Was Wali excluded?
Jon Ford
jonmfordster@hotmail.com
Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:07:21 -0800
I remember Wali took himself off the list temporarily, then Mike refused to
let him back on, then he was allowed, even encouraged to get back on but
Wali had decided it was time to move on to work more with the Green
movement, making his absence permanent. Before that, I remember Mike raving
a lot about how we should throw Wali off, because he had "spoofed" and
"flamed" Mike; in fact, Wali had even accused Mike of threatening him with
bodily harm (true or not I do not know-- but I remember the exchange
clearly). Wali, who, although a very erudite and funny guy, and an ally of
mine in early days of our list, was in fact about the most difficult member
we have ever had, and putting him on probation for "spoofing" (sending out
fake emails with other people's names on them) would have been appropriate.
But if we want to hear from the source on this bit of local history, why not
call Wali up? I think he still lives around Austin-- some of you probably
have his telephone or email address.Otherwise, you all are relying on rumor,
fading memories, etc.
Jon
>From: "tary owens" <reddrum@realtime.net>
>To: <dmcqklaatu@netscape.net>, "\"Wayne Johnson\"" <cadaobh2@brgnet.com>,
>"\"telebob x\"" <telebob98@hotmail.com>, <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
>Subject: Re: RE: Re-Laird Redux
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:44:38 -0600
>
>Dave, Great to read your missive. To my knowledge Wali has not been
>excluded, or I would be complaining loudly. I believe Wali, for his own
>reasons asked to get off the bus........Love, Tary.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <dmcqklaatu@netscape.net>
>To: "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh2@brgnet.com>; "telebob x"
><telebob98@hotmail.com>; <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
>Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:30 AM
>Subject: RE: RE: Re-Laird Redux
>
>
> > I don't know Don Laird from a hole in the ground, nor he me. He sez he
>was around the Ghetto in the 60's. So was I, but probably 90 percent of
>the
>people on this list couldn't place my name or face. My connection is
>largely pre-ghetto, Beaumont and Port Arthur. By Ghetto daze I had small
>children and had to make a living so didn't have a lot of time to hang out.
>But the sense of community I had there has endured with me and remains
>special as does the connection with Ghettoites who relocated here to
>California. I like reading all the opinions posted here, whether or not I
>agree with them. It can be a bit trying when they are incredibly long, as
>with Jaxon's war with the Chronicle. But I read every word and got if not a
>better understanding at least another angle on Jaxon's work from it. And I
>felt a connection with a city I don't know from Stephanie's posts from New
>York. This is a community I value, so it's painful to ask to be
>de-listed--until the Don I don't know is listed again. If his posts are
>not
>worthy, mine aren't either. At least he still lives in Austin. Anyway, why
>would I want to be on a list which won't accept Wali? DMcQ
> >
> >
> > "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh2@brgnet.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I think Bob and I share something of a common ground on the issue of
>the
> > >"don't know when to stop" Mr. Laird and the "stop me before I become
>pompous
> > >again" Mr. Ford.
> > >It is not that the Ghetto list shouldn 't provide a forum for all
>opinions,
> > >no matter how looney. It should. Consider the vital role the Ghetto
>and
> > >Ranger provided in providing Austin of the Sixties with a lot of its
> > >intellectual flavor, content and "if it smells like a dead hog, it IS a
>dead
> > >hog, honey" style. Without the creative and utterly mad capitalism of
>the
> > >Moriaritys and Sheltons of the world...read: Austin...would there have
>been
> > >a Rip Off Press? You can't always predict what will happen. (Well,
> > >actually you can. Note that Prez Bush will stiff the elderly and the
>poor
> > >this coming (mild) winter for fuel oil relief.)
> > >
> > >But providing a forum isn't an exercise in Free Speech any more than
> > >shouting Fire in a theater is. Yes, you can do it, but there are bad
> > >consequences and you should exercise some restraint when exercising
>your
> > >freedom. Likewise, I argue, people posting to this list should NOT
>make
> > >narrow and prejudicial assumptions about what motivates other members
>of
>the
> > >list. There has always been (for the couple of years or so I have been
>on
> > >the list) a fair amount of sarcasm and heavy handed with. I made a
>TERRIBLE
> > >mistake once regarding Bob Simmons and I feel regret for what I said to
>this
> > >moment. So one has to read carefully sometimes before pushing the
>"launch
> > >rant" button on the computer. I am guilty of this as well...as I am
>sure
> > >some have noticed but been polite enough not to rub my (virtual) nose
>in.
> > >This is, as said so well elsewhere, a pretty sophisticated group which,
> > >individually and as a group, been through some pretty "interesting"
>times
> > >and been able to maintain it (relative) sanity. Moriarty has suffered
>a
> > >terrible loss but I don't think he would advocate killing everyone who
> > >disagrees with him. We need to be patient.
> > >
> > >Having said THAT. I, personally, have run entirely out of patience
>with
> > >some on this list. Tired of pomposity, whining "I am more Liberal than
> > >Thous" (Jeez, I had enough of that from Berkeley all those years),
>tired
>of
> > >poorly reasoned arguments, abstruse quotations, lack of data/evidence,
>lack
> > >of rhetorical style and lack of anything better to do than post 50
>thousand
> > >words to the list. The DEL button is close at hand and Outlook has
>lots
>of
> > >ways of diverting unwanted email.
> > >
> > >Enuf.
> > >
> > >Wayne
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
> > >[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]On Behalf Of telebob x
> > >Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 1:55 AM
> > >To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > >Subject: Re: Re-Laird
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mike...
> > >
> > >I was afraid de-listing Don would stir up a hornet's nest, so don't use
>my
> > >ennui with the latest content as a reason to bar him. Like I said, I
>don't
> > >care if he stays or goes. I just want to not allow myself to get
>stirred
>up
> > >by the latest lock-step rad-think crap that appears in here so
> > >often....never mind that I contribute to the crap element often enough.
> > >
> > >For me the weird thing is being called a flag waver. I do support the
>US,
> > >though I hardly support many of the policies of the present
>administration,
> > >but that stance seems to be too complex for some in here. I always
>liked
> > >that line about .... "the sparks of conflict that yield a light wherein
>the
> > >truth can be seen."
> > >
> > >So if I have to vote, I will vote for allowing him all the rights in
>the
> > >world to stay and be ignored (by me at least). Whatever perverse
>pleasure
>it
> > >might give me to see him de-listed, I think it is a bad idea...even if
>most
> > >of us never met the guy and don't have a clue who he is.
> > >
> > >(In fact, after the present argument blows over, we could later de-list
>him
> > >for being an auslander...just so people don't think he is being ousted
> > >solely for expressing his "ideas" and "facts".)
> > >
> > >Gee I wish Walli was still on the list.
> > >
> > >Ciao and shalom,
> > >
> > >Tele
> > >
> > >-Brought to you by Kundalini Brothers Chakra decongestant. Look for
>the
> > >snake on the box!-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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