No just wars?

[Roger Baker]

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On Sunday, October 28, 2001, at 11:08 AM, Michael Eisenstadt wrote:

> Roger Baker wrote:
>
>> No wars are "just" wars -- unless they maybe have the rulers who make
>> the policies that lead to war fight it out out in person, or something
>> like that. Otherwise wars tend to affect innocents and children
>> disproportionately, as all modern wars do.
>
> Your "maybe..." remark is facetious and not serious, as modern
> military action is incompatible with one on one jousting
> like in the Middle Ages. I think your self-proclaimed
> humanitarianism is totally bogus and in bad faith.
>

I've confessed to being human so frequently that this confession
has probably already lost its impact. As Tennessee Williams
reputedly said, "We're all down in the gutter, but some of us look
up at the stars".


> We will just have to agree to disagree. My starting point is
> that there are just wars -- 2 examples (for the non-Rogers)
> would be WW II and the recent Kosovo intervention. There are
> many others.
>
> Your view that we should NOT have reacted to 9-11 is thankfully
> confined to the ranks of those like yourself whose main focus of
> life it is to protest, being otherwise disassociated and
> alienated from normal pursuits.
>
> This is NOT to say that the operation in Afghanistan will ever
> succeed. It could perhaps have been conduced in a more cunning
> way rather than immediately into action. Your observation that
> this is an unwinnable war may well be correct. (If it were winnable
> it wouldnt make any difference to you anyway). On the other hand
> we are merely 3 weeks into it and lots of unanticipated events
> will doubtless be reported on the nightly news. I still hope for
> the best: lots of Al Quaida dead or captured.
>
> It seems best to let our discussion cease.

Hey!  I'm good for another couple of rounds if you change your mind.

-- Roger

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On Sunday, October 28, 2001, at 11:08 AM, Michael Eisenstadt wrote:


<excerpt>Roger Baker wrote:


<excerpt>No wars are "just" wars -- unless they maybe have the rulers
who make

the policies that lead to war fight it out out in person, or something

like that. Otherwise wars tend to affect innocents and children

disproportionately, as all modern wars do.

</excerpt>

Your "maybe..." remark is facetious and not serious, as modern 

military action is incompatible with one on one jousting

like in the Middle Ages. I think your self-proclaimed 

humanitarianism is totally bogus and in bad faith. 


</excerpt>

I've confessed to being human so frequently that this confession 

has probably already lost its impact. As Tennessee Williams 

reputedly said, "We're all down in the gutter, but some of us look 

up at the stars".



<excerpt>We will just have to agree to disagree. My starting point is 

that there are just wars -- 2 examples (for the non-Rogers) 

would be WW II and the recent Kosovo intervention. There are 

many others.


Your view that we should NOT have reacted to 9-11 is thankfully 

confined to the ranks of those like yourself whose main focus of 

life it is to protest, being otherwise disassociated and 

alienated from normal pursuits.


This is NOT to say that the operation in Afghanistan will ever 

succeed. It could perhaps have been conduced in a more cunning

way rather than immediately into action. Your observation that 

this is an unwinnable war may well be correct. (If it were winnable 

it wouldnt make any difference to you anyway). On the other hand 

we are merely 3 weeks into it and lots of unanticipated events 

will doubtless be reported on the nightly news. I still hope for 

the best: lots of Al Quaida dead or captured.


It seems best to let our discussion cease.

</excerpt>

</color>Hey!  <color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>I'm good for another
couple of rounds if you change your mind. 


-- Roger</color>
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