King of evildoers says he got the nuke

[Roger Baker]

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But he won't use them unless we use them first. And all his wives are
Arab, and he doesn't have kidney disease.

I'm still searching for the coded messages in this interview. -- Roger

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10 November 2001 	Saturday 	23 Shaban 1422

Osama claims he has nukes: If US uses N-arms it will get same response
By Hamid Mir


KABUL, Nov 9: Osama bin Laden has said that "we have chemical and 
nuclear weapons as a deterrent and if America used them against us we 
reserve the right to use them".

He said this in a special interview with Hamid Mir, the editor of Ausaf, 
for Dawn and Ausaf, at an undisclosed location near Kabul.

This was the first interview given by Osama to any journalist after the 
September 11 attacks in New York and Washington.

The correspondent was taken blindfolded in a jeep from Kabul on the 
night of Nov 7 to a place where it was extremely cold and one could hear 
the sound of anti-aircraft guns firing away. After a wait of some time , 
Osama arrived with about a dozen bodyguards and Dr Ayman Al-Zuwahiri and 
answered questions.
Hamid Mir: After American bombing on Afghanistan on Oct 7, you told the 
Al-Jazeera TV that the Sept 11 attacks had been carried out by some 
Muslims. How did you know they were Muslims ?

Osama bin Laden: The Americans themselves released a list of the 
suspects of the Sept 11 attacks, saying that the persons named were 
involved in the attacks. They were all Muslims, of whom 15 belonged to 
Saudi Arabia, two were from the UAE and one from Egypt. According to the 
information I have, they were all passengers.Fateha was held for them in 
their homes. But America said they were hijackers.
HM: In your statement of Oct 7, you expressed satisfaction over the Sept 
11 attacks, although a large number of innocent people perished in them, 
hundreds among them were Muslims. Can you justify the killing of 
innocent men in the light of Islamic teachings ?

OBL: This is a major point in jurisprudence. In my view, if an enemy 
occupies a Muslim territory and uses common people as human shield, then 
it is permitted to attack that enemy. For instance, if bandits barge 
into a home and hold a child hostage, then the child's father can attack 
the bandits and in that attack even the child may get hurt.

America and its allies are massacring us in Palestine, Chechenya, 
Kashmir and Iraq. The Muslims have the right to attack America in 
reprisal. The Islamic Shariat says Muslims should not live in the land 
of the infidel for long. The Sept 11 attacks were not targeted at women 
and children. The real targets were America's icons of military and 
economic power.

The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) was against killing women and 
children. When he saw a dead woman during a war, he asked why was she 
killed ? If a child is above 13 and wields a weapon against Muslims, 
then it is permitted to kill him.
The American people should remember that they pay taxes to their 
government, they elect their president, their government manufactures 
arms and gives them to Israel and Israel uses them to massacre 
Palestinians. The American Congress endorses all government measures and 
this proves that the entire America is responsible for the atrocities 
perpetrated against Muslims. The entire America, because they elect the 
Congress.

I ask the American people to force their government to give up 
anti-Muslim policies. The American people had risen against their 
government's war in Vietnam. They must do the same today. The American 
people should stop the massacre of Muslims by their government.

HM: Can it be said that you are against the American government, not the 
American people ?

OSB: Yes! We are carrying on the mission of our Prophet, Muhammad (peace 
be upon him). The mission is to spread the word of God, not to indulge 
massacring people. We ourselves are the target of killings, destruction 
and atrocities. We are only defending ourselves. This is defensive 
Jihad. We want to defend our people and our land. That is why I say that 
if we don't get security, the Americans, too would not get security.

This is a simple formula that even an American child can understand. 
This is the formula of live and let live.

HM: The head of Egypt's Jamia Al-Azhar has issued a fatwa (edict) 
against you, saying that the views and beliefs of Osama bin Laden have 
nothing to do with Islam. What do you have to say about that ?

