Manson-Osama connection?
Jim Strong
strongjim@yahoo.com
Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:42:02 -0800 (PST)
Surely Fordster, you have not forgotten that our
esteemed UT English instructor Roger Shattuck held the
North American Chair of Pornosophy in the College du
Pataphysique? Perhaps you were too Paisano-crazed to
remember his ramblings at the parties about that
tremendous responsibility that had been "thrust" upon
him?
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The "weird" web page you cite references some of the
same material (including some background on the famous
Jean-Paul Poulhan quote) that is found in the infamous
Evergreen Review edition on Pataphysics that came out
in the early 60's. I think it may even have had a
piece by Shattuck in it???
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I "thank" Bubba's point is - in and of itself - a
Pataphysical one, and appropriately wicked. In fact, I
have come to the conclusion that Bubba is a rare jewel
- although not one who occupies the central part of
the Lotus sitting directly beside Lord Buddha - (and a
Certified Hoot as well). To quote Neil Young's song
(modified for gender) "Long May He Run."
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I think ole J.P. Sartre handled the existence thing
purt well in "L'etrat et le Neant," non?
cf: http://www.multimania.com/nrub/existenceautrui.htm
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Now that there page is in Frenchie - not Portagee,
Fordster.
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Finally, to be a true "Experte in Matiere de
Pataphysique," Jon, you must have owned and driven a
Renault 4-CV for at least 18 months and have replaced
the trans-axel at least twice during that time.
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As fer the vet'rans, I fall back upon my ability to
quote Red Sovine lyrics at length for protection, and
I hope you are not including the pretentious Persian
hordes of Saddam H in the descriptor "Arab." As one of
my close friends Skip the LRRP from the Nam would say,
"it's all a bunch of shit." I don't know many people
who have been through it though, who would care to
describe themselves as any kind of "killer
extraoridinare."
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War itself is the ultimate absurdist experience. It
doesn't really prove, justify or sanctify anything -
it just tends to rearrange boundaries and hegemonies,
and to remove real or perceived "threats" (from the
"victor's" perspective). The characterizations of a
war being just or necessary or honorable are the
icings we put on that cake based upon our own beliefs.
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Yours humbly
Billy Jim [aka Ubu Roi Don Goethe-Grosse]
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--- Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I come home from my exclusive seminar on "Say Know
> to Drugs" at which I
> learned about a famous Hollywood director known to
> sit naked before a
> full-length mirror feeding his anus cocaine with a
> tiny spoon, and what do I
> find? Even more madness. Buba seems to be making
> some existenial pun on
> "exit" (as in "No Exit"?) and "exist" (as in being
> and non-being?)Or maybe
> he just can't spell. Both Manson and Osama have
> "exited" but so far as I
> know they both presently exist-- Manson in jail,
> Osama most likely in
> Pakistan.Even if they are both dead. they will
> continue to exist in our
> hearts( or elsewhere in our anatomies, like
> veritable burrs in the saddle).
> What does it mean to exist, anyway?
> On the other hand, Billy Jim-Bob sends us a weird
> web-page in Portuguese, a
> language which makes no sense to me at all-- why
> don't they just speak
> Spanish? Actually, the page looked kind of
> interesting, but translation,
> please! And while you're at it, Billy Jim, I'm an
> expert in Pataphysics, but
> I'll wager many on the list are unfamiliar with it.
> One leading
> 'pataphysician, Boris Vian, was known to remark that
> he felt all veterans
> should be shot, because they return from the wars
> and persist in talking
> about the nobility of it all-- sentiments I hardily
> snicker at, but dare
> not agree with too openly, for there are too many
> veterans on this list,
> including the Arab-killer extraordinaire, der
> Mike-meister!
>
> And let's hear more from Forrest Gunther, a true
> Pataphysician if there ever
> were one, even if he does not exist at all!
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> >From: "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh2@brgnet.com>
> >To: "Jim Strong" <strongjim@yahoo.com>, "Jon Ford"
> ><jonmfordster@hotmail.com>,
> <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> >Subject: RE: Manson-Osama connection?
