[Austin-ghetto-list] Re: Position of women in Afghanistan

[Bill Irwin]

 This line of thinking is getting close to stereotypical thinking and over
 generalization when it is applied to all Muslims.  For example - the
 president of Indonesia is a woman, a former president of Pakistan was a
 woman.  How many US presidents were women?
 Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>
To: <frances_morey@excite.com>; <michaele@ando.pair.com>;
<austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:56 PM
Subject: [Austin-ghetto-list] Re: Position of women in Afghanistan


> (woops--my computer took over and sent this too soon!
> The  oppression of Afghani women is horrific, and they can be killed for
the
> slightest infraction of the code of modesty and obedience. I know many
> Afghani women, and have hired several to work with me in my labs. They all
> put female oppresion high on their list for not wanting to return to
> Afghanistan. NONE wear veils or big tent-like black garments. In
traditional
> Muslim societies, women can be forceful figures. My Afghani assistant last
> semester recruited her husband and son to help clean out the lab,
redecorate
> the walls, and haul out old computer manuals. The guys were obedient and
> humble under the direction of Mom!
>
> Jon
>
> >From: Frances Morey <frances_morey@excite.com>
> >Reply-To: <frances_morey@excite.com>
> >To: Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>, michaele@ando.pair.com,
> >austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >Subject: Re: [Austin-ghetto-list] Somber Reading
> >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I certainly agree with this. Yet in Afganistan the ONLY industry is war
and
> >conflict. The terrorism, if it works the way they wanted, is to provoke
us
> >into war, a patriotic act from their point of view. The madness of the
> >Taliban leaders, intrestingly no individual has come to the fore to be
> >considered the head of it, is in their unwillingness to allow women to
show
> >themselves, much less influence their socitey. Women must be silenced!
> >Women
> >must hide their humanity! Women must starve if they cannot find some man
to
> >support and feed them--they must not allowed to work! These things are
far
> >more insane and are indemic to the problem of their male-war-madness.
> >Frances
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:32:08 -0700, Jon Ford wrote:
> >
> > >  Normal, sane reasoning would be on Mike's side here--but life is
> >neither
> > >  normal nor sane in the Middle East. Take an angry Arab, Afghani,
> > >  Palestinian,or Pakestani kid, maybe living in a relocation camp, very
> >pious
> > >  Muslim, with zero chances of ever making it to America (no rich
cousin
> >in
> >
> > >  California) or even affording cologne or a nice tight suit and good
> >shoes,
> > >  and offer him several years of education in Germany and flight school
> >in
> > >  Florida, nice expense account, etc., in return for dying for Allah at
a
> > >  certain point, and I believe there would be quite a few takers!
What's
> >the
> > >  alternative? 20 years  of unemployment in a relocation camp? Picking
> >through
> > >  garbage?
> > >
> > >  JOn
> > >