OSB: The fatwa of any official Aalim has no value for me. History is 
full of such Ulema who justify Riba, who justify the occupation of 
Palestine by the Jews, who justify the presence of American troops 
around Harmain Sharifain. These people support the infidels for their 
personal gain.The true Ulema support the Jihad against America. Tell me 
if Indian forces invaded Pakistan what would you do? The Israeli forces 
occupy our land and the American troops are on our territory. We have no 
other option but to launch Jihad.

HM: Some Western media claim that you are trying to acquire chemical and 
nuclear weapons. How much truth is there in such reports?

OSB: I heard the speech of American President Bush yesterday (Oct 7). He 
was scaring the European countries that Osama wanted to attack with 
weapons of mass destruction. I wish to declare that if America used 
chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with chemical 
and nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent.

HM: Where did you get these weapons from ?

OSB: Go to the next question.

HM: Demonstrations are being held in many European countries against 
American attacks on Afghanistan. Thousands of the protesters were 
non-Muslims. What is your opinion about those non-Muslim protesters ?

OSB: There are many innocent and good-hearted people in the West. 
American media instigates them against Muslims. However, some 
good-hearted people are protesting against American attacks because 
human nature abhors injustice.

The Muslims were massacred under the UN patronage in Bosnia. I am ware 
that some officers of the State Department had resigned in protest. Many 
years ago the US ambassador in Egypt had resigned in protest against the 
policies of President Jimmy Carter. Nice and civilized are everywhere. 
The Jewish lobby has taken America and the West hostage.

HM: Some people say that war is no solution to any issue. Do you think 
that some political formula could be found to stop the present war ?

OSB: You should put this question to those who have started this war. We 
are only defending ourselves.

HM: If America got out of Saudi Arabia and the Al-Aqsa mosque was 
liberated, would you then present yourself for trial in some Muslim 
country ?

OSB: Only Afghanistan is an Islamic country. Pakistan follows the 
English law. I don't consider Saudi Arabia an Islamic country. If the 
Americans have charges against me, we too have a charge sheet against 
them.

HM: Pakistan government decided to cooperate with America after Sept 11, 
which you don't consider right. What do you think Pakistan should have 
done but to cooperate with America ?

OSB: The government of Pakistan should have the wishes of the people in 
view. It should not have surrendered to the unjustified demands of 
America. America does not have solid proof against us. It just has some 
surmises. It is unjust to start bombing on the basis of those surmises.

HM: Had America decided to attack Pakistan with the help of India and 
Israel, what would have we done ?

OSB: What has America achieved by attacking Afghanistan ? We will not 
leave the Pakistani people and the Pakistani territory at anybody's mercy
.
We will defend Pakistan. But we have been disappointed by Gen Pervez 
Musharraf. He says that the majority is with him. I say the majority is 
against him.

Bush has used the word crusade. This is a crusade declared by Bush. It 
is no wisdom to barter off blood of Afghan brethren to improve 
Pakistan's economy. He will be punished by the Pakistani people and 
Allah.
Right now a great war of Islamic history is being fought in Afghanistan. 
All the big powers are united against Muslims. It is ' sawab ' to 
participate in this war.

HM: A French newspaper has claimed that you had kidney problem and had 
secretly gone to Dubai for treatment last year. Is that correct ?

OSB: My kidneys are all right. I did not go to Dubai last year. One 
British newspaper has published an imaginary interview with Islamabad 
dateline with one of my sons who lives in Saudi Arabia. All this is 
false.

HM: Is it correct that a daughter of Mulla Omar is your wife or your 
daughter is Mulla Omar's wife ?

OSB: (Laughs). All my wives are Arabs ( and all my daughters are married 
to Arab Mujahideen). I have spiritual relationship with Mulla Omar. He 
is a great and brave Muslim of this age. He does not fear anyone but 
Allah. He is not under any personal relationship or obligation to me. He 
is only discharging his religious duty. I, too, have not chosen this 
life out of any personal consideration.