> >Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:10:11 -0500
> >
> >Bubba calls 'em as he understands 'em. In other
> worlds they gotta have
> >demonstrative and verifiable existences. In the
> words of Waldenheim Wiest
> >von Goethe, late of Taylor..."belief ain't the same
> as knowledge."
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
> >[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]On
> Behalf Of Jim Strong
> >Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:42 PM
> >To: Wayne Johnson; Jon Ford;
> austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >Subject: RE: Manson-Osama connection?
> >
> >Or, as the esteemed Pataphysician said,
> >"Jean-Paul Poulhan ne existe pas"
> >cf: http://www.artesonline.al.org.br/4/arte2.htm
> >-------------------------------------------------
> >vous êtes si cruel, Bubba. Non?
> >--------------------------------
> >Billy Jim
> >----------
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Wayne Johnson <cadaobh2@brgnet.com> wrote:
> > > Well, considering that neither exits, it's
> laughs
> > > all around.
> > >
> > > B.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
> > > [mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]On
> > > Behalf Of Jon Ford
> > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:38 PM
> > > To: strongjim@yahoo.com;
> > > austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > Subject: Manson-Osama connection?
> > >
> > > Billy Jim-- Tex Watson's account of his first
> > > meeting with Manson was indeed
> > > disturbing and fascinating. Apparently Bin Laden
> has
> > > the same kind of
> > > hypnotic gaze and instant-conversion ability as
> > > Manson did. They are both
> > > nomadic media-manipulators and good at getting
> > > others to do their killing
> > > for them. Both have a lot of "wives." A big
> > > difference is in their
> > > relationship with Satan: whereas Manson was
> willing
> > > to wear the mantle of
> > > the evil one, Osama considers himself on the
> side of
> > > Allah, and sees the USA
> > > as the Great Satan, while George Bush views
> Osama as
> > > the evil one.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Jim Strong <strongjim@yahoo.com>
> > > >To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > >Subject: No Name Maddox (aka Charlie Manson)
> > > >Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:20:37 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >For the "No Name Maddox" afficianados, I offer
> -
> > >
> >------------------------------------------------
> > > >The following Charlie Manson web sites are
> online.
> > > I
> > > >especially recommend the Manson handwriting
> > > exemplar
> > > >and the Charles "Tex" Watson Abounding Love
> > > ministries
> > > >pages - where he describes how he first met
> Charlie
> > > at
> > > >Brian Wilson's house, and how Charlie asked Tex
> > > "Will
> > > >you die for me?".
> > >
> >------------------------------------------------
> > > >Charlie's Scrawl:
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.handwriting.org/images/samples/cmanson.htm
> > >
> >-------------------------------------------------
> > > >Hitchinking Can Be Dangerous:
> > > >http://www.aboundinglove.org/himm.htm
> > >
> >-------------------------------------------------
> > > >Get the Point, Tex?:
> > > >http://www.aboundinglove.org/wydfm1.htm
> > >
> >-------------------------------------------------
> > > >Another Chance Encounter & Bikers:
> > > >http://www.mfinley.com/articles/manson.htm
> > >
> >-------------------------------------------------
> > > >The Charlie Fun Page:
> > > >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/dementio/
> > >
> >-------------------------------------------------
> > > >Sounds of Charlie [Da Master's Voice]:
> > >
> >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Arena/5928/
> > >
> >-------------------------------------------------
> > > >Charlie Don't Surf:
> > > >http://www.revolting.com/1.2/charlie/
> > >
> >-------------------------------------------------
> > > >A Doting Skinhead's Tribute:
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/elfin/1025/charles.htm
> > >
> >--------------------------------------------------
> > > >Charlie & Shiva:
> > > >http://members.aol.com/KarolMay/manson.html
> > >
> >--------------------------------------------------
> > > >Manson Quotes:
> > >
> >
>
>http://members.tripod.com/~Westbrook/SK/Charles_Manson.html
> > >
> >---------------------------------------------------
> > > >The OTO Lodge Chips In:
> > > >http://home.sunrise.ch/prkoenig/manson.htm
> > >
> >---------------------------------------------------
> > > >An Early Mug Shot:
> > >
>
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