[Austin-ghetto-list] Re: Bush War needs Arab approval

[Wayne Johnson]

Uh, some how the idea of a lot of low IQ sociopaths running amok with some
70T M1A2 tanks is not my idea of a good time.

B.

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From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]On Behalf Of Frances Morey
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:31 PM
To: telebob x; austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Subject: [Austin-ghetto-list] Re: Bush War needs Arab approval


tele,
That was a brilliant analysis, and a perfect solution: civilize the
bastards. Unfortunately it is a terrible challenge to re-educate the
individual for sanity. Timothy McVeigh didn't suffer a third world
upbringing. His profound disappointment at being rejected from the special
forces propelled him to get even with the federal government and blow up the
federal building. Since when did we allow the military to become
"selective." I am for bringing back the draft and letting those who would
otherwise be in prison play soldier to their hearts content.
Frances
On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 05:13:15 +0000, telebob x wrote:

>  Roger's perceptions are all very well for leading us into group suicide,
but
>  check this one out.....Skunk Baxter?  SKUNK BAXTER FROM STEELY DAN?  Yes,

>  one and the same...Skunk is now a military analyst and he has some
>  suggestions on how to deal with the ongoing crisis....
>  BTW...calling it Bush War is
>
>  (forwarded from the Jive95 list)
>
>
>  excerpted from --- Unlikely Doves: Counter-terrorism Experts
>  David Corn, AlterNet
>  September 28, 2001
>
>  The need to think beyond military solutions was also raised at a
>  bizarre talk given by Jeff "Skunk" Baxter before a group of military
>  policymeisters, defense contractors, and Defense Department employees
>  a few days after the attack. Weeks before September 11, the Potomac
>  Institute for Policy Studies, a Pentagon-friendly think tank, had
>  asked Baxter, who was a lead guitarist for the Doobie Brothers and
>  Steely Dan and a music-technology wiz before fashioning himself into
>  a military-technology expert, to present the case for a national
>  missile defense. After the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks,
>  Baxter -- with his droopy mustache and old-guy pony tail -- was still
>  happy to do so. He argued that in the post-9/11 world, missile
>  defense remains "imperative" because China still could intimidate the
>  United States by threatening to launch one or more of its two dozen
>  or so nuclear missiles. Beijing, he claimed, would not be deterred by
>  a U.S. counterstrike: "If we launch a nuclear attack against China --
>  all we do is solve their housing crisis." He maintained that Chinese
>  leaders do not think about "protecting the public." So imagine, he
>  commanded his audience, if in the midst of another September 11-like
>  event, China moved against Taiwan and told Washington, back off or
>  we'll take out Los Angeles. How could the president appear on
>  television and say, I am going to prosecute a war in Taiwan, and
>  America must prepare for further casualties?
>
>  Here was an undiluted Star Wars fanatic. What was interesting,
>  however, was that even a hawk like Baxter, who is a consultant to the
>  Pentagon, saw the limits of a counterterrorism policy that depends
>  upon military action. The problem, as he put it, is the United States
>  faces an adversary driven by powerful forces: "You live in a
>  dirt-poor place, but if you blow yourself up in the name of Allah,
>  you'll get 73 virgins, all the dope you can smoke, a backstage passes
>  to Bruce Springsteen ... How do we nullify and negate that threat?"
>  Simple, he said: "The way to keep a kamikaze pilot out of aircraft
>  ... is to deal with it at the source" -- that is, the motivation.
>
>  The goal of U.S. policy, he said, should be to "re-engineer the
>  perceptions of our enemies." Suicide bombers have to be convinced
>  "they get nothing for dying for Allah," and the people who support
>  terrorists -- leaders or commoners -- have to be persuaded such
>  violence is an insult to Islam and counterproductive. So Baxter
>  proposed a Manhattan Project of "perception engineering," which would
>  explore and develop a variety of means: psychological warfare,
>  propaganda campaigns designed by advertising executives ("these guys
>  were selling Chevrolets when they were crap with the 'heartbeat of
>  America'"); nanomachines that can invade the circulatory system and
>  effect the brain and thought patterns of the target; cultural
>  products that can engender warm feelings toward the United States.
>  "This World War III is a different war," Baxter commented. "It's an
>  information war ... a war fought with ideas ... I can give you a
>  valium and make you feel good. I can give you a musical score and
>  engineer your perceptions ... All this is doable."
>
>  The audience's positive response was intriguing. Most listeners
>  appeared to accept his premise that motivation and causation had to
>  be addressed. Baxter, of course, skipped past the possibility that
>  persons who harbor ill-will toward the United States might possess
>  legitimate grievances about, say, economic conditions, the repressive
>  conduct of governments backed by Washington, or the pervasive
>  influence of American culture. His answer was not to solve problems,
>  but to manipulate the responses to problems. Nevertheless, his kooky
>  proposal focused on ideas, not missiles.
>
>
>
>  >From: Roger Baker <rcbaker@infohiwy.net>
>  >Reply-To: rcbaker@eden.infohwy.com
>  >To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
>  >Subject: [Austin-ghetto-list] Bush War needs Arab approval
>  >Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 03:07:33 -0500
>  >
>  >When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor things were simple; we just went
to
>  >war and bombed them right back twice as hard with weapons of mass
>  >destruction. Whatever.
>  >
>  >But Bush's new infinite crusade against terrorism, fought wherever it
lurks
>  >and as long as it takes, is a bit trickier than he made it seem at
first:
>  >
>  >"...The central strategic conundrum is this: the more the United States
>  >presses moderate, often autocratic leaders in the Middle East to help in

>  >its
>  >campaign, the more it jeopardizes them. If they go too far, they risk,
at
>  >best, being labeled American stooges, and at worst, losing power to
Islamic
>  >militants in their own societies..."
>  >
>  >
>  >It seems that we forgot that we might need Arab permission to go to war
or
>  >else the war itself could destabilize the Arab host countries, kind of
like
>  >the evil Mr. bin Laden was warning us. So this will necessarily have to
be
>  >a kinder and gentler war calculated not to create too many inflamatory
>  >headlines in Egyptian newspapers, etc.
>  >
>  >
>
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