	 	

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<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>But he won't use them unless we use
them first. And all his wives are 

Arab, and he doesn't have kidney disease.  


I'm still searching for the coded messages in this interview. -- Roger


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10 November 2001 	Saturday 	23 Shaban 1422 


Osama claims he has nukes: If US uses N-arms it will get same response 

By Hamid Mir 



KABUL, Nov 9: Osama bin Laden has said that "we have chemical and
nuclear weapons as a deterrent and if America used them against us we
reserve the right to use them".

 

He said this in a special interview with Hamid Mir, the editor of
Ausaf, for Dawn and Ausaf, at an undisclosed location near Kabul. 


This was the first interview given by Osama to any journalist after
the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington. 


The correspondent was taken blindfolded in a jeep from Kabul on the
night of Nov 7 to a place where it was extremely cold and one could
hear the sound of anti-aircraft guns firing away. After a wait of some
time , Osama arrived with about a dozen bodyguards and Dr Ayman
Al-Zuwahiri and answered questions. 

Hamid Mir: After American bombing on Afghanistan on Oct 7, you told
the Al-Jazeera TV that the Sept 11 attacks had been carried out by
some Muslims. How did you know they were Muslims ? 


Osama bin Laden: The Americans themselves released a list of the
suspects of the Sept 11 attacks, saying that the persons named were
involved in the attacks. They were all Muslims, of whom 15 belonged to
Saudi Arabia, two were from the UAE and one from Egypt. According to
the information I have, they were all passengers.Fateha was held for
them in their homes. But America said they were hijackers. 

HM: In your statement of Oct 7, you expressed satisfaction over the
Sept 11 attacks, although a large number of innocent people perished
in them, hundreds among them were Muslims. Can you justify the killing
of innocent men in the light of Islamic teachings ?

 

OBL: This is a major point in jurisprudence. In my view, if an enemy
occupies a Muslim territory and uses common people as human shield,
then it is permitted to attack that enemy. For instance, if bandits
barge into a home and hold a child hostage, then the child's father
can attack the bandits and in that attack even the child may get hurt. 


America and its allies are massacring us in Palestine, Chechenya,
Kashmir and Iraq. The Muslims have the right to attack America in
reprisal. The Islamic Shariat says Muslims should not live in the land
of the infidel for long. The Sept 11 attacks were not targeted at
women and children. The real targets were America's icons of military
and economic power. 


The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) was against killing women and
children. When he saw a dead woman during a war, he asked why was she
killed ? If a child is above 13 and wields a weapon against Muslims,
then it is permitted to kill him. 

The American people should remember that they pay taxes to their
government, they elect their president, their government manufactures
arms and gives them to Israel and Israel uses them to massacre
Palestinians. The American Congress endorses all government measures
and this proves that the entire America is responsible for the
atrocities perpetrated against Muslims. The entire America, because
they elect the Congress.

 

I ask the American people to force their government to give up
anti-Muslim policies. The American people had risen against their
government's war in Vietnam. They must do the same today. The American
people should stop the massacre of Muslims by their government. 


HM: Can it be said that you are against the American government, not
the American people ? 


OSB: Yes! We are carrying on the mission of our Prophet, Muhammad
(peace be upon him). The mission is to spread the word of God, not to
indulge massacring people. We ourselves are the target of killings,
destruction and atrocities. We are only defending ourselves. This is
defensive Jihad. We want to defend our people and our land. That is
why I say that if we don't get security, the Americans, too would not
get security. 


This is a simple formula that even an American child can understand.
This is the formula of live and let live. 


HM: The head of Egypt's Jamia Al-Azhar has issued a fatwa (edict)
against you, saying that the views and beliefs of Osama bin Laden have
nothing to do with Islam. What do you have to say about that ? 


