved their
> mental clarity, but
> >she found no such effects; if anything, those
> taking growth hormone did
> >slightly worse on memory tests. They also suffered
> swollen legs and feet
> 
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