OSB: The fatwa of any official Aalim has no value for me. History is
full of such Ulema who justify Riba, who justify the occupation of
Palestine by the Jews, who justify the presence of American troops
around Harmain Sharifain. These people support the infidels for their
personal gain.The true Ulema support the Jihad against America. Tell
me if Indian forces invaded Pakistan what would you do? The Israeli
forces occupy our land and the American troops are on our territory.
We have no other option but to launch Jihad. 


HM: Some Western media claim that you are trying to acquire chemical
and nuclear weapons. How much truth is there in such reports? 


OSB: I heard the speech of American President Bush yesterday (Oct 7).
He was scaring the European countries that Osama wanted to attack with
weapons of mass destruction. I wish to declare that if America used
chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with
chemical and nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent. 


HM: Where did you get these weapons from ? 


OSB: Go to the next question.

 

HM: Demonstrations are being held in many European countries against
American attacks on Afghanistan. Thousands of the protesters were
non-Muslims. What is your opinion about those non-Muslim protesters ? 


OSB: There are many innocent and good-hearted people in the West.
American media instigates them against Muslims. However, some
good-hearted people are protesting against American attacks because
human nature abhors injustice. 


The Muslims were massacred under the UN patronage in Bosnia. I am ware
that some officers of the State Department had resigned in protest.
Many years ago the US ambassador in Egypt had resigned in protest
against the policies of President Jimmy Carter. Nice and civilized are
everywhere. The Jewish lobby has taken America and the West hostage. 


HM: Some people say that war is no solution to any issue. Do you think
that some political formula could be found to stop the present war ? 


OSB: You should put this question to those who have started this war.
We are only defending ourselves.

 

HM: If America got out of Saudi Arabia and the Al-Aqsa mosque was
liberated, would you then present yourself for trial in some Muslim
country ?

 

OSB: Only Afghanistan is an Islamic country. Pakistan follows the
English law. I don't consider Saudi Arabia an Islamic country. If the
Americans have charges against me, we too have a charge sheet against
them. 


HM: Pakistan government decided to cooperate with America after Sept
11, which you don't consider right. What do you think Pakistan should
have done but to cooperate with America ?

 

OSB: The government of Pakistan should have the wishes of the people
in view. It should not have surrendered to the unjustified demands of
America. America does not have solid proof against us. It just has
some surmises. It is unjust to start bombing on the basis of those
surmises. 


HM: Had America decided to attack Pakistan with the help of India and
Israel, what would have we done ?

 

OSB: What has America achieved by attacking Afghanistan ? We will not
leave the Pakistani people and the Pakistani territory at anybody's
mercy

. 

We will defend Pakistan. But we have been disappointed by Gen Pervez
Musharraf. He says that the majority is with him. I say the majority
is against him. 


Bush has used the word crusade. This is a crusade declared by Bush. It
is no wisdom to barter off blood of Afghan brethren to improve
Pakistan's economy. He will be punished by the Pakistani people and
Allah. 

Right now a great war of Islamic history is being fought in
Afghanistan. All the big powers are united against Muslims. It is '
sawab ' to participate in this war. 


HM: A French newspaper has claimed that you had kidney problem and had
secretly gone to Dubai for treatment last year. Is that correct ? 


OSB: My kidneys are all right. I did not go to Dubai last year. One
British newspaper has published an imaginary interview with Islamabad
dateline with one of my sons who lives in Saudi Arabia. All this is
false.

 

HM: Is it correct that a daughter of Mulla Omar is your wife or your
daughter is Mulla Omar's wife ?

 

OSB: (Laughs). All my wives are Arabs ( and all my daughters are
married to Arab Mujahideen). I have spiritual relationship with Mulla
Omar. He is a great and brave Muslim of this age. He does not fear
anyone but Allah. He is not under any personal relationship or
obligation to me. He is only discharging his religious duty. I, too,
have not chosen this life out of any personal consideration. 



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